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#1356574 - 08/24/09 12:53 AM Huskemaw Scope
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Anybody using the Huskemaw 5-20X scope?? I am just interested in some evaluations. I am considering one for a LR deer rifle build. Tom.
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#1357007 - 08/24/09 06:01 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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Tom:

You might do a search on www.longrangehunting.com. Huskemaw is a sponsor there, I think.

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#1357025 - 08/24/09 06:26 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: tt35]
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I did do a search there, along with a few other forums. I would just like to get all the opinions I can.

I belong to a 1,000 yard club and we have a member who has one, and he said he would let me shoot it at the range. I was wanting some additional opinions. Tom.
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#1357493 - 08/25/09 09:41 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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If you watch The Best of the West on Outdoor Channel, they really pimp them. Lots of ads for Gunwerks LR-800 Shooting System which uses that scope too. No experience myself but you might find some more info there.

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#1358551 - 08/26/09 04:09 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: unloaded]
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I have heard Huskemaw uses 1/3 moa clicks instead of 1/4 or 1/8. They can put more elevation in their scopes that way. I have never even seen one other than on their web page and TV. I have also heard that Leopold will convert your scope to do the same thing as the Huskemaw.
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#1358880 - 08/26/09 11:43 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: pyscodog]
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I watched a guy on the Best of the West last week put one into a bear at 903 yds and the follow up at 925 yds. I couldn't believe it. It ran about 50 yds down the hill got on top of a rock and he finished it off. It wasn't the biggest bear ever but still at that distance, pretty impressive.

I wouldn't mind having one on a .308, and I think they said that they could customize on to whatever round you shoot. For a PRICE I'm sure.
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#1358916 - 08/27/09 12:26 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: gonzaga]
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A buddy of mine wrote an article on it over on longrangehunting. I got to look it over some and was impressed with the overall dimensions of it. Seemed to be a bright clear optic when i looked thru it. I watched him shoot the 200-yd. groups out of his pistol with it.

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#1360932 - 08/29/09 09:18 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: sscoyote]
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I have to believe someone is making those scopes for them - any ideas? I would think once you have your trajectory table figured out, you can do the same thing with a chart.

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#1360949 - 08/29/09 09:37 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: va_ken]
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Bingo, we have a winner......
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#1360967 - 08/29/09 10:00 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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You guys are probably right!! But who is it?? Tom.
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#1371302 - 09/13/09 05:27 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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I have a Huskemaw scope and it works great. Shooting milk jugs out to 700 yards so far an I haven't shot a gun in 10 years since the military. It is a 1/3 MOA scope and they did that so it would have enough moa to shoot past 1000 yards. You have to shoot your gun and get the speed of your bullet and you need the bullets coeffieincy. Then you go on there web site and put that info into there Ballistic Compensator along with your altitude. Then it will give you a rough est of the moa you need to shoot out to 1000 yard with a 200 zero. You take this info and hit the range. Zero at 200 yards record speed of bullet then go to 300 yards look at print out it will say something like 25 clicks to be dead on at 300. Turn the turret 25 clicks an shoot you may be high or low just record how many click it realy takes and wright it down and record speed of bullet for your 5 shot group you do this every 100 yards that you want to shoot up to 80% of your max range. Then you call them, give them your clicks,average bullet speed,elevation, temperture,humidity, altitude and pressure for the day you shot the gun (best if all done in one day) for every yardage past 200 that you want to shoot


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#1371305 - 09/13/09 05:32 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: death]
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They then put the info in the computer and burn you a turret.
Every turret cost $100. The first one is free. Now no matter where you hunt in the world if you give them the average temp and humidity with the elevation they can burn you a new turret for that location. I sighted in at 2660 altitude having turret built for colorado 8000 feet 40 degress 40% humidity. Let you know after Nov 7 if it was on or not. Hope this helped.
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#1389513 - 10/11/09 10:43 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: death]
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for the money, there are a lot better choices..

building a turret to match your load is easy.

go to http://www.kentonindustries.com/

the different scopes he can do...
http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/picbytype/

Mark can make knobs for a lot of scopes.

Personally I'd get a good scope with target turrets and dial my own dope. that way you are not stuck to one load.... you can dial for all types of altitude, different bullet weights, etc.

I can't stress enough how important practice is. You can't just buy it and expect to do what you see on T.V. !!!



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#1405472 - 11/02/09 01:16 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: va_ken]
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Night force is making them. I talk them a while back about it. I'm thinking about sending a new gun I'm having SAVAGE ARM custom shop make me to them and have one put on a 25-06 they said I'll be good out to 700-800 yds. on deer and coyotes all day long with it if the gun is good and accurate. Another thing is if you buy one you can go to one of there seminars in the summer and they will teach you how to use them. buy one of there rifle's and they knock off $500 for the $1500 2 day class. Not sure if I'm willing to do that though if I spent 4500-6000 dollars on one of there guns the class should be free.


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#1405675 - 11/02/09 11:12 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: South Paw Shooter]
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LMAO. What a joke. Buy a dang rangefinder and any quality scope with enough come-ups and a plain old duplex in it and you can do the same thing. I can't believe people get sucked in by this Best of the West crap. Learn how to shoot, then you won't find their magical scopes with their magical reticles costing 1000's of dollars so amazing. I'll have you hittin' schit at 700-800yds in half an hour and only charge you half that, if you'd like.......Laffin'
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#1405981 - 11/02/09 07:13 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgun
LMAO. What a joke. Buy a dang rangefinder and any quality scope with enough come-ups and a plain old duplex in it and you can do the same thing. I can't believe people get sucked in by this Best of the West crap. Learn how to shoot, then you won't find their magical scopes with their magical reticles costing 1000's of dollars so amazing. I'll have you hittin' schit at 700-800yds in half an hour and only charge you half that, if you'd like.......Laffin'



+1000. Well said, 2MG.

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#1406057 - 11/02/09 08:31 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: SuperSeal110]
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Opinions vary, but since I have used this Huskemaw side by side with S-3 Sightron, NXS's, Mark 4's and the new VX-3's, I have been pretty impressed.
Its horizontal line is very practical for wind and for reticle ranging if technology or atmospheric conditions cause your LRF to not function.
I have had the Kenton's as well. I will be putting it to the test as it will be mounted on a 338AX (338 Lapua Improved) on a center-grip specialty pistol.
Nothing wrong with 1/3MOA adjustment, and it keeps you on your first revolution for close to 1K with one turn of the turret.
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#1406092 - 11/02/09 08:57 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: xphunter]
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Alright. I know I may get hammered for this but this is just my opinion. I have watched the Best of the West many times. I am amazed at how good the Berger bullets kill at the long ranges they shoot at. I am not impressed with shooting game at the ranges they do. I think it sends a message to every "Joe" out there that he can as well. It takes the right equipment and lots of practice, something alot of people won't dedicate themselves to. I am a die hard bowhunter for the most part. I still rifle hunt for big game but not as much as bowhunt for them. To me shooting an animal at 800+ yards isn't hunting, it's shooting. Just my personal opinion.


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#1406098 - 11/02/09 09:03 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: wyoshooter]
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How much is this scope?

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#1406148 - 11/02/09 09:41 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: wyoshooter]
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wyoshooter,
No reason why someone would "hammer you" for asking good questions.
It does require a serious commitment to the task at hand.

Sometimes I hunt with a bow. When I do I like to hunt antelope, spot-n-stalk with an old Pearson Flame. About the furthest thing from LR hunting. Last year I did all of my killing under 250 yards. Some of it was under 65 yards-Used a Freedom Arms 454 Casull. This year I hunted more LR. You may not want to know the distances I killed a buck muley and antelope with specialty handguns.

Point is, I hunt the way I want to hunt, because that is the way I want to hunt. If it is legal and the animal dies quickly, and it brings me enjoyment, plus meat on the table-It is a good thing.
The argument of when hunting ceases to be hunting, can be found in every discipline, as people polarize. Example: You are not a true bow hunter unless you use a longbow, etc., etc.


I think what you are describing is more than just a LR hunting issue. I think it is a humanity issue.

I have watched people with iron sighted 30-30's try things that made me cringe and sickened me.
Some people are going to shoot beyond their ability regardless of what they are hunting with: rifle, handgun, bow, black powder, slingshot, etc.
A term that may be appropriate for that mentality is a "slob hunter."

Now, you are not dealing with a style of hunting, but an attitude toward hunting and game that permeates every form of legal hunting and those that are not.
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#1406160 - 11/02/09 09:48 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: xphunter]
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I can understand both of your points of view.I've no problem with how a guy goes about puttin' meat on the table, as long as he is proficient with his tools of choice.

I think Wyo worries just like I do that the wrong message may be sent to the wrong people. They don't show you the wounding shots or misses on Best of the West..........
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#1406201 - 11/02/09 10:20 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: Ill_Coyote]
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Originally Posted By: Ill_Coyote
How much is this scope?


Huskemaw Scope, LRH 5-20 Rifle Scope ($1,149 + $24 Ship/Insurance)
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#1406222 - 11/02/09 10:44 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: xphunter]
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Originally Posted By: xphunter
wyoshooter,
No reason why someone would "hammer you" for asking good questions.
It does require a serious commitment to the task at hand.

Sometimes I hunt with a bow. When I do I like to hunt antelope, spot-n-stalk with an old Pearson Flame. About the furthest thing from LR hunting. Last year I did all of my killing under 250 yards. Some of it was under 65 yards-Used a Freedom Arms 454 Casull. This year I hunted more LR. You may not want to know the distances I killed a buck muley and antelope with specialty handguns.

Point is, I hunt the way I want to hunt, because that is the way I want to hunt. If it is legal and the animal dies quickly, and it brings me enjoyment, plus meat on the table-It is a good thing.
The argument of when hunting ceases to be hunting, can be found in every discipline, as people polarize. Example: You are not a true bow hunter unless you use a longbow, etc., etc.


I think what you are describing is more than just a LR hunting issue. I think it is a humanity issue.

I have watched people with iron sighted 30-30's try things that made me cringe and sickened me.
Some people are going to shoot beyond their ability regardless of what they are hunting with: rifle, handgun, bow, black powder, slingshot, etc.
A term that may be appropriate for that mentality is a "slob hunter."

Now, you are not dealing with a style of hunting, but an attitude toward hunting and game that permeates every form of legal hunting and those that are not.


All points well taken xphunter. I don't think it's wrong, just not my cup of tea. As far as being "hammered" I have to say that typically dosen't happen here. I enjoy this forum so much because most people respect others opinions and it dosen't get personal. I learm alot here. I get on Archery Talk forums and it's a different story there.

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#1406306 - 11/03/09 12:08 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: wyoshooter]
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It is very encouraging to know that there is mutual respect on this forum.
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#1409912 - 11/07/09 09:11 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: South Paw Shooter]
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Originally Posted By: South Paw Shooter
Night force is making them. I talk them a while back about it. I'm thinking about sending a new gun I'm having SAVAGE ARM custom shop make me to them and have one put on a 25-06 they said I'll be good out to 700-800 yds. on deer and coyotes all day long with it if the gun is good and accurate. Another thing is if you buy one you can go to one of there seminars in the summer and they will teach you how to use them. buy one of there rifle's and they knock off $500 for the $1500 2 day class. Not sure if I'm willing to do that though if I spent 4500-6000 dollars on one of there guns the class should be free.


I know this is my first post on the forum (which is a wonderful resource with many very knowledgeable folks for sure)but I just have to call BS on the info that Nightforce are making these scopes.

Having handled & used the NF scopes for several years & having also (however briefly) looked at the Huskemaw product, there is no way, at least IMHO that NF is the manufacturer. The Huskemaw is considerably heavier than the NF product & frankly, I just don't see NF getting into a product that cheap, especially when demand for their scopes is so high. In other words, I can't see them making scopes for other folks that they sell to the other folks for less than their dealer pricing on their own stuff, it just doesn't make sense?

As to other issues, yes, LR hunting can be humanely done but only with many hours of practice. The image that BOTW portrays is that ANYONE can just get one of their scopes & rifles & go killing animals at 900yds. This really upsets me as it is bound to lead to injured animals & a very bad image for all hunters.

I would love to know what caliber the bear shooting was done with because all I have ever seen those guys using has been the 6.5/284 & 7mm Rem Mags, neither of which, again, IMHO, has the required energy at those kind of ranges to reliably provide a 1st round kill which should be the aim of every responsible hunter.

Again, just IMHO, just using drop charts for your load is kinda like believing the Govt fuel consumption figures for your vehicle; a good start but only verified by actual testing. I shoot all my drop charts at ALL the ranges I intend to shoot at in the field. Yes, I am lucky my range is only a mile from work & stretches out to 800 meters but there is simply no excuse for not shooting the load to make sure the drop chart is accurate. If you can't do that, then IMHO, you have no right to be shooting at animals past the ranges you have practiced at, regardless of any whizz bang scope or PDA that says you can.

On my .338 Lapua Mag, I have a Leupold 8.5-25x scope & my drops are marked on blue painters tape wrapped around the dial. Works just fine & I have no need to spend $100 for new turrets if my load changes. Leupold also offer interchangeable dials for their scopes too & without being too cocky, I'll take a name brand like Leupold with a proven history & lifetime warranty over an unknown, unproven (in the long term) brand like Huskemaw. BOTW & their sponsors remind me too much of the late night infomercials.

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#1409987 - 11/07/09 10:35 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: thegman1763]
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First question is for me is the glass worth 1200? I thought that they were much more than that?

Me personally I would get a leupold built at the custom shop fpr much less money and be just as happy or get a dial from Kenton

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#1410060 - 11/07/09 11:53 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: nitis]
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+1. I'll put this as plainly as I can. The Huskemaw scope is tuned for 1 load under a single set of environmental factors. Not only does that make it highly unversatile, as soon as environmental factors change, it is useless and you are back to square 1, a turret and a duplex. We are talking changes in temp., altittude, humidity, and barometric pressure.

For those who do not know, changes in barometric pressure, for example, will actually change the B.C. of your bullet. This is what causes you to miss big @ longer ranges. Add to this the fact that manufacturers published BC's are rarely the BC's you will experience under real world conditions, it would be nothing for your fancy Huskemaw scope to be well off target @ 1000yds under various conditions. I recall reading that BC can change up to 30% due to altitude change alone.(I doubt they'll tell you any of this on Worst of the West)

Sorry kids, but the only way to excel at long range shooting is to dial in real world conditions. Under such conditions, the Huskemaw would have no advantage over a number of scopes costing half as much. There is no substitute for real world experience, magical reticles included.......
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#1410081 - 11/08/09 12:26 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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and they get 100 bucks for a turret that leupold will do for 65

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#1410087 - 11/08/09 12:41 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: nitis]
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There is no such thing as a constant, invariable BC, yet Huskemaw scopes are based on just that.......
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#1410204 - 11/08/09 10:22 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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There are way more 1000 yard rifles than there are 1000 yard shooters, dial or no dial & I'll leave it at that.... eek

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#1410213 - 11/08/09 10:33 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: thegman1763]
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Originally Posted By: thegman1763
Again, just IMHO, just using drop charts for your load is kinda like believing the Govt fuel consumption figures for your vehicle; a good start but only verified by actual testing. I shoot all my drop charts at ALL the ranges I intend to shoot at in the field. Yes, I am lucky my range is only a mile from work & stretches out to 800 meters but there is simply no excuse for not shooting the load to make sure the drop chart is accurate. If you can't do that, then IMHO, you have no right to be shooting at animals past the ranges you have practiced at, regardless of any whizz bang scope or PDA that says you can.


gman,
First welcome to the forum.
I am new here myself.
IF, you are talking about that BOTW/Huskemaw encourages shooters to only use ballistic software to develop their drop charts/Turret it would incorrect. Their instruction manual and DVD that accompanies the scope goes far beyond any scope company in this manner.
They teach for anyone getting the correct drops for a turret to actually verify the drops at those distances, just as you do. I have only seen two or three of the shows on cable, so I can't comment on the other things.

I typically use EXBAL or Sierra's new software, and I always verify my drops in the field, but Exbal has been pretty close if not spot on most of the time.
I also use VX-3's and Mark 4's Leupold, but only one NF NXS in 8-32 at the moment.

Definitely agree with your last post. Regardless of how good the gun/scope/load combo is, the person operating is paramount.

Ernie
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#1410251 - 11/08/09 11:25 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: thegman1763]
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Originally Posted By: thegman1763
Originally Posted By: South Paw Shooter


I know this is my first post on the forum (which is a wonderful resource with many very knowledgeable folks for sure)but I just have to call BS on the info that Nightforce are making these scopes.

Having handled & used the NF scopes for several years & having also (however briefly) looked at the Huskemaw product, there is no way, at least IMHO that NF is the manufacturer. The Huskemaw is considerably heavier than the NF product & frankly, I just don't see NF getting into a product that cheap, especially when demand for their scopes is so high. In other words, I can't see them making scopes for other folks that they sell to the other folks for less than their dealer pricing on their own stuff, it just doesn't make sense?



Basically I was just looking for general information from anyone with real life experience with the Huskemaw scope. Since I have never used one first hand.

I have no idea who makes the scope, that is why I asked. But to say that NightForce does not make the scope would be incorrect. But then NightForce does not make anything themselves. They are a trade name that imports their products from another country. So calling NF a mfr. is also wrong.

However I do not find it impossible to believe that an importer---such as NightForce, would import different lines of products that differ in quality to achieve selling "price points".

Again I am not saying that NF is the importer of Huskmaw scopes. I really do not know. But I would not put them up on a high horse as being an optics mfr. Because they are not. They are simply an importer that is importing a very high quality product.

I realize they have a great warranty. However I have held off on buying one because they could close their doors or change their name tomorrow. Since they actually make-nothing. It would be very easy for them to do. And if they did then their product would loose substantial value.............overnight.

That is basically why I stay with the Leupold, Zeiss, and Swarovski. They make most of what they sell. And have been in business for a long. time. Heck NF is basically a new kid on the block. I am an older fellow who has seen a bunch of new kids come and go over the years. However the big companies that actually make what they sell tend to be around a lot longer than "trade name" companies. Heck I can remember the JC Higgins life time warranty. I wonder how many guys here have ever heard of JC Higgins products??

I have a friend who(last year) returned a Leupold scope tht he purchased in 1978. And Leupold fixed his scope with no questions asked. Try that with some of the other mfrs. that offered a lifetime warrant in 1978. Oh that is right---you can't. they are no longer in business. NF scopes are great, no doubt. But as an importer are they going to be here in 30 years to stand behind their lifetime warranty?? I doubt it. Tom.


Edited by HOGGHEAD (11/08/09 11:30 AM)
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#1410259 - 11/08/09 11:42 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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I sent one in from the mid 1960's. Came back a week and a half later fully overhauled with new turret caps on it.....
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#1410265 - 11/08/09 11:49 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgun
I sent one in from the mid 1960's. Came back a week and a half later fully overhauled with new turret caps on it.....


I am pretty sure you are talking about a Leupold?? They do stand behind their product, don't they?? I just hated it when I saw they started importing some of their scopes and some of their raw materials. Kinda made me sick. Tom.
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#1410268 - 11/08/09 11:51 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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I'm not so sure Nightforce is merely an importer, as some, but not all, of their products say may "made in USA" on them......

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/3_5-15x50_F1/F1productsheet.pdf

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_O...-10x32nxs_.html
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#1410270 - 11/08/09 11:52 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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#1410273 - 11/08/09 11:58 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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Twice I see posted that 1/3 moa clicks give more adjustment. That is not
possible. The erector lens size and the tube determine movement. The click
size only determines how fast or slow you can dial in. More to do with mils
or Euro clicks like a swaro.
I would guess these are a chinese scope from trying to research the company.
There is a lot of hype and very little info. I have read several forum threads
that compare the glass to 150.00 scopes. Let somebody else be the guinea
pig. Spend half the amount on a vortex or the same on a lupy and you will
be happier.
If you want US made go with a US Optics.

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#1410278 - 11/08/09 12:14 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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Hogghead, not going to get in a peeing match here but I believe you are wrong about NF. I have a friend in ID who is a machinist who interviewed with NF a few years ago for a machinist position with them. Be kinda silly to employ a machinist if you didn't machine or manufacture anything now wouldn't it?

I shot an email off to NF on this subject & for some other stuff & we'll see what they say. I've been meaning to make the trip up to Orofino when I shoot the MGM Ironman 3 gun in Parma. Might have to make the trip up there this coming year.

There is no doubt that NF import their glass & some other components & have probably been importing scopes over the years. Please don't assume anything as I remember NF when they were Lightforce & burst on the UK hunting scene over 20 years ago with their spotlights as the main product. Bloody Aussies get everywhere.....

If you paid attention to my posts, you'd see I clearly mentioned exactly what you discuss regarding longevity in the marketplace & how I favored Leupold. Leupold have dropped the ball in the last few years, at least IMHO. They could also make a product that is streets in front of NF but for whatever reason, choose not to.

I also own optics from Swaro, Leupold & other respected optic manufacturers as well as cheapy Simmons & others that I have had no dramas with so I am no NF snob. You obviously have issues regarding NF & the final thing I will point out is that many SF units around the world who can choose whatever scope they want to go with NF. That may be an indicator of their quality or not but calling coyotes or shooting deer has no comparison to trusting your life to a scope.

When & if I hear something from NF, I will report that. Until then, goodwill to all here.

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#1410291 - 11/08/09 12:29 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: thegman1763]
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Originally Posted By: thegman1763
Hogghead, not going to get in a peeing match here but I believe you are wrong about NF. I have a friend in ID who is a machinist who interviewed with NF a few years ago for a machinist position with them. Be kinda silly to employ a machinist if you didn't machine or manufacture anything now wouldn't it?



By no means did I mean to start an argument. My main point was that NF imports(if not all) the most important part of their scope or scopes. The lenses. And these lenses are only made by a small handful of companies that make lenses worldwide. And these mfrs. make lenses to specifications. As I am sure you already know. And since they are importing this glass, and not making the glass---that makes them a "trade name". Or at least that is my opinion.

Since they do not make these lenses then they will be limited to what warranties they can offer for a product that they truly do not mfr. Or that they may partially mfr---or simply assemble.

And this by no means would limit them from selling a different product that is built to a different spec.

I have talked to a good bit of NF customers. And one of the comments that I have picked up from them is that there have been some different levels of quality in the past(I am sure they are not the only ones). However I have heard that these problems are definitely in the past.

I am not knocking NF. I am strongly considering the purchase of my first one. However I keep getting scared off by their limited production and IMO experience. $1800 is a lot of money for a scope with a lifetime warranty if they are not around in ten years?? Tom.
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#1410315 - 11/08/09 01:11 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: xphunter]
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Here is a link to the company that tells a little on them.


http://www.gaebler.com/OTTO++WY-Huskemaw+Optics,+LLC-SBA-Loan-Information++199759

The fact that Dan Miller , the host of Best of the West resides in Cody as well
tells the tale on why the two are tied together.


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#1410627 - 11/08/09 08:41 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: bigwheeler]
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IMO 1/3 moa adjustments are just a plain bad idea and Huskemaws are Asian and would not come close to holding up to a Nightforce under adverse conditions......
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#1410740 - 11/08/09 10:25 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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You can't say a particular brand is not a manufacturer just because they import their lenses. Even Leupold imports their lenses. I suspect there are no longer any lenses made in the US?

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#1410742 - 11/08/09 10:30 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: Jack Roberts]
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Not that I know of, and I agree with you. Leupold riflescopes are still mfg. in the USA though. Apparently some Nightforce models are also. Lots of scopes are designed here, but mfg. elsewhere of foreign parts. Zeiss Conquests are assembled here of imported parts.....
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#1410815 - 11/08/09 11:47 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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Originally Posted By: thegman1763
Hogghead, not going to get in a peeing match here but I believe you are wrong about NF. I have a friend in ID who is a machinist who interviewed with NF a few years ago for a machinist position with them. Be kinda silly to employ a machinist if you didn't machine or manufacture anything now wouldn't it?



By no means did I mean to start an argument. My main point was that NF imports(if not all) the most important part of their scope or scopes. The lenses. And these lenses are only made by a small handful of companies that make lenses worldwide. And these mfrs. make lenses to specifications. As I am sure you already know. And since they are importing this glass, and not making the glass---that makes them a "trade name". Or at least that is my opinion.

Since they do not make these lenses then they will be limited to what warranties they can offer for a product that they truly do not mfr. Or that they may partially mfr---or simply assemble.

And this by no means would limit them from selling a different product that is built to a different spec.

I have talked to a good bit of NF customers. And one of the comments that I have picked up from them is that there have been some different levels of quality in the past(I am sure they are not the only ones). However I have heard that these problems are definitely in the past.

I am not knocking NF. I am strongly considering the purchase of my first one. However I keep getting scared off by their limited production and IMO experience. $1800 is a lot of money for a scope with a lifetime warranty if they are not around in ten years?? Tom.


Ah, it's so nice to come to a forum where people are civilized & can have discussions without slinging mud at each other. Sadly, not the case with some other places I am registered.... eek

I agree that the glass quality is paramount in a scope but just because a company imports lenses or other parts of the scope, this doesn't make it a bad company or merely an assembler of parts & ergo, not really a manufacturer. I know it's slightly different but would anyone consider Rock River Arms to not really be a manufacturer of AR style rifles? Given that they don't make anything themselves in house & only assemble rifles, I guess they really aren't?

I work in the gun industry (now part time but previously full time) & I can tell you that there are very, very, few 'manufacturers' who do exactly that, manufacture every thing.

I would rather have a company realize that their strength is in the manufacturing of a certain number of smaller, really critical parts & farm out the rest of the parts to some of the finest names in the industry than try & do it all & make a mess of it. It's the care that's taken to assemble the parts that really counts though.

GAP make some of the finest rifles on the planet but they don't make a thing themselves. They use the best components they can find & the skill that is used in building the rifles is what makes the end result close to perfection.

My experience with NF has been with recent production & through work, not with plunking down my own cash for a scope. I sure understand the hesitation when thinking about laying out that kind of money & to be honest, I simply can't justify it to myself. I look at the scopes & think that I could buy at least 4 Leupold's (at dealer price) for what one NF would cost me. I'm not in a position where my life demands on my scope, nor do I do enough of the style of shooting that I would benefit from either a NF, S&B or other really high dollar scope.

I'm honestly not knocking the Huskemaw scopes as I only briefly looked at them at the NRA show in Phoenix this year but their weight & the price was enough to dissuade me from considering them. This was especially true when I spent about an hour talking scopes with the folks on the Leupold stand. Some of the new models of the VX-3 line actually come with a voucher for a free custom engraved dial which is a nice touch.

I can see the value with Huskemaw offering to actually shoot the rounds you specify for the dial to ensure that the dial is right, especially if you don't have a range to do that on. But & this is a big one, if you really don't have the time, range or money to shoot out at the ranges the dial gives you the ability to reach out to, you honestly should NOT be considering any kind of really long range shooting at big game animals. It's just not right, at least IMHO to do that.

Tom, nice to talk about this with you & hope you have more info than when you started! Best, George.

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#1410822 - 11/09/09 12:14 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: thegman1763]
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I wanna know if that dial is right at the bottom of the mountain, how far off is it at the top? What if barometric conditions change in addition to the altitude change? How about then? How about temperature? How far off is it when I go from Africa to Alaska? What if you wanted to shoot more than one type or weight of bullet out of that rifle? Guess you would need another set of turrets.

If you watch this video, you will hear them say it is "calibrated to the true BC". There is NO true BC. Everytime conditions change, I guess you slap on a new turret. Better bring a couple dozen along...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvCva8H9x3E

If you truly want to shoot long range with the utmost precision, carry around an ex-bal calculator to go with your standard duplex and M1's, as the Huskemaw has no real world advantage over either, yet several disadvantages, IMO.......

http://www.perry-systems.com/palm.htm
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#1410871 - 11/09/09 02:22 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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I can see using 1/3 minute clicks, they made an even 20moa per revolution
which is fast. And seeing mil scopes in 1/10 mil clicks are .36" @ 100 and
have a very popular following they shouldn't pose a problem. But looking at
the 100.00 price for a 6.00 dial I would believe the scope is no better deal.

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#1410939 - 11/09/09 09:11 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: bigwheeler]
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There is no "gimmick" available that will allow a shooter to avoid doing the 'work' before a long range shot. As stated above, data specific to each shot needs to be accounted & corrected for. And that simply can't be done accurately with a reticle or turrets based on constants...

Period.

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#1411003 - 11/09/09 11:18 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: knockemdown]
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I guess the older I get, the more skeptical I get. I have seen a bunch of companies come and go over the years. That is why I sometimes seem skeptical about companies when they offer life time warranties. And when they demand absolute top dollar for their product(and their warranty).

So the first thing I look for when these companies demand top dolar is longevity(how long have they been around), and do they control the production of their product. The only real way to control the prduction of the product is if you make it yourself. If you are buying parts from someone else then how can you have any control of the supply chain?? It just isn't possible. You are at their mercy.

When you look at established companies like Leupold, or Zeiss, or Swarovski you see both longevity and a company that controls their own destiny. That is the only point I am trying to make. IF NF lost their supply of glass then no matter what, the lifetime warranty would be worthless. Or if they lower their standards in a few years(like that never happens) to maximize profits(which is exactly what some shooter are accusing Leupold of doing right now---including me).

I was a bit skeptical about the Huskemaw scope myself. I was just wondering if anyone had any direct experience with them.

On a side note. We as Americans have accepted inferior products that are imported from foreign countries and made by cheap labor. That is a national problem that is farther widespread than just the sporting goods business. Although most of the sporting goods business has went overseas.

I would love to see an American mfr. step and take the quality first attitude. In an American made product. But where are they?? Instead they are all worried about making the fast buck. And I hate to say it but I think even Leupold is going in that direction. Even the "Winchester" is becoming a foreign importer. How sad is that?? My 1886 Winchester was made in Japan, and my new Browning 1885 Low Wall was made in Japan. Tom.
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#1411037 - 11/09/09 12:28 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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First off, 1/3 MOA adjustments are not to coarse for field shooting to 1K-Been there and done that.
Let's consider two different ranges: 500 and 1,000 yards. Many scopes used for long range hunting have 1/4 MOA turret adjustments.
One MOA at 500 yards is approximately 5.2 inches, so ¼ MOA is 1.3 inches.
One third MOA at 500 yards is 1.7 inches.
The difference is .4 of an inch at 500 yards.
One MOA at 1,000 yards is 10.47 inches.
One quarter MOA at 1,000 yards is 2.6 inches, while 1/3 MOA at 1,000 yards is 3.49 inches (say 3.5").
The difference between the two is .9 of an inch or 9/10 of an inch.

Which one of you can truly discern 9/10" point of impact change, when shooting one cold bore shot at 1,000 yards in field conditions? If you can, that is outstanding, but I know I am not that good.
Terrain and wind conditions are much more of an issue for me in the field or on the bench at 1,000 yards.
With the load I listed earlier, I changed the "sight adjustment specifications" in Exbal:
1/10 MOA adjustment and at 1,000 yards it would be 22.80 MOA
1/8 MOA adjustment it would be 22.88 MOA
¼ MOA it would be 22.75 MOA
1/3 MOA and the adjustment would be 23 MOA
The 1/3 MOA scope in this instance would be .12 MOA different than the 1/8 MOA scope or .20 MOA from the 1/10 MOA scope.
The ¼ MOA is .05 from the 1/10 MOA scope and .13 MOA from the 1/8 MOA scope.

So, when does the 1/3 MOA scope or the ¼ MOA scope become to coarse for long range hunting?
I don't claim to have all the answers, but I am convinced that the Huskemaw 5-20 LR rifle scope is sufficient for 1,000 yard kills, given the cartridge/bullet combo is capable and the one running it is skilled, under good conditions.

I have a Huskemaw optic and have viewed it comparably with NXS, new VX-3, Mark 4, and the S-3 Sightron.

The NF is made by the same company that makes Huskemaw, that is why there is such a similarity.
Huskemaw scope is also slightly lighter than the comparable NF. Both are made by the premium OEM manufacture in Japan.

Huskemaw has a zero stop which is standard in its scope, not extra cost.
All turrets are not created equal. The biggest difference in the Huskemaw turret is the built in wind compensation. When you dial the range, the corresponding wind hold is right there on the turret-No need to look elsewhere. Then you use the reticle to hold off or you can dial your wind if you are so disposed.

The last point that many fail to understand is that with the right cartridge/bullet, the variations from changing conditions is very small. Here's a rule of thumb for the 7mm Rem Mag (Berger VLD).

Correction for every 1000' or 20 deg temp difference:

At 1000 Yards, 1 click (about 3 inches)
At 750 Yards, 1/2 click (about 1.25 inches)
At 500 Yards, no change.

So you can use the same turret for most of your hunting conditions-IF you wanted too. OR you can get a 1/3 MOA turret for the Huskemaw-I have one.

Here is an example of how to use your Huskemaw turret in different conditions. We will call our hunter Joe:

Let's say the original Huskemaw RFBC is customized for a 200 yard zero, 1,000 feet elevation and 75 degrees, 50% humidity. It will take 16.25 MOA for "Joe Hunter" to connect at 800 yards.

Joe has been practicing at home and has become very proficient. He is preparing to travel to the Big Horns in Wyoming for an elk hunt in the fall.
He has determined the conditions where the elk hang out are 9,000 feet above sea level, 27 degrees, and 20% humidity.
He knows bullet flight is going to change, but how much?

Joe has several options.
He can order another RFBC turret for the conditions he will hunt in.
Joe could also order a 1/3 MOA turret cap from Best of the West that is a typical MOA turret cap, listed in MOA from 0-20 MOA.
On a side note, if you are constantly switching loads or you continually move your Huskemaw scope from gun to gun, the traditional turret listed in MOA is something you will want for sure.
A third option is for Joe to use his existing Huskemaw RFBC if he so chooses.
In the new conditions at 800 yards, it only takes 15 MOA. Joe's maximum range under ideal conditions is 800 yards.
The difference in vertical drop is 1.25 MOA or approximately 10 inches. Joe can determine the amount of adjustment that is needed at, say, 3/4 of his max expected range, which we will say is 600 yards. The difference at 600 yards between the two different conditions is .62 MOA. Joe can re-zero at 600 yards; this is simple to do even in the field. Just use a coin or cartridge case to turn and remove the flat silver screw on the top of the turret cap. Then move the turret cap 2 clicks (2/3 MOA or .66 MOA) and replace the cap. Total time spent…15 seconds. Joe's scope/gun/load combo now will be in the kill zone of his elk out to his maximum distance in good conditions.
Of course, Joe will confirm his zeros once he gets to his neighbor's house in the Big Horns.

Of all the people who have made comments on this thread, how many have actually used this optic and have followed the detailed instructions to get a field shooting confirmed RFBC Turret from Huskemaw?


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#1411048 - 11/09/09 01:03 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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Thanks XP. That is what I was looking for.

I am considering this scope for a 22-250 rifle that will be used for ground hog hunting. Conditions will rarely change. And I imagine my max distance for hunting would be 700 to 800 yards. However the rifle will be shot to 1,000 yards at our range.

It sounds like the turret system would work for this function. And under the conditions(elevation and weather) of ground hog hunting. Tom.
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#1411071 - 11/09/09 01:32 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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The mere fact that the number 10 is not evenly divided by the number 3 is what makes me not like the 1/3 moa thing. It is however by .25(4) and .125(8). If I was standing in front of you and said "divide 40 by 10" you would quickly return an answer of "4". Same as if I told you to divide it by 8, you would quickly say 5. If I told you to divide it by .333(3), your answer wouldn't come as quickly.........
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#1411081 - 11/09/09 01:44 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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[/quote] He knows bullet flight is going to change, but how much?

Joe has several options.
He can order another RFBC turret for the conditions he will hunt in.
Joe could also order a 1/3 MOA turret cap from Best of the West that is a typical MOA turret cap, listed in MOA from 0-20 MOA.
On a side note, if you are constantly switching loads or you continually move your Huskemaw scope from gun to gun, the traditional turret listed in MOA is something you will want for sure.
A third option is for Joe to use his existing Huskemaw RFBC if he so chooses.
In the new conditions at 800 yards, it only takes 15 MOA. Joe's maximum range under ideal conditions is 800 yards.
The difference in vertical drop is 1.25 MOA or approximately 10 inches. Joe can determine the amount of adjustment that is needed at, say, 3/4 of his max expected range, which we will say is 600 yards. The difference at 600 yards between the two different conditions is .62 MOA. Joe can re-zero at 600 yards; this is simple to do even in the field. Just use a coin or cartridge case to turn and remove the flat silver screw on the top of the turret cap. Then move the turret cap 2 clicks (2/3 MOA or .66 MOA) and replace the cap. Total time spent…15 seconds. Joe's scope/gun/load combo now will be in the kill zone of his elk out to his maximum distance in good conditions.
Of course, Joe will confirm his zeros once he gets to his neighbor's house in the Big Horns.
[/quote]


Ernie, I guess this is what makes my point exactly. After Joe has figgered out his $1000 scope is now gonna be 10" off and is done exploring all his options, and figgerin' all his new data out, and rezoin' his Huskemaw to the new conditions, or buying another turret for another $100, or whatever......It just ain't worth it to this cowboy. He has accomplished NOTHING that a standard duplex/target turrets won't do just as easily for less money. The Huskemaw is tuned for 1 BC under 1 set of conditions. As we all know neither are a constant.........
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#1411095 - 11/09/09 02:08 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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Let's take this in a different direction, Ernie. Tell me what a Huskemaw will do that any number of decent quality target scopes with standard duplexes and a verified drop chart will not do just as well (and some for a lot less money).......
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#1411107 - 11/09/09 02:29 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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2MG,
"He has accomplished NOTHING that a standard duplex/target turrets won't do just as easily for less money. The Huskemaw is tuned for 1 BC under 1 set of conditions. As we all know neither are a constant........."

I think most are aware of your passion for the standard duplex and turning turrets grin

What scope are you thinking about that has side focus, Zero Stop, 30MM Tube, plenty of MOA for LR shooting, with magnification to 20x (and it includes a custom turret cap. The 1/3 MOA cap may actually come with the scope in the future)that is so much cheaper that the general public can go to the store or order on the web and buy?

Can you get a scope like you want cheaper? No doubt, but some do not want to use what you prefer.

Some people prefer to use other ways to "skin the cat."

I do understand what barometric pressure changes to the impact of a bullet.
I have Exbal both on my PC and on my pocket PC, and I have a couple of Kestrels: 3500 & 4000.
The Huskemaw is a really good piece of glass, hunter friendly, reliable turrets and has a very functional reticle.
And, if you so desired you can get a standard 1/3 MOA turret.

I shoot all three ways:
Dot or plex reticle and turn turrets.
Reticle like Leupold's TMR, NF's NPR1 or Holland's ART
Last but not least, systems like the Huskemaw.

It is NOT hard to make adjustments in the field with any of the systems, when the conditions change.

Most of the time the conditions are NOT significant enough to warrant a huge change in trajectory.

Wind doping in the field is going to be a lot bigger factor than the other issues. This involves the hunter more than it does his optic.



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#1411112 - 11/09/09 02:35 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgun
Let's take this in a different direction, Ernie. Tell me what a Huskemaw will do that any number of decent quality target scopes with standard duplexes and a verified drop chart will not do just as well (and some for a lot less money).......


1. Once you are set-up it is faster than checking a drop chart and you never have to get off of the gun to check. I use drop charts with my other systems, and this is quick and handy. Also, you do not have to worry about losing or misplacing your drop chart (I usually have 3 with me grin)
2. Zero Stop
3. The reticle allows you to reticle range quickly.
4. The reticle allows for 1 MOA hold-offs or 2 MOA hold-offs depending whether you are on 20X or 10X (no dialing required)

More than anything else, is that some people just want to hunt and shoot differently than you do.
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#1411115 - 11/09/09 02:44 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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Side focus, zero stop, 30mm tube, and even 20x are not requirements for long range shooting. They are options, if one wants to pay for them, so be it. I can take a Weaver V-16, which has NONE of the above options on a 20 moa rail and do the same things for $350 OTD. Do you disagree? I hope not, cuz I've done 'em.

My main point here, is that unless you use an ex-bal program, which just so happens to be THE SAME exact thing that they use to customize your Huskemaw, unless you shoot under the exact same conditions(or close) all the time, you are NO further ahead of the game, just out more money.

You said yourself, the Huskemaw would have to be reset or ballistics recalculated, or another turret purchased under different conditions. I fail to see how this is an advantage. Under different conditions, the guy with the Huskemaw is in the exact same boat as the guy with the duplex, and real world conditions will need to be figgered by each to execute with precision. Do you disagree with this also?
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#1411119 - 11/09/09 02:59 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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If you can do the same thing with a Weaver V-16 then why would anyone ever buy a Leupold or a NF scope??

You got me on that one?? I better take a look at the Weaver scopes. I did look at one of the new Weaver 5-20's but they were also $1,000(almost). Tom.
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#1411121 - 11/09/09 03:02 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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Just making a point.I shoot mainly Leupolds, but I've known Weaver Classic V's and T's to track right nicely. Far better than anything in their price range.......
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#1411129 - 11/09/09 03:09 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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Is the Weaver a fixed power scope?
I don't keep up with the cost of the Weaver optics.

I said, I use Exbal.
I do not think the software that BOTW uses is Gerald's.

Off Topic: Gerald is a super gentleman, always willing to help shooters.

If you know the condition change, it is easy to use the current Turret you have (yes, you make an adjustment, when needed), and then you are back to range it, dial the distance, dope wind pull the trigger-Assuming good form and rest.

No matter what system one uses, you should always recheck zeros after travel.

I think the advantage or the difference people see with the system that Huskemaw uses, is that once adjustments are made, they like/prefer the simplicity of dialing the distance (NOT MOA or MILS) and having 1 MOA lines on the horizontal line for quick wind doping.

For the last year plus, when I have been talking to people who are interested about LR shooting, and I explain, the three different ways it can be done, a lot of people will prefer having a customized cap/dialing the distance or using a reticle (Where the MIL or MOA is internally listed) that requires little if no turret twisting if one so desired.

Turing turrets with a dot or duplex reticle has been coming in last.
FWIW-I have more scopes that require turret turning than I do the Huskemaw's or scope with Holland's ART in them.
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#1411146 - 11/09/09 03:39 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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V's are variables and T's are fixed X target scopes. Excellent values for the money, in term of glass, toughness, and repeatability IME.

Not sure which particular ballistics program they use, but the factors in the equation remain the same.

I could see people liking dialing in mere yardages on their turrets as opposed to mils or moa, I guess. It's just what I'm used to and it seems so simple to me.

I've no problems with what guys use or like or how much money they cost. As long as they know how to use the equipment and don't think it's going to turn them into the next Carlos Hathcock or David Tubb overnight.........
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#1411181 - 11/09/09 04:43 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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I shoot mainly Leupolds


Do you use primarily the VX-3's, Mark 4's, PR's???
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#1411213 - 11/09/09 06:05 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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Yes. With a couple Mark 2's and VXII's thrown in to boot. Have owned over 30 Leupys........
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#1411215 - 11/09/09 06:08 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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I use a 5-15X power bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot and target turrets standard on this scope. It has great glass IMO for what I paid and has 1/4" clicks. This sits on a .243 coyote rifle and gets bounced around on a daily basis and holds zero well. I can use the mil dot for ranging and hold over or I can use the factory supplied target turrets. A great scope for the money my .02

I would love to have a mark4 or nightforce but the wifey says no way!!! I have a leupold vari 3 on a 22-250 standard plex with turrets nice but I like the elite better.


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#1411217 - 11/09/09 06:11 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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Yes. With a couple Mark 2's and VXII's thrown in to boot. Have owned over 30 Leupys........


You have a lot more scopes than I do grin
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#1411222 - 11/09/09 06:16 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: ADCcoyote]
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I use a 5-15X power bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot and target turrets standard on this scope. It has great glass IMO for what I paid and has 1/4" clicks. This sits on a .243 coyote rifle and gets bounced around on a daily basis and holds zero well. I can use the mil dot for ranging and hold over or I can use the factory supplied target turrets. A great scope for the money my .02

I would love to have a mark4 or nightforce but the wifey says no way!!! I have a leupold vari 3 on a 22-250 standard plex with turrets nice but I like the elite better.



I have used an Elite like you have just for a short period of time. It was on a friend's rig-Glad it is working good for you.
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#1411225 - 11/09/09 06:22 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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There are a good 30 scope boxes on top of my safe of all makes and models.

I will say that I kinda like the Shepherd scope system, and Dan Shepherd is a great guy to shoot the BS with. Problem is, I can't get either of the 2 scopes 2 hold zero, even after sending them in. For long range work, I still prefer Mark 4's with M1's.......
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#1411235 - 11/09/09 06:33 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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Current LR optics:

Leupold Mark 4 FFP 6.5-20 w/ART Reticle
Huskemaw 5-20
NF NXS 8-32 NP-2DD Reticle
Leupold VX-3 LR/T 8.5-25 Dot Reticle
Sightron S-3 6-24 Mil-Dot Reticle (wish it was the dot reticle)
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#1411242 - 11/09/09 06:38 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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I'll be using my T-36 (1/8 min. dot reticle) for load development and possibly 600yd prone on my 243 that is at Kampfelds......
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#1411258 - 11/09/09 06:57 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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Current LR optics and Specialty Handguns (No Rifles Allowed grin) :

Leupold Mark 4 FFP 6.5-20 w/ART Reticle (Switch barrel XP/center-grip 6.5x47 Lapua, 6.5 WSM & 7mm Dakota

Huskemaw 5-20 Center-Grip XP in 338 AX, and 7mm Dakota

NF NXS 8-32 NP-2DD Reticle Rear-grip XP 6.5-284, 243 Win, 6mmx47 Lapua

Leupold VX-3 LR/T 8.5-25 Dot Reticle Rear Grip XP 6.5-284
This optic is also switched to a center-grip XP in 6-284 as well.

Sightron S-3 6-24 Mil-Dot Reticle MOA Maximum 7mm Rem Mag Imp, 6.5-284, and 6mm-6.5x47 Lapua

Barrels are all fast twist, and a number of different makers: McGowen, Broughton, Lilja, Lawton, Brux, Shilen, Douglas, Krieger

I have a couple of other scopes but they are long eye relief handgun scopes.
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#1411269 - 11/09/09 07:08 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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I'm thinkin' the LER thing is what turned me away from pistols chambered for rifle cartridges. Maybe I just didn't put the right optics on them......
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#1411327 - 11/09/09 08:02 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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I'm thinkin' the LER thing is what turned me away from pistols chambered for rifle cartridges. Maybe I just didn't put the right optics on them......


If it is a horesy cartridge a good muzzle brake and a rifle scope will let you do about anything.
Milder ones do not require a brake, but close to no movement is nice laugh
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#1411381 - 11/09/09 08:54 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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I hate muzzle brakes. Rather take the recoil and keep whats left of my hearing......
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#1411616 - 11/10/09 12:59 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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I hate muzzle brakes. Rather take the recoil and keep whats left of my hearing......


I always use hearing protection.
Double it when I am shooting from a fixed position.
Muzzle Brakes are necessary for some of cartridges I shoot.
Well, if you get a specialty handgun, now you don't have to worry about the long eye relief and short FOV-Now you know you can use riflescope. Might be a good time to try the Huskemaw wink
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#1411618 - 11/10/09 01:01 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: 2muchgun]
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I screwed up my hearing many years ago(Pretty stupid). I like the muzzle brakes. However I do not worry so much about the recoil of the rifle. I really like the brakes because I think the brake gives me more control of the rifle. And I think I shoot better with more control of the rifle. I believe the brake gives me a better follow through. But this is entirely unscientific. Just my opinion. Tom.
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#1411624 - 11/10/09 01:12 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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Originally Posted By: HOGGHEAD
I screwed up my hearing many years ago(Pretty stupid). I like the muzzle brakes. However I do not worry so much about the recoil of the rifle. I really like the brakes because I think the brake gives me more control of the rifle. And I think I shoot better with more control of the rifle. I believe the brake gives me a better follow through. But this is entirely unscientific. Just my opinion. Tom.


Tom,
Also a good brake will let you spot your own shot, which is useful, and enjoyable.
Ernie
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#1411626 - 11/10/09 01:14 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope--Long Post [Re: xphunter]
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I can imagine some of those hog-legs you shoot could get quite sporty without a brake. I've shot a few. 30-30, 30 Herrett, 7mm TCU, 7-30 Waters, 375 JDJ( I think that is the one that uses necked down 444 brass). A plain old 30-30, unbraked, is a good handful in a handgun, I know. They are just so damm loud. Might be another reason why I just go with a rifle or a big-bore revolver. I can remember shooting my T/C Contender .223 with 14" tube over the hood of my truck for the first time. Ear piercing, and that's not even a big cartridge......
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#1785572 - 01/08/11 05:37 PM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: 2muchgun]
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2muchgun...

I'm new here and couldn't help but notice your signature, so I've got to ask...

Why the beef with A-bolts?

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#1786449 - 01/09/11 09:01 AM Re: Huskemaw Scope [Re: gundog3801]
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2muchgun...

I'm new here and couldn't help but notice your signature, so I've got to ask...

Why the beef with A-bolts?


Oh here we go! laugh
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