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#1832388 - 02/06/11 02:15 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: StrongBowman]
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Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 17
Loc: lost in Ontario, Canada
This is a newer action approx 3yrs old. I put a Timney in it 'cuz the factory trigger was awful. It's a short action that started out as a 243win. Now it's a 29" barrel from E.R.Shaw. The scope is a 3.5-10x44 Conquest with the Rapid-Z600 reticle. I have an Axiom stock on it now and really like it. Next will be a white tape job to hide it from the coyotes... blink


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#1832399 - 02/06/11 02:20 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: StrongBowman]
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Registered: 12/29/09
Posts: 111
Loc: ogallala ne
Let me say I am a huge 6mm/284 fan!!! Let me also tell you DO NOT get one built on the encore platform. I have tried twice and the extractor will not reliably work on the encore with the semi rebated rim of the 284 case. I struggled with my custom shop encore barrels for two years only to realize if you want relibility you have to load to 243 ballistics to get reliable extraction. These are just my personal findings and in no way am I any type of gun guru.

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#1832411 - 02/06/11 02:32 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: StrongBowman]
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If I was to build another wildcat(and I just might in the very near future) I would start out with a Stevens 200 rifle. They are a Savage action and barrel for around $300. If you bought a 243win you could just rechamber it to a 6mm/284 and probly still be under $500. Just an idea..... crazy
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#1832946 - 02/06/11 09:10 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: finstr]
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Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 121
Loc: NC Missouri
That is a thought and not a bad one at that on the Stevens. I have looked around to buy a beater or just an action and i was looking at over the $300 mark. I have seen a few Stevens at gun shows and stores. Didn't think they were too bad and i did notice the accu-trigger, some of the Stevens had with and some not. If I am going too make something custom so to speak i probably restock with Hogue or similiar with aluminum bedding partial or all of it. How much does your gun weigh w/o or w/scope? Assumed that you changed out the trigger. The one I bought and traded off was a dog. Nicest words i can say about it. I was really disappointed with after how decent my other Vanguard is.
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#1832952 - 02/06/11 09:13 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: StrongBowman]
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Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 121
Loc: NC Missouri
Ogallala thanks for the reply.
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#1832959 - 02/06/11 09:19 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: StrongBowman]
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Registered: 11/23/08
Posts: 210
Loc: Alabama/New Mexico/Ohio
FYI...If you have an Academy Sports in your area they have a price drop on Stevens rifles. They are $179.00. A buddy and I bought six at our Academy last week just for the actions. Might be worth a look.

Brian


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#1832978 - 02/06/11 09:34 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: finstr]
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Registered: 04/17/07
Posts: 72
Loc: USA
I have a 22-243 Midd, 26" rechambered Encore...supposed to be a 1-10 but I think it is more like 1-12 as I can't get anything over the length of a 60 gr VM to group. I shoot 60gr Horn SP's and VM's at <0.650" most of the time, but because of the flex in the frame I can't get much over 3900fs without lockups.

I'm doing a 220 Swift 1-8 and a 6mm-284 1-8, both for the heavy bullets 69-77 gr and 95-105-107 gr and because I have those Redding high dollar reloading dies to use up. Both ER Shaw 26" bbls...220 Swift for a Sav SA and the 6mm on an XP100 action. Barrels won't be here until early April...ratzzzz!

I've been shooting these three cartridges for well over 40 years, this will be my 4th Swift...2-3 barrels each for the other two...all with light bullets as fast as I could drive them...THIS time I planned on going with heavier bullets, lower velocities for much longer ranges. Actually the heavier bullets with higher BC's catchup and pass the smokers out around 350 yds and beyond and my barrels will last much longer this time around.

Most of the loads for the Swift and 6mm are just Hodgdons listings...75 AMAX with H4831, RL22 at ~3600fs and 105 AMAX with RL-22,25, Retumbo, 7828, MRP, H1000 whichever produces the best accuracy and velocity/pressure relationship. I load for accuracy, but accuracy and velocity come hand in hand. Take a look at Accuate Reloading cartridge section and you can easily see how one affects the other

Lots of good data out there for the 6mm-284 but you have to dig it out. 6mm-284 for a SA, 6mm-06 AI for an LA works for me.

I throat for the bullet base at the bottom of the neck to get maximum case volume. Helps with the velocity a bit...

People seem to not understand or forget about NET case capacity when talking about different cartridge/bullet combinations and their velocity numbers. Maybe the reason for all the variance and arguments.

If you want drop and PBR data you need to invest in QL or Load from a Disk, StrongBowman. Depending on online data isn't of much use...way to many variables and smoke.

You will never get the highest velocities from an Encore that you will from a bolt gun for the reasons I stated for my 22-243 Midd Encore so you might rethink you basic premis...and maybe rethink your PBR thoughts.

A PBR of 3" at 300 yds for a 60gr VM, 3950 fs MV, is 2" high at 100, zero at 300 yds and 3" low at 350 yds. OK as far as it goes, but you need to learn the drops or post them on a sticker stuck to your stock, out to whatever range you will be shooting, for the data to be of any use...there AIN'T no such thing a point and shoot and purple mist except with digital cameras. NOTHING is simple!!

Ogallala is right about the rebated rim as far as an OEM extractor is concerned...Just forget about the OEM extractor...you have to resort to the "screwdriver extractor tool" and a small notch cut in the barrel face...a 243 WSM (if you keep the pressures a bit lower)...or 6mm-06 AI...or one of the belted magnum cases...are much better for the Encore and much easier to deal with. Lotsa of ways to get the cat removed from his skin.

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#1833221 - 02/06/11 11:51 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: NFG]
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Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 121
Loc: NC Missouri
The "point and shoot" was a pun, as i posted on my 1st post; that is an impossibilty unless you have a lazer gun, I was hoping i would get some interesting and valuable feedback and i appreciate everyone keeping this post going.
With the Encores knew that they were not consistent. I have played with them for several years and enjoy loading and shooting some of the calibers that are offered in them, I expecially enjoy shooting the Contenders. All of the cartridges i own in the T/C's are rimmed except my 223 and get reasonable accuracy, nothing compared with my other VT bolt guns, but i was looking for something light to carry. I have called techs at T/C and asked them about certain calibers such as the WSM's and others. Answer: the cartridges i mentioned carried too high pressures to be safe. Hence the case seizing and difficulty removing from the chamber. I have a 7mm-08 in a 15" barrel and i have never had any problems with extractions or otherwise, but i am not pushing the pressures high as i would be on a Wildcat. I appreciate everyone being honest about the digging the cartridges out, that was what i was wanting to hear. I will be goin with a bolt its not to hard to figure out. I was wanting a repeater anyway for follow-ups.

Far as reliable ballastics online, have you tried the Hornady site? What i came up with was right on when i took my Rem 700 ADL Varmint 22-250 with 60 LD bullets to the range. My reloads chronyed 3650 fps and I zeroed it at 250 yds and the rises at 100 and 200 were consistent with approx. 1 1/2 inches at those ranges and 2 3/4 inches low at 300.

I have found info on several websites on loading data on the Wildcats that i have mentioned. Seirra and Hornady have a some in there newest manuals. Hodgdon and Accurate Reloading.com sites have some good data also. Also very impressed with the new Hodgdon Superformance data, if can do what it says. Far as the ads on Hornady new Superform ammo i like the stats. This sounds like a way to get some extra speed 100-250 Fps depending on the cartridge.



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#1833689 - 02/07/11 01:00 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: StrongBowman]
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Registered: 04/17/07
Posts: 72
Loc: USA
Not to belabor the point but T/C has barrels in 6mm-06, 6.5-284, 6.5 Rem Mag and several 25 cals that would fit your criteria, seems like, so the ejector problem may already be solved.

As far as using the WSM...this being a "wildcat" proposition and it being up to you to reload safely, all you have to do is keep the pressures down equal to the ratio between the belted mags already available and the slightly larger WSM case head which is only about 5% larger...keep the pressures 5% below 62KPSI for a 416 Rem/375 H&H or ~58-59KPSI and you will be all right.

The 6.5/350 RM case would be an excellent one for a 6mm-350RM and give you all the velocity you require, but at a cost of shorter barrel life and a large powder charge.

I'm getting 4200 fs with my small 20 Practical, 8208 and 32 gr bullets....just think what you could get with the over twice as large 350 RM case and 60 gr bullets.

All it takes is thinking outside the envelope...SAFELY... and money.

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#1833896 - 02/07/11 03:42 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: NFG]
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Registered: 02/24/10
Posts: 1573
Loc: 12 miles SE of Possom Trot
I just built a 6x284 pistol. Check with a bunch of gunsmiths out west and went with it.1/8 twist 15.5" barrel heres the final project. It is getting topped with a US Optics 3.2x17x44.



Edited by bfr4570 (02/07/11 03:43 PM)
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#1834029 - 02/07/11 05:17 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: bfr4570]
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Registered: 04/17/07
Posts: 72
Loc: USA
VERY NICE...beautiful stock and cool looking MB. Looks integral rather than add on.

I have an XP 7mm-08 15" Shilen bbl fibergalss stock and home made, quick dump MB. The MB sure makes a difference in recoil. 120 VM's do very well.

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#1834052 - 02/07/11 05:26 PM Re: Wildcat loads on coyotes, 22-243 Mid.,Ackleys,6mm-284,etc. [Re: NFG]
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Registered: 02/24/10
Posts: 1573
Loc: 12 miles SE of Possom Trot
Had a 7-08 sold it. Got a 243AI and a 338 LM improved. I think next one will be 7mm Dakota. Chuck Macitosh at Macs guns done it Great smith.
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