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#2001713 - 09/20/11 12:05 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: Orneryolfart357]
Orneryolfart357 Offline
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Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 9053
Loc: Nevada
Leg holds mean nothing. Its all about the kill.
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#2001750 - 09/20/11 01:39 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: Orneryolfart357]
Dead Down Wind Offline
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Registered: 03/14/11
Posts: 2639
Loc: Lakewood, Co.
I love the posts that start out - Nothing personal but?!!!

A person conversing with/towards a person would be "personal" or am i missing something?


I think i read a disclaimer at the beginning of the video for the weak of heart, children and all bedwetters should use viewing discretion prior to watching the video.

Tony does give fair warning and you watched it anyway!!

I dont remember Tony stating the video was 6 month old puppies frolicking in a bed of roses with a sweet little coyote enjoying and ice cold beer.

They were pups in training, yes training!!!

Good Job Tony!!!
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#2001769 - 09/20/11 03:22 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: Dead Down Wind]
Boeydafunk Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 06/28/07
Posts: 562
Loc: Henderson NV
I dont post here that often but check on here everyday and have been a member for a few years. Im of the opinion that Tony had a video that he wanted to share. He did say that the video could be graffic and then shared the video. Good for him. Next, who the [beeep] are you to say what he should or should not share. If you dont like it dont watch it and dont talk about it. Thanks for bringing nothing but a bad attitude to the thread.

Keep it up TT. Ill keep watching them!

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#2001770 - 09/20/11 03:26 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: Boeydafunk]
Boeydafunk Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 06/28/07
Posts: 562
Loc: Henderson NV
Forgot so state one more thing. Antis are antis. Tony cant hurt the image of any dog men for the antis, as they all already hate us. As for the general public, im sure their not trolling around looking for a video of a trapped coyote anyway!

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#2001777 - 09/20/11 04:42 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: Boeydafunk]
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 18681
Loc: Lovington, NM
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Keep it up TT. Ill keep watching them!


Thanks, but I believe I am done posting in the Hounds Forum for a while. I've heard more whining here on just about every post I've made or has been made about me. Where I grew up, we sat around the campfire, listening to the old men tell stories, while we listened to the foxhounds on some good races. Not once, in all those years, did one of them talk smack about each other. Talking smack about a man or, more importantly, his dogs would have gotten one's block knocked off. Guess it's easier sit behind the safety of a keyboard and take shots. That's probably why this is the deadest forum on the whole website. Don't look for me to be adding activity here.

Tony
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#2001797 - 09/20/11 07:49 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: TonyTebbe]
ARCOREY Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 4839
Loc: USA
I bet decoy dogs and recovery dogs are hard to train with a Flambeau decoy of a coyote smirk

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#2001818 - 09/20/11 08:21 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: ARCOREY]
Hidenseekpro Offline
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Registered: 12/07/09
Posts: 870
Loc: NM, USA
Foxy, nothing personal but,

This is taken directly from the NMDGF proclamation, the synopsis of New Mexico hunting regs:

"Furbearers may be taken with dogs, firearms, bows and arrows and traps and snares. Calls, including mechanically or electrically recorded calling devices, are legal in hunting protected furbearers. Dogs may be used to take protected furbearers only during open trapping season..."

Foxy, I know you're only 20 or so, but what that passage above means is that you can use the dogs, just like a gun, to kill a furbearer. That's how dogs do it. You don't issue them all little guns to kill the coyote. They grab it with their mouths and shake and/or crush various parts of it until it's dead. Young dogs do well with a bit of an advantage, like the leg hold, to help get the idea. They also typically work in groups, just like coyotes do.

Your reaction to a perfectly legal means of take is precisely why most of the guys in this forum, and others pertaining to hunting with dogs, are so secretive and the motivation behind the other post pleading for the mods. to pull the entire thread. I had a lot more to say, but I'll leave it at that

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#2001827 - 09/20/11 08:35 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: TonyTebbe]
knockemdown Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
You guys either get it, or you don't. It's not about legality.

Find me another dog hunting site ANYWHERE on the Internet that allows this type of footage to be publilcly viewable.
Simple fact is, there aren't any...and for very good reasons. If you can't figure them out, contact the site owners & ask them why graphic vids are not condoned.

It's not about gettin' soft, or being a pansy. It's about keeping the 'wet work' that we all know happens out of the spotlight. This is the world we live in, and as dogmen, we have to act in our own best interests of self preservation! I didn't make it that way, I'm just tellin' ya how it is. No need to make it any easier for the bunnyhuggers who will twist this stuff against us. If you can't see that as truth, then you are misinformed, at best. And at worst, an outright idiot...

If the dogs were already sold, then email the vids to the new owners. I'm sure they'll be pleased. Killing a coyote has nothing to do with 'decoying' anyway, but that's neither here nor there. And killing a 20lb. desert coyote in a trap ain't gonna help much with the 50 lb. brutes a dog may encounter in this neck o' the woods. That prized 'grit' will get you a stack of vet bills, or worse, a dead dog. But that's getting sidetracked again & has nothing to do with actually 'decoying' coyotes...

On a public forum, there is a fine line between showing 'grit' and going beyond the context of good judgement. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can put 2+2 together & figure what all happened without the video blow by blow, from soup to nuts. A little woolin' after the fact is fine, we all can deduce the rest...

Don't get me wrong, I've seen in person WAAY worse, so this isn't about going soft. It's about doing right by other dogmen who don't need the kind of attention this crap draws.

So turn your nose at me, flip me off & cheer the pups on all ya want, but there is NOTHING good that can come from showing this footage on a public forum. Fact is, I cheer for plenty of dogs where it is appropriate to do so. Heck, I cheer for my own pup in real life! But I ain't about to share the nitty gritty viddy of it on a public forum! Rather, I think it's best for EVERYONE to leave that in the field where these things happen. No sense in glorifying it to the point of members rejoicing for more...

That ain't right on a public forum.

And if I am the one who is waaay off base here, then please let me know. For those who'd like to see more of these videos, please explain WHAT GOOD is to come of sharing them on a public forum?






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#2001828 - 09/20/11 08:39 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: TonyTebbe]
knockemdown Offline
suburban redneck

Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: TonyTebbe
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Keep it up TT. Ill keep watching them!


Thanks, but I believe I am done posting in the Hounds Forum for a while. I've heard more whining here on just about every post I've made or has been made about me. Where I grew up, we sat around the campfire, listening to the old men tell stories, while we listened to the foxhounds on some good races. Not once, in all those years, did one of them talk smack about each other. Talking smack about a man or, more importantly, his dogs would have gotten one's block knocked off. Guess it's easier sit behind the safety of a keyboard and take shots. That's probably why this is the deadest forum on the whole website. Don't look for me to be adding activity here.

Tony


Tony, with all due respect. Where I grew up, dogmen kept the business of their dogs & themselves OUT OF THE PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT.

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#2001853 - 09/20/11 09:44 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: knockemdown]
getfoxy Offline
PM senior

Registered: 07/06/05
Posts: 9632
Loc: USA
I never said it wasnt LEGAL, I just dont agree with it. I have dogs, I have had Walker Hounds, Black and Tans, had a Plott. right now I have a mountain Cur, I was raised with the mindset of killing the animal clean and quickly There was no reason whatsoever that coyote needed to go through all of that....IDC about keeping it out of the spotlight or not...that was rediculous
Tony can take it personal if he wishes, fine by be, Its called an opinion.

And the discalimer thing? I cant post a disclaimer of a picture filled with blood and guts so why is it ok to post a disclaimer of this? Disclaimer means nothing.

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#2001861 - 09/20/11 10:11 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: knockemdown]
altabonita Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 142
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: knockemdown
Tony, I'll be the one to say it, cuz I KNOW that many others are thinking it. So here goes...




Maybe you should have said it in a PM.

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#2001869 - 09/20/11 10:25 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: altabonita]
pahntr760 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 05/06/09
Posts: 12125
Loc: Here and there
Here is a good question for you all. Who amount us would tie the leg of one of our dogs off and let 3 coyotes have at it!??!

I think it is one thing to have "recovery" dogs. This, to me, means to help find a wounded or poorly hit coyote. Not to kill a tied up coyote with 3 dogs.

This is just MY OPINION. Nothing more or less! Everyone is entitled to their own. And this is a public forum that accepts every aspect of said opinions.
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#2001884 - 09/20/11 10:49 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: Jesse lackey]
yotesmokerkennels Offline
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Registered: 08/16/11
Posts: 3
Loc: New York
Awesome vid dogs are super gritty

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#2001894 - 09/20/11 11:21 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: knockemdown]
orrbull48 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 1233
Loc: Amarillo Texas
[quote=knockemdown]
Find me another dog hunting site ANYWHERE on the Internet that allows this type of footage to be publilcly viewable.
Simple fact is, there aren't any...and for very good reasons. If you can't figure them out, contact the site owners & ask them why graphic vids are not condoned.


i see videos all the time on TV of dogs on hogs, how is this any different?
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#2001914 - 09/20/11 11:52 AM Re: Gunner/Mattie pups training (video stills) [Re: orrbull48]
Workman Offline
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Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 1592
Loc: Manti, UT
Lots of sensitive folks out there. I think the line, "You either get it or you don't" fits pretty well here. Dog work isn't for everyone.
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