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#1605458 - 05/23/10 02:24 PM 6x45 or 6 WOA
Brent Parker Offline
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Registered: 04/29/01
Posts: 185
Loc: Arizona
Ok guys I'm just getting into ar's and want one in a 6mm. It will be mainly used for coyote hunting. Normal ranges are normally around 100 yards or less but almost never over 200 yards on called coyotes. I will also be shooting the ocassional bobcat. I do save and put up fur so a bullet that won't make big hole most of the time is important. Just looking for something different. Any thoughts or recommendations on these two cartridges? Thanks Brent Parker

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#1605473 - 05/23/10 03:05 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Brent Parker]
chickenleg Offline
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Registered: 05/20/09
Posts: 199
Loc: Western NC
i have been wondering the same thing, not much info on the net on the 6woa, not even on white oak's website. both of those should be easy to load, and find supplies for...probably easier than the 6mm ar or turbo anyway.

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#1605616 - 05/23/10 08:05 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: chickenleg]
dtech Offline
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Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 2140
Loc: Bemidji, MN
The 6x45 would probably do everything you want. It puts out about 30% more energy than the .223, it is VERY easy to load for, it is extremely accurate, and you can get by with a shorter barrel than a .223. The brass is all but free, it uses the same bolt and magazines as the .223/5.56. There is very little not to like about it.

The 6 WOA is a great cartridge as well. It was designed for Camp Perry, and does a great job at it. It is a 6.8 SPC case necked-down to 6 mm, with the shoulder pushed back and sharpened to 30*. Pushing the shoulder back made a little more room in the magazine for the longer bullets, and I believe that is what John had in mind when he created it.

My new wildcat, the 6mm DTI, is much like the WOA, but the shoulder is blown forward to increase case capacity. This gives it a little bit more velocity on the light to mid-weight bullets. The 70 to 90 grain bullet is what I had in mind when I designed the DTI, and it's doing a great job at that.

Bang for your buck, it's tough to beat the 6 x 45, but if you need to get more energy and velocity, the WOA or DTI is the next step up.
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#1605643 - 05/23/10 09:01 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: dtech]
MPFD Offline
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Registered: 01/31/07
Posts: 4257
Loc: Kansas
Mike would you feel comfortable shooting a midwest whitetail with a 6X45? I'm thinking 85 grain Sierra Gameking or lighter partitions. Would you feel like that would be ethical and to what distance? Sorry if this is a High jack...
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#1605649 - 05/23/10 09:09 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: dtech]
venatic Offline
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Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 6278
Loc: waco,tx
+1 on what Mike said.As far as a fur friendly bullet I don't worry to much about that myself so I cannot help to much. I have shot the 68gr Berger in my 6X45mm DTech and it usually leaves a quarter-sized exit.
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#1605657 - 05/23/10 09:16 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: venatic]
venatic Offline
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Registered: 06/11/03
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Here is a west Texas whitetail I shot with the 6X45mm while coyote hunting / culling deer this past fall.I shot him and a doe about 30 seconds apart at aproximately 175yds.Both ran 30yds and piled up.That was with a 68gr Euber bullet.

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#1605659 - 05/23/10 09:19 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: venatic]
dtech Offline
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Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 2140
Loc: Bemidji, MN
I have taken many nice white tails with the 6 x 45 and 85 grain Nosler partitions. I am driving them at a little over 2600 FPS, but using different powders, 2800 is possible.

The DTI sends the same bullet out of the same length barrel at about 3000 FPS. Both could be improved on slightly with a longer barrel.
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#1605697 - 05/23/10 10:17 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: dtech]
Mrgunslinger Offline
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Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 837
Loc: Indiana
If your wanting a good 6 mm and dont want the wssm,just get a 6BR.
The 6 BR will be faster then the DTI.

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#1605712 - 05/23/10 10:37 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Mrgunslinger]
Tim Neitzke Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
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6BR in a AR ?
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#1605713 - 05/23/10 10:38 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Tim Neitzke]
Tim Neitzke Offline
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Nice deer David.
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#1605826 - 05/24/10 01:05 AM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Tim Neitzke]
chickenleg Offline
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Registered: 05/20/09
Posts: 199
Loc: Western NC
sent you a pm mike


Edited by chickenleg (05/24/10 07:06 AM)

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#1605893 - 05/24/10 08:53 AM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Brent Parker]
Squeeze Offline
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Registered: 12/30/04
Posts: 1803
Loc: NW, Wi

I went through this about a year and a half ago. I exchanged
messages with several folks on the web regarding 6x45, and
6mm WOA. I went with 6mm WOA, because I figured if I had to
form brass, I may as well go with a case design with more
capacity. Besides, I am a huge fan of the 6.8 SPC, so I have
plenty of brass to work with.

I just started developing an 80 gr. TTSX load, for a Fall
antelope hunt, and have worked up a number of loads in
varmint/predator weight bullets. I have no doubt if a
243 Win, can kill a deer, a 6mm WOA can too. As for this
rifle, it is quite accurate, and easy to find loads with
more than sufficient hunting accuracy. It puts 68 gr. Bergers
into one hole on a regular basis. If I get a chance, on
my way out to WY this Fall, I might stop in SD and see how
well the 6mm WOA launches prairie dogs, with these 68 gr.
Bergers. thumbup1


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#1605903 - 05/24/10 09:11 AM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Squeeze]
dk17hmr Offline
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Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 75
Loc: Wyoming
I have a 6x45 and really really like it. Dies can be had at Midway or Grafs, for around $60. Brass can be picked up pretty much anywhere and pretty cheap if you want to buy it. I know my 6x45 with 55gr Noslers will send p-dogs flying and when the hit the ground it is ussally in more than one piece. I will probably use it for deer or antelope this fall.
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#1606089 - 05/24/10 05:00 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: dk17hmr]
Mrgunslinger Offline
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Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 837
Loc: Indiana
Yes a 6 BR in a AR.
More powder capicity and no case forming.
Decide on what bullets you want to shoot and get a barrel with the right twist.
Right now I am shooting 107 gr sierras in a 8 twist and getting 2850 FPS.
Had a 12 twist that shot 70 BTs at 3300 to 3400 FPS.

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#1606220 - 05/24/10 07:50 PM Re: 6x45 or 6 WOA [Re: Mrgunslinger]
Brent Parker Offline
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Registered: 04/29/01
Posts: 185
Loc: Arizona
I want to thank everyone for there input. I am still undecided but will be making my mind up soon. I would like to be able to use one this predator season. Thanks Brent

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