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#1917029 - 05/12/11 08:17 AM Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG
kel Offline
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Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 819
Loc: Nebraska
Took the new Savage 93 BRJ .22 Magnum to the “range” over the last month. My range as I call it is an area along the trees in the field with stakes at the measured 100 and 200 yard marks with a semi-permanent wooden target holder”. For a rest I used a gutted out table saw stand. Low buck set up for sure but it does the job for me. I had the use of a set of bargain shooting bags but really struggled with them thru probably half of my ammunition. I still ended up supporting the forearm of the gun with my hand most times while trying to figure it out. Scope was set on 9X. I guess I’ll need to invest in a decent rest one of these days. Looked at the Caldwell “Rock” and like it but not ready to shell out the money just yet. I even watched a couple of videos on shooting from bags but it didn’t seem to help. A lot of times I was able to get a better group holding the gun which hurt my confidence in using the bags as I know they should do better than I’m capable of. I think I may be just too impatient to adjust the bags all of the time. It’s quicker to muscle the crosshair onto the target but there goes the consistency part.

The gun was topped with a Redfield Revolution 3x9x40 with the accu-range reticle. I’m a big fan of the Redfields but the accu-range reticle for me is something I won’t repeat again. I like to shoot as much as I can and the reticle is just a little thicker and much more cluttered than a regular plex so when it comes to shooting paper it’s not ideal. The crosshair just about covered up my orange dots on the targets to where I really couldn’t be sure of the same aim point although I was able to get close. This scope started out on my 22-250 (dealer recommended) but was changed to the magnum and will be demoted to the Mini-14 in the future as funds allow.

Thoughts on the gun. Weight is 7 pounds without scope. Might be a bit heavy for walking around hunting but I don’t do a lot of that. I bought this for 60 yard shots at night as that’s about the distance I can positively ID at night with my current light setup. This is my first accu-trigger gun and the trigger is nice, (I left it at the same weight it came from the factory with) but my non accu-trigger Savage Edge with the 10 minute trigger job is every bit the equal imo. The laminate stock fits well, and has no flex which I can see. The barrel is 21” with a spiral fluting. It comes with one 5 round magazine that is common with the Savage model 93 line for .22 mag or .17HMR. Extra mags are around $18 ouch! There are no open sights, but the gun comes with installed mounts. My front mount was loose when I brought it home, or became loose soon after I began shooting. Like a dummy I didn’t check it before I mounted the scope. After stringing several groups horizontally I made the discovery. Cost before taxes was $409

When my gun shop first told me they had some 93 BRJ models coming in I looked on the computer to get an idea of what they were and what about the accuracy. Very little info about accuracy out there so I decided to shoot some different ammo and get the information to where somebody else might be able to use it. One of the gun stores I checked for ammo had a lot of new Savages from the economical to the higher end and the owner asked me what a Savage BRJ was. Guess either he doesn’t know the product lines very well or indeed it’s not that popular of a gun.

All groups were shot from 100 yards. Scope on 9X.

I did not adjust the scope for each type of ammo, just made small changes to keep the shots in the right area. The Dynapoint’s and Fed 50gr had the most drop as expected. Almost 4 1/2 “ below the 30gr bullets.

Ammo selection was:

Remington 40gr PSP
Remington 40gr JHP
Remington 33gr Premiere
Hornady 30gr Vmax
Federal 50gr JHP
Winchester Supreme 34gr JHP
Winchester 40gr JHP
Winchester 45gr Dynapoint
Fiochhi 40gr JSP
CCI MaxiMag 30gr HP+V
CCI MaxiMag 40gr JHP
CCI MaxiMag 40gr TMJ
CCI MaxiMag 30gr JHP TNT
Armscor Precision 40gr JHP

If I was consistently shooting near 1” groups I would quit on a particular type of ammo as I’m not sure my scope/eyes/lack of using the shooting bags the correct way would really do much better. Other ammo that shot larger than that I would shoot until the box was empty or I had seen the same size group enough to know that was as good as it was going to get. This was all of the ammo I could get locally so if one of your favorites didn’t make the list that is why.

Of note, I had 5 ftf’s of all the rounds fired. 1 with the Winchester Supremes, 1 with the Winchester Dynapoints, and 3 with the Fiochhi’s. I gave the rest of the Fiochhi’s to my Brother-in-law who was using a Marlin 883 and he had the first 5 not fire and quit with them after that. I also gave him all of the leftovers from each box so he’s been rather happy. Either a bad batch or it just requires a very heavy firing pin. 8 ftf’s in less than a box fired on the Fiochhi’s is not confidence inspiring for a varmint round, or any round for that matter. All appeared to have good case strikes.


Now on to the groups:

Remington 40gr PSP: Had about 20 left over from my previous .22 mag so I had limited groups. I would say that an inch and a quarter was more the norm, but it did shoot less when I did my part.

Remington 40gr JHP: Yes, I did get an inch group, but I would consider this more along the lines of 1 ¼” to 1 ½” group ammo in this gun. Normally had 3 grouped really tight with 2 shots opening the group up.

Remington 33gr Premiere Accu-tip: Most expensive of the bunch by about $4. Shot good and consistent, but so did others that cost less.

Hornady 30gr Vmax: These and the CCI’s were the easiest to shoot 1 inch groups with. Hard to fault them for the way they shoot but think for a coyote even at my planned maximum 60 yard distance would be pushing it.

Federal 50gr JHP: I did manage a .993 group but did not include it as this round in my gun was more an 1 ¼ to 1 ½. Was normally the same 3 shots piled close and then 2 off in another zip code. I felt like I was being consistent, and expected to get up to the target and find one large hole but it never turned out that way. This is the round I wanted to use for night hunting but now I’m going to have to reevaluate.

Winchester Supreme 34gr JHP: My biggest surprise of the ammo. Reviews I read praised their accuracy. My gun did not like them at all. I’m not sure if this was the best group as I did not pay much attention to targets when they looked like this but I ran out of ammo and had to use what targets I did manage to save. If I did have a better group it wasn’t by much. 1 FTF and a cost of $13.95 Was tempted to buy another box from a different store to see if it was a fluke but decided to save my money. Shooting like this will make you start to question if your scope mounts have come loose again.

Winchester 40gr JHP: Winchester didn’t impress me much in my tests but I would shoot these if I had to. These were the only Winchester’s that functioned 100% and provided good accuracy although they cost the same as many of the better performing rounds.

Winchester 45gr Dynapoint: These and the Fiochhi’s were the cheapest of the bunch, $7.95. For low cost plinking they would hold a huge advantage over the Fiochhi’s as they had 1 FTF versus the problems with the Fiochhi’s.

Fiochhi 40gr JSP: What else can you say about these? Pretty much the same accuracy as the 45gr Dynapoints, but when you pull the trigger will you hear a boom?













Edited by kel (05/12/11 08:28 AM)

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#1917030 - 05/12/11 08:20 AM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: kel]
kel Offline
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Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 819
Loc: Nebraska
CCI MaxiMag 30gr HP+V: I flirted with multiple 1 hole groups but always seemed to get tripped up somewhere by the end of 5 shots. Still able to get an inch or under even with 1 going astray.

CCI MaxiMag 40gr JHP: Same with these. Maybe a bit more zoom on the scope and a decent rest.

CCI MaxiMag 40gr TMJ: Shot 3 groups of these and quit.

CCI MaxiMag 30gr JHP TNT: I’m no expert but these might be the best beaver/pond critter round as far as coming apart and not ricocheting off the water and into the next county. The bullet on this thing reminds me of a coffee cup with the huge opening. No wonder they call it TNT. Reviews on the web say it explodes rather quickly with little penetration so I’m not sure what you use them for.

Armscor Precision 40gr JHP: Looks like it had some potential but I was getting bored shooting them for some reason. Shot half the box and gave it away. These were stocked by the hardware store when other ammo was hard to get during the “great shortage”.

In conclusion I did not shoot a .22 mag until 2 years ago and I’m 45. I think it may be my favorite gun at this point as being cheap to shoot, but still has a little bit of power for larger animals. The CCI’s were a pleasant surprise to me. I had purchased some CCI .22 long rifle ammo when the shortage was in full swing and I couldn’t buy any bulk ammo, didn’t think they performed any better than the much cheaper bulk ammo especially as they cost several times more. They did however shine in my test this time on the .22 mag and I am now a believer. The Hornady’s were the clear winner in my gun for overall consistency though. Hard not to shoot good with them.


Edited by kel (05/12/11 09:27 AM)

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#1917066 - 05/12/11 11:35 AM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: kel]
DAB Offline
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Registered: 05/10/09
Posts: 1697
Loc: Sandy Oregon
What the heck are you complaining about? w00t

If that is the accuracy you are getting with out a GOOD SOLID rest you should be as happy as a clam.

If you know how to use sand bags to shoot they are almost as good as using the high dollar rest's. My $0.02 worth.

DAB

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#1917125 - 05/12/11 01:41 PM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: DAB]
kel Offline
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Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 819
Loc: Nebraska
The thing is, I don't even know what a .22 mag should shoot. I would be more than happy with some of those groups from my 22-250. If I was to do it again I would have to get one of the lead sleds and a higher power scope and keep all of the targets to do an average. I just read that you should shoot different ammo to see what the gun likes so that's how it got started. Actually it was enjoyable but a tad expensive until the gnats got thick last week. When you're trying to hold still they will drive you nuts.

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#1917137 - 05/12/11 02:20 PM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: kel]
mtbadger Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 507
Loc: Montana
Thanks for the VERY informative post Kel. I understand that every gun will tell you what it likes. The info on the Fiocchi was great....
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#1917139 - 05/12/11 02:23 PM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: kel]
OldTurtle Offline
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Registered: 12/20/05
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With a solid bench, a lead sled, and shooting the same ammos, you might be really surprised at the potential of that rifle..

It takes a lot of "perfect" practice to get tiny groups shooting basically 'free hand' and you really can't judge either the rifle or ammo without a base of solid stability...

For years, my best rest was a military ammo can with a shot bag filled with sand for a front rest,



and I thought I was doing pretty well until I acquired a lead sled and tied my rifle down to it for testing loads/ammo...



Then I learned the value in real stability...
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#1917153 - 05/12/11 02:47 PM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: kel]
yotesniper13 Offline
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Registered: 03/28/11
Posts: 298
Loc: Nebraska
I have also shot a lot of 22 mag ammo through my remmy 597 and cci maxi mag 30gr tnt's group much better than all others tried. The v max a close second.
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#1917154 - 05/12/11 02:47 PM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: OldTurtle]
kel Offline
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Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 819
Loc: Nebraska
I really developed a respect for just how hard it is to shoot a 5 shot group. I'm a hunter not a competition shooter so I've always been concerned with the first shot. I did all of my other shooting with 3 shot groups when sighting in a scope. For this test though I thought I'd go 5 shots to please the ones that say that's the only way to shoot a group. I don't know how many times I had a one hole group going only to see it ruined with the 4th or 5th shot. With my scope on 9X I could usually see a hit as long as it was in the white portion of the target, Some times I would be able to see that hole getting bigger and would think that I was shooting a 1 hole group until I walked up and there would be a stray shot over in the colored portion of the target! Or you could see a 1 hole group going and by the 4th or 5th shot I would be nervous to screw it up. It seemed my best shooting came with not taking too long to line up the next shot and just keeping some kind of routine going.

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#1917268 - 05/12/11 07:38 PM Re: Savage .22 Mag BRJ and 14 Boxes of Ammo LONG [Re: kel]
marco Offline
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Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 821
Loc: AR.
Let me tell you something! I am a 22 magnum NUT!! I just love the round, done all kinda of testing with the old magnum shot alot of rifles in 22 magnum, and that rifle you got is a great shooter! And I would not change a thing! And for best all around performance on varmints predators shoot the Winchester Super X 40gr. HP.

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