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#1616725 - 06/13/10 02:39 AM Culling dogs......
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Registered: 04/30/10
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Loc: Spring City, Utah
On another site there was a topic....a guy was asking if he should cull his dog for barking in the kennel? I thought this was pretty amazing but im an idiot so here is my question......

What do you cull your dogs for?
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#1616731 - 06/13/10 03:20 AM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: poser]
mtcurman Offline
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I heard of a guy who culled all the brindle pups he had! That don't sound right to me. mad
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#1616804 - 06/13/10 11:07 AM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: mtcurman]
A Dana Offline
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Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 78
Loc: BC Canada
I would cull a dog that contnualy barked in the kennel despite my best efforts..as good a reason as any really.


I'll tell you a story.

Friday the family drove a few hours to watch a chukar championship....pro field trial.

there were dogs from all over BC, Canada,and even some big boys from the states.

I was talking with an old timer who came from Vancouver island he was interested in hounds. He ended up being from same town as a friend of mine.

he did not know my friend but knew his dogs by thier constant barking....he lives several blocks away. Said dave was lucky a nieghbour had not poisoned them yet.

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#1617071 - 06/13/10 07:47 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: A Dana]
Devin69 Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1467
Loc: Craig Colorado
All the dogs we have today are a result of hard culling of color,shape and size and a certian job they were required to do. IMO
Alot of guys talk about how good the old time dogs were. Culling is the reason why. IMO They did not just breed and breed a dog, they had to prove themselves before they were worthy of breeding and even then, sometimes they only let a very few pups out to the public, most of them went to guys that would hunt the hide off them and could tell if they were worth breeding a second time.
I don't believe you get super stars every litter you have.
If you hunt hard and cull hard you will come up with something.
Dustballs and I were talking on the phone the other night and the subject came up of a companion/hunting dog.My question is can anyone make a compainion/hunting dog at the same time or should you see if he is worthy of a hunting dog first then become attached to him as a companion dog?
Dustballs and I never did discuss that but maybe someone could shed some light. For me the dog must prove itself before it could become a companion/hunting dog.Otherwise you would be too attached to it to cull it if it didn't make a hunting dog.
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#1617105 - 06/13/10 08:36 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: Devin69]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Good questions.

I think we can all agree that animals that do not measure up relative to the needs we have should be sterilized (that is most all) and some need to be put down.

The controversy is most likely to center around what we as individuals want an animal(s) to be/do.

Seems okay to me. Different strokes for different folks.
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#1617109 - 06/13/10 08:41 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: DoubleCK]
Devin69 Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1467
Loc: Craig Colorado
So are you saying if the dog does not make it as a hunting dog then it will still have a place as a pet?
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#1617130 - 06/13/10 09:06 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: Devin69]
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Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 1592
Loc: Manti, UT
I've bit my tongue on this subject for a while, especially when I see alot of folks getting hunting (decoy) dogs as pets and hunting companions. If the dog doesn't make the grade as a hunting dog and its already sleeping at the foot of the bed, its fair to say its not going anywhere. I don't have a problem with folks doing what they want with their own dogs, but when you start seeing litters out of dogs that shouldn't be reproducing and touted as "finished" or "solid" dogs its a shame.

While not everyone has the stomach to cull a dog that needs it, there shouldn't be any question as to the necessity of culling to maintain solid hunting stock. Of course everyone is going to have a different expectation for their dogs, in their situation, but indiscriminate breeding is what leads to dogs that don't make the grade on a more consistent basis than a proven pair that atleast gives the litter an honest shot at making a dog.

Back to the initial question, would I cull a dog for something that trivial, No, especially if I hadn't exhausted every other means of correction. Now if a dog were acting that way and he already had strikes against him for other problems, yeah that may seal the deal.
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#1617139 - 06/13/10 09:16 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: Workman]
coloradobob Offline
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 394
Loc: Massachusetts
Culling for barking? Are you kidding me? Sounds like someone should get a cat or maybe a barking collar. Sheese!!
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#1617169 - 06/13/10 09:50 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: coloradobob]
Dustballs Offline
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Registered: 03/14/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Wyoming
I doubt I would cull a dog for barking in the kennel.

When I got my female Catahoula the intention was to have a decoy dog and a companion. As I was putting the time into her I pretty much had a cull on my hands. But the problem with culling was the two little boys at home. I bought a made dog from Duane and that helped my situation alot and she has turned out pretty good. For what I do my dogs are super stars in my eyes, but might be culls in others.


To answer Devins question IMHO what I want a dog for it will need to hunt first then we can be companions. I didnt like the feeling of having a dog that wasnt performing the way I wanted it knowing I would have to take care of it the rest of its life or tell the boys the dog was gone.

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#1617172 - 06/13/10 09:53 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: coloradobob]
yfzduner450 Offline
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Registered: 07/07/08
Posts: 1584
Loc: West Jordan, Utah
This is a very loaded question about companion/hunting dogs. I believe no two people will ever agree on what they want outta a dog or what makes the cut. Their are too many different people in different situations to generalize them. As for me, i would never buy a dog from a "recreational" hunter. For me, i want the best bloodlines in the dog, i can possibly get. That being said, i'm a "recreational" hunter and will never breed any of my dogs. I don't think you can know if the dog "has it" in 1 weekend a month during the winter time. So for me, companion has to come first and then hunter. I will never cull a dog as long as it is a great companion. Although i wouldn't breed it either. Just my 2 cents.

Now for the culling dogs, i have no problem culling a dog for aggression towards people or other dogs if i've done everything i can do. I usually give my dogs 2 strikes, first strike gets them a harsh punishment and strike 2 is game over.
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#1617205 - 06/13/10 10:28 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: yfzduner450]
Devin69 Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1467
Loc: Craig Colorado
Originally Posted By: yfzduner450
This is a very loaded question about companion/hunting dogs. I believe no two people will ever agree on what they want outta a dog or what makes the cut. Their are too many different people in different situations to generalize them. As for me, i would never buy a dog from a "recreational" hunter. For me, i want the best bloodlines in the dog, i can possibly get. That being said, i'm a "recreational" hunter and will never breed any of my dogs. I don't think you can know if the dog "has it" in 1 weekend a month during the winter time. So for me, companion has to come first and then hunter. I will never cull a dog as long as it is a great companion. Although i wouldn't breed it either. Just my 2 cents.

Now for the culling dogs, i have no problem culling a dog for aggression towards people or other dogs if i've done everything i can do. I usually give my dogs 2 strikes, first strike gets them a harsh punishment and strike 2 is game over.

No really it is not a loaded question at all. I was not asking to prove your dog to anyone. You know if the dog is a cull and if it is working for you then it is not a cull to you.
Dustballs was very honest and said the pup he got was not turning out as he had hoped. That is a tough situation for him because his boys are now involved. But I believe that if it was not turning out as a hunting dog and he made it a companion dog, that he would not show it as a hunting dog and would never breed it as such.
Culling does not mean you have to kill the dog. It does mean you take it out of the possition of a hunting dog and never represent it as such.
I know alot of dogs that have never made it as hunting dogs and that were gave to a family or person that wanted a companion dog. But it was never bred and never represented as a hunting dog ever again.
If a dog is aggresive towards a person it NEVER gets a second strike with me and will never be another persons problem.
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#1617218 - 06/13/10 10:45 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: Devin69]
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Registered: 07/07/08
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I always thought the meaning of cull was the kill. I still have a ton to learn and thank you for clearing that up.

What i was talking about the loaded question is about what it takes for a dog to "make it". Everyone has a different idea of what their ideal decoy dog is. I don't believe two people hunt the exact same way. The point i'm trying to make is what i think is a super star, you might think the dog it's worth feeding.

I'm very new to this whole decoy dog stuff, so if i'm totally out of line with it all just let me know. My experience with dogs comes from bird dogs and i feel there are alot of differences but alot of the same.
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#1617241 - 06/13/10 11:15 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: Devin69]
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
good one devin, i have dogs that if they stopped hunting today would still be around when they die because they are like our kids, wouldnt breed them or try to sell pups out of them but they would get to stay. if mine dont show me what i want to see while their working then they wont get bred or passed off as a hunter, like you said everyone is going to grade a dog different but most everyone should know if they should breed a dog for hunting reasons, if a dog only see's 3 or 4 coyotes a winter then in my deal thats not a hunter, even if they have it in them their not being hunted so how do you know if they are a good one, just like we were talking the other day, my dogs dont get to decoy as much as they use to but they still get to trail, fight, find in traps, den, and work under the plane on about 500 ayear, plus hogs and beaver, to me they are getting hunted, but not decoying near as many as yours, we all use them different and verying amounts of time, but if one of my reg dogs thats not "one of the kids" isnt working out like i want, well he will be stopping erosion somewhere, i wont sell him to somebody as a solid dog or keep them to breed
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#1617244 - 06/13/10 11:18 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: yfzduner450]
Devin69 Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1467
Loc: Craig Colorado
No I think you are exactly right.I know for sure my dogs would certainly be trash to everyone else.I was just trying to get at, if a guy is honest with himself, he will know if the dog is a cull to him or not and if it is do you cull it and make it a pet or cull it all together?
My way is far from right and I like to hear what others think is the right thing to do.
Alot of guys on here have companion/hunting dogs, as do I. Do you make the hunting dog first or the companion dog first?
I think it would be harder to make the companion dog first, just is case a guy would have to cull if it didn't make it as a hunting dog.
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#1617250 - 06/13/10 11:28 PM Re: Culling dogs...... [Re: Devin69]
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
i see what your saying about the hunt first then the pet, tough for me cause their with me all day at least 5 days aweek so they become companions pretty easy, but if thier not showing something by 6 or 7 monthes then its still not hard to get rid of one
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