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#1607341 - 05/26/10 07:51 PM Savage .204 for coyotes?
Mallards Only Offline
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Hey guys,
Newbie coyote hunter here. Just purchased a property with a real dog problem and looking to get set up to remove as many as I can. Went and looked at rifles and decided on a Savage .204. Now, I'm wondering if it's got enough firepower. What do you think? Also, any recommendations on scopes and other accessories?


Edited by Mallards Only (05/27/10 10:39 AM)

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#1607351 - 05/26/10 08:11 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
DDJ Offline
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First of all I would love to own property with dog problems. That would certainly full fill some of my entertainment needs! I also love the 204. For a scope any decent 3-9 variable would work and I have to emphasize the word "decent". Keep the combo light. If you reload then 35 Bergers work nicely. I don't shoot factory ammo so can't offer any recommendations there. Have fun and don't shoot them all. Let them reproduce so you can do it again next year. Dave

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#1607579 - 05/27/10 09:37 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: DDJ]
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I know Les Johnson uses 32 grain V-maxes in his .204 but unless you have a lot of experience and can also shoot like him, I'd not recommend them. As DDJ said, 35 gr Bergers are best if you handload. Use the 40 gr V-max if your rifle will shoot them. (Savage .204's are 12 twist which is marginal stabilizing a 40 gr bullet.) Otherwise just try to avoid quartering-on shoulder shots. The fast 32 may splash.
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#1607585 - 05/27/10 09:47 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: tt35]
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"splash??" Not familiar with the term. Fragment?

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#1607605 - 05/27/10 10:20 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Load it with 35 or 40 Bergers and you'll be just fine...

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#1607646 - 05/27/10 11:37 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: GregW]
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Mallards, I've been using a Savage 116 'Weather Warrior' .204 for several years with a 2.8-10x older Simmons Aetek scope and it works well....I seldom ever take it off the lowest setting...I tried a Leupold Rifleman 2-9x but it didn't give the field of view that the Simmons does..

I started out using 40gr Hornady V-Max factory loads and my barrel didn't like the lighter bullet weights....but the rifle would out shoot some of my friends rifles, with them shooting it..For some reason, it did not like the 40gr Bergers that were being produced by HSM..

I now load with 35gr Berger bullets, and am very happy with them...

If you have never shot a coyote before, concentrate on their kill zone, which is a little more forward that many think...Mentally draw a line down the neck and up the front leg and the intersecting spot will take you right into the vitals...



I think many of us are envious of anyone with a "dog problem" piece of property.. thumbup1
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#1607799 - 05/27/10 05:24 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: OldTurtle]
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The term splash is usually referred to when shooting a Coyote sized ammo with a Varmint bullet while the Coyote is at an angle to the shot. The frangible round at high velicity sometimes opens upon hitting the skin making a large wound, but without serious penetration. I have had very few of these happen, But I normally use the 40 Gr Vmax. Like the guys say the Berger may be a good choice for Bullets.
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#1607849 - 05/27/10 07:26 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Orneryolfart357]
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The Berger's sound like a strong choice but I don't reload. So, what market round would be my best bet with a 12 twist--the 32 or 40g V-Max or the 45g SP?

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#1607909 - 05/27/10 09:30 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Loc: Utah
I shoot 40 grain Remington ulatra max's in my .204 and it loves them. But then again, it shoots pretty much all the ammo pretty well. 32 gr. up to 40 gr.

Placement is everything. Find what your gun likes and go with it. THere is more than enough umph to do the job.

C

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#1608038 - 05/28/10 05:11 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: bigc]
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Placement is important, less so with the larger rounds. Lately I've come to just take a 243. I don't think pelt damage is that much different, usually a 'big game' bullet. When hunting a coyote usually doesn't hang around until it offers the perfect pose for a shot. The 243 does the job from any angle. We had some daytime coyotes hanging around late last Summer. After I popped one the rest wised up. I don't think yours will hang around like P-dogs once the shooting starts. It's a fun way to get em in line though.
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#1608222 - 05/28/10 03:45 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: muskrat30]
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Just hunt with it, it will kill just fine. Somebody is always gonna think something is wrong with what others are doing or their bullet, powder, etc. The people that shoot a 17 Remington swear by them. Some people say a 60 grain 223 is best, others 243's. Moral of the story just go kill with it...

People put too much stock in the opinions of complete strangers on the internet...


Edited by MPFD (05/28/10 03:51 PM)
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#1608467 - 05/29/10 01:05 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: MPFD]
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Is the property located in the Kalifornia "lead free" zone?????

This will significantly reduce your bullet choices...
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#1608542 - 05/29/10 10:10 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: philip]
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Originally Posted By: philip
Is the property located in the Kalifornia "lead free" zone?????

This will significantly reduce your bullet choices...

No.

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#1608546 - 05/29/10 10:14 AM Re: Savage .204 for coyotes? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Originally Posted By: Mallards Only
Went and looked at rifles and decided on a Savage .204. Now, I'm wondering if it's got enough firepower. What do you think? Also, any recommendations on scopes and other accessories?

Mallards Only,
Welcome to Predator Masters! thumbup

Are you asking about "enough firepower" for killing power (larger caliber) or repeat fire (semi-auto action)? confused
Semi-autos are great for follow up shots...especially on multiple targets.
As far as killing power, there are 2 variables:
1. A larger caliber will allow for kills and/or follow up shots, with marginal shot placement. (example: 17 Remington vs. .25-06)
Note: I'm not encouraging poor shot placement.
2. Smaller calibers require better shot placement, than with larger calibers...or you're gonna have some "runners". tongue

Don't get too carried away with the scope power. Most coyotes are taken within 100 yards and if you need to take a longer shot, there's usually enough time to turn the scope power up and still take the shot. smile

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
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#1608578 - 05/29/10 11:18 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Originally Posted By: Mallards Only
Originally Posted By: philip
Is the property located in the Kalifornia "lead free" zone?????

This will significantly reduce your bullet choices...

No.



You lucky devil.........


I have 450 acres in the "lead free zone" that is basically useless for varmint hunting now.....
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#1608631 - 05/29/10 02:09 PM Re: Savage .204 for coyotes? [Re: bowhunter57]
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Bowhunter,
My concern was in regards to "killing power." After looking at the limited options in ammunition and bullet choices, I was concerned that maybe the options didn't really have enough ballistic energy to kill a coyote. I know with precise shot placement, you can kill with just about anything. But, I'd like to be ethical if my shots are less than precise too.

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#1608663 - 05/29/10 03:47 PM Re: Savage .204 for coyotes? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Mallards Only,
Reloading makes a huge difference in accuracy, killing power options due to bullet selection and it's always on hand. thumbup1

Just from my own experiences, I've shot several coyotes with a .223 that were running...and they kept on running. Some I found, some kept on going. Granted my shot placement wasn't the best, due to the moving target, but a larger or more powerful rifle would put them down with more authority. Also, I've been using 45gr. JHP box/factory ammo for my .223, instead of reloading a 55gr. bullet weight, which would have better performance and/or higher K.E.

I've recently purchased a Stevens in .25-06, but haven't had the opportunity to take a shot on a coyote to see the increased power difference. From this forum and others that I have talked with in person, tell me that this caliber will put 'em down with authority. I'm hoping to get out and try it soon, to see what this 87gr. BT bullet will do to a coyote @ 3300 f.p.s. sneaky2

Again, these are my experiences and what I'm doing to improve my odds in taking predators.

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
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#1608731 - 05/29/10 07:52 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: philip]
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Originally Posted By: philip
You lucky devil......... I have 450 acres in the "lead free zone" that is basically useless for varmint hunting now.....


Hornady is coming out with a 30 gr NTX 'lead free' bullet for the .204 Ruger.
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#1608967 - 05/30/10 12:23 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: CV32]
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Originally Posted By: CV32
Originally Posted By: philip
You lucky devil......... I have 450 acres in the "lead free zone" that is basically useless for varmint hunting now.....


Hornady is coming out with a 30 gr NTX 'lead free' bullet for the .204 Ruger.



I`ll keep my eye`s open for that one....

Any idea on the twist it will require?????
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#1609907 - 06/01/10 07:54 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: philip]
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Originally Posted By: philip
I`ll keep my eye`s open for that one.... Any idea on the twist it will require?????


I would say the 1-in-12 twist that you typically find in most factory .204 rifles will be just fine.
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#1610018 - 06/01/10 01:16 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: CV32]
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Nosler offers a lead free 32gr BT in Cabelas cataloge.
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#1610072 - 06/01/10 04:47 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: coythtr]
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Thank you California....
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#1610302 - 06/01/10 11:40 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: MPFD]
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Loc: Tacoma, Washington
Cabela's also has the HSM re-manufactured .204 with the 40 grain HP Bergers. Both the 35 and 40 grain Bergers shoot great out of both my CZ's and they're deadly on coyotes.

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#1610308 - 06/01/10 11:49 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: CV32]
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Thanks.....

I`ll keep my eyes open..
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#1610309 - 06/01/10 11:50 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: MPFD]
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Originally Posted By: MPFD
Thank you California....
Its also coming to a State near you unless the NRA and other Gun advocates can stop it. Arizona is also being watched closely and have a voluntary program for those that wish to comply to the Non-lead rules. Its interesting though.. How long before they attack Fishermen?
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#1610326 - 06/02/10 12:41 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Orneryolfart357]
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Fishermen have been under attack for lead sinkers for many years. They haven't got many places to ban them yet but are working on it.

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#1610389 - 06/02/10 08:28 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Jack Roberts]
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Guess you're right Jack... and if it happens, no doubt Kommiefornia will be the first.
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#3241014 - 04/07/20 09:56 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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I've shot plenty of coyotes with my 2 savage .204's. 32gr to 40gr bullets. I mainly use 39gr Sierra and 40gr v max now. And with praire dogs the heavier bullets shoot best for me in the wind. I've had good results using cfe223 or benchmark powders.

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#3241043 - 04/08/20 09:04 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Prairiedogks204]
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Registered: 12/22/13
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HSM has both the 35-40 gr Berger hp.
Federal and Dogtown have 32 or 40 gr Nosler BT.
Sierra ammo will have a 36 gr on the market that could be a real coyote bomb.

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#3241076 - 04/08/20 02:29 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Loc: NE
I think you can find factory 39gr Sierra Blitzkings in some form of ammunition, but not for sure.

People swear by them and they seem to stabilize in 1:12's a little better.

I don't coyote hunt with my .204, just shoot prairie dogs, but I have killed some coyote with my .204 and it for sure is plenty out to 400-500 yds.

I shoot the 40gr Vmax an never had an issue. Good luck and have fun.
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#3241105 - 04/08/20 08:21 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Enough firepower are you kidding,the 204 is a 500 yard yote killer if you can hit them,just point and shoot,if you've done your part DRT.

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#3241107 - 04/08/20 08:24 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: tt35]
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I shoot a 26 grain Hornady Superformance to 300 yards,no splashing here at 4400 fps it drills through the shoulder like a buzzsaw.

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#3241108 - 04/08/20 08:26 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Loc: OH
With all the good factory loadings why reload? HSM,and Hornady ,and Hendershot ammo offer all you'll ever need.

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#3241109 - 04/08/20 08:31 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Acronin]
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HSM,).287 BC 3857 fps,I shot a yote in the rear end ,the hole and dropped him ,DRT @ 100 yards. If I could post pics here I can show dozens and dozens what the 204 can do.Go on LRHF and you'll see plenty of yotes taken by me.THX

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#3241172 - 04/09/20 12:08 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Registered: 11/25/14
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Loc: Montana,USA
204 Ruger is my favorite for coyotes. I shoot the 40 gr. Noslers. I never had one get away yet. This last season was the 3rd season I have used the 204 Ruger. I'm sure I will lose one sooner or later.

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#3241179 - 04/09/20 12:41 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: rudymontana]
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 1715
Loc: so.mn
Rudy, I tried the Nosler 40 BT this winter. I really like them out of my 20p AR. I would like to try the BIB 40, but haven't been able to find 50-100 sample to try. We are just into legal thermal and night vision for coyote here and I think the 20p/204r with a 40 is the way to go for fur at night.

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#3241459 - 04/12/20 09:41 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Registered: 11/25/14
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Loc: Montana,USA
spotstalkshoot- 40 Nosler BT is the bullet for sure for the coyotes I shoot. I've tried many, including the 35 Bergers. Bergers are favorites for many, but I will stick with the 40's.

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#3244303 - 05/13/20 11:10 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Registered: 12/31/02
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I too shoot 35gr Berger. But going to play around with the 40gr Berger. Mine is a 1@10 twist. The 39gr bking is a very good bullet too.

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#3245102 - 05/24/20 10:36 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Posts: 366
Loc: Central OH
Surprised so many are shooting 40 grain bullets out of 1:12” twist .204 barrels. None of my three .204R rifles in that rate will stabilize the 40s, a common problem. 39 Sierra Blitzkings usually do fine.
Someone mentioned factory ammo tipped with those 39 SBKs: Federal Premium discontinued them years ago; I may have scrounged the last boxes produced and still use them on occasion in place of handloads, they shoot that well. I believe the 45 gr. SP Hornadys are not sold anymore either. I’m seriously considering getting out of the reloading “business” someday, and am also eagerly awaiting the aforementioned new 36 grain loaded Sierra ammo.
.204 bullets kill ‘yotes — compare the ballistics, trajectory, wind drift etc. of a 40 grainer with a 55 .22-250. Just steer clear of the plastic-tipped 32s.

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#3245105 - 05/24/20 11:27 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
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Posts: 102
Loc: OH
The 204 is more than adequate for coyotes,mine has a 1 in 10,Thompson center venture. I don't reload ,I've found Hornady and HSM make more than enough loadings for various applications. The 39 Blitz King will be your best bet,@ 3857 fps,and a high BC of 0.287,at a quarter mile it will drop a coyote if you can hit em.I've killed dozens in the last several months,check out LRHF,you'll see ,can't figure out how to load pictures here and have given up.My go to round in Ohio is Hornady 26 gr superformance @4400 fps,out to 300 yards,most shots are 200 or less it flattensem. You'll love the 204,it's laser.

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#3245123 - 05/24/20 04:02 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Ohiolongarm]
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Registered: 12/31/02
Posts: 1871
Loc: ARKANSAS
Originally Posted By: Ohiolongarm
The 204 is more than adequate for coyotes,mine has a 1 in 10,Thompson center venture. I don't reload ,I've found Hornady and HSM make more than enough loadings for various applications. The 39 Blitz King will be your best bet,@ 3857 fps,and a high BC of 0.287,at a quarter mile it will drop a coyote if you can hit em.I've killed dozens in the last several months,check out LRHF,you'll see ,can't figure out how to load pictures here and have given up.My go to round in Ohio is Hornady 26 gr superformance @4400 fps,out to 300 yards,most shots are 200 or less it flattensem. You'll love the 204,it's laser.


I bought a 204 tc venture predator 204. It came with several boxes of HSM 35gr and 40gr Berger ammo. Federal 32gr nosler bt Remington 40gr accu tip factory ammo. I reload . If I didnt reload I would shoot the HSM ammo. I hope they come out with the 36gr bking bullets. I shoot the 39gr bking and 35gr Berger mostly. But going to try some 40gr Berger soon.

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#3245177 - 05/25/20 10:23 AM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: varmit_master]
Ohiolongarm Online
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Registered: 09/01/19
Posts: 102
Loc: OH
The 40 berger will be perfect out to 350,I wouldn't push it beyond that,at that range the ft pounds is plenty and drop is about 16 inches,HSM makes it and the round has been a killer for me at the 300 yard mark,farthest taken in Ohio. And three football field is a poke. Most shots in Ohio are 200 or less.Long range shooters don't overlook a 32 grain v-max at 500 there's enough steam to anchor a coyote with about a 20 inch drop,plenty of ft pounds also.


Edited by Ohiolongarm (05/25/20 10:28 AM)

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#3245416 - 05/27/20 01:47 PM Re: Savage .204 for dogs? [Re: Mallards Only]
varmit_master Offline
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Registered: 12/31/02
Posts: 1871
Loc: ARKANSAS
Hi Ohiolongarm I bought another 204 ruger rifle. It came with 4 boxes HSM 35gr Berger 1.5 box of 40gr Berger . 1.5 federal 32gr nosler bt. 1 box Remington 40gr accu tip ammo. There still in box that they came in. I never will shoot the factory ammo. I like reloading for the 204. I had very good luck with the 35gr Berger. I may be better off shooting the 35gr Berger. I only have 3/4 box of 40gr Berger. I think I have enough 35gr to do a good while. I know if I didnt reload I would shoot HSM ammo. I picked up another pd of Tac yesterday to work up a few loads with the 40gr.

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