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#1325208 - 07/11/09 01:11 PM Animal Cruelty
deerassassin Offline
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Registered: 03/25/09
Posts: 396
Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
http://video.hsus.org/?fr_chl=f42e3359c059f99def5af7a100609330b265f915&rf=bm
I hope no ones dogs on this forum are treated like these.
http://video.hsus.org/?fr_chl=f42e3359c059f99def5af7a100609330b265f915&rf=bm
I think this is a very cheap way to get a trophy animal.
Dog fihgting its all here. Canned hunts, dog fighitng, cock fights all these issuses are here. The part that they don't mention about the contest shoots is that what they are shooting are vermin. I do not agree with some of the things they say like bear hunting over bait and useing hounds is cheating because that is the only way to harvest those animals. So do not think that i am against hunting i love the SPORT shooting animals in pens is not a sport its just slaughter.
This vid is worst of all.
http://video.hsus.org/?fr_chl=f42e3359c059f99def5af7a100609330b265f915&rf=bm

Skinning an animal alive that is wrong.
Feel free to post what you want.

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#1325209 - 07/11/09 01:41 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Chris_Brice Offline
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Registered: 01/03/06
Posts: 1579
Loc: Iowa
You can't be that dumb can you? The HSUS wants hunting, trapping and using dogs for game banned. You're a perfect example of whats wrong in the US. They/You see a 2 minute clip and let their emotions guide them. Referenceing the HSUS site on any hunting board is a slap in the face of all hunters, escpecially dog men. Learn some facts and think (for once) before you hit the keyboard.

This is in no way meant to condone animal abuse. But what 99% of what the HSUS considers abuse we consider fair game.

CB

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#1325210 - 07/11/09 01:48 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Chris_Brice]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
all 3 videos are the same
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#1325211 - 07/11/09 02:20 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: trapper2]
Va243hntr Offline
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Registered: 07/06/08
Posts: 596
Loc: Lee County VA
First off bait and hounds are not the only way to take a bear ,hog, cat, or otherwise . It is only one means of harvisting an animal . Now if you wish to be brainwashed by the hype, smoke and mirrors whatever then by all means go ahead sell your guns ( at a cheap price ) wear nothing but hemp clothing and stay away from all the hunting sites together . I on the other hand will continue to keep my hounds ( which I treat better than some treat there own children) I will hunt coon at night and will raise litters of puppies to keep the blood alive that I have worked on for the last 10 years . Good luck in your decision . Happy hunting
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#1325212 - 07/11/09 03:20 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Va243hntr]
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Chris brice and Va243hntr hit the nail on the head.
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#1325213 - 07/11/09 04:25 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
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Posts: 516
Loc: Elgin, OK
Quote:

http://video.hsus.org/?fr_chl=f42e3359c059f99def5af7a100609330b265f915&rf=bm
I hope no ones dogs on this forum are treated like these.
http://video.hsus.org/?fr_chl=f42e3359c059f99def5af7a100609330b265f915&rf=bm
I think this is a very cheap way to get a trophy animal.
Dog fihgting its all here. Canned hunts, dog fighitng, cock fights all these issuses are here. The part that they don't mention about the contest shoots is that what they are shooting are vermin. I do not agree with some of the things they say like bear hunting over bait and useing hounds is cheating because that is the only way to harvest those animals. So do not think that i am against hunting i love the SPORT shooting animals in pens is not a sport its just slaughter.
This vid is worst of all.
http://video.hsus.org/?fr_chl=f42e3359c059f99def5af7a100609330b265f915&rf=bm

Skinning an animal alive that is wrong.
Feel free to post what you want.





Keep drinking their kool-aid....

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#1325214 - 07/11/09 04:34 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Gray_Ghosts]
Nufo Offline
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Registered: 07/10/09
Posts: 26
Loc: California United States
ARE YOU SERIOUS! I'm new here and this is my first post. I went through and watched a few of the HSUS clips and it is total rhetoric. One of the clips was on dove hunting and states a bunch of opinions why HSUS feels there is no reason to hunt doves. Also says that hunters shoot toxic lead shot.

Dove are excellent table fair and for those who didn't already know that toxic lead is everywhere. It naturally comes from the ground and has and always will be around.

On the hound hunting clip, they showed a bunch of sick hounds and tried to claim that they are hunting dogs. Dogs in that condition could not possibly hunt. I am certain there are people who mistreat there animals in every corner of the pet world. However it does not make it OK for HSUS or anyone else to "stereotype" hunters, dog breeders, or anyone else with the low life scum bags who do mistreat their animals.

Coach

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#1325215 - 07/11/09 04:43 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Aaron_Proffitt]
deerassassin Offline
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Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
First I DO NOT appreciate being called dumb by anyone aka CB.
2nd God were you guys right.
I do not agree with them at all. I said that skinning an animal alive is wrong and some other things but i knew better why do i do stupid things like this. I have never seen a hound be treated that way nor do i think that using hounds is unfair. I consider skinning an animal alive wrong and dog fighting. But i do ahve a question how is dog fighting diffrent from coyote hunting with hounds different. OH god i have fallen into there trap. But i never beleived that skinning an animal alive is fair.
This is nasty wether it is in remote occurence or often. I do relize that "canned" hunts down in texas usually have 1000 and 1000 of acers. I already knew this and watched the vid and let it convince me other wise.
Thank you guys I did not see the big pic that the vids were in remote occurence. You were right that they let peoples emotions guide them.
Click FUR then page over and click RACCON DOG.
In the end i still do not beleive skinning an animal alive fair or humane. But I still don't see how dog fighing and coyote hunting are diffrent besides controlling population. Glad i have smart adult hunters to keep me on the right track thanks guys.


Edited by deerassassin (07/11/09 04:48 PM)

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#1325216 - 07/11/09 05:53 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
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Loc: Elgin, OK
You don't see how dog fighting and coyote hunting with dogs is different ?


Thru with ya....

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#1325217 - 07/11/09 06:04 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Aaron_Proffitt]
deerassassin Offline
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Posts: 396
Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
Ok I got it now coyotes aren't anything except VERMIN. God do i say some stupid things.

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#1325218 - 07/11/09 07:57 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
duckdog Offline
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Registered: 10/27/07
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Loc: KS
I'll second that.

Tell ya what, take your keyboard out and shoot it then you won't have that problem anymore.
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#1325219 - 07/11/09 08:05 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: duckdog]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
I'll say it again.

Sumpin just don't add up here.

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#1325220 - 07/11/09 08:10 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
RePete Offline
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First I DO NOT appreciate being called dumb by anyone aka CB.


:

Then don't behave like a half cocked, uninformed, dumb azz...

I didn't watch the utube crap and don't plan to, but I would like to address one of your comments.
While I don't have any desire to go on any canned hunts, I could really give a rip if someone else wants to. Buttt if you think they're unethical and then buy your Beef and Poultry in pretty little celophane wrapped packages at the grocery store,,,, which I'm positave that you do,,,, I suggest that it's you that are participating in a far more in-humane and unethical act than just about any kind of hunter.
I ain't saying it's right or wrong but take a trip to a slaughter house some day...

As far as Coyotes being "Vermin",,, maybe they are,,, maybe they aren't,,,, but I have a damm site more respect for them than I do for you right now...

Any idea why god gave you two ears and only one mouth???

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#1325221 - 07/11/09 08:48 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: RePete]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
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Loc: north central okla
double ck, its starting to come together now
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#1325222 - 07/11/09 10:40 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: trapper2]
yfzduner450 Offline
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Registered: 07/07/08
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Loc: West Jordan, Utah
Wow DA,
I read alot of posts but write rarely, but this really [beeep] me off. Houndsmen take better care of their dogs then most people do. I like how they say hound hunting is for the lazy hunter. Thats totally wrong!! Hunting with hounds is the hardest hunting you will ever do. I better calm down because the anti's love this stuff. DA, I hope you don't ever post this crap on here again. You have alot of learning and growing to do. Good luck and happy hunting.
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#1325223 - 07/11/09 11:05 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: yfzduner450]
kirby Offline
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Not much to add here DA.

I'll tell you one thing maybe you don't understand. I've been a houndsman[coyote & Red Fox] for a number of yrs. I've hunted with older houndsman. We all took good care of our hounds, but hunted them hard. The dogs enjoyed the hunt. Always eager to go again.

I doubt you'll find another group of guys & gals/[houndsman]. That put in their time, effort & good treatment with their dogs. I've never seen any hound ever be mistreated. Yeah some got their hunting scars from catching their quarry. They were doctored up. The hounds were always ready to hunt some more.

My Dad was known for wading in on the fight along side of his dogs. When the fox or coyote got a good grip on his dogs. Cherished moments to see when I was young.

No doubt some people don't have the stomach for watching or being a houndsman. You know what....then don't watch them & don't be one.


Edited by kirby (07/11/09 11:17 PM)
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#1325224 - 07/11/09 11:33 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: kirby]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
saying that you do not see how dog fighting and hound hunting are different on a hound forum is just asking for a fight, and i think you have found what you were looking for, you have sure pissed alot of people off with this one DA, i went back and watched some of the videos and i've never seen any body that i know treat any dog that way, thats how they work, show stuff like that to the the weak minded and people that don't have enough common sense to see through it, and with this post i believe that you have shown your true colors, ryan
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#1325225 - 07/11/09 11:40 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
vargy49 Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
Posts: 1318
Loc: iowa city iowa
All 3 vids were the same that i played. Da if you ro they think that hound hunting is unfare chase then you or they aint got a clue.
We spend 1000s of hours working anf training out hounds. I have a [beeep] of a lot more bad days of tracking then good days. That means when a hound cant even smell his [beeep].
You know how many miles I have walked in to bayed up hounds. A few weeks ago bear hunting in Idaho we walked into hounds treed on a bear.
it was over a mile walk in. In wasnt to bad cause it was most all down hill. We let the bear go. Just took pics and walked back out with the hounds. Now coming back out was a real [beeep].
walking over a mile with every step being up hill. And i aint talking about a walk in the park. It was all in the brush and 90% of it was very steep.
Not being fare chase i would like to see these folks walk in with us.
Hunting with my Terriers in the barns. They get in the hay and have a coon located. We have to move
100 bales of hay just to get to the dogs. then put every bale back in place just like we found it. ( Not fare chase?) they aint got a clue.
The list goes on and on.

Vargy
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#1325226 - 07/11/09 11:44 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: trapper2]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Guys, I'm not sure if there is more here, or way less than meets the eye. Either way Heads-Up!

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#1325227 - 07/11/09 11:56 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: trapper2]
deerassassin Offline
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Registered: 03/25/09
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Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
I know that everyone i know takes good care of there dogs i think that every dog should be well taken care of. When i talked about dog fighting and coyote hunting i was talking about the killing part i know those dogs are treated very por. I did not intend to start a fight what i saw was wrong and now i relize after i acted like a stupid F*** that they wanted me to act that way. Sometimes you just know when you have f***** up to many times this was mine. I appreciate all the help you guys have given me even when i have said some stupid things you guys should me that i screwed up and i apologized and life went on. NOw i am done i no longer am going to piost ever again. That will solve my problem that i seem to keep coming back. But i am done thank you every one for all your help and putting up with my stupid rudicouls questions that don't mean [beeep] and posting some of the dumbest things that i have ever seen anyone post.

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#1325228 - 07/12/09 12:12 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
vargy49 Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
Posts: 1318
Loc: iowa city iowa
You said it again!!!!!!!
(When i talked about dog fighting and coyote hunting i was talking about the killing part i know those dogs are treated very por. )
I know a few guys that have done it and 99.9% takes better care of their bull dogs then there own wife and kids!!
Until you know that facts you should ask questions before you open your mouth!!!!!!!

Vargy
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#1325229 - 07/12/09 12:41 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: vargy49]
deerassassin Offline
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Posts: 396
Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
I ment all of this to be a question but thats not how i typed it. I hate the internet i could have talk to any of you guys in person and it would have just been a conversation but one here it is different. In real life there is body expresssion and such on here it is just as you type it. I have an idea I will put it hopw i ment to.


This site is about animal cruelty. I am on the hunters side I merely found this and just wondered what your guys veiws are? There are some pretty disgusting things which i have never seen before in real life.

That is what i wanted to say but when i watched the videos i let them take for the ride. You guys are right i must have a pretty weak mind to fall for such things. I know i have irritaed(its worse than that but can't wright those words) about what i have posted. What you guys are saying is true i am dumb, ignorant, etc. I know better than all the things i said. I would have never dreamed to say those things face to face to any hunter and I am a hunter. I hate this internet thing but it is a good way to meet lots of good people. Unless you get up on your high horse like i did and not think down to earth because I wasn't thinking. I will be true to my word and not post unless you want to make an example of me to other people who do stupid S*** like what i have started. Wether you guys understand what i ment or not i did not intend to start anything just wanted your opinion i got it but i did not start off the way i intended to. If anyone understands or wether your still p***** off at me i hope you guys will try to understand what i ment not what i said. In the end Double CK was exactly right that something just doesn't add up its my slow brain.


Edited by deerassassin (07/12/09 01:17 AM)

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#1325230 - 07/12/09 09:37 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Va243hntr Offline
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Registered: 07/06/08
Posts: 596
Loc: Lee County VA
First off if you wish to never post is your decision , second is that you are man enuff to admit that it was wrong or stupid ( your words ) I aint mad at ya any more . You fell into the trap that is set by the anti groups and let emotions take over now that said , I have also seen some of the vids put on the net by these groups and have been pizz off enuff to bite nails in half by them showing one idiot and what they have done , you have to take a step back and realize that 99% of hunters do not do these things you always have one that will screw things up ( poachers , dog fighters whatever )and the antis are showing this instead of the positive aspects of hunting and hunters this is what fuels their fires and set some people on their anti hunting tirates just take a step back and then you make up your mind on what is the future of this and other hunting sports . Get hooked up with some houndsmen go to some UKC hunts or better yet look into some of the high fence hunts and make up your own mind dont be fooled by the media driven massess
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#1325231 - 07/12/09 11:04 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
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DA,,,,,,, Being man enough to appologise is all well and good,, but you seem to keep doing the same thing over and over and then hoping to whisk it under the carpet with an appology.
Don't think so??? Just go back and look at your posts reguarding "Coursing" and "Baiting". Same same,,, There are others but that's just a quick sample of a couple that jumped out at me.

I understand that you're young and don't mean any harm,,, yadda yadda,,, but appologies are meaningless when ya just keep doing the same.
I've seen Duane and a couple of others try to temper your youthfull zeal,, but you just don't seem to appreciate their patience and continue to speak without thinking..

Seems to me that you just post to get attention,,, and that's not youthfull,,, it's childish..


I'll ask ya one more time... Do you know why god gave ya TWO ears and only ONE mouth????

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#1325232 - 07/12/09 11:20 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: RePete]
madcatter Offline
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Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 318
Loc: western pa
everyone as houndsmen need to stick together.
i clicked on the clip and after 5 seconds dumped it,anyone with any sense knows the propaganda they try and feed the uninformed.
you wont see me falling into thier trap.
there was a time when i play with pitts,staffordshires etc,-i still defend those that do,for my own reasons that need not expressed.

repete-i will take a shot at your question-----
so we listen twice as much as we speek????do i get the prize?
lol
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#1325233 - 07/12/09 11:42 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: madcatter]
deerassassin Offline
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Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
RePete I forgot to address you question and that is because you should listen twice as much as you open your mouth. You are correct I am a little childish. I never ment to start anything. I love dogs so much and love to learn how they work but the net doesn't help me on how they work so that must come from first hand experience. Because never once in all the hunting pages I have been to does anyone try to address if a a whole breed is cold nosed or other wise. Maybe you are exactly right i post to get attention never thought about it like that but it makes sense. When i posted that stupid question of mine the one thing i notced is that alot just told me how stupid of a question it was. Didn't address it at all just how dumb i was. Now in realaity the diffrence was explained by my mom who is so so on hunting which i already knew i just could put 2 and 2 together. You are right that i try to apologize because i said something i did not mean adly it has happened more than once. Before i make post that may or may not upset some people I will work on the wording so that it says what i want it to not just my opinion which is something that gets me in trouble a lot. I will say this again I say things on here and it doesn't come out right because i am obviously not putting in all that I ment. I could have talked to anyone of you guys in person and no one would have got upset becuase I am a happy go lucky kind of person. RePete I do relize what Duane and others have done for me and they have forgiven me. If you guys were to talk to my mom you she would say that i don't exactly think things though which is what my dad does and he screws up. But my dad has a I don't give a F*** attitude but I do care.


Edited by deerassassin (07/12/09 05:46 PM)

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#1325234 - 07/12/09 03:25 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
madcatter Offline
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Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 318
Loc: western pa
da-just speaking for me,i have beagles for rabbit/hare hunting.i don't know squat about hog hunting dogs or cougar dogs/bear dogs/coon dogs,but man do i enjoy the stuff here these guys do with them.if i do anything-its ask someone who knows(or seems to know)about the hows and why's they do what they do.alot(ALOT)of hard work and time must be put into the hounds so they can perform and just a few simple things can set a ball in motion that will obstruct the goals we have for our hounds.
remember-houndsmen must stick together whether its coonhunting/yote hunting/even the lowly rabbithound.if one area of hound sports get a bunch of folks up in thier [beeep],its just a matter of time before they set thier sights on another.

my father years ago when i played around with pitt dogs and staffordshires,really was upset,until he was informed of the rules,and the real practices and not what media wants folks to hear.
live and learn

heck they would find this clip offensive lmao
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#1325235 - 07/12/09 05:40 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: madcatter]
deerassassin Offline
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Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
Would you send me a PM with rules about pit dogs or could the this be used against you if the authorities find it?


Edited by deerassassin (07/12/09 09:42 PM)

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#1325236 - 07/12/09 05:47 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
deerassassin Offline
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Registered: 03/25/09
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Edited by deerassassin (07/12/09 09:40 PM)

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#1325237 - 07/12/09 06:55 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
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Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
What the Heck?

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#1325238 - 07/12/09 07:00 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
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Registered: 04/09/09
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Loc: South Dakota
My great grandfather, an avid houndsmen, considered by many to be one of the best in our part of the country in his day had a saying. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and just let people think your dumb, then to open it and let them know for sure."

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#1325239 - 07/12/09 07:34 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Cedarbutte]
deerassassin Offline
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Posts: 396
Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
I just figured out the post above. So i deleted what i said.


Edited by deerassassin (07/12/09 09:45 PM)

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#1325240 - 07/12/09 08:03 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
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Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 5783
Loc: Idaho (Clearwater County)
DA,,,,, You obviously don't know the answer to my question,,,, CAUSE YOU'RE STILL TALKING...

You seem to be getting the attention you're craving,,, so I'm done with ya...

Later

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#1325241 - 07/13/09 12:14 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
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I hope this kid gets his head straight,or at least is done being a pain in my @#$. We have all been patient, but at this point, I'm used up. This post was it for me.
Best of luck kid.
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#1325242 - 07/13/09 01:01 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Duane@ssu]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
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Registered: 10/19/07
Posts: 516
Loc: Elgin, OK
DA, you pretty much managed to pi$$ off the core of the houndsmen here with your crap.

Says quite alot about what you are trying accomplish . And like others have said, not everybody has the sand to be a houndsman .


Edited by Aaron_Proffitt (07/13/09 01:03 PM)

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#1325243 - 07/13/09 01:23 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Aaron_Proffitt]
deerassassin Offline
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Registered: 03/25/09
Posts: 396
Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
AP maybe you are right maybe i don't have what it takes to be a houndsman.

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#1325244 - 07/13/09 01:54 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
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Loc: Elgin, OK
Quote:

AP maybe you are right maybe i don't have what it takes to be a houndsman.




If so, what do think you're missing ?

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#1325245 - 07/13/09 02:02 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Aaron_Proffitt]
deerassassin Offline
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My love for dogs. I am willing to give it a try. I haven't talked to my dad but probably won't let me go with vargy just because of how suddenly it happened maybe if i knew about it and could plan for it i might be able to go. My parents don't make a ton of money they have to plan things. Maybe this is exactly what I need. I apolgized for everything and everyone forgives over and over agian what do I learn? NOT a D*** thing.


Edited by deerassassin (07/13/09 02:08 PM)

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#1325246 - 07/13/09 02:10 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
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Loc: Elgin, OK
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My love for dogs. I am willing to give it a try. I haven't talked to my dad but probably won't let me go with vargy just because of how suddenly it happened maybe if i knew about it and could plan for it i might be able to go. My parents don't make a ton of money they have to plan things.





Are you mentally prepared for the dogs to do what they do ?

Most of us aren't exactly millionaires ... but we work the dogs in to the budget.


What I am asking you is if are somehow conflicted with working dogs doing what they do, and if you can't accept that ; then it might not be the right form of taking game for you. Even if you were to stick with tree dogs, at some point ... the game will take place at the ground.

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#1325247 - 07/13/09 02:14 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Aaron_Proffitt]
deerassassin Offline
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I don't know i use to think the same way about deer hunting but now i love that. I am willing to give it a try and if i cry like a little girl after seing it several times it isn't for me. I do have a question though is the killing your guys favorite part? I want the true of corse you guys haven't held back on the true yet. LOL


Edited by deerassassin (07/13/09 02:16 PM)

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#1325248 - 07/13/09 02:32 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
yotekyllr Offline
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Loc: Northern NV

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I do have a question though is the killing your guys favorite part? I want the true of corse you guys haven't held back on the true yet. LOL







Give me a break....At this point your just agitating for kicks....Go to your Jr. High, disect some frogs, and annoy your biology teacher....Or stop playing with the keyboard and actually read, I assure you, you'll learn alot more...Your dad needs to teach you a lesson in regards to not stepping on your crank...Sorry JMO...

A better place for you may be the youth forum...Got some really squared away young men over there that maybe you should rub shoulders with....
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#1325249 - 07/13/09 02:44 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: yotekyllr]
deerassassin Offline
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What does JMO mean? I don't know the answer to that and i am not trying to agrivate anyone. Some people like to kill things like my dad when we went squirrel hunting he shot any animal he saw.


Edited by deerassassin (07/13/09 03:07 PM)

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#1325250 - 07/13/09 03:39 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Duane@ssu Offline
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I know I said "I'm done" but I guess I'm a sucker for punishment.
DA, I was gonna send you one last "PM" when I cooled off, but I'm gonna do this here in front of God and everyone, and you can make a choice.
What you are missing is the ability to listen,and understand,what is going one. This is not a "hit",just the way it is. If you want to change, only you can do that.
You know how much time I have spent with you, I have not always been nice, but I have been honest. You don't like being called a "kid" don't act like one.
I'm gonna do something way out of character for me.
I'm givin you one last chance,If you screw this up,"it's your baby".
I can't tell you what to do or not do, but it would be real good if you would for 1 week, just look at the old post, read the current stuff thats going on and learn what you can, without pissin someone off."Time heals" Give us all a chance to "cool off". You really pissed on some boots in the last few days.As for not "spoutin off" to a Dogman "in person" ? When I was a kid I ran with some real good Dogmen, had I said some of the dumb stuff that you say, they would have, at the least, "boxed my ears".At worst not taken me huntin anymore. You need to "get your head straight" You are way to young to have a bunch of enemies in the "Small world" of Houndsmen.Read this a few times, and realize that with me this is your last chance.
As for "Is it all about the kill????"
You might find your answer in some of the older post.
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#1325251 - 07/13/09 03:45 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Duane@ssu]
Duane@ssu Offline
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DA, I'm tryin to help you, and your being a "JACKA$$"
QUIT POSTIN!!! LET THIS BLOW OVER.WHAT THE [beeep] IS WRONG WITH YOU????
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#1325252 - 07/13/09 03:52 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Duane@ssu]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
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Loc: Elgin, OK
Quote:

DA, I'm tryin to help you, and your being a "JACKA$$"
QUIT POSTIN!!! LET THIS BLOW OVER.WHAT THE [beeep] IS WRONG WITH YOU????








That was funny...wait a minute... DA didn't come out and shoot badgers with you , did he ? Tell me that's not him ...


Edited by Aaron_Proffitt (07/13/09 03:54 PM)

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#1325253 - 07/13/09 04:17 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Aaron_Proffitt]
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Aaron, If that was DA, and he spent a few days here "he would have a different look at life"
No it was not DA .
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#1325254 - 07/13/09 04:34 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Duane@ssu]
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Loc: Elgin, OK
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Aaron, If that was DA, and he spent a few days here "he would have a different look at life"
No it was not DA .




Phew... I feel better than. Kinda figured as much, but you never know... some are thick headed.

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#1325255 - 07/13/09 04:37 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
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Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Caution Fellas!

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#1325256 - 07/13/09 04:46 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Duane@ssu]
bigfish57 Offline
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Loc: Maine, USA
I think DA sees the world in black or white. Truth be told there is a whole lot more grey than either black or white. [beeep] up until 6 years ago or so I was guilty of believing some of the misconceptions and propaganda out there on trapping. Giant toothed leg breakers etc...etc. But after taking the time to talk to a bunch of people, reading on the internet and taking the Maine Trapping requirement class from the president of the MTA I came away with a different point of view. I can't wait for trapping season to roll around every fall and I have since got friends and family members interested. Educate your self, reflect, pray on it if you must but think before you speak and treat others how you wish to be treated. There is always some crazy inbred fool like you might see on a HSUS but for every one there is 100K not even close by a mile. You need to be very careful when you criticize a whole group of people for 1 persons actions.

Young is a subjective term, if you believe that people hunt or hound to get their jollies off killing stuff you clearly are not mature enough to partake in those activities.

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#1325257 - 07/13/09 05:25 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: bigfish57]
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I'm sure this will all work it self out, as most things do.
Right now there is just some "Heat" that needs some time to cool off.
Ck, Thanks for the concern.
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#1325258 - 07/13/09 07:29 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
Dustballs Offline
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Posts: 861
Loc: Wyoming
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I do have a question though is the killing your guys favorite part? I want the true of corse you guys haven't held back on the true yet. LOL




Until you can answer your question on your own you wont get it.

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#1325259 - 07/13/09 10:56 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Dustballs]
vargy49 Offline
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Loc: iowa city iowa
You know if i was doing it for the kill i would carry and gun.
if I was doing it for the kill why do i run hounds 10 times in a row and might catch one or two coyotes!! Not very good odds Ha, I sure aint learning very well that there is alot cheaper and easyer ways to kill a coyote with out spending 1000s of dollars in hounds and gas ect ect.

Vargy
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#1325260 - 07/13/09 11:38 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: vargy49]
Workman Offline
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Clint- Can you or anyone around you out there confirm, for certain, that "deerassasin" is actually who/what is being presented here on this board?
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#1325261 - 07/13/09 11:45 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Workman]
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I am working on it by offering to go to my hunt with me!! We will see. He lives a hour south of me.

Vargy
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#1325262 - 07/14/09 10:05 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: vargy49]
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I have tried to leave this post alone but I can't , this guy is young and you can tell by the posts now most houndsmen if not all enjoy the chase either watching the dogs work or listening to them I love hearing a hound take a cold track and work it out getting faster and faster till they let out that long locate and then roll over to the fast chop ,chop, chop . DA once you get over the killing aspect of the hunt then you can enjoy the hunt ! now that said you got some learning to do .
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#1325263 - 07/14/09 01:12 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Va243hntr]
rolly Offline
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Registered: 03/21/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Free USA, South Dakota
Workman, I agree. Who's to say he ain't some 23 yr. old college hippy tree hugger animal rights activist? I think his account should be deleted. He's posting propaganda, asking about pit dog rules, saying things indicadive of an enemy, and continues to push the boundary. Somebody do an ISP search or reverse email check and find out who this "young male"......really is.

I see red flags....
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#1325264 - 07/14/09 07:04 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: rolly]
DTOM Offline
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If it quacks like a duck.....

Shoot it.

Tim
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#1325265 - 07/14/09 10:53 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: DTOM]
vargy49 Offline
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Folks. Thats one of my reasons why I asked him to go to my hunt so i could meet him and he could honestly see some great hounds doing their job!!
Trust me there will be some super hounds there to compete with.
I havent read his post above here yet to see what his answer is!!

Vargy
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#1325266 - 07/14/09 11:54 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: vargy49]
DoubleCK Offline
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Great Best Shot Vargy!

Certainly beyond the call of duty.

Quack Quack Quack.

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#1325267 - 07/18/09 04:34 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Va243hntr]
sooner Offline
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Trapper2,you know who this is and I will always be proud of you,you speak the truth and it will set you free,most don't even understand it less well live it.Pitting a trained dog bred to kill against each other,I don't think this is what God meant when he said he gave us animals for our pleasure,but for us to take care of them.A hound bred to hunt,is the most natural thing in my world,don't listen to the crap people say,watch what they do,you'll see you are dealing with mostly idiots.

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#1325268 - 07/18/09 09:53 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: sooner]
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Sooner, welcome to the board. I also have much respect for Trapper2, he and I do many things the same way.
Just so you understand, I don't think any of us "promote dog fighting", but I for one don't want anyone tellin me what to do with my dogs, and won't cuss anyone else for there choices.(whether I AGREE OR NOT)
"DO NOT JUDGE LEST YOU BE JUDGED"
This board is not the place for Houndmen to fight amongst our selves.
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#1325269 - 07/19/09 03:53 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: sooner]
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Loc: rochester, ny
i`d bet my hounds on it that da is a anti. duane will remember (jim) from my site that asked all the questions, some like if we do it for the kill and such. i come to find out he started an anti hound -yote forum and stole alot a pics from my site and vargy`s. vargy, i know you remember that well. it`s simple to see by going back thru da`s post that this is not right and hasn`t been for a long time. JMO, KC.
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#1325270 - 07/19/09 04:47 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: killcoyotes]
Workman Offline
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Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 1592
Loc: Manti, UT
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i`d bet my hounds on it that da is a anti. duane will remember (jim) from my site that asked all the questions, some like if we do it for the kill and such. i come to find out he started an anti hound -yote forum and stole alot a pics from my site and vargy`s. vargy, i know you remember that well. it`s simple to see by going back thru da`s post that this is not right and hasn`t been for a long time. JMO, KC.




I thought the same thing right off the bat, especially when he/she/they asked everyone to post pictures. Now with the far reaching attempt to link coyote dogs to fighting dogs, all out of the anti-hunter infiltration handbook. We could be wrong, but why take the chance, at least thats how I see it?
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#1325271 - 07/19/09 09:13 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Workman]
deerassassin Offline
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Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
Would you guys like it if i posted pics of some of my deer?

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#1325272 - 07/19/09 09:38 PM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
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DA, I'll be the dick here, and remind you that the best thing you could have done was not post for a week or so and let things "cool off". I have tried to help you for almost a year, you have done nothin but screw things up, your either to stupid to get it, or just don't give a $hit. I'm done with you.
Postin a pic of a dead deer won't rebuild the bridges you burnt with me.
If you are "legit" Then you are a young man, take all this as a lesson, and learn from it.
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#1325273 - 07/20/09 12:14 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: Duane@ssu]
deerassassin Offline
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Registered: 03/25/09
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Loc: Fairfield, Iowa
I get tired of everyone calling me an anti.

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#1325274 - 07/20/09 03:45 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: deerassassin]
dogwalker Offline
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Registered: 04/05/09
Posts: 57
Loc: Indiana
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I get tired of everyone calling me an anti.




then STFU!!!!

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#1325275 - 07/20/09 08:28 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: dogwalker]
RePete Offline
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then STFU!!!!




That's some good advice right there, but you're STILL to busy running your mouth to listen.

Guy's,,, I kinda believe that DA's what he says he is,, and what I said he was in my earlier posts. "A spoiled kid looking for attention".
I suggest everyone just ignore him, otherwise he's getting just what he wants.
And if he's an anti, then ignoring him is a good thing too.
I'm not one for censorship, but maybe this one needs to get locked down. It seems to have run it's course,and I really can't see one good thing that's come from it. JMO
Charlie

Oh,, DA did ya ever have the common courtesy to at least call Vargy and thank him personally for his kind offer?

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#1325276 - 07/20/09 09:39 AM Re: Animal Cruelty [Re: RePete]
DoubleCK Offline
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+ONE RePete.

Not sure if it's stipes or spots but this is a different cat.

Your suggestion as to how to handle it is a good one.

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