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#1676458 - 09/19/10 01:04 AM Range Report Help!! asap
CD82 Offline
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well i got a range report for my ar-15 and right now im not sure what to do.

ive got a bushnell trophy 3x9x40 scope on the ar-15.

all i had time today was for 50 rounds between me and my buddy.
we cant even get it on paper at all i had called my local academy.
to see if they could atleast bore site it and they said they dont bore site ars.

now this scope i know is good because i took it off of my 243 and i had it dead on at 200 yards

at 100 yards and 50 rounds i cant even get this thing on paper

everything is tight for the scope and mounts and im resting on a bag

any suggestions ??

i just hope its not the rifle

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#1676462 - 09/19/10 01:09 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
Chad Walk Offline
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Sight in at 25 yards and then 50...After that 100....

Chad

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#1676463 - 09/19/10 01:12 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
CD82 Offline
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alright i will try that tomorrow when i go out

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#1676464 - 09/19/10 01:17 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
Chad Walk Offline
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Make sure you have a big piece of cardboard behind your target at 25 yards so you will know where your bullet is hitting....Let us know how it turns out... thumbup1

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#1676466 - 09/19/10 01:23 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
CD82 Offline
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yeah i will i just hope its not the rifle

ive always wnated an ar yeah its a carbine and i know i. cant get any awsome groups like i can with my bolt guns.
if al else fails and it is the rifle guess i could go back. to a bolt gun whould prob get a bolt 223

but i think tomorrow i can get it sighted in and then. i can get to killing some hogs or coyotes

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#1676470 - 09/19/10 02:01 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Make sure you are hitting about 2 Inches low at 25 yards before going further out. If you are dead on at 25 you will be way high at 100.
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#1676488 - 09/19/10 03:40 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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I start at 10 yards. Zero left/right, close on elevation and move to 25 and you will be on paper.
Can't your boresight it by putting the upper, with the bolt removed, in a pair of bags and dialing the scope to zero?
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#1676489 - 09/19/10 03:52 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Evil_Lurker]
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Thats how I did mine right out the back door of the house then it was only an inch off at 50yds when I got to the range.
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#1676532 - 09/19/10 08:37 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: youngdon]
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Wasting a lot of ammo starting at 100 yards with a new scope on the gun. Follow the instructions above.

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#1676538 - 09/19/10 08:53 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Rubenator]
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To each his own, but I always bore-sight the AR by removing the bolt/carrier. Pick out a vertical straight edge, like the corner of a building, and adjust the cross-hair so that it lines up with with the vertical edge. Now pick out a horizontal edge and do the same with the elevation control.

Reinstall your bolt/carrier and shoot it at 25 yards. You are going to need to be dead on left to right and between an inch to two inches low depending on your scope mount.

Due to the fact that you are at 25 yards, all of the scope controls will be multiplied by a factor of 4. If your scope is "1 click = 1/4" @ 100 yards" then you will need to move it 16 clicks to move it an inch at 25 yards. Most scopes track very well, so two shots at 25 yards should be all you need.

Once you have it around 1-1/2" low at 25 yards, it should be "on paper" at 100 yards.
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#1676570 - 09/19/10 09:59 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: dtech]
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You need to keep in mind that on an AR, your line of sight through your scope is approximately 2.5" above your rifle's bore...so any settings on the scope will be much different than with your bolt action..which is usually about 1.5", at the most..

When installing a new/different scope on my ARs, I will do as DTech suggested, with the exception of lining up the bore on a distant object (a neighbor's basketball goal) that is about 100 yards away, and then making sure the scope is optically centered and starting from there...It usually lines up pretty close to what I'm seeing through the bore and only takes a couple of clicks at the range to "fine tune" the point of impact..
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#1676576 - 09/19/10 10:08 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: OldTurtle]
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.........Primer goes to the rear........at least it does in my RRA AR.
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#1676680 - 09/19/10 12:01 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Terminator]
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im more into thinking that its the darn gun ive never had issues like this before. ive bought a few scopes an just tossed on my 22s. and never had issues geting them on paper.

50 shells an its not even on paper something is wrong some where

i know its not the scope

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#1676682 - 09/19/10 12:04 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82


i know its not the scope


Id be willing to bet that it is your scope.... wink

What kind of AR do you have?

Chad

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#1676697 - 09/19/10 12:26 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
CD82 Offline
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bet all you want its not the scope

its a dpms oracle in .223


i will be going back out today an shooting it
if i cant get it to hit paper i will sell the rifle

i might try the other scope i have same scope on my 204 if the rifle does the same thing ill sell it

i do know for a fact that scope i took off my 243 isnt bad i shot it last month infact


Edited by CD82 (09/19/10 12:30 PM)

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#1676705 - 09/19/10 12:43 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
Chad Walk Offline
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Originally Posted By: CD82
bet all you want its not the scope


No need for attitude man, you asked for help and thats what we are trying to do....I was trying to say it in a nice way but Ill rephrase....What Im trying to say is this, I would be willing to bet that the problem is in that $50.00 scope (as long as your mounts are good and tight) instead of that $700.00 rifle...

Here is a five shot group from my sons DPMS ORACLE at 100 yards....No problems here whatsoever!




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#1676712 - 09/19/10 12:58 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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when I switch scopes from one rifle to another.......... I recenter the crosshairs in the scope.... I have a block of wood with a v notched cradle piece of wood on each end.. i put this in the vice..... i turn the scope upside down and then back and adjust the crosshairs until they do not move when you turn it upside down and then back.... that readjusts the scope to the center of the tube before you start cranking on the adjsutments.....

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#1676724 - 09/19/10 01:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Let's assume that the scope is good and the rifle is good...

Remove the scope and center the reticle on a mirror...Just to be sure that it is moving as it should and it will provide a good place to start the elimination process..If you are not familiar with the process...Hold the scope against a mirror and you normally will see two sets of reticles when looking through the scope...Move your windage and elevation knobs to the point where you only see one reticle...

After you get it centered optically, with the scope still loose, lock the upper in a position that allows you to look through the bore at a distant object (neighbor's window, house, etc.) and locate an easy to see point...

Without moving the upper, set the scope in the bottom half of the scope rings and observe where the reticle is, in relation to the item you are seeing in the bore...That will give you a good indication as to the relationship of the scope and mounts to the rifle barrel...

If the view is pretty much the same, carefully replace the ring caps and tighten just enough that you can still turn the scope with a little effort and that will allow you to adjust it so that it isn't canted right or left...If you have a couple of bubble levels, that's even better..you need to know that your rifle/scope is level for your best accuracy..

When you have the scope fully tightened back on the rifle upper, re-check the view through the bore and the scope to make sure that you haven't put the scope in a bind, in the rings,,,

At the range, you should be 'on paper' with the first shot and it should only take a few clicks to fine tune your point of impact, depending on the distance..

Don't let a simple process get you frustrated...DPMS puts out some good rifles.. I don't have any experience with your scope, but Bushnell has a decent reputation as well..Sometimes, in the excitement of a 'new toy', we get in a hurry to try it out and miss a simple process in putting it all together..
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#1676726 - 09/19/10 01:18 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: ilmo]
CD82 Offline
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lmao at 50$ scope

my scope set just as high as yours does i had to get a riser. a pmag riser from academy they couldnt bore sight the scope because the scope set to high.

and the scope isnt 50$ i paied 130$ for this scope localy

its a bushnell trophy 3x9x40 heh 50$

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#1676731 - 09/19/10 01:25 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Let it go cd82. Follow Old Turtles advice and let us know what happens.
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#1676732 - 09/19/10 01:26 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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I just love trying to help people like you on here....You come on here asking for help and then you seem to know more about everything than the people wasting there time trying to help you! I dont get it? Why ask for help if you know everything anyway? Good luck to ya....Im outta here... smile

Chad

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#1676734 - 09/19/10 01:31 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
CD82 Offline
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you assume my scope is trash and cheap chad

when i go back out to the farm later i will even change to my other scope. that is the same model bushnell trophy 3x9x40. thats on my remington 700 sps 204 that nothing is wrong with the scope. just like the scope thats on my ar now the one thats off of my 243. fired it last month nothing wrong with the scope an i was very careful putting it on the ar.

you assume its the scope and its a cheap scope the way i bet its your scope came across was wrong to me

im not saying i know more than you but what i do know is
my scope isnt cheap or trash much less 50$

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#1676739 - 09/19/10 01:41 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Hey brother Im not trying to trash your stuff at all! Please dont take it that way! You was talking about selling your rifle if you couldnt get it to shoot...What Im saying is this, eliminate everything else before you go selling that nice rifle!!! Dpms makes great products and Ive owned several...I have not had one yet that wouldnt shoot good! Dont get frustrated because it could be something small like the mount or the scope that is causeing problems....I want your rifle to shoot good for you because once you do get it dialed in you will love that rifle! wink If you look back on some of my posts you will see that Ive had scope troubles before so forgive me because Im a little gunshy of scopes at this point in my life..... thumbup1 Its all good...

Chad

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#1676747 - 09/19/10 01:51 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
CD82 Offline
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ive had scope trouble to i wont buy anything less than a $130 scope. if i toss my other scope on there an the rifle does not shoot. i will sell it

i want the rifle to shoot good ive never had this much [beeep] before. ive wanted an ar for a long time an i got one

im going to try from 25 then 50 then 100 yards

it took me about a week to decide to get that dpms rifle

i know dpms makes fine rifles thats why i bought a dpms

something tells me if there 308 platform is good enough for remington then there rifles are good for me

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#1676752 - 09/19/10 01:54 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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try different ammo and make sure your mount is tight!!
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#1676757 - 09/19/10 01:59 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Must be shooting blanks. lol
My guess is scope or mounting unless something happened in transit or at the store of purchase. I doubt that DPMS lets much crap out the door these days.
hope your gettin it fingered out.

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#1676762 - 09/19/10 02:10 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: freefloat]
CD82 Offline
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rpc thats one thing i did ill sure check again

the scope dont move that was first thing i checked

shooting blanks hey thats possible lol

tried two different types of ammo

there was a pamphlet that came with the gun saying that rifle shoots best with remington ammo 55. grain thats the what ammo im trying now.

Chad what ammo do you shoot in your oracle?


Edited by CD82 (09/19/10 02:10 PM)

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#1676763 - 09/19/10 02:11 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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[quote=CD82] 100 yards and 50 rounds i cant even get this thing on paper

any suggestions ??
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Problem #1.......... to far for sight in.

Like others have said start at 25 and use a big target/backer.

Should only take a couple of shots to get it in the right direction.
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#1676767 - 09/19/10 02:13 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Tim Neitzke]
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Chad is shooting handloads.
Look at the pic ,it's has the info on it.
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#1676769 - 09/19/10 02:17 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Tim Neitzke]
CD82 Offline
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yeah tim when i go back out 25 is whee i will start out at.

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#1676772 - 09/19/10 02:27 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Yes Im shooting handloads....Even if you shoot factory loads you should be within minute of coyote.... laugh

If I was in Abilene Tx. I would help you with that rifle... wink



Chad

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#1676774 - 09/19/10 02:28 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
CD82 Offline
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thats the next thing i will buy is the stuff to start reloading.

ive bought two guns this yea a handgun and the ar.
so next stuff is the reloading equipment

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#1676786 - 09/19/10 02:43 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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follow the advice above CD, you'll get it. From what I hear, that rifle is top of the line.
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#1676802 - 09/19/10 03:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: rpc55]
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yeah im tryin to find places to call in yotes around here.

people say they find palces to hunt them here but ive never had any luck.

one reason i bought the ar was to hunt them and hogs

i hope 30 shells is enough to sight the gun in im bout broke lol

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#1676804 - 09/19/10 03:24 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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CD82


You have got some pretty darn good advice from these guys, I think you should have no problem getting it done with 30 rounds. I like the mirror trick, I never heard of that before.. Good luck


Mark2
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#1676851 - 09/19/10 04:39 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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This worked for me. 2 foot square piece of cardboard with a 1" dot in the center placed about 100 yards out.separated the upper from lower and removed BCG, set the upper on the seat of ATV, look down through the barrel and center the dot and adjust scope accordingly, about 5 shots later I was good to go.
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#1676852 - 09/19/10 04:45 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Hooked]
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There's one other possibility to look at:

Take a close look at the scope mount and make sure it's seated into the upper correctly, and that the "clamp bar" is making contact on the Picatinny bevel front and rear.

I'm not sure what kind of mount you're using, but a one-piece can get skewed a LONG ways if it's not fully seated, and it's not easy to see without looking real close.



Edited by Evil_Lurker (09/19/10 04:46 PM)
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#1676864 - 09/19/10 05:22 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Evil_Lurker]
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Could your one-piece riser be a 20 MOA Base??


Edited by eneranch (09/19/10 05:32 PM)

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#1676878 - 09/19/10 05:35 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82


i hope 30 shells is enough to sight the gun in im bout broke lol


50 yesterday and 30 to play with today. Yeah, I hope it's enough. scared

BUT, if not, and you wanna sell that DPMS cheap because it don't shoot, Please put me first in line. Maybe I could salvage a couple of parts off of it. Thank you. thumbup1
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#1676880 - 09/19/10 05:37 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: eneranch]
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"Take a close look at the scope mount and make sure it's seated into the upper correctly, and that the "clamp bar" is making contact on the Picatinny bevel front and rear."

Hey, Evil, that is exactly what I was thinking. It is not hard to get them skewed on the slots. That would throw you off a LONG ways at 100 yards.

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#1676882 - 09/19/10 05:43 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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I'd still start at 10 yards. It looks goofy, but I've been on paper first shot every time. I can do it that way faster than boresighting, and I'm basically lazy. wink

But maybe you're at an actual range and don't have that option.
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#1676883 - 09/19/10 05:44 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: kevlars]
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It might come down to operator or installer error. I doubt not being able to get it to at least hit paper is rifle, scope or ammo related.
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#1676923 - 09/19/10 06:20 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: eneranch]
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Originally Posted By: eneranch

Could your one-piece riser be a 20 MOA Base??



This doesn't need to get buried. Good job thinking out side the box.


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#1676955 - 09/19/10 07:09 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chupathingy]
CD82 Offline
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well report for today simply dont shoot

so not only that i strated playing around with my 45 acp and the slide broke on it

wow my luck with guns aint good

so i get my funiture in for my ar-15 mon or tuse ill prob ship it back an ship the gun back

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#1676960 - 09/19/10 07:14 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82
yeah i will i just hope its not the rifle

ive always wnated an ar yeah its a carbine and i know i. cant get any awsome groups like i can with my bolt guns.
if al else fails and it is the rifle guess i could go back. to a bolt gun whould prob get a bolt 223

but i think tomorrow i can get it sighted in and then. i can get to killing some hogs or coyotes



lol lol lol That's funny right there!

I assume you shoot with one eye closed? What was your buddy doing while you were trying to get it on paper??? Next time have him call your shots to you. Lower the power on the scope so you can see where you are hitting. Learn to shoot with both eyes open. Buy a cheap bore sight from Wal-mart for like $40. You almost shot that in ammo and your still not on paper so there is proof it's a good investment. I highly doubt that it's the rifle at all and it's all you. And if you think you can't get any "Awesome" groups with your AR in for a rude awaking!

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#1676966 - 09/19/10 07:19 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: dmpowder]
CD82 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dmpowder
Originally Posted By: CD82
yeah i will i just hope its not the rifle

ive always wnated an ar yeah its a carbine and i know i. cant get any awsome groups like i can with my bolt guns.
if al else fails and it is the rifle guess i could go back. to a bolt gun whould prob get a bolt 223

but i think tomorrow i can get it sighted in and then. i can get to killing some hogs or coyotes



lol lol lol That's funny right there!

I assume you shoot with one eye closed? What was your buddy doing while you were trying to get it on paper??? Next time have him call your shots to you. Lower the power on the scope so you can see where you are hitting. Learn to shoot with both eyes open. Buy a cheap bore sight from Wal-mart for like $40. You almost shot that in ammo and your still not on paper so there is proof it's a good investment. I highly doubt that it's the rifle at all and it's all you. And if you think you can't get any "Awesome" groups with your AR in for a rude awaking!




my buddy or i yesterday could not get it on paper
in a scope i shoot with one eye closed it works best for me

today i got it on the board but its all over the place even after a differnt scope

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#1676971 - 09/19/10 07:30 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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how are you cleaning the bore?using any thing to remove copper?

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#1676972 - 09/19/10 07:33 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
CD82 Offline
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the little cleaning kit that came with the rifle

im sorry but there is no way a rifle should shoot like that. smei or bolt gun eaither one

chad has same gun i do an his groups or 100 times better than mine. [beeep] mine are not even groups

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#1676975 - 09/19/10 07:39 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Chad's are hand loads and will shoot better then any factory loads. That's why most of us guys reload!

I never seen you mention what type of ammo you are shooting in your AR.

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#1676976 - 09/19/10 07:41 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: dmpowder]
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so how do you clean it?if your not using anything to get the copper out then yes it wont group worth a crap.

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#1676977 - 09/19/10 07:44 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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i mentioned some where i was using Remington 55 grain.

its the value pack from wally marts 50 rds for 25$
someone had given me 2 20 boxs of ammo as well factory remington 55 grain

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#1676996 - 09/19/10 08:08 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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have you even cleaned it since you shot all those rounds??????????

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#1677018 - 09/19/10 08:39 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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if i could locate someone with a gun vise. like someone whould use to put a scope on a rifle. and shot it an tried sighting it in that way. i wonder if that whould work at 50 yards im ok i can hit the ciliwets.

at 100 yards i aim at the bulls eye an ill shoot right above it. ill wait set the gun back on the bag and it will be like 2 inches up. and the 3rd time its another 2 inches up and an inch to the right. im not blasting as fast as i can i take my time when i shoot. i should think it should group somewhat better than that.

yeah the first shot i take on something might hit it. it might not be a kill shot though. even with factory ammo i should be getting better groups. they might not be like chads but still

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#1677020 - 09/19/10 08:44 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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this is my scope riser right here i bought

http://www.promagindustries.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PM066

and yes the little allan bolts from my. scope rings are in the groves of the rail. they are locked in there good and also the rail itself. is locked in the slots on the flat top of the rifle. im not sure if its 20 moa

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#1677026 - 09/19/10 08:53 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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you still have not said anything about cleaning the bore????????

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#1677028 - 09/19/10 08:56 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Based on my experience with Remington UMC ammo, I wouldn't judge a rifle/scope on it. I use it for plinking under 50 yards and the brass is great for reloading.

See if you can get your hands on some Hornady 55 grain vmax rounds and shoot those. If they perform sub-par, clean the snot out of that barrel and shoot them again and see if your results change for the better.

Good luck

Edit: I'd use some blue loc-tite on all you mouting threads as well.


Edited by BBsteel (09/19/10 09:01 PM)
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#1677039 - 09/19/10 09:07 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: BBsteel]
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a guy that was out at the spot where we were shooting. said he uses black hills in his ar an shoots good.

ive never used it before not sure if its worth it?

he has a dpms as well sportacle i think he said

also what about winchesters ammo? are there fmjs anygood?

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#1677045 - 09/19/10 09:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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why cant you answer if you have cleaned your bore or not?how long have you been shooting rifles?

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#1677047 - 09/19/10 09:16 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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my DPMS will shoot Remington UMC 45g & 50g HP ammo 100 yards inside 2" all day...maybe better.having that much of a riser for your scope I wonder if you have the elevation maxed out, and it dont like it.throw that cleaning kit in the garbage and get a dewey coated rod and a bore guide.
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#1677048 - 09/19/10 09:17 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Forget the FMJ's....you're not going to hunt with them anyway. I've heard great things about the Black Hills as well. I don't have experience with them though.

I get the 55 Vmax or the 55 Black Hills and go shooting and then let us know what happens.
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#1677050 - 09/19/10 09:19 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82
said he uses black hills in his ar an shoots good.
ive never used it before not sure if its worth it?




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#1677053 - 09/19/10 09:21 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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FMJ of any brand you should not be trying for groups. Yes Black hills is great ammo, My DPMS Sweet 16 didn't even group all that well with Hornady 55 vmax factory loads. But I also bought my reloading stuff before I even had 100 rds down the tube. I can reload 55 vmax with a 5 shot group covered by a dime. If I was you buy another 100 rds of FMJ and just shoot it for fun don't worry about groups, clean your bore and then use some Black hills to get your scope zeroed and stick to whatever you zero your scope with!

Just invest into some reloading gear and you will be amazed at the money you will save and your groups will really shrink! All these groups you see posted online are 99.9% hand rolled! thumbup1



Edited by dmpowder (09/19/10 09:37 PM)

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#1677055 - 09/19/10 09:25 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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I am with you josebd. At least lie and tell us you have cleaned that thing. I still believe optics and or mounting good luck.

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#1677061 - 09/19/10 09:27 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: dmpowder]
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i dont think hes cleaned the bore at all

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#1677062 - 09/19/10 09:28 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: freefloat]
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its not the scope i told ya i changed the scope
drop the scope thing already

and reloading gear is whats next on the project ajenda

not only will i load for my 223 ill load for my 204 and my 243

so remmy umc isnt the best choice ok black hills ill prob have to order i cant find it localy

ill never shoot wolf thats for sure ive heard bad things about it

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#1677067 - 09/19/10 09:32 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Did anybody else shoot the friggin rifle?

Why do I keep coming back and see what's written next in this thread? I guess it's like a bad wreck on the interstate.
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#1677069 - 09/19/10 09:34 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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there were 2 people shooting the rifle and it was doing the same thing ive stated this.

myself an my friend

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#1677071 - 09/19/10 09:36 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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still nothing about cleaning the bore,man im done!!!!!!!!

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#1677073 - 09/19/10 09:36 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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Did anybody else shoot the friggin rifle?

Why do I keep coming back and see what's written next in this thread? I guess it's like a bad wreck on the interstate.

I know..lmao and enjoying contributing to the pile-up. I wonder if he aint really shooting that silverbear ammo an not telling us? OK just kidding CD82
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#1677077 - 09/19/10 09:40 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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still nothing about cleaning the bore,man im done!!!!!!!!


No more from me either. I'm getting to old for this chit. lol
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#1677078 - 09/19/10 09:41 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Hooked]
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i should have taken a pic of the target but i was tict off an left. the groups didnt look right to me at all

i was using two bags had one stacked on another and rested the barrel on the bag. and the clip was also helping i had it setting on the bench.

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#1677088 - 09/19/10 09:52 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82


i was using two bags had one stacked on another and rested the barrel on the bag.



If you have been resting the barrel on the bag instead of the forearm then thats probably your problem...Barrel harmonics!

I dont know? Im at a loss?

Chad

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#1677092 - 09/19/10 09:54 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Many times when frustration happens, walking away from it for awhile is the best thing you can do.There will be another day and if you have some patience you`ll figure out whats going wrong. Take er home clean it best you can, and look everything over real good. I would also suggest crank that elevation all the way in counting # of turns in (so you know where your at) then all the way out. Being in the center (as close to) is ideal (both wind. &elev.)
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#1677096 - 09/19/10 09:55 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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IMO

You need to get rid of the POS riser.

Dont know what mounts you are using?

Clean Clean Clean

You dont rest your barrel on bags! Use your forearm...

Get rid of the Clips and Get some Mags...

Use bags for the Butt stock also, Not rest on (Clips) mags!

Clean Clean Clean

Get some decent AMMO.. and It will Shoot...
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#1677103 - 09/19/10 09:58 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: reddog964]
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i have weaver rings on the scope

if i got rid of the riser what type of rings ?

academy had nothing to fit it and im not big on spending $40 on rings

ill have to order a low capacty mag

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#1677114 - 09/19/10 10:00 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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josebd, I see you peeking. w00t
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#1677120 - 09/19/10 10:05 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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Im glad I went to church.... smile

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#1677121 - 09/19/10 10:06 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82
and im not big on spending $40 on rings

You need CHEAPER hobby ! lol
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#1677122 - 09/19/10 10:06 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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get a quality mount...Burris PEPR
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#1677123 - 09/19/10 10:06 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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i just got off the phone with my buddy who was shooting the gun also. he says the lst 5 shots that i shot were an inch and a half apart.

i was aiming at the bullzeye and eatch shot was above the bullseye. walking up and to the right

could be the mounts everything is tight

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#1677131 - 09/19/10 10:13 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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+1 on pos riser JMO too, like putting a step ladder on top a chair.lol. Burris and a few others make a mount with the required height plus move the scope forward but they start at $80 and go up.I just mounted a super cheap bucksilver 3-9 on a Bushmaster .223 using some super cheap an flimsey rings and that set up with reloads shoots .375 center to center 3rnds at 100 yards, just mentioning you should be able to make it shoot on the cheap, I just wouldnt trust it to hold up very well. It is my Brother-in-Laws and he couldnt afford anything at the moment so I threw what I had in the junk drawer on it.
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#1677132 - 09/19/10 10:13 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Where is 2muchgun when you need him??? He would straighten this thread out real quick!!! lol

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#1677133 - 09/19/10 10:13 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: rpc55]
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Originally Posted By: rpc55
get a quality mount...Burris PEPR


For the Money + 1
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#1677137 - 09/19/10 10:14 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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i hope he cleans his underware

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#1677139 - 09/19/10 10:14 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: reddog964]
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the burris mount looks nice i cant swing that price right now.

well thanks for trying to help me figure out my problems ill leve out

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#1677140 - 09/19/10 10:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: reddog964]
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Wish I would of went to Church! instead I went to the Range..
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#1677141 - 09/19/10 10:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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josebd, I see you peeking. w00t

What a good laugh to end my week end..thanks.
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#1677142 - 09/19/10 10:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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I really like my A.R.M.S high rings. My scope is a 30 mm, and that is the only way they come. But, you can get bushings to go from 30 mm to 1". However, if you don't like to spend $40 on rings, them you won't want these. They are pretty spendy. I think a Burris PEPR would be worth a look.

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#1677143 - 09/19/10 10:16 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: reddog964]
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Wish I would of went to Church! instead I went to the Range..


I did that before I went to church Kevin.... tt2

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#1677148 - 09/19/10 10:20 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Ill give ya $100 for the rifle.

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#1677149 - 09/19/10 10:21 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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...he says the lst 5 shots that i shot were an inch and a half apart.


At 100 yards? That's about as good a group as you'll get with UMC FMJ in most rifles.

It's fine for getting a rough zero, though.

Zero about 2 inches high at 100, then go get some better ammo and see what you can do.

Buy a Burris PEPR mount, if you're going to keep the AR it's a small investment.
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#1677152 - 09/19/10 10:23 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Evil_Lurker]
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it shouldnt keep walking up and to the the right

and when i can afford that 70$ mount i might buy one


Edited by CD82 (09/19/10 10:24 PM)

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#1677158 - 09/19/10 10:26 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Originally Posted By: reddog964
Wish I would of went to Church! instead I went to the Range..


I did that before I went to church Kevin.... tt2


I was going too But I was having too much Fun... So I was late and Missed out!
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#1677160 - 09/19/10 10:29 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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theres a bunch of good advice to consider and several good laughs here as well CD82,be sure to keep us posted. good night all.
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#1677166 - 09/19/10 10:34 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Hooked]
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Good night Mr. Hooked... smile

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#1677177 - 09/19/10 10:42 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Evil_Lurker]
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Ya see, this is what happens when everybody and their brothers are shooting those 1/4" groups all day long. Me and Mr. CD82 feel bad cause we can only shoot 1 1/2" groups.

It ain't fair I'm tellin ya. Not fair at all.
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#1677182 - 09/19/10 10:45 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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it shouldnt keep walking up and to the the right

and when i can afford that 70$ mount i might buy one


It very well could and probably would if you're resting the barrel on the bags. Bad technique there.
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#1677187 - 09/19/10 10:48 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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Ya see, this is what happens when everybody and their brothers are shooting those 1/4" groups all day long. Me and Mr. CD82 feel bad cause we can only shoot 1 1/2" groups.

It ain't fair I'm tellin ya. Not fair at all.


Larry that picture of that group I posted was what my 7 year old son shot... lol

I think I need to get him to work with me a little bit on my technique! laugh

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#1677188 - 09/19/10 10:49 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Originally Posted By: doggin coyotes
Ya see, this is what happens when everybody and their brothers are shooting those 1/4" groups all day long. Me and Mr. CD82 feel bad cause we can only shoot 1 1/2" groups.

It ain't fair I'm tellin ya. Not fair at all.


Larry that picture of that group I posted was what my 7 year old son shot... lol

I think I need to get him to work with me a little bit on my technique! laugh


Im right there with ya....

Chad

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#1677190 - 09/19/10 10:50 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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I'll pay him good money if he'll help me Chad. smile
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#1677191 - 09/19/10 10:50 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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ok well ill try not to do that when i go out the next time. ill also grab some different ammo i dont know. how well winchester .223 ammo is. but i thought i might try that.

there was a card in the case of my gun talking about. how my rifle was designed and accuracy tested. using Remington ammo is that something to get someone to buy Remington ammo?

it does not say which type of there ammo.

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#1677196 - 09/19/10 10:55 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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Yeah, Chad, them darn kids sure can shoot! My 12 year old is a heck of a shot, too. Now don't make me feel worse and tell me he did that without optics!

Also, CD82, I think you will see some improvement if you set the forearm on the bags, too. Good Luck.

Keep us posted.

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#1677203 - 09/19/10 11:00 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: kevlars]
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wow i feel bad a 7 year old can out shoot me.with an AR darn the bad luck

im to used to bolt guns one holeing othere peoples shots.

like i can with my 22

now with this carbine style barrel i have on the ar. could that have any effect on it? i dont see how really chad an his sons with reloads does good. but is that a posibility

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#1677207 - 09/19/10 11:05 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Follow the ALL ABOVE directions (well most anyway) and You will do Fine! I know you can do it...
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#1677212 - 09/19/10 11:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82
i just got off the phone with my buddy who was shooting the gun also. he says the lst 5 shots that i shot were an inch and a half apart.

i was aiming at the bullzeye and eatch shot was above the bullseye. walking up and to the right

could be the mounts everything is tight


THIS MAY BE WAAAYYYY OUTSIDE THE BOX BUT HERE GOES.. scared .......walking up and to the right Is your AR 15 Semi Automatic or

Full Auto ??? Does it shoot one bullet for every pull of the trigger or does it shoot a 3-round burst?? Maybe even empty the mag ??

I had to ask... somehow I think something is not right behind the scope. lol

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#1677217 - 09/19/10 11:24 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: reddog964]
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Im just kidding CD....I shot that group...I just thought it was a good time for a laugh in the conversation...My son is an outstanding shot for his age though...That carbine barrel will shoot just as good as the rest...Like Evil Lurker stated before 1 1/2 groups with that type ammo you are using is probably as good as its going to get until you get some better ammo....I will tell you one thing though that is not helping the situation at all and thats that stock pieace of crap trigger that comes on the DPMS, so right there alone is probably 1/2 inch of your problem...I put a Rock River National Match trigger in mine and let me tell ya, It was a big difference....Keep that rifle and when you get some extra money put you a good mount on it and then get you another trigger and some good ammo....It will be a different animal, I promise!!! Hang in there buddy!!! wink


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#1677220 - 09/19/10 11:26 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: eneranch]
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its not 3 round or fully i dont have a class 3 ffl

its semi im not emptying the clip i said in an earlier post im not shooting fast at all

anyway

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#1677225 - 09/19/10 11:28 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Sorry I double posted from the post above... grin

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#1677231 - 09/19/10 11:32 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: eneranch]
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somehow I think something is not right behind the scope. lol







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#1677235 - 09/19/10 11:36 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: huntsman22]
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yeha ok its behind the behind the barrel

i dont know how to shoot a gun

i came here for help not to be criticized

anyway if the gun is shooting like that for 2 shooters yeap its behind the scope

so im sure yall have had fun ill take my issues elsewhere

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#1677238 - 09/19/10 11:38 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Try asking at ar15.com. Those guys can shirley help ya out.
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#1677242 - 09/19/10 11:42 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: huntsman22]
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nope thye think you should spend 1 to 2k on building one or it wont shoot right anyway

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#1677246 - 09/19/10 11:47 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Maybe ask for a guy named '2muchgun' over there. If he's over there he'll plumb ya right up. He ain't like the rest of those snooty-build'em guys.....
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#1677249 - 09/19/10 11:50 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Ok for the love of god they are called MAGS not "clips"
Sorry that just bugs the crap out of me! Kinda like the people that call them Assault Rifles! cursing

Are you right or left handed? And honestly how good can you shoot a bolt action? I find it hard to belive that if you can one hole shots with a bolt action none the less with a .22 and your having this much trouble with your AR.

And don't take it to heart what some guys say on here alot of it is just for fun! Also buy some good ammo and stop blaming the rifle for not shooting the second cheapest ammo into .5 MOA. Well unless your bolt gun can do it then sell the AR I will send you $300 right now for it! thumbup



Edited by dmpowder (09/19/10 11:56 PM)

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#1677252 - 09/19/10 11:52 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: dmpowder]
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Maybe it's really the ladder-on-a-chair mount and $50 dollar scope that he paid $80 too much for after all......
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#1677254 - 09/19/10 11:55 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82
nope thye think you should spend 1 to 2k on building one or it wont shoot right anyway



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#1677255 - 09/19/10 11:56 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: dmpowder]
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well im setting here typing to yall and telling you what the gun is doing.

if you want to think otherwise do so but not only is it doing it for me but someone else also. he said the inch an half groups prob as good as it will get with the barrel. and ammo

ive got a savage mark 2 22 i can one hole a target at 75 yards i can also shoot a bird off a branch at 75 yards with the same gun

ok there mags my mistake im only human excuse me now like i said ill go elsewhere and it wont be ar15.com

i guess ive became a bother to yall so im out have fun pokin fun and making a mockery out of people

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#1677256 - 09/19/10 11:56 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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yeah its the 10$ scope enjoy guys

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#1677261 - 09/20/10 12:04 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Heck man stick around, it will get better! Just do a few things that were suggested and you might be supprised.. lot of good help here!

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#1677264 - 09/20/10 12:08 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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What do you want us to tell you????? Yes it's the rifle and you should send it back??

Their are too many AR shooters on this forum to know they shoot better then what you are saying. Again it's a new rifle and you will need some rounds down the tube before it starts to settle down. Then you need to buy some good ammo and take that dam base off and see what it does and if you still don't like it sell it!

And by the way this is a great forum alot guys are just jumpy because they have to work in the morning! grin It's all in fun don't take it too serious.



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#1677273 - 09/20/10 12:15 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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Originally Posted By: Chad Walk
Im just kidding CD....I shot that group...I just thought it was a good time for a laugh in the conversation...My son is an outstanding shot for his age though...That carbine barrel will shoot just as good as the rest...Like Evil Lurker stated before 1 1/2 groups with that type ammo you are using is probably as good as its going to get until you get some better ammo....I will tell you one thing though that is not helping the situation at all and thats that stock pieace of crap trigger that comes on the DPMS, so right there alone is probably 1/2 inch of your problem...I put a Rock River National Match trigger in mine and let me tell ya, It was a big difference....Keep that rifle and when you get some extra money put you a good mount on it and then get you another trigger and some good ammo....It will be a different animal, I promise!!! Hang in there buddy!!! wink


Chad


I dont think you read my last post so I brought it on down....Like reddogg said,We are here to help...Dont go away like this....After you get the hang of this AR thing you will probably be telling us whats up... wink Our intentions is to not run anyone off...Serious!

Chad

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#1677283 - 09/20/10 12:33 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chad Walk]
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haha i remember my initiation here at pm lol!

honestly i know you dont want to hear this but here it goes.
i had a bsa scope that was over tweaked and it was doing the same thing yours is! 1 shot was to the left next shot was high left and the next shot......well we wont say what happened on the third shot.
i think your scope is screwy! even if you used and old one and it was doing the same thing i would bet that both were just warped scopes! take it to a smitty! he can help ya! but i promise....its your 130 dollar scope!


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#1677286 - 09/20/10 12:37 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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Lon, did you and CD go to the same school? just wonderin'.....
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#1677291 - 09/20/10 12:41 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: huntsman22]
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yes,
yes we did!


Edited by lon0121 (09/20/10 01:44 AM)
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#1677292 - 09/20/10 12:41 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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my money is on something is tweaked. the riser may have him having it adjusted to far to one end or possibly putting both scopes in a bind. Same problem with 2 scopes so I would look at the riser, me and every one else on here is willing to bet a pay check it isn't the gun
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#1677293 - 09/20/10 12:42 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mike2]
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my money is on something is tweaked. the riser may have him having it adjusted to far to one end or possibly putting both scopes in a bind. Same problem with 2 scopes so I would look at the riser, me and every one else on here is willing to bet a pay check it isn't the gun


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#1677294 - 09/20/10 12:44 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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there is no way 2 scopes do the same thing on one rifle im sorry

its not the scopes or scope

and this isnt any kind of initiation this is trying to make someone look like a fool. im not down for that chad its not you. could be the loads could be the mounts i dont know an i dont care.

i made a msitake by posting here cause all ive done is catch a bunch of [beeep] for it and badmouthing

maybe im so used to bolt guns i want that type of shooting. i wanted to try an ar and so far its not working out for me. weather its ammo or rings or mounts an inch and a half group at 100 yards with fmjs. someone said earlier thats as good as im going to get with that ammo. ok then so be it ill try something else.

anyway im not going to set here an let someone dog me over this. if people dont want to reply with anything helpful or something then dont reply.

there is no sence in flamming someone

now there have been some great replys to this thread

ive found out ive done couple of things wrong like restng the barrel on the bags insted of the handguard.

using the magizine as a rest also

those were things i was doing and have been told they were wrong

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#1677298 - 09/20/10 12:48 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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hey cd,

come on man! this place isnt like that! guys might poke here and there with a laugh but it happends to all of us! of the guys get frustrated with you just ignore them! im just guessing is all because what your saying is what happened to me when my scopes wer tweaked! you will figure out whats wrong with it!

lonnie
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#1677304 - 09/20/10 01:01 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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and as far as the trigger goes when the time comes if i keep the gun. i think i might get a j&p adjustable trigger i think it is

but for now the trigger is ok for me

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#1677334 - 09/20/10 01:43 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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should i try a different grain bullet maybe? like a 40 grain or so?

i think that barrel is a 1 in 9 twist if im not mistaking

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#1677336 - 09/20/10 01:50 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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i personaly shoot 55gr psp rounds out of my single shot .223 and it holds nicely. id personaly take it to a gunsmith!
good luck to yA!


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#1677339 - 09/20/10 02:01 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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i could very well be jerking when i shoot also. but i dunno

whne i can ill take it to gun smith i guess an see if something is tweaked

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#1677364 - 09/20/10 06:37 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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well i see you still havent said anything about cleaning the bore,good luck rookie

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#1677392 - 09/20/10 08:11 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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CD, Lock this abortion down. Go back to page 1 and 2, where there were members that were willing to help and use that advise.
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#1677406 - 09/20/10 08:32 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: rpc55]
CD82 Offline
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CD, Lock this abortion down. Go back to page 1 and 2, where there were members that were willing to help and use that advise.


page one is talking about resighting the gunin and.
strating at a lower yardage to get it paper.
page 2 is talking about the scope which once again i know is not the problem.

im on paper i got inch and half groups at 100 yards using 55 grain FMJs umc ammo

prob could use more practice

there is some good advice on this post i have not been back to the range yet.

i still plan on trying to get a different mount set up

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#1677413 - 09/20/10 08:41 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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you have way more patience than I do, and i'm not talking about the gun.
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#1677415 - 09/20/10 08:43 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: rpc55]
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well its not me and because there is another shooter and its doing it for two scopes??? anyway yall keep thinking its me or the scope

ok someone shut this post down im done here

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#1677498 - 09/20/10 11:46 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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well its not me and because there is another shooter and its doing it for two scopes??? anyway yall keep thinking its me or the scope

ok someone shut this post down im done here




yes you should be done here! the ones that are willing to help have already spoken, take it to your smith and he will be able to steer you in the right direction!
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#1677500 - 09/20/10 11:49 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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are you jerking your shot? or moving the gun when you shoot?


Edited by lon0121 (09/20/10 12:02 PM)
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#1677508 - 09/20/10 11:55 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Originally Posted By: CD82
Originally Posted By: rpc55
CD, Lock this abortion down. Go back to page 1 and 2, where there were members that were willing to help and use that advise.


page one is talking about resighting the gunin and.
strating at a lower yardage to get it paper.
page 2 is talking about the scope which once again i know is not the problem.

im on paper i got inch and half groups at 100 yards using 55 grain FMJs umc ammo

prob could use more practice

there is some good advice on this post i have not been back to the range yet.

i still plan on trying to get a different mount set up


fmj's are fine for sighting in your gun! i used 55 grain fmj's from hornady 55 grain to sight mine in! then i went to the remington 55 grain psp rounds for hunting! both hit near identical in groups!
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#1677534 - 09/20/10 01:09 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: josebd]
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well i see you still havent said anything about cleaning the bore,good luck rookie


LOL
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#1677536 - 09/20/10 01:15 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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CD


I had some problems a while back, similar to yours. I bought this a Cabelas, and it solved all my problems. I think my scope was being tweaked, for lack of a better word. Good luck

Wheeler Professional Scope Mounting Kits
Item:QL-229685 at Cabelas


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#1677552 - 09/20/10 01:32 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Coyotejunki]
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Originally Posted By: Coyotejunki
Originally Posted By: josebd
well i see you still havent said anything about cleaning the bore,good luck rookie


LOL



not helping at all!
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#1677555 - 09/20/10 01:37 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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I actually had this problem on my r-15 in 204 ruger. After using this kit and putting the scope back on, I was able to shoot 1/2 moa at 100 yds. But like an idiot I sold the gun, to get another rifle I did not need. I sure do miss that gun. Too many guns so little cash.


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#1677556 - 09/20/10 01:39 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mark2]
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man,
i wish id still had some of the guns i let go growing up!
i basically gave some away.....good shooters too!
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#1677557 - 09/20/10 01:41 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mark2]
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The worst time was on my old H&R 243. They drilled tapped and mounted the base from the factory crooked as a [beeep]. I could see just with the naked eye it was all wrong.I tried using the millet rings with the adjustment, but it just did not shot good enough for me, so I sold that one too. It also had firing pin issues, but thats another story. Sorry to keep rambling.


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#1677559 - 09/20/10 01:42 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mark2]
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Originally Posted By: Mark2
The worst time was on my old H&R 243. They drilled tapped and mounted the base from the factory crooked as a [beeep]. I could see just with the naked eye it was all wrong.I tried using the millet rings with the adjustment, but it just did not shot good enough for me, so I sold that one too. It also had firing pin issues, but thats another story. Sorry to keep rambling.


Mark2




buddy,
dont we have an expensive hobby lol! wink
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#1677560 - 09/20/10 01:46 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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Yup, its like woman, you have to try them all, before you find the right one. Well maybe not all, but as many as you can. LOL


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#1677563 - 09/20/10 01:51 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mark2]
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Yup, its like woman, you have to try them all, before you find the right one. Well maybe not all, but as many as you can. LOL


Mark2



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#1677575 - 09/20/10 02:18 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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CD,

OK...Everyone take a breath and lets look at the problem.

It's probably not the scope itself that's causing you grief. Especially since it was true on another rifle.

It VERY well COULD be the ammo. I know Remigton 55 psp's are all over the paper in any one of my AR's but shoot lights out through my Savage bolt gun.

It well could be the mounting system. Try another. Or take the whole thing off & apart & start from scratch. Avoid binds on anything & line your crosshairs up.

It very well could be your shooting style off the bench as well. Make sure that the only thing resting on the bag is the forearm, anot any portion of the barrel.

Also let the barrel cool somewhat. 50 rounds will get a barrel too hot to touch & may cause stringing in the groups.

A chain is only as strong as the weakest link, so you have pay mind to EVERYTHING that may contribute to inaccuracy.
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#1677615 - 09/20/10 03:40 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: rockinbbar]
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Originally Posted By: rockinbbar
CD,

OK...Everyone take a breath and lets look at the problem.

It's probably not the scope itself that's causing you grief. Especially since it was true on another rifle.

It VERY well COULD be the ammo. I know Remigton 55 psp's are all over the paper in any one of my AR's but shoot lights out through my Savage bolt gun.

It well could be the mounting system. Try another. Or take the whole thing off & apart & start from scratch. Avoid binds on anything & line your crosshairs up.

It very well could be your shooting style off the bench as well. Make sure that the only thing resting on the bag is the forearm, anot any portion of the barrel.

Also let the barrel cool somewhat. 50 rounds will get a barrel too hot to touch & may cause stringing in the groups.

A chain is only as strong as the weakest link, so you have pay mind to EVERYTHING that may contribute to inaccuracy.


good point, i forgot to mention my psp rounds are out of my single shot .223 not ar. also i didnt think of the barrel heating up! bet that might answers some problems as well?


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#1677735 - 09/20/10 06:55 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: rockinbbar]
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Originally Posted By: rockinbbar
CD,

OK...Everyone take a breath and lets look at the problem.

It's probably not the scope itself that's causing you grief. Especially since it was true on another rifle.

It VERY well COULD be the ammo. I know Remigton 55 psp's are all over the paper in any one of my AR's but shoot lights out through my Savage bolt gun.

It well could be the mounting system. Try another. Or take the whole thing off & apart & start from scratch. Avoid binds on anything & line your crosshairs up.

It very well could be your shooting style off the bench as well. Make sure that the only thing resting on the bag is the forearm, anot any portion of the barrel.

Also let the barrel cool somewhat. 50 rounds will get a barrel too hot to touch & may cause stringing in the groups.

A chain is only as strong as the weakest link, so you have pay mind to EVERYTHING that may contribute to inaccuracy.




thanks for the info

and as far as fast shooting it in reply to some others
i never did that id fire about 2 or 3 rounds and stop
i was loading 5 rds at a time in the mag
i going to try some different ammo this weekend get away from some fmjs



i also noticed looking down the gun the handgurad is twisted to the right some what
im wondering if something else could be twisted an causing my issue?

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#1677758 - 09/20/10 07:29 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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Cd

When I first shoot a gun, I don't worry so much about how close to center I am, I want to see how well it groups. If you aim at the same spot each time 3 shots in a row, how tight are the groups.

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#1677761 - 09/20/10 07:38 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mark2]
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Loc: Abilene,Texas
mark they are an inch and a half apart like ive stated before

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#1677765 - 09/20/10 07:44 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
Mark2 Offline
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Sorry, I must have missed that post, I thought I read all 8 pages of posts. Just trying to help.



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#1677766 - 09/20/10 07:48 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Mark2]
CD82 Offline
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its not a problem im sure everyone is confused by now

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#1677768 - 09/20/10 07:50 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
CD82 Offline
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i called a shooting shop today on my lunch break he told me i need to. trying something else besides fmjs he said its probily that ammo.


and i also noticed my handguard is slatend to the right a bit im wondering if something could be twisted

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#1677885 - 09/20/10 10:01 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
reddog964 Offline
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I dont know what handguard you got on it but more than likely it is not the problem!

Try some good ammo and rest on the forearm like I stated before, not the barrel! and see how she does.. glade you got it on paper and when you can afford it get a good mount like a PERP or RockRiver which might be in your price range and is a good mount.

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#1677889 - 09/20/10 10:03 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: reddog964]
CD82 Offline
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yeah im going to try an get the mount the burris one or something if i can sell my 45 im done with the pistol

ill get another pistol some day prob a 9mm in springfield xd

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#1677891 - 09/20/10 10:06 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
lon0121 Offline
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good luck cd.
i know this sighting in crap can get frustrating!
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#1677919 - 09/20/10 10:42 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
CD82 Offline
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but im going back out this weekend so ill try it again

i plan on trying to take it by the gun smith this week

and if i can sell my pistol i will probily buy that burris mount or something like it

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#1677981 - 09/21/10 12:26 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
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Originally Posted By: lon0121

i know this sighting in crap can get frustrating!


I can't say that I've ever found *sighting in* frustrating.

In fact I've always enjoyed it. I find a certain satisfaction in starting off with a new rig, not knowing exactly where it's going to hit with the first pull of the trigger, to knowing precisely where it's going to hit with every pull of the trigger.

But I also don't ever recall it taking me more than about 6 to 8 rounds to get one sighted in either. I most likely would get frustrated after 50 rounds down range and still ain't got er done. Guess I've been lucky. wink
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#1678003 - 09/21/10 01:28 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
CD82 Offline
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on my bolt guns it didnt take many rounds eaither

ill have to start all over with them since i yanked the scopes off them.


i also thought of trying a lower grain bullet in the ar like a 40 grain or something but i plan on grabbing a box of hornadys

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#1678078 - 09/21/10 08:55 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: lon0121]
howling Offline
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Just a thought when you shoot your AR give it like 2-3 minutes to cool down between shots.

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#1678737 - 09/22/10 10:15 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: howling]
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About how many rounds do you have down the tube. I say this because most of my ares really didn't start grouping under an inch and half until I had around 200+ down the tube. 1 1/2 with fmj is not bad. get some black hills and see what they will do.

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#1679057 - 09/22/10 07:44 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: deaddogwalkin]
CD82 Offline
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yeah the black hills ill have to order i thoguht i might try hornady first but i hear alot of good things about black hills

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#1679154 - 09/22/10 09:49 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
Chupathingy Offline
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I tried the Hornady's today in my Bushy O.R.C. and after the barrel got fouled a little I got under MOA with them.


Chupa

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#1679272 - 09/22/10 11:39 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Chupathingy]
CD82 Offline
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ok i had mentioned earlier about my handguard issue saying it was tiwsted. so i have replace the handguard and it is still twisted the new one is.

i really thing the barrel might be tiwsted in some sort of way

the pics are not the best but here is couple

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii142/CD82_photos/ar-15/DSCN0168.jpg

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii142/CD82_photos/ar-15/DSCN0167.jpg

i can try an get a better one but the second one if u look hard enough u can tell its twisted to the right

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#1679308 - 09/23/10 12:30 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
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There are so many responses here that I just glanced through them and this may have alredy been covered. You might to check your scope to make sure the reticles are optically centered before you mount.

1. If the scope has an AO adjustment, dial it to infinity.

2. If it has variable power, dial it to the lowest setting

3. Get a flat mirror and place it under a light

4. Place the end of the scope on the mirror and adjust your
distance from the eyepiece until you see two sets of reticles.(you probably will)

5. If you see two sets, then the reticles are not centered. Adjust the windage and elevation knobs until the two sets of reticles are lined up on top of each other.

6. Once they are aligned on top of each other they are optically centered.

Shoot a 25 yard target and see what you get.

If you are way out and you run out of reticle adjustment you might try to recenter it and move your POI with adjustable rings first.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-zee-s...tyle-bases.html


http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-signature-pos-align-offset-insert-kits-individual-inserts.html

Just my two cents.......and it looks like that might make a dollar now on this thread.

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#1679326 - 09/23/10 12:45 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Gman757]
CD82 Offline
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i did the mirrior and the reticale thing an got them stright.

but i still think something is bent or something isnt right. cause im looking down the falt top of the gun and. its not even with the gasblock looks like its off. also looks like the gas tube might be bent some aswell.

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#1681034 - 09/25/10 08:30 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: doggin coyotes]
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Originally Posted By: doggin coyotes
Originally Posted By: lon0121

i know this sighting in crap can get frustrating!


I can't say that I've ever found *sighting in* frustrating.

...


I'm a bolt guy and it seldom takes more than a half dozen rounds for me to sight one of them in. A couple at 25 and the rest at 100. However, with my first AR and scope, it was not so easy. One trip to the range, one trip here for advise and the next trip to the range did it.

The second AR was a breeze with the iron sights and the directions that DPMS sends with the gun. The second time with that AR and iron sights was another story. I thought I remembered what the directions said but I was wrong.

The bottom line for me is with the scope and barrel in different time zones like they are on an AR, it is a whole new ball game. There's a lot of good advise here!
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#1681117 - 09/25/10 10:48 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: TwoDogs]
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Registered: 02/27/05
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If you ever get out towards Mineral Wells I would be glad to help you out with your AR, I get out to Abilene sometimes maybe we could get together so I could help you out...

CD HAVE YOU EVER CLEANED YOUR BORE?

This has been asked several times you haven't answered yet... Your rifle could be seriously copper fouled...

I have used the Bushnell Trophy 3x9 before it is a decent scope not the greatest glass but it would hold zero fine... I have also used them on AR's in the past with no issue...

Don't worry about the handguards being canted this will not affect accuracy.

If you don't have the proper stuff to clean your weapon take it to the shooting shop and have them do it... I am sure he will for a small price.
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#1681985 - 09/27/10 08:29 AM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: casterbuster]
CD82 Offline
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i didnt get to mess with it this last weekend it poured rain all day saturday. and sunday it was just to muddy to get out to the shootin range.

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#1682296 - 09/27/10 06:20 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: CD82]
howling Offline
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HAVE YOU CLEANED YOUR AR YET! Especially the riflings?

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#1682506 - 09/27/10 10:22 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: howling]
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Still offering $100 to take that gun off your hands.

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#1682534 - 09/27/10 10:42 PM Re: Range Report Help!! asap [Re: Rubenator]
CD82 Offline
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Rube in your dreams

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