Who Makes A .220 Swift These Days?

Originally Posted By: Chapped LipsOriginally Posted By: wildcat_armsRuger and Remington still make them.
ruger...the outfit that brought the swift back ....has dropped the swift....not in the 2010 catalog....unless they make an un-cataloged run....which they're known to do.

Ruger just had a run of 222's in the all weather version this month... Nothings saying they wont do the same thing for the 220 swift. Lord I hope so..lol
 
I just have to respond to pieeyed assertion that the 22-250 AI will shoot bullets at 5200 feet per second. The laws of physics apply even to Ackley improved cartridges. It simply is not going to happen. Do you mean perhaps 4200 feet per second?
Harvey7
 
I bought my Model 700 Classic new in 1992. It is by far, my favorite gun and caliber. One I will never sell. It's always amazed me with the ease in which it will shoot tiny 5 shot groups. It the most inherently accuarate gun I've ever owned. I would highly suggest trying to find one on Gunbroker or Gunsamerica. Like others have said, you can find them from time to time still NIB.

Good Luck.
 
Quote: I just have to respond to pieeyed assertion that the 22-250 AI will shoot bullets at 5200 feet per second. The laws of physics apply even to Ackley improved cartridges. It simply is not going to happen. Do you mean perhaps 4200 feet per second?
Harvey7


Ok so I made a mistake, the highest velocity for the .22-250 AI is 5130 FPS. The .22-243 M velocity is 5278.

http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=22&LoadID=1200
http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=100&LoadID=1147

http://www.accuratereloading.com/reload.html
http://www.accuratereloading.com/22250ai.html
http://www.accuratereloading.com/220sw.html
http://www.accuratereloading.com/22-243.html

http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=22&BulletWeight=35
 
Originally Posted By: pieeyedOk so I made a mistake, the highest velocity for the .22-250 AI is 5130 FPS. The .22-243 M velocity is 5278.



Keep in mind and take this with a huge grain of salt- these velocities are what this guy is claiming to be getting. These are loads the people send in and if they really are getting these kinds of speeds, and I doubt that they are, then they are really getting some serious pressures.

Notice too that they are using 35 grain bullets. Not much good those are anyway unless you are shooting at things close up. And if you are, then why would you need 5100 fps for anyway?
 
stealthman - Thanks. I've only owned 2 Ruger centerfire rifles, my old tang safety Swift and a newer Mark II compact 223. The triggers on both of them suck from the factory, never messed with the 223 because it spends a majority of the time bouncing around a truck or tractor and I just can't see putting much into it. The more Remingtons I own, the more I like them.
 
Quote:According to the original plan, when development was completed the cartridge was to be adopted by Winchester as a factory round. At this point the facts become cloudy. Winchester did indeed introduce a high-velocity .22 in 1935 and even adopted the name Wotkyns had been using for his wildcat: the .220 Swift. But instead of the .250-3000 case, the new Swift was based on the 6mm Lee-Navy, modified somewhat for added strength and semirimmed. Why? No one knows. The records are lost, the principals are dead, memories are dimmed.
Understandably infuriated--he later refused to discuss the Swift--Wotkyns continued work on his brainchild, drawing in a noted handloader, J. Bushnell Smith, and a gunsmith and shooting champion, Jerry Gebby. Together they perfected the ".22-250" design, developed loads, built rifles and even copyrighted a name for it: the .22 Varminter.

That was in 1937. Phil Sharpe became involved when Gebby built him a rifle for the new cartridge. Since by this time Sharpe had been working with Winchester's new Swift for more than two years, he was in a good position to judge the relative merits of the two cartridges. The first thing he found was that the Varminter was far more flexible than the Swift.

"[The Swift] performed best when it was loaded to approximately full velocity," he wrote, whereas, "The Varminter case permits the most flexible loading ever recorded with a single cartridge. It will handle all velocities from 1,500 up to 4,500 fps."

Well it looks like they were able to acheive 4500 fps in developing the .22-250 in 1937. Now with better powders and bullets when the case is opened up with the AI chambering it seems quite possible.

Quote: About 1937 a man named Gebby and an associate, J.B. Smith completed the work on the wildcat 22-250, simply the 250 Savage case necked down to .224 with a 28 degree shoulder. Some years later, P.O. Ackley increased the 22-250’s case capacity by re-forming it by almost eliminating its body taper and giving it a 40 degree shoulder. Case capacity essentially duplicates that of the 220 Swift.

This text is based on information from “Cartridges of the World”, Hodgdon reloading manual, the cartridge designer and/or own resources.

I don't think there is any doubt the pressure is maxed.
as far as the 35 gr berger bullet, well it is certainly lighter than what I like to shoot for coyotes. There are a lot of guys shooting this weight of bullet and smaller for coyotes. IT is used in these tests obviously to demonstrate velocity. The heavier bullets used are also exibiting high velocities.

I didn't create these test results but similar findings are found at different sources and in other .22 chamberings so I am not instantly a naysayer or doubting a post strongly on nothing. Can someone prove it can't be done.
 
that little 35 grain pill is running over 2k ft pounds of energy, that is impressive reading in itself, talk about a barrel burner, stealth you will be happy with your old ruger, you can order a 3lb sear from midway for 30 bucks and have a pretty decent trigger, takes about 10 minutes to do by yourself mine shoots like a house of fire i didnt realize the sear in time and had a single set canjar put in mine which i cant complain a bit about Ron
 
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