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#176353 - 03/13/03 03:34 PM not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
I AM the foxpro Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 101
Loc: Pike co. pennsylvania
ok, ive NEVER trapped in my life at all, i generally want to trap for foxes and coyotes. and bobcats at my house in the adirondacks. where can i get traps? what kind of traps should i get? how big? what kind of bait? and the most important is kinda stupid but i have to know. how do you dispatch the animal? i understand you gotta shoot it but do you walk up to it and put one in thehead or what?

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#176354 - 03/13/03 07:36 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
BeaverWeb Offline
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Registered: 12/19/02
Posts: 488
Loc: misplaced Texan in arkansas
Foxpro -- go to www.sullivansline.com. this guy sells traps and has a few forums. also www.trapperman.com. i can not stress enough on getting some books like bernie Barringers Farmland trapping, it covers a lot of animals in one book and he makes sense. get some books before you buy traps. read Russ Carman, Charles Dobbins, Hal Sullivan, Tom Miranda, for just a few. hope this helps.

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#176355 - 03/14/03 04:08 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
cat whacker Offline
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Registered: 03/03/03
Posts: 188
Loc: Bronte,Texas
Foxpro I would suggest you think about buying or renting a video called cannines 2ooo by Hal Sullivan. It costs about 29.00 from any trapping supply house but it will pay for itself in spades. It has a super section on how to adjust and modify traps like professional trappers do, discusses sizes of traps and shows actual construction of sets and set placement. Where to position traps at your sets for different animals. It will save you 10 years of trying to learn on your own. Once you can catch a fox you can catch any animal out there. The basics of land trappinp are the same such as set construction, bedding your trap, and actual placement of traps. Books are good but a picture is worth a thousand words. Good luck and keep your skinning knife sharp.

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#176356 - 03/14/03 04:49 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
FOXTRAPPER Offline
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Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 306
Loc: Pennsylvaina USA
for used traps you can try going to www.usedtraps.com

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#176357 - 03/14/03 06:49 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
beavdha Offline
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Registered: 12/13/02
Posts: 65
Loc: Central Ohio
Good advice given so far - I would like to add a couple more videos that you might want to watch - Leggett's Trapping fox by the thousands - This is a great video that shows location - location - location. Then there are the videos by J.C.Conners - any of them are good - I have the flat sets - alot of information and good blending techniques. You can never stop learning - these videos will help your learning curve alot! Good luck!

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#176358 - 04/01/03 07:02 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Archerlee Offline
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 7
Loc: West Texas
there are more then what has been suggested.

I 2nd the post on getting Hal's " Canines 2000 ".

Http://www.Murrayslures.com/
Http://www.Adirondackoutdoor.com/
Http://www.Rpoutdoors.com/
Http://www.outdoorcatalog.com/
Http://www.Minntraprod.com/

Rpoutdoors is located in Louisiana and you can sell your furs to them !!1

Adirondack would probably be the one you would buy from since you live there !

Good luck

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#176359 - 04/02/03 09:50 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
drscott Offline
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Registered: 02/18/03
Posts: 753
Loc: Southwestern NM.
Foxpro usually to dispatch an animal if I am keeping the fur, I rap them with a stick along the snout between the eyes to knock them out. Then I stomp on their heart area. This stops their heart and dispatches them immediatly. If you shoot them then you have to contend with blood on the fur and holes. If I am just doing predator control and not worried about fur I shoot them with a 22 between the eyes.
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#176360 - 04/02/03 01:26 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Yellowhammer Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 16589
Loc: Huntington, Texas
For coon, skunk, opposum, fox, otter, and bobcats use #1 1/2 or #2 traps. #2's are good all around traps and I like the Victors. I use double long springs and coil type traps. #2's will often break the legs of fox, but are not too much of a problem. If you are going after coyotes, I would move up to #3 or #4's.

Even when after fur, I always use a .22 to dispatch the animal. If you use CB shorts, there is usually not exit on head shots. Knocking them on the head with a stick often creates more mess than the .22. To me, the .22 is better, and you don't run the risk of having to hit the animal several times to knock him out. A crushed skull makes a mess when you are skinning it out.

Bait depends on what you are after. If you are after coons, sardines are the best bait around. Sardines will catch just about anything out there. When I am after coon, which is usually the most abundant and valuable furbearer in my area, I usually use water sets and sardines. With water sets you rarely catch anything other than coons. I have caught the occasional oppusum or otter. If you use dirt holes or other land sets using sardines, expect to catch a lot of skunks and opposums, not to mention dogs and house cats. I have caught bobcats using sardines as well. If you are after fox, coyote, or bobcat, I would recommend using urine and gland lures. For fox, fox urine is hard to beat. You can use meat such as rabbit or rat in addition to the urine and gland lure. Using bird feathers is very effective on bobcats.
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#176361 - 04/04/03 11:09 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Tactical .20 Offline
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Registered: 02/13/03
Posts: 3703
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I hate to shoot my catches because of the mess when skinning and transporting. For fox I stun them with a light crack on the middle of the muzzle, then I bend the head back to break the neck. This is a quick way to put the fox down. The coons and coyotes I stun them or just go ahead and suffocate them with my foot. The cats I put down by using the catch pole, instead of releasing it I pull it tighter and they are done in about 25 seconds. I used to thump the skunks but now I just shoot them.T.20
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#176362 - 04/08/03 08:23 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
I AM the foxpro Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 101
Loc: Pike co. pennsylvania
wow, after seeing all this, it makes me not want to trap, now im not an antihunter or anything of the sort, but that is inhumane in my books and im sure i speak for many other people. i just couldnt walk up to a live animal and just beat it in the head and stomp it to death, i would really get messed up. cant you just simply put a 22 to the back of the head, it would be a hell of alot quicker and less morally painful.

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#176363 - 04/09/03 11:33 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
drscott Offline
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Registered: 02/18/03
Posts: 753
Loc: Southwestern NM.
Foxpro, trapping can be a wonderful way to learn animal habits and a real challenge. It also is not the most humane way of taking these animals. But it is the best and most cost effective predator control measure. There is nothing friendly abought a leg hold trap. I personaly haven't trapped in 20 years other than to help a friend of mine occasionally who contracts with the state for doing predator control when he has to be gone. I quit trapping because it does not give me any personal satisfaction. I do not enjoy seeing a animal trapped or dispatching them in any manor. That said some of the ways described here of dispatching an animal may sound cruel and inhumane but in reality you may find are the quickest and best way of doing this with the least amount of trauma to the animal. Do you think that coyote or fox you catch in a trap is just going to stand there and give you a nice clean shot? Anyway give trapping a try it is something that I feel should be learned. And love it or hate it at least you will know what its about.
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#176364 - 04/09/03 03:23 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
cwhain Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 77
Loc: humboldt nebraska
i don't know but it sounds like i'm in the minority, i usually catch around 250-400 animals in traps every fur season, anything that is alive is shot in the brain with a 22 cal pistol i carry, i've never had a problem with set contamination on my canine line by doing this. most of the time with fox, bobcats and coyotes they will jump around when you aproach them, but they will usually settle down quickly so that you can shoot them in the head and kill them quickly. i suppose you could make it as brutal as you wanted to, but for me the quickest and easiest way to dispatch an animal in a trap is a bullet. if killing the animal bothers you, you could use conibear traps, or drowners, then the animal will be dead when you get to your set, but as far as i know you ain't going to catch any canines in conibears or drowning sets, but snares do a pretty decent job of dispatching fox and coyote if you neck snare the animal in an entanglement situation. don't give up on trapping we need new blood to keep the sport alive, i always try to respect the life of the animal that i am harvesting, and i try to do it as humanely as possible, feel free to email me with any more questions.

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#176365 - 04/10/03 05:11 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Tactical .20 Offline
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Registered: 02/13/03
Posts: 3703
Loc: Estherville,IA
Foxpro, I guess if you put a lot of animals down you will see a head shot is not always a sure thing. Not many things are. The methods I mentioned are almost as fast and a cleaner kill for me. No matter how you put an animal down it still takes a few seconds for the heart to stop.
I use these methods because I feel they are humane and quick. Killing the animal is never fun for me, it is the hardest part of the fur harvesting. I never beat an animal to death, it could be the longest way to kill an animal. The tap on the bridge of the nose that I was talking about usually does not give them even a bloody nose.T.20
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#176366 - 04/11/03 02:50 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
drscott Offline
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Registered: 02/18/03
Posts: 753
Loc: Southwestern NM.
I would like to apologize for my first post, it does sound graffic and somewhat harsh. I was just trying to answer a question that was posed. The method I use is done so due to many years of experiance and trapping many animals and searching and being shown by helpful people what works best for them. The method I use I guess could be thought of as beating an animal to death, but I use it because it is fast and the most humane method I have found. that includes shooting them in the head with a gun. As Tactical .20 stated this is not a sure thing and that is what I found. I also stun them by hitting them along the snout. this does not crush the scull or as he stated usually even give them a nose bleed. It does stun them however. I then step on the heart area to stop the heart. All of this takes about 3 seconds and the animal is dead. Even when I shoot them in the head I still do this last step and if you shoot enough of them you will find out why just as I did. I was just trying to pass along some wisdom as many did for me when I was trying to learn. I apologize if I offended anyone.
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#176367 - 04/11/03 10:51 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Yellowhammer Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 16589
Loc: Huntington, Texas
I have to agree with cwhain.

Tactical- Could you explian

[QUOTE]I hate to shoot my catches because of the mess when skinning and transporting. For fox I stun them with a light crack on the middle of the muzzle, then I bend the head back to break the neck. This is a quick way to put the fox down. The coons and coyotes I stun them or just go ahead and suffocate them with my foot. The cats I put down by using the catch pole, instead of releasing it I pull it tighter and they are done in about 25 seconds. I used to thump the skunks but now I just shoot them.T.20[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I understand your post. You start off saying you hate to shoot them and end by saying you used to thump the skull, now you just shoot them. Although, I know people who have used the "heart stomp", I have not used it myself. Chicken I guess. Surely you stun the coyote before the stomp? I would think stunning would be required before stepping on anything from a coon on up. Even 'ol 'possum can give a nasty bite.

I'll stick to the .22, especiall since I use a lot of non-drowning water sets where you can not often get close for a stomp or clear club swing.
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#176368 - 04/12/03 12:58 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
MB Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 516
Loc: NE Ohio
Yellowhammer:

I believe Tac.20 was saying he used to thump skunks , but now just shoots skunks.

Other than shooting, the other common method is to use a needle with a killing fluid injected into the skunks lungs. Quick and usually scentless. (takes about 10-15 seconds for skunk to expire) Done with a syringe on a pole.

Modern traps have done much to improve them and make them more humane. Items such as laminating the jaws and proper swiveling help a bunch. The size of the trap and how it is adjusted make a big difference. Strong springs are better than weaker springs.

Cruel ? Have you seen how these animals die "in the wild" ? Get a good look at a mangy fox or coyote. No, it's not for everyone, but neither is hunting.

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#176369 - 04/12/03 11:20 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
cwhain Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 77
Loc: humboldt nebraska
hey if any of guys catch me in your trap give me the old .22 in the head i don't want the head thump or the neck break, question i'm kind of new to this forum do any anti's ever cause any problems in any of these forums? I know that everyone has their own way of doing things, but maybe we should watch what we say so that it doesn't end up as ammunition for an anti trapping group. just my thoughts hope i didn't offend anyone.

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#176370 - 04/13/03 11:50 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Tactical .20 Offline
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Registered: 02/13/03
Posts: 3703
Loc: Estherville,IA
YHammer, yes if the yote can turn his head to the place where I would put my foot I will stun him first. I always put the trowel over his neck to keep him from reaching my ankle. Coons are not much of a problem, unless they are the 30 pounders. I used to thump the skunks from about 5-6 ft away, now I just shoot them. Grinners are a joke as far as fighting back, I just shoot them because I don't take them home anyway.
I get few skunks now that I went to a 3# pan tension. I tried the skunk pole method, it works good if you want to avoid the skunk from spraying. It seemed to take longer for them to go under, I might of not done it right or something? T.20
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#176371 - 04/13/03 04:24 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Yellowhammer Offline
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Posts: 16589
Loc: Huntington, Texas
Tac .20- Sorry, I misread your earlier post. You clearly said thump skunks. I read thump "SKULLS". Must have been late, yea that's what it was....

I usually shoot skunks with a lung shot. Don't ask me why, but skunks shot in the head will often spray, but skunks shot with a lung shot seldom do. Read about this method in the "Trappers Handbook" by RicK Jamison, so I tried it and it seems to work. It's not 100% of the time, but much better than head shots. About 10 yards is as close as I ever wanted to get to a skunk.
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#176372 - 04/13/03 07:11 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
I AM the foxpro Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 101
Loc: Pike co. pennsylvania
thanks, i now see why you guys use these methods. and i totally understand, im sorry if i offended anyone or anything of the sort. and i know how the animals die in the wild. thats what i tell people that ask me about hunting. i think ill start trapping but with a .22 lr. now what do i need to get started? both me and my grandfather are new to trapping so i need lots of info. also can you guys post pics of different traps. like the snares and conibears you guys mentioned. thanks for clearin all this stuff up. i think i will enjoy trapping. thanks again.

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#176373 - 04/14/03 01:37 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Song Dog Assasin Offline
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Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 520
Loc: Central Minnesota
cwhain and drscott,
If you have offended anyone in this forum by sharing usefull information on how to kill an animal, they are definetly in the wrong place, and should not be visiting a site called Predator Masters to begin with. Their is absoultly nothing wrong with dispatching an animal by any of the methods you've described, and any trapper who thinks otherwise should seriously take another look at what it is that he's doing to begin with. I don't believe we need to be sugar coating any of the actions we as trappers, or hunters, do. Let's be honest with ourselves, and each other here. Hunting and trapping ultimately results with us as people deliberately killing a wild animal for whatever reason, be it meat, or fur, or just an enjoyable passtime. As long as we do our very best to kill that animal as quickly as possible, we have done nothing wrong, eventhough some of our kills will in all reality experience some pain and suffering. All we can do is keep that to a bare minimun, and we have fufilled our obligation to our prey. And as far as the antis are concerned, #@*& em'. There is nothing you can, or can't say to please those people, and I for one am not going to revolve what I say around a group of people that has no concept of reality to begin with.
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#176374 - 04/15/03 12:46 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
BJanecke Offline
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Registered: 06/26/02
Posts: 144
Loc: South Dakota
cwhain or any other trappers in here, i was readin all the different tactics and such to trappin bcs i have never done it but really would LOVE to get into it, i was wondering about how many traps u put out and how often u check them, any other facts or suggestions are appreciated, thanks.

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#176375 - 04/15/03 01:59 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Yellowhammer Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
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Loc: Huntington, Texas
How many to put out depends on how much area you have to trap, how many traps you have and how much time have you got. Most states require that all set traps be checked every 24 or 36 hours. I think that some western states allow a longer period. However, I think that most responsible trappers will check their traps every morning. Most animals will be caught at night, and by checking them early you reduce chew outs, pull outs, and what ever other way they figure out how to get out. I've had some that apparently got caught early, and by morning had completely destroyed the trap site. I have had the best luck setting and baiting my traps late in the evening and running them right before daylight. Traps that are baited all day long sometimes catch crows, squirrels, hawks, owls, and even buzzards. If when I run my traps, a trap has not been disturbed I leave it alone. Then when I come back in the evening, I will freshen up the bait. Occasionaly you will catch an animal during the day, and by setting baiting in the evening you will be able to get those animals out and get the trap back into action.
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#176376 - 04/15/03 07:40 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
I AM the foxpro Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 101
Loc: Pike co. pennsylvania
what do you do about unwanted catches? or say you catch something thats not in season yet? i heard that the foil from gum wrappers are deadly on racoon. do you put the bait on the pan or around it? can you guys tell me which baits are good for each animal, coyote, fox, bobcat, coon, weasels, thanks.

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#176377 - 04/16/03 10:24 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
cwhain Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 77
Loc: humboldt nebraska
the amount of traps that you set just depends on how much time that you have to tend to them, one method that i use to get more traps out is to run my snares and foothold traps in the morning, and then i have another line of conibears that i check after i get off work, also in the winter i will have two different lines for bobcats each line is set up with 220's i just alternate the days i check them, that works if the weather stays pretty cold. foxpro probably the best all around bait for all the animals you listed in my opinion is muskrat, on coons i catch minnows and bluegill and freeze them to use for bait. i also buy some 50# blocks of frozen ocean fish to use as coon bait, in my bobcat buckets i use beaver meat mostly. i think the best advice i could give you is that you'll catch more in 12 well made sets than you will in 24 sloppy sets. good luck and keep asking questions.

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#176378 - 07/29/04 02:31 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176379 - 07/29/04 03:47 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Tommy Johnson Offline
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Registered: 05/10/01
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Are you trapping for fur or fun?

If its for fun, .50cal works great. If its for fur, they're not just going to die on thier own. Gotta give a little outside assistance so to speak.

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#176380 - 07/29/04 08:18 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Tommy Johnson Offline
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CoyoteThumperMan, I had to simmer on your post awhile.

I dont think anyone here on PM is against killing. Its what we all are chompin' at the bit to go do this time of year. A predator hunter especially has to be more wired this way then any other hunter because we kill coyotes to kill em, unless you enjoy their taste.

So you might be confusing the mentality most hunters have of a quick dispatch as meaning that "we dont like to kill stuff". No we just like it to come swiftly. Trapping is the longest way to take an animal. So when we pull up on the scene we want to end it. Something about a trapped animal triggers the instincts of most hunters to "kill", not molest. Thats the worst job, done it several upon several times myself and will probably continue to. Acting swift is my responsibility as a trapper.

No one here is a pansy waist or we wouldnt be here. Ive had to slit many big game jugulars, Ive had the misfortune to run across a trapped/snared coyotes and had to resort to very primative means of dispatching. Ive also stuck a few large game animals in the blood pumper. Not fun just part of it.

Just wanted to calm you down on your first post. Oh and welcome to PM!!!! Silverfox does our table dances, he should be here soon.

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#176381 - 07/29/04 09:13 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
River Runner Offline
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I must say you make a hell of an entrance, CoyoteThumperMan.
1st post....welcome to the board.
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#176382 - 07/29/04 10:26 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176383 - 07/29/04 10:43 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176384 - 07/30/04 12:15 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Tommy Johnson Offline
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Point understood.

But let me offer my defense on the Peta statement. Nope, an individuals views that follow right inline with mine doesnt make them a Peta nut. Been eating venison for 20 years or better. Pretty tasty actually, I like the cutlets, you batter em up reall good and..........

If dispatching isnt your first priority, fill me in on what is so Im on the same page with ya.

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#176385 - 07/30/04 06:22 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Michael J. McCasland Offline
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Registered: 04/24/01
Posts: 9470
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CoyoteThumperMan - I am a hunter, I enjoy the hunt, I like the adreneline rush of the shot and enjoy making a clean honest kill. But I don't enjoy the killing. I do not hunt to kill, but killing is part of hunting. To hunt is to be willing to kill, they certainly go hand in hand.

Killing is a necesasrily part of the hunting experience and the necessity of it cannot be denied, but to glory in the kill, to make the actual killing out to be "the thrill" of the hunt, not to attempt to make the kill quick and as painless as possible is completely missing the point. But you take it even further and have indicated that you don't mind prolonging the pain of death. To be honest the whole idea sickens me.

I find your statements to be so offensive that I don't believe you are being truthful at all. I believe you are posting on PM with the soal intention of setting us up. I believe that you are trying to draw us into statements that can be twisted to your own purposes. I believe that you are not a hunter or a trapper at all. I believe that I will begin right now to do everything in my power to convince the other moderators and pro-staff that Predator Masters does not need you as one of our members. It is very likely that they will not see things my way, but mark my words, I will try to have you removed. If you are not setting us up for your own purposes I want you gone simply because any purposefull delay in dispatching an animal, any lengthening of any creatures pain of death is disturbing and wrong.
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#176386 - 07/30/04 06:47 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176387 - 07/30/04 06:49 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
CoyoteThumperMan Offline
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#176388 - 07/30/04 09:44 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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Registered: 04/21/01
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CoyoteThumperMan,
With all due respect and as a member of the administration of this board, I need to ask you to please change the attitude of your posts.
With over 8000 members, the amount of traffic we receive in even an hours time, and the fact that we have the largest Predator Hunting Discussion board on the web....makes us and everything we do, (yourself included) wide open for animal rights confrontations.
If you have been hunting and trapping for any amount of time or know any history on either of them, I'm sure you are well aware of the fact that the members of this board which now includes yourself, need to stick together and learn what is considered acceptable when making public opinions. We don't need to be stereo typed any worse then we already are.
Some things just need to be kept to yourself verses posted in black and white on a public forum the size of Predator Masters.
We don't need to give the anti's any more ammo then they already have. Simple hunting ethics go a long way.
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#176389 - 07/30/04 11:18 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176390 - 07/31/04 12:01 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176391 - 07/31/04 12:25 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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When I made the comment that you made a hell of an entrance it was in reference to all the commotion in your first post on a topic that lay dorment for 3 months.
Never the less your still welcome to the board. I'm asking that you refrain from publicizing your ManlyManHunter attitude on the board.
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#176392 - 07/31/04 04:11 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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#176393 - 07/31/04 08:11 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
223smitty Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 53
Loc: Indiana
RR- I normally "steer clear" of posts that tend to head "the wrong direction", but decided to say something here.

All I wanted to say, was thank you.....and I too supported (not that it matters) PM's decision to ask this guy to consider the manner of his posts, as they didn't "set well" with me when I'd first read them either.

I'm not to far from the (living) half-century mark, and have "been around" the block a time or two. I've seen death more times than I could count, from animals to humans.....and can not remember one time I found it enjoyable.

If anyone thinks I'm a "sissy" for this......so be it. I'm 6'3", 220lbs. I've assisted in several fatal motor vehicle accidents where I'd felt terrible for the (unknown) persons family, yet also cried (as a man) when my dog died. As a very young teen (runaway) I'd lived alone in the Black Hills of SD for 3 months, where killing was essential to my survival.

Being a "man" includes compassion, be it for another human being, or extending it to an animal in order to dispatch it (the animal) in the quickest and most humane way possible.

I'm not trying to flame CTM, and personally have no problem whatsoever with him. Man was given domain over animals from the day we were put on this earth, for our benefit to use to exist.

Posting on a public forum via the internet reaches hundreds of thousands (millions?) of eyes, so discretion of what is said is of the utmost importance, especially on a subject of that which this forum involves. I'm sure there are people that would love to see hunting/trapping/and even fishing banned for good......let's not give them any ammunition to use againxt us, or anything to base their opinions on.

I'm here because of my love for the outdoors, and all it involves. I will always chose my words, as well as my actions as to NOT jepordize my right, or the right of anyone else to pursure their enjoyment in the sport as well. By just being a member here, I have formed an instant "bond" with the thousands of others here. If I'd ever say (or do) anything that didn't "set well" with others, I'd hope they would bring it to my attention (though as individuals, doesn't mean I HAVE to agree).

If there ever came a time I didn't feel comfortable here, (or anywhere for that matter), I have the right to remove myself, as CTM has chosen to do. I hope he'll change his mind, or atleast consider it. I'm sure he is aware of the importance of "sticking together", and the strength in numbers that is so vital in the protection of rights.

I'm new here, and all I have written are strictly my own opinions. Some may agree, some may not. Reading a written reply from someone gives little to convey the tone, or manner in which it was intended. What I mean is, it is very easy to have your intended message misunderstood. There's a good possibillity that's what happened here.

I hope so.

223smitty
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#176394 - 07/31/04 08:56 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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You won't be the only one feeling thankfull Smitty
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#176395 - 07/31/04 09:00 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
coyote mike Offline
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Registered: 05/05/03
Posts: 87
Loc: Michigan
Almost all my trapping is for fox and coyote. Except for the water trapping I do for mink and muskrats. But when I'm targeting canines I use Victor's 1.75's for all my trapping. They will also hold a bobcat. But I've only got one, so I won't say they will hold all of them. To dispatch my animals, I never heard of a heart stomp. But what I do is hit the animal on the snout to knock him out, then I step on the animal right behind the shoulders, with all my weight. This collaspes the rib cage and stops the heart from beating. The animal is dispatched humanely this way. I only shoot and animal like a coyote, if I can't get close enough to nose hit him. Some yotes will cower down and not try to bite at you, while others are like a mad doberman wanting to take your leg off. Those I dispatch with a .22 to the lungs.
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#176396 - 07/31/04 11:53 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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Registered: 10/15/03
Posts: 131
Loc: Jamestown, NM
WOW!!!!!

Before you read any more make sure you are comfortable, it's long.

I've been away for a while, vacation, making bait, honeydo's etc. Getting it all done before hunting season and trapping season. Looks like quite a stir was raised.

First I would recommend pulling this post and starting all over again. The new guy wants to start trapping. I myself am only starting my second year. I trapped last year and my yield was only one grey fox. I cherished that fox. I loved every part of it but killing it, it was just the necessary evil.

I have seen both methods. The shooting and the stunning methods. Both are effective and humane. The animals are very sensitive in their snout area. Just a light tap is all it takes to put them down so the dispatch can be completed.

Let's analyze how dipatching an animal really happens most of the time for animals of all size. Whether you place a bullet in the lungs, the heart, or you "take the wind" out of an animal with a foot. They die due to suffocation. A bullet in the lungs fills the lungs with blood and the animal expires due to suffocation. A bullet in the heart, stops the flow of blood to the whole body, including the lungs. If the lungs can't do their job by expelling CO2 and bring in O2, suffocation is the result.

Same for that fish you catch, throw on a stringer and drag behind the boat. Eventually the thing dies do to drowning (another form of suffocation). How many times have you caught a fish and done this? This I feel is the longest death that anyone can do to an animal. I prefer to "thump" the fish on the head sharply, end its life and go on happy fishing.

If the bullet is well placed, the animal will instantly go into shock, drop, and die. But how often does that happen? Especiall for the bigger animals. Usually it runs 10 to 100 yards and then falls.

Most people don't brag about the act of killing an animal. We brag about the hunt, the shot, and how quick it fell, and the rest of it. The actual act of watching it die, and advertising that you enjoyed watching its life end should not be publicly advertised. Maybe if you like that sort of thing, talk about it in your group of friends, not on a board open to everyone.

New Mexico trappers are currently fighting for a tradition of their own. Some groups are trying to end trapping on public land. I'm pretty sure we won this round but the fight will get bigger. They don't need this sort of ammo! Because, what will be next? Trapping completely, then bow hunting, then hunting period, and then... YES fishing.

I say we regroup, and go on.

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#176397 - 08/16/04 11:07 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
stasheo Offline
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Registered: 08/16/04
Posts: 5
Loc: Missouri
Just joined this site Wow what a gold mine of information- My husband introduced me to hunting about 10 years ago and a couple of years ago I got serious enough to learn all I can.. (still learning)I've only been hunting them yotes no trapping. I can call in yotes in turkey season with a box call and even get attacked by bobcats in turkey season but I can't get a coyote to show himself any other time.

I plan to attend a Missouri conservation class to learn about trapping with the new cable restraint device. Any one used them? Any suggestions for hunting coyotes successfully?

I haven't read every thread yet so forgive the question if the answer is already here!

Any other womenhunters/trappers here? The womenhunter site I frequent only has one young lady trapper..

thanks
Sheila
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#176398 - 08/16/04 11:22 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
Redfrog Offline
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Registered: 12/12/01
Posts: 18017
Loc: Palliser Triangle, Alberta
Welcome to the PM board. It's great to see some class come to this place.

Awright you guys straighten up, we got a lady on the deck.

There's tons of info here and always someone to give you some advice. So make yourself comfortable and stay awhile.

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#176399 - 08/16/04 11:52 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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Registered: 04/21/01
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Welcome to the board Sheila.
The members of our forums spill out enough information in a 24 hour period to help even the weariest yotes find there way into your cross hairs. I don't think you'll have any problems finding some tips or gaining advise

As far as your cable restraints, Ole Rich Cronk has some pretty slick tricks that he's been know to pour out of his sleeve cuff from time to time.
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#176400 - 08/17/04 08:05 AM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
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Registered: 03/22/02
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Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
Welcome aboard Sheila, Glad to have ya here. Looks like my little invatation worked.
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#176401 - 08/17/04 02:18 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
blak coyote Offline
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Registered: 01/30/04
Posts: 874
Loc: N.E.WIS.
Try this site.Lots of good coyote trapping info.

http://coyotesrus.proboards35.com/index.cgi
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#176402 - 08/18/04 12:38 PM Re: not a trapper, but would like to start, i have a few q's. help please?
stasheo Offline
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Registered: 08/16/04
Posts: 5
Loc: Missouri
Thank you for the welcome gents. This is definitely the place to learn more about hunting and trapping predators.

It's funny I've only seen three coyotes and two bobcats up close but I'm hooked on pursuing them. Might have something to do with the challenge of hunting the hunter and wanting to succeed at hunting/trapping the difficult to catch!!

Also my favorite wild creature is the mountain lion! They facinate me. My husband saw a pair while deer hunting in the Missouri Ozarks about 7 years ago and I have photos of tracks but they don't exist here in Missouri !!! YEAH RIGHT... I would love to see one (as long as he didn't eat me for lunch - LOL ) My husband says no you don't want to see one that close it is very unnerving!

Well enough chat I'm going to dive back into the posts and read some more about these elusive creatures.

Sheila
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