AviD
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I thought this quote from another thread I started was quite interesting and it got me thinking...
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I don't plan on shooting at our 25 to 35 lb coyotes at over 45 yards so the Rem HD BB's are about the perfect size and weight for the hunting I do.
The original poster is from CA, and when I looked back at GC's testing and results and ultimately his chosen load (3" Remington Wingmaster HD BB)...I noticed he too was from the west, namely MO (kinda central though).
Now when we consider yote size from East to West, there's obviously a signficant difference. Saving us from the why's, let's focus on the what's...that is...what is the average weight of an Eastern yote and a Western yote?
From Wikipedia,
Quote:
Coyotes typically grow to 75–87 centimeters (30–34 inches) in length and on average, weigh from 7–21 kilograms (15–46 pounds).[5] Northern coyotes are typically larger than southern subspecies, with the largest coyotes on record weighing 74¾ pounds (33.7 kg) and measuring over five feet in total length.
So perhaps weight is more of a Northern vs Southern thing (similar to deer)?
Either way it got me thinking, is the Remington Wingmaster HD in BB sufficient for Eastern yotes?
It seems phonebooks and magazines are the test medium for penetration, so how much penetration is needed to effectively kill a Western/Southern yote vs an Eastern/Northern yote?
Further, for those that have shot a number of coyotes (Eastern/Northern), what percentage have escaped wounded at distances over 40 yards and with what shot?
Do you focus your aim on head shots or body/chest shots to maximize the effective success?
I also realize not all states handicap their hunters as much as New Jersey does, and most Northern and Eastern states allow the use of buckshot in some form.
I also know of plenty of yotes that have been killed by Hevi-shot Dead Coyote 3" and 3.5" loads (T shot), some in the 40 plus range.
So, in summary, the questions:
1) Is Remington Wingmaster HD BB sufficient to kill coyotes exceeding 45lbs at ranges over 40 yards?
2) If not, is the T shot sufficient?
3) What is the best way to determine this (other than shooting at live yotes)? Are phonebooks and magazines suitable? Or perhaps some level of wood material (2x4s, etc)?
4) What's the highest percentage shot on large (great than 45lbs) yotes...head or chest? I'd assume chest, but I'm not an expert by any stretch.
I'm not sure if anyone has clear answers, but I thought it would be an interesting discussion.
Even more interesting is...New Jersey only allows up to size 4 (yes FOUR) during the regular small game season (where we can hunt coyotes). It is only during the one month "Special Night Season" where you can use muzzleloaders with a single projectile or size 4 to T or shotguns with size 4 to T during the day...and ONLY shotguns with 4 to T during the night. The only exception to this is when you are deer hunting (requiring a permit PER ZONE you hunt) where you can shoot them with whatever weapon you are using (ML or shotgun with buckshot or slug/single projectile) during legal deer hunting hours.
Pretty crappy...but thus is the communist state of NJ...pretty standard. You can shoot groundhogs with high power rifles (across vast open fields)...but not anything else at any time of the year.
Quote:
I don't plan on shooting at our 25 to 35 lb coyotes at over 45 yards so the Rem HD BB's are about the perfect size and weight for the hunting I do.
The original poster is from CA, and when I looked back at GC's testing and results and ultimately his chosen load (3" Remington Wingmaster HD BB)...I noticed he too was from the west, namely MO (kinda central though).
Now when we consider yote size from East to West, there's obviously a signficant difference. Saving us from the why's, let's focus on the what's...that is...what is the average weight of an Eastern yote and a Western yote?
From Wikipedia,
Quote:
Coyotes typically grow to 75–87 centimeters (30–34 inches) in length and on average, weigh from 7–21 kilograms (15–46 pounds).[5] Northern coyotes are typically larger than southern subspecies, with the largest coyotes on record weighing 74¾ pounds (33.7 kg) and measuring over five feet in total length.
So perhaps weight is more of a Northern vs Southern thing (similar to deer)?
Either way it got me thinking, is the Remington Wingmaster HD in BB sufficient for Eastern yotes?
It seems phonebooks and magazines are the test medium for penetration, so how much penetration is needed to effectively kill a Western/Southern yote vs an Eastern/Northern yote?
Further, for those that have shot a number of coyotes (Eastern/Northern), what percentage have escaped wounded at distances over 40 yards and with what shot?
Do you focus your aim on head shots or body/chest shots to maximize the effective success?
I also realize not all states handicap their hunters as much as New Jersey does, and most Northern and Eastern states allow the use of buckshot in some form.
I also know of plenty of yotes that have been killed by Hevi-shot Dead Coyote 3" and 3.5" loads (T shot), some in the 40 plus range.
So, in summary, the questions:
1) Is Remington Wingmaster HD BB sufficient to kill coyotes exceeding 45lbs at ranges over 40 yards?
2) If not, is the T shot sufficient?
3) What is the best way to determine this (other than shooting at live yotes)? Are phonebooks and magazines suitable? Or perhaps some level of wood material (2x4s, etc)?
4) What's the highest percentage shot on large (great than 45lbs) yotes...head or chest? I'd assume chest, but I'm not an expert by any stretch.
I'm not sure if anyone has clear answers, but I thought it would be an interesting discussion.
Even more interesting is...New Jersey only allows up to size 4 (yes FOUR) during the regular small game season (where we can hunt coyotes). It is only during the one month "Special Night Season" where you can use muzzleloaders with a single projectile or size 4 to T or shotguns with size 4 to T during the day...and ONLY shotguns with 4 to T during the night. The only exception to this is when you are deer hunting (requiring a permit PER ZONE you hunt) where you can shoot them with whatever weapon you are using (ML or shotgun with buckshot or slug/single projectile) during legal deer hunting hours.
Pretty crappy...but thus is the communist state of NJ...pretty standard. You can shoot groundhogs with high power rifles (across vast open fields)...but not anything else at any time of the year.