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#1491716 - 01/20/10 07:42 PM Brass Deflector= Dented Brass
5.56YoteKiller Offline
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Registered: 01/09/10
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I reloaded some 223 this morning and went outside to see how they would do.

I noticed the brass deflector is beating the crap out of the shoulders of the cases.

What, if anything do you guys use to prevent this?
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#1491785 - 01/20/10 08:16 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: 5.56YoteKiller]
Dixiedog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/08/07
Posts: 1332
Loc: Maine
A little stick on rubber pad like you put on furniture to keep from marking floors works well, I've also used the soft side of Velcro with good results. You will still get an occasional dent but nothing like without any protection.

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#1491794 - 01/20/10 08:22 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: Dixiedog1]
OldTurtle Offline
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Registered: 12/20/05
Posts: 17820
Loc: East Central MO
I made some rubber defectors out of an old car inner tube that fastens around my scope mounts and hangs down over the ejection port... it slows down the ejected case and drops it right below the rifle... on the table if I'm shooting from a bench or at my feet if I'm standing...

It's just a matter of adjusting the tension on the flap to the point where it doesn't cause the ejected case to hang up in the port...
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#1491831 - 01/20/10 08:44 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: OldTurtle]
5.56YoteKiller Offline
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Loc: Mid Tn, USA
Hmm good ideas. Thanks guys.
I looked around the shop and found some black rubber pads (sticky on one side) used to cushion electronic components and keep them from sliding around on a shelf. I'll cut them to fit the deflector.
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#1492242 - 01/21/10 04:27 AM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: 5.56YoteKiller]
SodakJim Offline
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Registered: 02/14/07
Posts: 1650
Loc: Gettysburg, South Dakota
If your just trying to get around the real problem go ahead with pads, etc. The real problem lies in excessive bolt speed and or excessive ejector spring tension. Hot loads can also cause high bolt speeds. A stronger buffer spring like the Tubb CS, will slow the bolt down. If you go this road, make sure you get the right spring for your particular AR-15 type and gas system.

Shortening the ejector spring will keep the case body from slapping the locking lugs hard and limit the spin on the case as it goes through the ejection port to strike the deflector. This modification can keep your AR from tossing your brass 15 feet from your rifle at the same time. Check the link below.
http://www.gswagner.com/arejector/arejector.html

I have done these modifications, and the empty cases look like they came from a bolt action rifle rather than an AR-15. That is, no dents, dings or overly powder blackened cases.
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#1492325 - 01/21/10 08:38 AM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: SodakJim]
5.56YoteKiller Offline
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Registered: 01/09/10
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Loc: Mid Tn, USA
Sounds like an easy/fast/cheap fix.
Thanks for the info.
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#1492547 - 01/21/10 12:08 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: 5.56YoteKiller]
Yoteblasterz Offline
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Registered: 01/02/10
Posts: 86
Loc: Missouri
Hey SodakJim,

Good info. Thanks for sharing. Have you had any jams or other issues since doing this to your gun?
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#1492598 - 01/21/10 12:50 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: Yoteblasterz]
msu33 Offline
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Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Huntsville AL
I put tubbs cs flat wire springs in both my 5.56 and my 6.8. It will fix your dented case issue. I also weighted my carrier, which helped slow down the bolt for those really hot rounds.

I have not had any ill affect using the spring and or weight. Thats shooting hot and light loads, been 100% reliable.


Edited by msu33 (01/21/10 12:51 PM)

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#1493254 - 01/21/10 09:26 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: msu33]
HPW Offline
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Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 1164
Loc: Cheyenne, WY
It's already been said, but if the brass is coming out and striking your brass deflector that hard, it is an issue of changing your extractor spring. By changing the spring rates you can actually move the brass path from about 5 o clock all the way out to about 2 o clock.
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#1494812 - 01/22/10 11:38 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: HPW]
SodakJim Offline
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Registered: 02/14/07
Posts: 1650
Loc: Gettysburg, South Dakota
Originally Posted By: HPW
It's already been said, but if the brass is coming out and striking your brass deflector that hard, it is an issue of changing your extractor spring. By changing the spring rates you can actually move the brass path from about 5 o clock all the way out to about 2 o clock.


It's not the EXTRACTOR spring, It's the EJECTOR spring.

I have had no feeding or extraction problems all. They all will fall in a nice little pile at about 3-4 O'clock, 2 feet from the rifle. Just follow the instructions carefully and you will have no problems. The standard ejector spring only needs about .015-.025 compression when installed and fully extended under the ejector plunger. If you get it too short, the ejected cases won't reliably clear the ejection port.
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#1494817 - 01/22/10 11:43 PM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: SodakJim]
sharkathmi Offline
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Registered: 12/26/07
Posts: 4231
Loc: Western Colorado
Here's some pics of what OT is talking about.




It's just cut from an old inner tube.

HTH
Mark

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#1503544 - 01/29/10 10:06 AM Re: Brass Deflector= Dented Brass [Re: sharkathmi]
5.56YoteKiller Offline
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Registered: 01/09/10
Posts: 516
Loc: Mid Tn, USA
Did the ejector spring thing.
Fired 10 rds. and no dents on the cases.

Nice thing too is they all landed 2 ft. from me. Easy case recovery. thumbup1

ETA: A big thanks to SodakJim.


Edited by 5.56YoteKiller (01/29/10 10:09 AM)
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