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#1049253 - 08/29/08 03:25 PM 222 or 221 Fireball
bluestem Offline
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Registered: 03/19/07
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Loc: Texas
New poster to the forum. I looking at getting another calling rifle and can't decide between a 222 or 221 fireball. My grandad had a 222 and I have always wanted to get myself one, but last year I hunted some with a friends 221 FB and really did like it. If you could offer any advice, I would greatly appreciate it.

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#1049254 - 08/29/08 03:54 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: bluestem]
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Ok before any other smarta$$e$ answer before me, I will say it! Why limit yourself, I have both in fact two .222 and one .221 FB so just get both.

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#1049255 - 08/29/08 04:00 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Fireball221]
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Honestly, they are both great rounds and for the longest time the .222 ruled the benchrest competitions. When Remington came out with the first production rifle in the .221 Fireball the Remington 700 Classic, I bought one and love it as much as my triple deuces! It's a personal preference in my opinion. Either way you can't go wrong.

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#1049256 - 08/29/08 04:01 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Fireball221]
17ACKLEYBEE Offline
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Registered: 02/18/08
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Loc: Washgington
I'll say this I've never had a problem finding .222 brass. Now .221 fireball is another story. I like the fireball but if I could only have one it's the .222 hands down.
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#1049257 - 08/29/08 07:23 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: 17ACKLEYBEE]
Karl in Phoenix Offline
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Registered: 09/29/02
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
I have two .221FB CZ rifles and both are super duper shooting rifles.

The Fireball burns little powder and is relatively quiet and extremely accurate.

Get the Fireball. New factory ammo is easy to get at Sportsman's Warehouse (I buy a few boxes every time I go there).

My CZ rifles shoot Rem factory ammo sub-half MOA.

They kill coyotes very well for all my shots, so far (all taken at less than 140 yards).

Good hunting,

Karl in Phoenix
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#1049258 - 08/29/08 07:26 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Karl in Phoenix]
Karl in Phoenix Offline
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
Bluestem,

The CZ .221 Fireball is a rifle scaled-down to the size of the cartridge.

Hold one and work the single-set trigger and you will be a quick convert to the mini-mauser CZ.

Good Hunting,

Karl in Phoenix
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#1049259 - 08/29/08 07:38 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Karl in Phoenix]
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 2365
Loc: WA
The 222 is a great old cartridge and will do anything the 221 will in the same size and weight rifle. Plus it will get up near 223 if you need the extra umph. The 221 was developed for a short barrelled pistol that couldn't make use of the extra capacity of the 222.


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#1049260 - 08/29/08 07:46 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: AWS]
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Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 315
Loc: Cabot, AR USA
Another vote for the triple duece!

If for no other reason then the availablity of brass, seems to be a shortage on the 221FB.
I do own the 221FB, but in the Contender platform(so it might be the reason it's so picky about the load?)
My triple duece is actually a Savage action with a PacNor barrel....way to accurate!




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#1049261 - 08/29/08 07:50 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Karl in Phoenix]
PABob Offline
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Registered: 12/18/07
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Loc: SW Pa
I have a Remington 722, Mod 7 and Sako L461 Vixen in .222 plus a Rem 700 LVSF in .221 Fireball and love them all. The .222's handle the 50 gr. bullets a little better than the Fireball but with 40 gr. Sierra BK's the Fireball is just awsome.

For varmint's, I think it's a dead heat between the two. For coyotes, I think the .222 with the 50 or 55 gr. bullets might be just a little better.

All in all, you won't go wrong with whatever you pick.
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#1049262 - 08/29/08 07:54 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: AWS]
Blackhawk43 Offline
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Registered: 03/24/08
Posts: 1114
Loc: Nebraska
I think both are nearly identical cartridges, relativly quiet, minimal recoil, and both benifit from reloading. I believe both are at their best with 40 grain bullets, preferably nosler ballistic tips. You would not go wrong with either, but you will probably wind up with at least one of each.

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#1049263 - 08/29/08 07:57 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: sdb777]
chris112 Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
Posts: 1429
Loc: SD
Never used or owned a 221 Fireball so am saying nothing about it. BUT I love my 222. Most people that I know of won't part with one if they have it which says a lot about them.

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#1049264 - 08/29/08 08:18 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: chris112]
Matt N. Offline
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Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 1612
Loc: SE Oklahoma
I also have both and would not do without either. You really can't go wrong with either one...... if you handload. There is not a wide selection of factory ammo for the Fireball.

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#1049265 - 08/29/08 08:28 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Matt N.]
kunas Offline
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Registered: 02/15/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: winchester va
i have and always will have both, i like the little fireball but as stated above the brass and factory offerings are better for the duece at 1 time the duece was known to be exceptionaly accurate which they still are but i think that alot of other rounds have caught them. i know that both of my fireballs will shoot with my 222s 1 other thing to think about if you reload and plan on getting a 223 it is very easy to mix the 223 and 222 brass when loading unlike the fireball Ron

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#1049266 - 08/29/08 08:47 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: bluestem]
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Registered: 10/21/07
Posts: 3432
Loc: Southwest Idaho
Love the little Furball! I never knew such a small thing could be such fun! And accurate!

Took a whole bunch of ground squirrels with mine once again this year with a couple of them at over 275 yards, and just plain wore out many dozen praire dogs with it at like yardages out in Wyoming too. As a matter of fact, if I could only take two centerfires with me (my varminter AR-15 being 1st pick) to shoot praire dogs with it would be one of them.

No stones being hurled at the triple duece, not at all, but it takes a back seat in the fun department to the 221. Get one!
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#1049267 - 08/29/08 09:03 PM Re: 222 or 221 Fireball [Re: Rustydust]
Karl in Phoenix Offline
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Registered: 09/29/02
Posts: 808
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
The .221 Fireball has a passionate following. It fills a place where the power of a .222Rem/.223Rem/5.56x45mm may not be needed and where accuracy is prized.

In a 22 inch rifle, the little Fireball performs way beyond the size of the little cartridge case.

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