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#1418368 - 11/18/09 02:12 PM Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20"
jcs271 Offline
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I am thinking of building a short/light rifle (prob. in 308) to carry strapped on my daypack when on my swowmobile. My calling area is pretty thick timber so my Benelli M2 is my primary gun but occassionally I need to reach out 150yds max.

I have been looking at various compact bolt guns but thought it might be fun to get something dirrerent like an encore rifle with a short barrel.

I have plenty of ars,varmint and hunting rifles etc.

Remember this is just for a short fun specialty gun so I need your thoughts on where to find STAINLESS short 308 barrels at reasonable price.
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#1418385 - 11/18/09 02:48 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: jcs271]
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Even a 20" barreled Encore is a short gun comparatively. Less than 38" depending on stock. I found that very short rifles can be difficult to steady so if it were me I start at 20"....you can always have it bobbed off if you want it shorter.

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#1418388 - 11/18/09 02:58 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: jcs271]
Silvertp Offline
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I'd look for a used barrel if you want a reasonable price. A place to start is the Gray Beard Outdoors website. They have a great "For Sale" section specific to TC Encores.

Silvertp

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#1418401 - 11/18/09 03:16 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: Silvertp]
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You also mentioned the word "light". If your max range is 150 yards then I would look at a Contender. The Contender comes in a lot of great cartridges. But two great Contender cartridges are the 30-30 and the 7-30 Waters. MGM could make any barrel length you want. You can also get a 45-70 in a Contender. However that 45-70 can have some heavy recoil in such a light rifle. That 7-30 Waters is one great cartridge for your needs. And you can easily make cases from 30-30 cases. And a rimmed cartridge is normally more accurate in a single shot rifle, once you get your shoulder headspace correctly sized.

Th 30-30 cartridge is a great cartridge. Especially in a single shot rifle. Sierra makes a 130 grain bullet that is specifically designed for the 30-30 in a single shot rifle. It is a great bullet for 30-30 velocities.

You could also look at the EABCO BRM cartridge's. They are also rimmed cartridges. Take some time and read all the information on the Bellm, and EABCO web site. There is a lot of good information there.

I have thought about putting a 17" Contender Carbine together. That would be one light, fast handling rifle that would be a dream in brush or tight quarters. And in the 30-30 with a 130 grain bullet would be deadly on up to deer sized game at distances well past 150 yards. Tom.


Edited by HOGGHEAD (11/18/09 03:20 PM)
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#1418404 - 11/18/09 03:21 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: Silvertp]
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not quite an answer for you, but: as far as accuracy with T/C short barrels go; i'm impressed. I had an Encore pistol in 30-06 with the 15" barrel. After trying a few factory loads it ended up liking the Federal 165 gr. btsp.. Off the bench it was always under 3/4" m.o.a. I had three that were 1/2" or a tad under. In short: I would'nt hesitate shooting a short barreled encore. Actually sounds like a great idea for a next project.
good luck, and be sure to keep us posted.
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#1418444 - 11/18/09 04:40 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: predator_caller]
kal52 Offline
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I like the contender as well. Have the pistol and love it.

As far as barrels go, you can either have one made, or you can go to eds contenders and pick one up at a reasonable price. have one now that is 16" ss and has a muzz break in .308.

its not super light but H&R makes the survivor in .308, mine is super accurate. also other cals as well, and they are cheap.

Dave

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#1418445 - 11/18/09 04:41 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: predator_caller]
jcs271 Offline
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I already have a Contender in 7-30 waters and it is a great rig.

I am just looking for something new and different, and I really want a full rifle stock not a pistol grip.

Maybe I should stick with the 7-30 caliber though, that is a good idea.

THANKS
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#1418452 - 11/18/09 04:47 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: jcs271]
jcs271 Offline
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Just a thought, but since I already have the contender frame, I could just buy a 16" barrel and stock set then do the conversion (yes, I know that would be a one way trip with no legal way to return to pistol status). My old barrel with Leupold EER scope and SSK 3 ring setup along with Pachmayer stocks with swivel studs would probably pay for the new stuff. Hmmmmmmm.......
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#1418482 - 11/18/09 05:39 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: jcs271]
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Originally Posted By: jcs271
I already have a Contender in 7-30 waters and it is a great rig.

I am just looking for something new and different, and I really want a full rifle stock not a pistol grip.

Maybe I should stick with the 7-30 caliber though, that is a good idea.

THANKS




If you really want something different(and I can really understand that), take a look at the EABCO cartrdige. The 6.5 BRM. That cartridge is a real dandy also. And it is different, and brass is cheap to buy. If you already have the Contender then you are already on your way. That would be a lightweight DANDY. Just get that rifle stock and go for it. Tom.
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#1418585 - 11/18/09 07:55 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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You just have to make sure that what ever caliber you decide on that the barrel length is 18-20". No pistol barrels on a frame with a rifle stock. 7x30 Water's in a 20" barrel would be a good place to start since you already have the same caliber in a pistol.


blacksheep


Edited by BLACKSHEEP (11/18/09 08:02 PM)
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#1418945 - 11/19/09 08:30 AM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: BLACKSHEEP]
gary paugh Offline
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I've got a contender carbine in 6.8 spc 18" barrel it's very light and shoots great.
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#1420041 - 11/20/09 03:00 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: gary paugh]
jcs271 Offline
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Thanks for the ideas, I think I will just go with a rifle barrel in 7-30 waters and add a stock to my contender.

P.S. Blacksheep, the barrel only needs to be 16" in length on a rifle. (18" for a shotgun with an overall length of 26" for both rifle and shotgun)
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#1420132 - 11/20/09 05:53 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: jcs271]
jcs271 Offline
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I guess another posible option would just be to have my smith put a flash hider (bird cage AR style?) on the barrel to meet the 16" length and then I would only need to buy a stock.

Could then keep my(accurate)barrel, scope, rings etc. Might just be a fun and cheap project.

Any thoughts?
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#1420578 - 11/21/09 10:21 AM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: jcs271]
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If you did add a Flash hider to increase length, Im pretty sure that it would have to be Permanently attatched to meet the Laws. Good luck.
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#1422294 - 11/23/09 12:48 PM Re: Short Encore rifle barrels 16-18-20" [Re: Orneryolfart357]
jcs271 Offline
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You are correct Ornery, the flash hider MUST be "permanently affixed" to be counted as additional barrel length
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