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#1789923 - 01/11/11 12:19 AM your thoughts on curs
ccinso Offline
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Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 233
Loc: oregon
hey guys: im fairly new to running my own dogs. Ive got a couple of jagd males, a walker female and a border collie male
that I run as a lurcher. I hunt coon and grays for the most part with a bob thrown in once in a while. Im pretty happy with my jagds but not sure about my walker yet. Been thinking about somthing different and considering curs. Im looking for something with medium nose and medium range and that has a voice at the tree because my jagds are pretty well silent unless they can see it, and maybe some smarts to boot.
I honestly dont know alot about curs, or types of curs and
was wondering if any of you guys had any suggestions. or thoughts as to wether a cur might be a good fit or maybe stick to hounds.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts

casey
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#1789951 - 01/11/11 12:40 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: ccinso]
Duane@ssu Offline
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I have some Cur crosses. I live in Eastern OR.
Your welcome to come over, and see my dogs.
They seem to get the job done. Duane
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#1789970 - 01/11/11 12:51 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Duane@ssu]
mtcurman Offline
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Registered: 08/24/09
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Loc: Montana
We've used curs for a long time on coons, and are starting the young pups on bobcats. They're doing real well. The ones I've hunted with have all been silent on track, which can be nice so you don't run everything out of the country.


Edited by mtcurman (01/11/11 08:34 PM)
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#1789979 - 01/11/11 12:56 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: mtcurman]
cowpastureplinker Offline
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Registered: 02/24/10
Posts: 119
Loc: N.E. OK
curs oughta fit the nose and range you're lookin for, just gotta get the right ones. there's some with really good noses, and some without. sounds like a trip to Duane's would be worthwhile.

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#1789992 - 01/11/11 01:05 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: cowpastureplinker]
Workman Offline
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Registered: 07/17/06
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Loc: Manti, UT
Casey, all of the curs I've seen were Kemmer stock from Striker lines, more or less. Most were medium nosed and some had better. All were open on track and tree and most had average grit for a mid sized dog. The things I liked most about them was their athleticism and handling/manners. They were all good dogs to be around and I can't remember any that were too hard headed. Good luck.
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#1790302 - 01/11/11 10:43 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Workman]
Tim7581 Offline
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Registered: 12/13/09
Posts: 1277
Loc: Indiana
I have never hunted with them, but a buddy of mine uses them. He is pleased with how they work. He said they are easy enough to get started and they dont range to far, that is his main reason for having them. Plus they are good at the home front.

I hunt Jagds myself, and I would say they are the most stubborn I have ever hunted with.

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#1790978 - 01/11/11 06:53 PM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Tim7581]
Chris_Brice Offline
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Registered: 01/03/06
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Loc: Iowa
Having a Jagd (hunted with a few others) and had both hounds and curs I'll say a cur can do anything above ground a hound or Jagd will do cept run a cold track. I've heard of curs that can run a cold track but never seen it and most strains aren't bred for it. I'll even go as far as to say that a cur will do most things above ground BETTER than a hound or Jagd. The average cur is smarter than the average hound and handles better.

But you have to watch out. With curs it seems they are an all or nothing sorta thing. There is not much in between, they either hunt very well or not at all from what I've seen. Make sure to see the parents hunt and do lot's of checking on it's background. They are definetly not all created equal.

I might also add that if I lived in the same state as Duane he'd have to build a room on to his house I'd be there so often. If ya get the chance, go see his dogs!

CB

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#1791003 - 01/11/11 07:05 PM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Chris_Brice]
yfzduner450 Offline
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Registered: 07/07/08
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Loc: West Jordan, Utah
I would agree, take Duane up on his offer!!! I guess i should let the cat outta the bag. I'm planning a 1 way trip to Duanes in 2 weeks!! He just doesn't know it yet. Haha!! I've got a pup outta Duane's Stock and she handles great and is a joy to be around.
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#1791172 - 01/11/11 08:25 PM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: yfzduner450]
ccinso Offline
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Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 233
Loc: oregon
Thanks for all your replies. I appreciate it, kinda sounds like a cur might be the ticket. It seems like hounds and even my jagds are kinda single minded dogs when it comes to hunting and Id like something like my collie that handles well enough I can keep it with me at work and when I get a chance hunt em. Id have to chain my dogs to every fence post or irrigation pipe I come to just to keep em around. heck id like to even try a cur in the workin corrals.

Duane: thanks for the offer. Id like to to take you up on it maybe later this winter when the roads get better so I could drive my wifes car(not so much fuel) out of curiosity what kind of curs or crosses are you runnin?

Tim: I know what you mean about head strong. But they sure
are fun little dogs, and nothing can keep up wth em in the berry vines.

so for Ive heard kemmer and striker bred, but what about
black mouth, mountain or leapards? theres probably a bunch
Ive never heard about. do you guys recomend one over another?

casey
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#1791448 - 01/11/11 10:17 PM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: ccinso]
cowpastureplinker Offline
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Registered: 02/24/10
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Loc: N.E. OK
Originally Posted By: ccinso


so for Ive heard kemmer and striker bred, but what about
black mouth, mountain or leapards? theres probably a bunch
Ive never heard about. do you guys recomend one over another?

casey


now you're opening a whole new can of worms! i've had cur dogs my whole life, and my family has had them for about 40 years. (mostly catahoula/leopard dogs) there is even a lot of discussion as to the merrits of, and difference between, the leopard cur, and the catahoula.(there are separate registries now) ours were never registered, we just called them "leopard dogs", and bred what worked for us.

catahoulas, BMC, and leopard curs, are generally used more for bay dogs on bigger, rougher game/stock, and tend to be grittier, but may not have as much nose as kemmers and mountain curs, which may have more "hunt" and nose, but may not be as gritty, and are used more often for tree dogs.

now before you guys flame me, i know there are lines of cats and BMC's with great noses and i'm sure there are kemmers and mountain curs that are gritty SOB's, but this has been my experience.

you just need to find the particular line of dogs that fits your needs, whichever breed it is.




Edited by cowpastureplinker (01/11/11 10:19 PM)

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#1791737 - 01/12/11 02:27 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: cowpastureplinker]
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Plink, just to "open the can bigger", I cross Catahoulla stud, on a Kemmer/Walker cross [beeep], Or a Mountain Cur [beeep]. I think you have seen pics and/or video of pups.
How bout that for trying to build a good line of dogs?
Cinso, whenever you wanna come play, just let me know, yotes are gonna get real "wired" for the decoy dogs, by mid Feb. I have some out of state hunting to do, so be sure to get in touch with me, and let me know when works for ya.
Jeremy, you can stay as long as you like, but you gotta, ride out, or work afoot, in the corrals. No "free pass" for man or beast on this outfit.
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#1791977 - 01/12/11 09:57 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Duane@ssu]
cowpastureplinker Offline
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Registered: 02/24/10
Posts: 119
Loc: N.E. OK
Duane, great minds think alike. grin i basically have 2 lines of cat x dogs that i have been crossing on each other. i line is cat with a little ridgeback, hound, and BMC. the other is cat and mountain cur. both lines are probably 3/4-7/8 cat by now.

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#1793165 - 01/12/11 09:40 PM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: cowpastureplinker]
Devin69 Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1467
Loc: Craig Colorado
Wow, I am amazed. All this good advice and not one person has asked what you are going to use the dog on.....
Tell us what you are going to use it on and maybe we could get you some BETTER advice.
There are certin dogs bred to do different jobs, even within the cur breeds.
When you ask a blank question like you have done and everyone chimes in with a certain breed.....BEWARE. lol
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#1793455 - 01/13/11 12:21 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Devin69]
ccinso Offline
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Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 233
Loc: oregon
Devin:
not trying to stir anything but in my OP I did say that I hunt coons, fox and bobcat when I stumble across one. even
though, after tonight im starting to rethink about fox, and focus on coon
If you have any recomendations or advice Id love to hear it.
like I said I dont know much about curs so Im all ears.

thanks
casey


Edited by ccinso (01/13/11 12:23 AM)
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#1793467 - 01/13/11 12:35 AM Re: your thoughts on curs [Re: Devin69]
cowpastureplinker Offline
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Registered: 02/24/10
Posts: 119
Loc: N.E. OK
Originally Posted By: Devin69
Wow, I am amazed. All this good advice and not one person has asked what you are going to use the dog on.....
Tell us what you are going to use it on and maybe we could get you some BETTER advice.
There are certin dogs bred to do different jobs, even within the cur breeds.
When you ask a blank question like you have done and everyone chimes in with a certain breed.....BEWARE. lol


?????

from the OP."....fairly new.....I hunt coons and grays..... bob thrown in once in a while.....medium nose and medium range.....voice at the tree.....maybe some smarts.....any of you guys have any suggestions.....

seemed pretty straight forward to me. and i didnt see one recommendation of a specific breed, just everyone's personal experiences with what they had, and an invitation to go watch some work in person.



Edited by cowpastureplinker (01/13/11 02:33 AM)

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