where are the bolt action rifles??

Posted by: SlickerThanSnot

where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 03:22 PM

so, i have seen guys posting in the classifieds looking for a bolt action 223 or 22-250.

i never thought i would see the day when you could not find a bolt action 223 to buy if you wanted to buy one.

seems as that day is now here. i just searched the old internet pretty hard for one and there is none. that is [beeep] crazy.

hoping somebody smarter than me can explain this to me? please?
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 04:06 PM

I have two of each but they aren't for sale. Well I guess for the right price they could be. Like you, I looked the other day and seems there weren't many for sale NIB. Some of the other places like GunBroker had a few. Stupid prices on most of them.
Posted by: docjon2013

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 04:25 PM

I called my gun guy yesterday and gave him a list of 5 rifles I am wanting and there is none available through his suppliers, but he said GunAuction had some of them for over 1,000 more than MSRP. I just want to kick the @#$% out the people that do that crap and then I want to kick the people that buy it.
I don't know what's going on but I don't think its a coincidence. I've been through gun scares/grabs in the past and they go away pretty quickly after a bit. I find it hard to believe that all the major gun manufacturers are all out at the same time for this long. The demand isn't that great. It could be some group or government doing it. I might be really reaching here but I can't wrap my head around it with a logical explanation. I mean our government has payed farmers not to farm their land. I know its probably not true but nothing would surprise me nowadays. Just look at the millions that have been made with the Covid stuff.

Thanks
Jon
Posted by: tnshootist

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 04:33 PM

I don't know if it has anything to do with it or not but I have never seen before what is going on around here.
Even plants that have always been considered good places to work have help wanted signs at the entrance drive with 2000 and 3000 sign on bonus.
In times not long ago you had to know someone to get an interview.
Don't even think about hiring someone for farm work or any labor for that matter.
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 05:30 PM

Labor "participation" rate is continuing to fall(bad for economy), because of vaccine mandates, unemployment bonus. And the 10 Billion that was fraudulently stolen from the COVID recovery funding.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 05:46 PM

Not finding what we want for our hobbies is bad enough, but things are going to get worse. Wait until the mandates force so many health care workers out that you can't even get a dr appointment when you need it.
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 05:50 PM

Yes, the healthcare workers,hospital bed availability numbers dropping is intentional by democrats. Started in the 80's with the Kennedy HOM/insurance scam.
Posted by: tnshootist

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 06:15 PM

Grocery store shelves are not bare but they don't have many choices like the past. Some things they are just out of.
Beef is really high. Inflation suddenly the worst in forty years.

If I didn't know it was just a conspiracy theory I would think this is all to shove the middle class that was just emerging from poverty back into poverty and dependance.
Posted by: AdamT

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 06:42 PM

I called a couple of different local gun shops a few weeks ago wanting to order another varmint rifle. None of them could get one or even give me an estimated time of availability. The used market is booming. Iíve seen some rifles selling used for double or more the msrp new. Iíve seen some rifles in the exact model I own, selling for 3x the price I gave for one less than 5 years ago. Itís not just firearms either, scopes, reloading components, ammo, all are hard to find or priced much higher than they were not long ago. Crazy times for sure.

As for the government, theories and suspicions are what they are. Fact will always be though that big government is not your friend or good for anyone/anything except government officials making the rules with $$$$$ to gain on kick backs and donations/campaign contributions.
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 06:45 PM

Remington closed up shop,remember. That's more sales for other company's.

Don't know if they are up and running again or not.

Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 06:50 PM

Very few new factory bolt guns made, I would want to own these days. It's sickening to me to see the crap that is sent out the factory doors .
Posted by: WTJones

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 07:05 PM

I have a standing order with my little LGS for a bolt action 223. For 3 months now. I will go without before I pay these prices. Has to stop somewhere, sometime and I guess my limit for stupid has been reached.
Posted by: LUCKYDOG

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Very few new factory bolt guns made, I would want to own these days. It's sickening to me to see the crap that is sent out the factory doors .


I don't know about that. I have 3 factory rifles that are shooting almost quarter sized groups with factory ammo at 200 yards. Maybe it's the ammo but whatever it is, I'm pretty pleased with it.

There was a lot of ammo on the shelves this weekend at Cabelas, Sportsmans Warehouse and Murdochs. More than I've seen in a long time. Some of it was priced okay and some was through the roof.
Posted by: BrianID

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 11:10 PM

It will likely get worse this fall until the election is over. People always panic buy before the election. The only positive thing Iíve seen is a lot more ammunition on the shelves the last couple months. Almost all the ammunition is still significantly overpriced. Occasionally Iíve found ammunition for ok prices the last couple of months. Trying to find powder and primers at reasonable prices has been nonexistent for almost 2 years now. I didnít expect it to last this long.
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/23/22 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Very few new factory bolt guns made, I would want to own these days. It's sickening to me to see the crap that is sent out the factory doors .


I don't know about that. I have 3 factory rifles that are shooting almost quarter sized groups with factory ammo at 200 yards. Maybe it's the ammo but whatever it is, I'm pretty pleased with it.

Never said anything about how they shoot. I'm talking fit and finish in general.

I almost like tooling marks and actions that feel like they have been hand lapped with crushed concrete...almost. wink



Posted by: WTJones

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 06:24 AM

At this point tooling marks are looking pretty good😤
Posted by: WTJones

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 06:30 AM

I do have a question that has probably been answered elsewhere but...are the chamber and throat on the RAR predator still running short? If so, that takes one of the cheaper ones off the table. No fun to reload for something you can't move the bullet out until you find the sweet spot. Off to work...
Posted by: K22

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 07:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Originally Posted By: LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Very few new factory bolt guns made, I would want to own these days. It's sickening to me to see the crap that is sent out the factory doors .


I don't know about that. I have 3 factory rifles that are shooting almost quarter sized groups with factory ammo at 200 yards. Maybe it's the ammo but whatever it is, I'm pretty pleased with it.

Never said anything about how they shoot. I'm talking fit and finish in general.

I almost like tooling marks and actions that feel like they have been hand lapped with crushed concrete...almost. wink





That is an excellent point and is true. It is like there is no pride or principle in their products anymore. But I've noticed that is pretty much the mindset these days. I guess age is catching up with me.
Posted by: jnorman

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 08:28 AM

Originally Posted By: 204 AR
Not finding what we want for our hobbies is bad enough, but things are going to get worse. Wait until the mandates force so many health care workers out that you can't even get a dr appointment when you need it.


^^^^^^This I've been farming 40 years,sourcing parts to keep equipment running is getting harder every month,certain oils are in short supply,Def is in short supply. Parts for tillage and planting equipment have been on order for weeks/months at times.

My wife has been a RN for 35+ years at the local hospital,one of her jobs is education for the pediatric floor,she says with out traveling nurses filling in,the place would be a complete train wreck...especially on the adult floor.

I put money down on a new 223 varmint bolt gun Feb 2021....It's the least of my worrys right now.
Posted by: SlickerThanSnot

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 09:11 AM

the usa is in the chitter. thanks democrats.
Posted by: deaddogwalkin

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 12:41 PM

Not trying to make excuses but think back to when the whole country was locked down but for essential workers. I don't think that gun manufactures work on the essential list. Then the government starts handing out all these payments and people had some extra money laying around. and instead of using it for rainy days they went out and bought lumber to do home remodel project, decks or what ever. then there are us hunters that went out and bought a new gun or suppressors, reloading supplies and ammo. Then some states started opening back up but some states still are in some sort of lock down. We all know which states they are and with some of the larger firearm manufactures in those states having to implement a covid mitigation plan has slowed production down. Then not being able to find enough workers to fill the spots that have been vacated by people that think they will die if they go to work cause they could catch covid. Plus the new models are being released and manufacture now. It doesn't surprise me that there are not any on the shelves. It is going to get nothing but worse as the year goes on. I have seen what the prices are doing on manufactured steel for grain bins and crop inputs the last 6-8 months. Bin prices are up close to 60% crop inputs are up 50% or more. And with the Febuary DOT licensing changes for truck driver taking affect. GOOD Luck getting your stuff moved around the nation the next 2-3 years or longer. Even with the 2022 and 2024 elections coming up it will take years if not decades to straighten the election of 2020 out and get this country back on its feet. But I hope it doesn't take that long. Sorry but if you didn't see the writing on the wall that is not the gun manufacturer fault. It is all of us conspiracy theorist fault.
Posted by: DannoBoone

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
the usa is in the chitter. thanks democrats.


A question has cropped up, "If you were out to destroy the U.S.A.,
would you do anything different?"
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 01:02 PM

You think between people off work with Covid and 8.4 million new gun owners just last year alone might have anything to do with it? Remington being shut down didn't help either. It looks like 223 ammo is getting easier to find these days and prices are coming back down. That might be a good reason 223 rifles are harder to find and they are cheaper to shoot than a large caliber rifle. The market is flooded with AR 15's. Last show I went to they were on every table and not moving. Not everyone wants an AR 15 and a crap load of people already have one or more. Not everything has to be blamed on politics. I think there are lots more reasons we are seeing a shortage. Granted, I don't know the answer but I think it will settle down before to long. How long is before to long? I don't know that either. I also think we have done a lot of this to ourselves. As long as people are asking stupid prices and WE keep paying it, then WE have no one to blame but ourselves. If a guy can buy a rifle for $300-$400 dollars and sell it for $800 or more, he's gonna keep on doing it. Stop paying stupid prices!!!
Posted by: SlickerThanSnot

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: DannoBoone
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
the usa is in the chitter. thanks democrats.


A question has cropped up, "If you were out to destroy the U.S.A.,
would you do anything different?"


nope. what is going on is working just fine.
Posted by: jnorman

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 01:24 PM

I'd guess when new rifles show up from the manufactures there going to be a lot higher priced then before do to increased prices for raw material,labor,transportation ect,ect,ect same with reloading supply's....it could very well be the new normal:(
Posted by: WTJones

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 01:34 PM

People like myself that don't have money for expensive rifles are likely going to be priced out of our hobbies. But I still refuse to pay prices that I know are a gouge. Better to save my money for the gouge likely to start soon at the grocery store. Man, you guys know how to bring down a lunch break.😊
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 03:32 PM

We don't have to be totally priced out of our hobbies. Just cut back a little, get rid of firearms we don't shoot a lot or hardly ever, and buy wisely if that's possible. I recently sold two rifle and a shotgun. Bought one rifle I wanted and had money for a new barrel. I had dies, brass, bullets and powder for it on the shelf. I look but don't buy a rifle that dies are expensive and brass is near impossible to get. I also don't want a cartridge that you have to go through a bunch of steps to make a cartridge. Ackleys are fine if the components are available. Just me and how I'm getting through tough times.
Posted by: WTJones

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/24/22 04:55 PM

That is great advice. I am trying to do just that. I guess I should just put all these old shotguns on gunbroker. But I hate to be one of "those guys".
Posted by: crapshoot

Re: where are the bolt action rifles?? - 01/28/22 08:12 PM

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/cz-527-17-hornet-mdt.7108931/