Have another G2, 243 on the way

Posted by: 204 AR

Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/19/22 08:45 PM

I was going to hold off, but threw a bid on one and got it for $755. Used, not threaded, so we'll see what kind of shape it's in. Couldn't go wrong for that price I thought.
Posted by: Mike B

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/19/22 08:58 PM

Not bad at all,I'd say!
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/19/22 09:10 PM

Yeah you can't build much for that money. Plus I have a few extra barrels that fit this pattern rifle.
Posted by: AdamT

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/19/22 09:44 PM

Sounds like a darn good deal to me.
Posted by: docjon2013

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/20/22 06:44 AM

I see they have another one. Do yours have the 18" barrel? I'm tempted.

Thanks
Jon
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/20/22 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: docjon2013
I see they have another one. Do yours have the 18" barrel? I'm tempted.

Thanks
Jon


They've had a lot of them in different configurations, and that desciription is the same as mine, they didn't change a thing. At first I thought they were scamming, but there's way too many good reviews for that. Mine shipped yesterday so they were fast about that.

I'm sure it's a 20" barrel, and I'm not sure where they get 18 from but the g2 hunters were 16 or 20. I think the old hunters were 18.

I can't figure out where they got so many used ones, like they bought out the remington repair facility? I hope it works lol. Not too worried though.
Posted by: docjon2013

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/20/22 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: 204 AR
Originally Posted By: docjon2013
I see they have another one. Do yours have the 18" barrel? I'm tempted.

Thanks
Jon


They've had a lot of them in different configurations, and that desciription is the same as mine, they didn't change a thing. At first I thought they were scamming, but there's way too many good reviews for that. Mine shipped yesterday so they were fast about that.

I'm sure it's a 20" barrel, and I'm not sure where they get 18 from but the g2 hunters were 16 or 20. I think the old hunters were 18.

I can't figure out where they got so many used ones, like they bought out the remington repair facility? I hope it works lol. Not too worried though.


I might have to throw my hat in and see what happens.

Jon
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/20/22 02:47 PM

I'll post my first impressions when it arrives. No arrival date yet on tracking.
Posted by: steve garrett

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/22/22 02:17 PM

Dpms gen 2?
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/22/22 08:09 PM

Yes
Posted by: .17mist

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/22/22 09:50 PM

Nice find! Where did you buy it from?
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/22/22 10:05 PM

Gunbroker
Posted by: steve garrett

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/23/22 04:22 PM

What kind of accuracy do people see with these generally?
Posted by: Dultimatpredator

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/23/22 08:56 PM

When you get it please post the weight of you have a scale. I was looking for one and ended up with a 20Ē BCA and a 22Ē BCA(AR Stoner) uppers. I put them both on Aero M5 lowers. Iíve only tried 55 grain NBTs and 60 grain Seirra HPs out of them so far. Best groups out of both were in the .3ís. I need a 243 G2 to add in the mix.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/23/22 10:28 PM

I don't have a scale good enough, but I think they're listed at 7 and a half. It will be my second one, they're impressively light.
Posted by: kooman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/24/22 06:41 PM

I saw they had another auction end last night I think it was, anyone see what that one went for? They have another listed now too
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/24/22 06:49 PM

No I missed it, but I bet it wasn't much.
Posted by: SubpaR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/26/22 12:41 AM

Are you going to get it threaded?
Posted by: P&Y

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/26/22 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: steve garrett
What kind of accuracy do people see with these generally?


Excellent IME, 1/2 moa
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/26/22 09:22 AM

Originally Posted By: SubpaR
Are you going to get it threaded?


I'll swap out the barrel to one of my threaded ones while I find someone to thread the barrel that's on it, if in fact it isn't threaded. I don't have a lot of faith in their description or pictures as they're now selling the third rifle using the same pics.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/26/22 04:11 PM

So I just brought it home and am cleaning it up. It's seen some use lol, a lot of use. The recievers are in good shape, a few nicks on the mag well. I took the float tube off and that went well.

My first reaction when I noticed the gas tube had some heat discoloration was "oh boy". The throat is not good, lots of alligator hide, I'm guessing at least 1k rounds. Or just ran really hot in a dog town or at the range.

I knew that was a possibility with a 243 going in, and wasn't concerned since I have more barrels. Still a bit of a bummer, so I wanted to update quickly in case someone was on the fence. The current one is at $855 and I'm not sure I'd do that unless you're sitting on some barrels or want to re-use the barrel extension and have one made up. Of course who knows what any others look like.

It came in a hard case, no mags. And the barrel is 20" just like my others. I don't think I'll bother getting this one threaded, I may use the extension for something else, like 22 creed drool...
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/26/22 06:01 PM

I got it all back together, lapped the upper first and everything went well. Drilled and tapped the gb for a set screw to make it adjustable, cleaned up the bcg. The 2 stage trigger broke at 1.25 first stage, 4.75 total so it was normal but heavier than I like so I'll tune that shortly. I loaded up 8 rounds with 58 vmax and 44 gr varget in Win cases to test fire, all functioned perfectly, good primer dimple, lock back on pmag and good accuracy at 200 on my steel. 3 in maybe 1.5 to 2" in the 20 mph cross wind.
Posted by: P&Y

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/26/22 11:42 PM

That's some impressive work 204! If there's better coyote medicine than a 243 G2 loaded with 58s, I don't know what it is.
Posted by: SubpaR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/27/22 01:31 AM

Sounds like a great buy!
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/27/22 08:26 AM

Thanks guys, I look forward to working with it some more and tuning that load. I should be able to get the 58s above 3600 I hope, even with the kind of short barrel.
Posted by: Dultimatpredator

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/27/22 02:21 PM

CDNN investments had 243 chambered G2 barrels around the $80 or less last summer. Im sure they are long gone by now.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/27/22 02:34 PM

Yeah I snagged a couple 2 years ago, heck of a deal.
Posted by: Dultimatpredator

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 10:22 AM

I was going to myself and bought 3, 243 BCA uppers instead at the time.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 10:37 AM

Funny timing, I was just looking at bca a few minutes ago. It looks like they abandoned the 243 in favor of 6.5 creedmoor. Imagine that.

I remember you getting those, sounds like they do well for you. I just like this smaller platform but it sure has been abandoned. It's a shame.

I've been chatting with a local smith. He'd need a new barrel extension tool to be able to spin me up a barrel for it. Of course it's different than either traditional size BE. And good luck finding one of those lol.
Posted by: steve garrett

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 12:31 PM

its really tooo bad that DPMS didn't offer all the G2 stuff as parts.
Posted by: kooman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 03:19 PM

The 3rd one sold for 1225. Someone might be disappointed
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 03:23 PM

Yikes. I wonder what the 2nd one brought. I also wonder if they were test guns? How did they come up with so many identical used rifles?
Posted by: kooman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 05:04 PM

Looks like # 4 is on the block now
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 06:52 PM

I will have to follow that one. I feel like I stole this thing. I bet the seller does too lol.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 06:59 PM

I was curious what the 58s would do. I had some data from 2 years ago with them and varget so I started there. I worked up to 44.8, Win brass, cci 200 primers, seated 2.61" which was just random as you can't touch the lands. Very small data set, but 44.8 wasn't much higher than 44, so I dropped to 44.2 and am happy with this:



Keep in mind the incessant wind, 15 mph probably, from 1 oclock, 200 yd groups. They actually look smaller in person lol, but under 2" for sure. The taped ones are the 44.8. I had another group lower on the target before I got it dialed up that looked the same using 44.5, so I think this dog will hunt.

Posted by: Dultimatpredator

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 01/28/22 11:21 PM

BCA discontinued the 243 chambering shortly after the Covid toilet paper panic. I believe they were just selling out what they had afterwards. I have around $550 originally invested in each upper and M5 complete lowers. Iím sure you probably couldnít find one for what it cost for both together now.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/02/22 10:00 PM

I forgot to watch the last one sell, but with a day left it was only 715. Now they have another r25 gii 308 up.
Posted by: kooman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/02/22 10:34 PM

Last one went for 885
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/02/22 11:00 PM

Not terrible I guess.
Posted by: Zcustom

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/03/22 06:18 AM

I wish I bought 2 when I got my G2. It is so close in weight to my .223 ar's that I really don't notice it. Found a good 55g bt load that works really well. I think if enough people knew about the small frame G2's they would not have gone away.
Posted by: tractorman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 08:53 AM

You guys have got me interested now, I have an old R25 in 243 what is the weight difference? Also are there any aftermarket companies that use the G2? I remember when it came out.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 10:24 AM

Originally Posted By: tractorman
You guys have got me interested now, I have an old R25 in 243 what is the weight difference? Also are there any aftermarket companies that use the G2? I remember when it came out.


You would notice a big difference between stock rifles. Lighter for sure, how much? Half a pound I believe anyway. They just feel different.

The old R25 handguard, I believe, is the old DPMS 308 size aluminum tube, which is larger in diameter, like 2 1/4" maybe, compared to 2" for a normal ar15 or the G2. The old recievers are 1/2" or so longer, and deeper top to bottom, and a bit fatter. You can make a dang nice and light rifle with the old receivers now with all the stuff that's available, but they didn't have it available when they came out with the factory R25.

Actually I think I'll do some measuring and post up some specs when I get the chance, I'm kind of interested to know exactly myself.
Posted by: tractorman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 12:03 PM

Thanks. That would be awesome. I might have to pick your brain on lightening this rig up? It is heavy so it does not see much use. It would do good to have had a box of shells through it. I have a few ARs but do not know the ins and outs of them as much. I am going to fix up a designated night rig when I get a thermal scope in 6mm. It will be either a 243 or a 6 creed I think for now. As a matter of fact I never got to take a good liking to an AR until I bought the cheaper Seekins 223 last summer for culling some deer out of the bean fields. I really liked the way that little rifle felt.
Posted by: tractorman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 12:04 PM

I believe you are correct on the R25. I think it was just a camoed DPMS.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 12:25 PM

Here's a few numbers to chew on.

Old style:

Receiver length, 8 15/16"
Upper height, 2.2", there were two heights on the dpms old style, mine is high, but I adjusted the number down to where the low one would be.
Upper thickness, 1.7", and again this will vary a bit, this is the dpms slick side, which is probably one of the fatter ones.
Carbon fiber float tube diameter, 2.1". This is smaller than their aluminum tubes by a good margin, they are 2.25" iirc?
BCG, 1.1" by 8 3/4"



G2:
Receiver length, 8 3/8"
Upper height, 1.9"
Upper thickness, 1.35"
Carbon fiber float tube diameter, 2"
Bcg, .935" by 8 1/4"

ar15:
Receiver length, 7 3/4"
Upper height, 1.85"
Upper thickness, 1.2"
Aluminum float tube diamerter, 2"
Bcg, .935" by 7 1/2"

Here's a visual of the bcg's.

Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 12:41 PM

Tractorman, there's a LOT of updated furniture you could put on your R25 to lighten it a little, and make it feel a bit smaller perhaps. I wear a medium to large glove, so not big hands, and that big float tube is always what bothered me the most. A slim m-loc tube would go a long ways towards changing the feel of the rifle. It won't save a ton of weight though.

For kicks, look on GB at what those are bringing, around 1500. I don't see any atm, but there were a couple recently. I would consider selling, and building what you want from the ground up. Aero makes nice receivers fyi from what I can tell.

Conversely, the gii stuff is going fairly cheap. There's no 243's on there now, they must have dried up, but there will be something at some point. 243 is always a crap shoot if they're shot out or not. And the barrels are not interchangeable between the two styles, so to rebarrel you either have to have a stash of factory barrels like me, or find someone who can re-use the BE and make you up one. There are a few aftermarket out there, mostly 6.5 Creed and 308.
Posted by: tractorman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/05/22 02:41 PM

Thanks. That was a big help.
Posted by: baitpile

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/06/22 10:42 AM

204AR has the info and has shot this stuff extensively. He is spot on. I have not shot the G2, but understand it was a game changer in the large frame AR world. He is also correct on the after market parts for the G2, they are G2 ONLY. What you find with the LR308 or R25, is that alot of the after market parts, in fact most, are using the LR308 as a base line. In other words, most parts you can find are all referenced to LR308 compatible, or DPMS pattern. Float tubes, barrels, BCG, bolts, etc...
Now, you are still stuck with the LR308 receivers, but like AR204 stated, you can really change the feel and in some cases, lose a few ounces.
Having said all that, I did have an LR308 laying around for years that never got shot due to weight and bulk. Having a thermal, and wanting to play around in the AR platform, I got to thinking .243 for that rifle. I spun a Wilson Combat 16" barrel on it, real skinny float tube, and a light adjustable stock on it. That changed that rifle night and day! We are probably talking ounces in the weight change, but the feel was phenomonal. Again, this was all possible because the after market part world is primarily all referened to the DPMS pattern.

1229(3) by jrhranch, on Flickr
Posted by: baitpile

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/06/22 10:48 AM

I did not weigh the two between changes, but this one is lighter than my 20" chassis 22-250 that I had my thermal on. I also stuck a pmag 10 rounder in there to replace that steel mag. Again, huge change in feel, that bulky mag is just not in the way anymore.
This was just a way I could utilize what I already had laying around. I was pleased with the end result. YMMV.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/06/22 03:08 PM

Well put BP, your rifle looks great too. How does that WC barrel shoot? I've read good things and the price point isn't bad either.

What you said about the handguard is spot on. That huge tube DPMS used for years turned a lot of people off imo.

How does yours shoot now tractorman? That would probably be the deciding factor for me, if it shoots great, rebuilding to your liking wouldn't cost much really. Those barrels were pretty slim but not threaded iirc.
Posted by: baitpile

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/06/22 04:11 PM

204,
The barrel seemed to shoot good. It was kind of an expedited affair because we were already in the height of coyote hunting. Minimal load work up gave me a 75 gr sierra hp load that I was satisfied with given the time I spent. So, you might say my barrel is still breaking in smile.
I bought it on sale for like $237. I was very satisfied with the quality. The only thing I will say is, although the 16" barrel is awesome for weight and balance, it will handicap you a bit for speed. But inside 200, the coyote doesn't know that. Think I'm running the 75 gr at 3000, maybe 2990 something.
Because the Hogster is so light, I honestly think this things weighs about the same as some of my AR15's with digital on them.
Posted by: tractorman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/09/22 09:40 AM

204 I have not shot it in a couple years. As a matter of fact I have to find it. I never really messed with groups on it that much because the factory trigger was down right awful. I looked into triggers and was about to get one then moved on to another project. With the trigger and burly attributes I never spent much time with it. But I was thinking it was what I wanted when starting on a thermal setup. I had some 70 grain NBTs I ran through it a few times. That load worked great in a Rem bolt gun but never tweaked it for the r25. When I read this thread it got me to thinking about the old gun.
Posted by: tractorman

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/09/22 09:40 AM

Thanks for all your help guys.
Posted by: Dultimatpredator

Re: Have another G2, 243 on the way - 02/12/22 09:20 PM

I just bought a 2.5 pound CMC single stage trigger from palmetto for $119 shipped. You will like your gun again after itís installed.