Looks like he's yours for keeps guys...cheer up

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The case with "legs" is still with the court.




Yes, but mommabunny wants to put his "it's already over" spin on it just like the lib media. Here's the headline "Court: No review of Obama's eligibility to serve" Kinda makes a guy believe it's all said and done doesn't it? That way even if it goes through it all appears scandalous and all of their poopy-diaper temper-tantrums, crying and rioting will appear to be justified.

You'd think they'd try something new now and then.
 
Whether the Supreme Court makes him produce it or not the issue is not going to go away. The longer it takes for him to produce a photocopy of his BC the more problems it will cause. What is on it that he doesn't want made public? Simple question needs a simple solution, produce the BC.
 
And BO's one page letter from his Dr. stating that he is in 'good health' suggests he has a health issues he'd rather keep to himself. I am too old to be able to spell HYPOCRITE but if I were not so aged, I'd give it a try in his honor. Something real fishy here and it ain't just the bait!

Ready for the RIOTs he mentioned 2xs though. Gave my oldest daughter my old SS S&W .357 Magnum to protect herself, her husband, their new son due February, and their pets. They live just a bit South of the location of where the infamous Tulsa Race Riots started back in the STONE AGE where I come from.

I sure don't want any of those 'riots' he referred to to start in my neck of the woods, but then I don't want to be empty handed if they do.

Think it can't happen?

Don't bet any of your paper money on that proposition!

Sam H. Asbury, III
Cleet #08 PIA 2782

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His arrogance never ceases to amaze me, and he has yet to take up residence in the Oval Office...

Questions yet to be answered:

A) IF Obammy is in fact a natural born citizen, why then has he not just put the subject to rest by producing the document? Easy, simple and BINGO it's over... But no!!

B) If there is something he's hiding... What is it? It must be something really bad... eh?

C) Could he be doing this "hide and seek" game for other reasons? He must be able to see it's creating a "rift" in America. Is it just his arrogance again? OR... Is the "rift" all part of a broader agenda?

As I sit here adjusting my tin foil head gear, I have to think that this guy is NOT to be trusted. A simple thing like a birth certificate and yet.... He thumbs his nose at the skeptical... Good way to create "trust" in your administration, pal!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif

Oops... Ny bad. My bitterness is showing!! Time for another cup of joe, a read from the Good Book and put a few rounds through my Kimber... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Looks like he's yours for keeps guys...cheer up



The funny thing is, Rabbit: he's YOURS for keeps, too.
It's going to be funny to watch you defend him when he screws up.
I think he has been thoroughly vetted.
After all, he wrote two books...... ABOUT HIMSELF .
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Bahahaha ! Wait till he trys to remove himself from Chicago Corruption. It will probably take a whack job on the Govenor Of Illinois... anyone that believes that Obama is innocent on this matter is barking at the moon.. He's a Liar and a thief... but he did Vow not to smoke in the White house.. Can anyone say.. Good bye Norma Jean?
 
I don't think there will even be a rebellion down the line.
Americans are too dumbed down, weak and yellow to start one.
Most Americans are completely stupid and illiterate on matters of taxes, politics, economy and freedom.

All the dancing and jumping around I read on the forum is wasted time. Wait until ammunition serialization becomes a fact of life and reloading is banned.

I want to see and demand of our leadership a Constitutional Convention. Then and only then with the proper leadership, can the b.s. put forth by our congress and senate be overcome. We as gun owners are not united. The NRA sold veterans down the tubes and is being infiltrated by liberal thinking.

Even the Primaries were fixed. Think about it!!
 
pc at least he has brains to defend himself ole stumbling Geo surely can't do that..... "the DECIDER" sheesh
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Lets see you got some idiot mad because his woman didn't win so he stamps his foot and asks for a bc from the Pres elect.... Why because he's a idiot ....I think B.O is offeded and quite frankly I would be too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Bahahaha ! Wait till he trys to remove himself from Chicago Corruption. It will probably take a whack job on the Govenor Of Illinois... anyone that believes that Obama is innocent on this matter is barking at the moon.. He's a Liar and a thief... but he did Vow not to smoke in the White house.. Can anyone say.. Good bye Norma Jean?

 
You know crippled eagle, seeing that you love to bash Bush, which is fine, it goes both ways, your always calling Bush stupid, how does it feel knowing he fooled the dumpacraps for nearly eight years and they couldnt get 0, nothing, nadda to stick on him although they tried their damndest! Looks to me like the dumpacraps are the dumbazzes! Now as far as Obama speaking goes, well I will give you that one! But you see, we have already been down that road with Clinton and he has worn that routin out! Bill Clinton is a bald faced liar and you know it but rufuse to admit it! What good is the best speach one has ever given if you dont trust or beleive what he/she sais? Perhaps even you, crippled eagle, can relate to the last statement!
 
Hey rubbinator
If you recall Bush had recounts on both the elections for pres
He set the precedent for shady election results
Bald face Liar how bout the king reb himself....Richard M.Nixon ?
Now lets see what happened to him??????
 
Dude, ECH, why do you care? Is your Frech socialist system so screwed that you have given up on it all together and have decided to bash the US? WE (I'm sure this will apply to DR too, but I don't see his posts anymore /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif), stop trying to prove that Bush was any worse than any other president. Your incoherent ramblings do little but irritate folks.

Everyone else... .

ECH, just to be clear, I never said I didn't like the smilies. In fact, I found a couple I'd love to put on this post for your enjoyment. I decided it wasn't worth getting run off of the site over, however.
 
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"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for the law, it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."
-Justice Louis D. Brandeis: Olmstead v. U.S.


How could it be happening? It's undeniable... in the past several days, malicious attacks against our efforts have increased significantly.

And in a particularly disappointing development, a small group of conservative pundits have come out of the woodwork and have come to the aid of President-elect Barack Obama on the issue of his constitutional eligibility to be President of the United States?

Even more shocking.... Why are these conservative pundits drinking the Kool-Aid and parroting many of the SURREAL DISTORTIONS AND OUTRIGHT FABRICATIONS already being spread by the extreme left?

And what's with the personal insults and ad hominem attacks?

Here are just a few examples:


In what constitutes one of the most sublimely ridiculous pills the American people are expected to swallow, we're being told that Obama has produced his birth certificate when, in fact, he has - and still is - actively resisted producing his birth certificate!

In direct contradiction to the above point, some high profile conservatives are flippantly calling efforts to compel Obama to produce his birth certificate, and thereby put the matter of his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution to rest, a "conspiracy theory." One conservative leader (and I use the term loosely these days) actually had the audacity to call Dr. Alan Keyes "an unhinged demagogue on the political fringe." Since when is enforcing the U.S. Constitution an "unhinged" movement on the "political fringe" or a "conspiracy theory?"

These "conservatives" are now saying that pressing the matter is mean-spirited and would disenfranchise the voters. I beg to differ. If Obama would produce a valid birth certificate, no voter would be disenfranchised. Of course, if Obama cannot or will not produce a valid birth certificate, then he would be the one who has, disenfranchised the voters. A man who knows he is not eligible to run for office shouldn't run for office and he should not cause 64 million people to waste their votes. The American people deserve to be given a choice between viable candidates. A USURPER in the process effectively takes away the voters' choice!

These "conservative" pundits have recently told the American people that the issue is settled... that it should be dropped immediately... Obama was definitely born in Hawaii, they say; and yet NO credible evidence is being put forth to validate such a contention. It's as if patriotic Americans are expected to shut-up and accept these pronouncements, even though all the evidence presently known puts the matter in dispute.

Others are saying that the issue of Obama's birth is a mere "technicality" even though Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is very clear on the qualifications for the office. "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President." It leads one to wonder what other parts of the Constitution are will be dismissed as mere technicalities in the foreseeable future by these so-called "conservatives."



What would bring about such a BETRAYAL? Who knows? There are probably a variety of reasons.

But one thing is certain.

Some prominent conservatives have already chosen what they mistakenly believe will be political gain over the Constitution.

It wouldn't be the first time. In fact, such behavior seems to be the rule... not the exception these days.

That means we can't depend upon these "leaders" to protect our rights!

And we certainly can't wait for them to get the message!

Our only and best hope is for grassroots folks like you to take the bull by the horns and demand that the Constitution be followed.

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If President-elect Obama is unwilling or unable to prove that he is constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States then EVERY ACTION HE TAKES AS PRESIDENT IS OPEN TO LEGAL CHALLENGE.

Our first priority is to compel him to prove he is eligible BEFORE he is inaugurated, but we must prepare now to challenge his actions on all fronts.

That means, when President Obama attempts to impose the so-called Fairness Doctrine, we'll be there to challenge it in court. When he signs a bill to force homosexual marriage on every state, we'll be there to challenge it. With your help, we will fight every action this usurper president takes.

Far too many of our so-called "conservative" leaders are already showing the American people that they will choose political gain over the Constitution. Someone must be willing to fight and be ready to fight. Someone needs to take the lead.









Wait Just A Minute. I Read That Obama Released His Birth Certificate.

"NO"... Barack Obama has NOT produced a vaulted copy of his original birth certificate - which in Hawaii is known as a "Certificate of Live Birth" (refer to the image on the right, you can select it to blow it up and open it in a new window).

What Obama released and what appears on his "Fight the Smears" website is a "Certification of Live Birth" (refer to the image below on the left, you can select it to blow it up and open it in a new window as well).

Of course, the mere fact that the terms are so close (Certificate/Certification) can only work to the advantage of those who want to perpetrate a deception.


Hawaii Certification of Live Birth
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Obama Certificate of Live Birth
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As should be readily apparent, the Certification (which Obama supplied) and the Certificate (which Obama has thus far refused to release) are very different documents. The Certification of Live Birth - also called a "short form" contains limited information and is typically printed when an individual makes a requests it.

The Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth - on the other hand - contains information that can be easily and readily investigated... information that could immediately answer one of the main questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

We would know the name of the hospital or facility (we presently do not), where Obama was born and the name of the attending physician or midwife. Following-up on that kind of clear-cut information could put the controversy to rest.

Then again...

...changes to the original certificate would also be apparent.

And, if that were the case, it could be a problem for Obama!

Reasonable people would first ask WHY changes were made and IF the changes were legitimate.

Discrepancies between an individual's original birth certificate and the certification of live birth could exist for a variety of reasons... legitimate, erroneous or even fraudulent.

For example, Hawaii Revised Statutes S.338-15, S.338-16, S.338-17, S.338-17.5 and S.338-17.7 actually address the circumstances under which an individual can amend his or her birth certificate (although admittedly, Hawaii is hardly unusual in that regard).

A more modern statute that has gotten a lot of attention on the blogosphere is S.338.17.8 which sets vague standards for the issuance of birth certificates to children NOT EVEN BORN IN HAWAII.

S.338-17.8 reads:

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

("b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

"(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]"

If such a practice is codified in Hawaii today...

... we can only guess at what was going on back in 1961!

Such a liberal environment certainly places the possession of a Hawaii birth certificate by someone not born in the United States within the realm of possibility!

And that's where Obama's constitutional eligibility comes into question.

Now we're not jumping to any conclusions.

The problem is that we DO NOT know.

The same can't be said of those who are spreading malicious distortions.

Apparently, a simple acknowledgement that such a thing is within the realm of possibility, and a request to the man who wants to be the leader of the free world to do something very simple so the possibility of a Constitutional crisis - no matter how remote - can be avoided makes one a "conspiracy theorist."

All Obama need do is release his original birth certificate.

It can't be that difficult.

The American people, particularly those who voted for him, DESERVE at least that much.






If President-elect Obama is unwilling or unable to prove that he is constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States then EVERY ACTION HE TAKES AS PRESIDENT IS OPEN TO LEGAL CHALLENGE.

Our first priority is to compel him to prove he is eligible BEFORE he is inaugurated, but we must prepare now to challenge his actions on all fronts.

That means, when President Obama attempts to impose the so-called Fairness Doctrine, we'll be there to challenge it in court. When he signs a bill to force homosexual marriage on every state, we'll be there to challenge it. With your help, we will fight every action this usurper president takes.

Far too many of our so-called "conservative" leaders are already showing the American people that they will choose political gain over the Constitution. Someone must be willing to fight and be ready to fight. Someone needs to take the lead.







Didn't The Director Of The Hawaii Department Of Health Verify That Obama Is A Citizen?

Again, the answer again is "NO."

But that hasn't stopped people from making that erroneous claim!

Kate Phillips of The New York Times:

"State health officials in Hawaii have declared that Mr. Obama was born there in August of 1961, and is a United States citizen... but that hasn't stopped a small squall of Internet-fueled rumors from trying to debunk his citizenship." [Emphasis Mine]

And others simply continue to duplicate the same error.

There are many but here's just one more example.

James Janega writing in the Chicago Tribune's political blog, The Swamp:

"Seeking to squelch persistent rumors that Sen. Barack Obama isn't eligible to become president because he allegedly was born outside the United States, a Hawaiian official has confirmed she has 'personally seen and verified' that the state 'has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate' - meaning Obama was born in the Aloha state, and is therefore an American citizen." [Emphasis Mine]

Notice that Janega is not actually quoting anyone in the very last line.

Janega is making an assumption (and a personal one at that).

An assumption that could conceivably be incorrect.

Journalists call that "editorializing," which is, incidentally, one of the very first things a first-year journalism student is admonished NEVER to do.

It's considered a grave sin.

More than that... to portray something as fact - even when there is the remotest possibility that it might not be so - is patently and disgustingly dishonest!

Of course, Phillips, Janega and others making these types of erroneous statements are referring to a press release issued by Dr. Chiyome Fukino of Hawaii's Department of Health.

Here's the press release in its entirety:

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."

Does Fukino say Obama is a United States Citizen?

Does Fukino say Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?

Constitutionally Obama's "citizenship" is not relevant. He must be a "natural born citizen" ... Right?

Fukino's statement is actually very clear and concise. There is little room for conjecture or leaps of logic. She says what she says.

She claims to have seen and personally examined Senator Obama's vaulted original birth certificate and she is prohibited by law from releasing it to anyone who does not have a "tangible" interest... in short that means she can only release it to Obama, certain family members as permitted by statute or as directed by the court.

And since we've just covered Fukino's statement, let's revisit Janega's article one more time and make another observation. Janega poses a question to the reader and then supplies an answer given by a third party.

"Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?"

"'Yes,' said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. 'That's what Dr. Fukino is saying.'"

Attorneys call Okubo's state "hearsay." It's inadmissible in a court of law because hearsay has a tendency to untrue in far too many instances.

Okubo can't ascertain with any certainty what was on Fukino's mind (unless, of course she followed up by saying "Fukino told me so herself" or something to that effect). Obviously if Fukino desired and/or was authorized to say Obama was born in Hawaii, she would have done so... but she didn't!

Do you see what else Janega did? He purposely asked someone a question so he could pose it himself to the reader later. He's not simply editorializing, he's attempting to give his personal opinions greater weight in the story by essentially using Okubo's statement as a straw-man to prop it up.

And so once again we are confronted with the same question.

If an examination of the original vaulted birth certificate would put this matter to bed once and for all and assure the American people that there is NOT the possibility - no matter how remote - of a Constitutional crisis, why won't Obama release the vaulted birth certificate?







If President-elect Obama is unwilling or unable to prove that he is constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States then EVERY ACTION HE TAKES AS PRESIDENT IS OPEN TO LEGAL CHALLENGE.

Our first priority is to compel him to prove he is eligible BEFORE he is inaugurated, but we must prepare now to challenge his actions on all fronts.

That means, when President Obama attempts to impose the so-called Fairness Doctrine, we'll be there to challenge it in court. When he signs a bill to force homosexual marriage on every state, we'll be there to challenge it. With your help, we will fight every action this usurper president takes.

Far too many of our so-called "conservative" leaders are already showing the American people that they will choose political gain over the Constitution. Someone must be willing to fight and be ready to fight. Someone needs to take the lead.







Didn't An Independent Agency Verify That Obama's Birth Certificate Was Authentic?

The answer again must be "NO."

The organization in question is FactCheck.org.

FactCheck.org's mission as stated on its website:

"We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit 'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding."

FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Foundation.

While the Annenberg Foundation has a reputation for being right of center, FactCheck.org has built a reputation over the years for being left of center.

And Obama does have a long history with the Annenberg Foundation.

You might remember that Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) and that CAC was founded by Weather Underground ring-leader, and Obama mentor, William Ayers.

Suffice it to say that this group's claims of impartiality are questionable at best.

However, Obama's refusal to produce the birth certificate is still the crux of the matter and probably the most vexing aspect of this case.

Why not produce it?

There are only two possibilities:

The first is obvious, his actual birth certificate would indicate that he is not constitutionally eligible to serve as President of the United States.

But the second option is even more vexing.

It is entirely possible that Obama's actual vaulted birth certificate indicates that he IS eligible to be President, but he's withholding it for reasons unknown.

Such elitist arrogance is a dangerous thing.

It would be a clear indication - from the get-go - that the future leader of the free world believes that the law doesn't apply to him... that he can disregard it as he sees fit.

Justice Louis D. Brandeis wrote in Olmstead v. U.S.:

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for the law.; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."

Under both scenarios, there is one option open to patriotic Americans
Obama must be COMPELLED TO PRODUCE HIS VAULTED BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

He must be reminded that no man is above the law.

And yet, for Obama, there is an ironic additional peril.

If our initial efforts fail and Obama is inaugurated, without resolving this issue, THE LEGITIMACY OF EVERY ACTION HE TAKES AS PRESIDENT CAN BE IMMEDIATELY CHALLENGED!






If President-elect Obama is unwilling or unable to prove that he is constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States then EVERY ACTION HE TAKES AS PRESIDENT IS OPEN TO LEGAL CHALLENGE.

Our first priority is to compel him to prove he is eligible BEFORE he is inaugurated, but we must prepare now to challenge his actions on all fronts.

That means, when President Obama attempts to impose the so-called Fairness Doctrine, we'll be there to challenge it in court. When he signs a bill to force homosexual marriage on every state, we'll be there to challenge it. With your help, we will fight every action this usurper president takes.

Far too many of our so-called "conservative" leaders are already showing the American people that they will choose political gain over the Constitution. Someone must be willing to fight and be ready to fight. Someone needs to take the lead.
 
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