Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides

Posted by: Timgunner

Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 12:05 AM

Iím just getting into coyote hunting and I have two guns that Iím thinking of using. Both are 22 caliber. The first is a Remington 700 custom 223 1-8Ē twist with a 20Ē barrel. The second is a Remington 700 custom 22 creedmoor with a 20Ē 1-8Ē twist barrel. I have been shooting the 88gr eldm out of my 22 creedmoor and Iím worried it might blow out a big exit hole? Iíve been loading 50gr varmagedon bullets in the 223 for prairie dogs. I want the longest effective range possible but I also want to save as much hide as possible. Is there a good bullet that is proven to not ruin hides? Itís not exactly the best time to find ammo or components but I want to be able to keep a look out for what works best.
Posted by: Kino M

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 10:23 AM

53vmax is awesome, highest BC in its weight class and super fur friendly in the 223.

IMO its going to be hard to find a truly fur friendly bullet in the 22creed.
Posted by: Heymartay

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 11:24 AM

Iíd go with a52-53 grn hp. Years of shooting crows I saw that hp bullets would fold a crow. Btís and lead tipped bullets would turn them into pinwheels. Pieces everywhere.
Posted by: BrianID

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 02:45 PM

Having a bullet that performs well at 500 yards and not risk blowing big holes at 50 yards is something that I haven't been able to find. You will have to compromise on either close range or long range performance. If the 88gr eldm shoot well I would still use it on windy days or stands that I was likely to shoot more than 200 yards. I'll shoot my 223's at 500-600 yards for fun but know I'm not good enough to shoot the small (40-50gr) 223 bullets 500 yards at coyotes in 10 mph+ winds. I'm just not good enough to judge the wind drift. A coyote at 400 yards with a 10mph cross wind is in real trouble if have time to set up with a high ballistic coefficient bullet.

Most of the time I compromise long range performance and use a smaller bullet. I don't go out trying to take long shots at coyotes when I'm calling them. If I think I can get a 50 yard shot, I'll let them continue to come in. Occasionally I'll take long shots on coyotes at 300+ yards but most of the time I take my chance of being able to call them in closer instead of taking a long shot.
Posted by: Terry Lightle

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 08:56 PM

I am shooting the 53 grain V MAX in my 223 with pretty good results like said above
Posted by: B23

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 09:45 PM

Been shooting the 53gr Vmax in my 9tw Hart barreled 223AI since they first came out and couldn't be happier with how they shoot as well as perform on yotes.
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 10:42 PM

Twist rate also effects terminal results, fur damage with the same bullet out of 8t or 14t could be very different. Even same twist in 2 different rifles may not result in the same fur damage. I like max spin for varmints where mist and pieces are desired. For fur I want 1-3 inches of penetration for Fox, 2-5 for coyote. This may require bullets running at the slow end of their twist requirements. For me with 12 or 14t @ 22-250 tough to beat a Nosler 55 BT when you may take 300+ yard shots and want to save fur. I almost always take head shots on sleepers 225 yards and closer.
Posted by: Timgunner

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/26/21 11:03 PM

Thanks fellas, Iíll give the 53gr vmax a try and see what happens. Iím not a very good caller and the coyotes that Iíve called have hung up on me sometimes way further out than I expected. The closest Iíve had one come in was about 200yds with hand calls. Iím going to the electronic call and try using one of those decoys that flops around to see if that will get them in closer. Maybe Iíll just go with a friend and one of us can shoot the 223 up close and the other can shoot the 22 creed at dogs that hang up out there.
Posted by: WyoBull

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/27/21 11:42 AM

A bullet I have had great luck with on coyotes and saving fur is the Sierra 55 gr BTHP (#1390). I have been shooting it out of my 220 Swift for years. It is my "go to" bullet in that caliber.
Posted by: dennyd

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/30/21 12:07 PM

The Hornady 75gr bthp match is a dandy coyote bullet, it'll raise cain ifn you hit bone though.
You want it dead; holes punched the rib cage if you pick yer shots.
Posted by: OKRattler

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 11/30/21 12:43 PM

Hornady 52gr BTHP or Sierra Varminter 60 grain hollowpoint are the most fur friendly yet lethal bullets I've had experience with out of the .223.

Nosler 55gr. E-Tip is a pretty good bullet too but I've experienced more runners with those. But can't remember ever losing any because they didn't run far.
Posted by: GMAN_R

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/08/22 03:29 PM

V-Max all day. Rarely get an exit wound and typically lights out now, if you put it in the boiler room.
Posted by: LARUEminati

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/09/22 08:44 PM

I've never had anything but one hole with the 60G nosler ballistic tip varmint at 2,900 FPS. Knocks em dead too.
Posted by: Austin Laughlin

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/11/22 07:38 PM

53gr Vmax for sure.

B23 - Iím right there with you! Iím shooting 53gr Vmax out of my 223AI and they are screaming, plenty of punch and Iíve not had any fur trouble with them. Iíve shot a few and hit the shoulder, and itís blew a hole.. Go figure lol

But Iíve had awesome luck with Noslers too. Iíve killed over a dozen at 450ish and DRT.
Posted by: 70sdiver

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/11/22 09:02 PM

Carry a shotgun also youíll thank me later.
Posted by: Rock Knocker

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/21/22 05:14 PM

My opinion Vmax are garbage, I've never ruined so much fur or seen so much splash damage and runner's, they wont handle bones.

65gr SGK have been amazing, no splash damage, quarter size exit no matter where you hit, fox or coyote. Vmax turned up to hit coyotes hard will destroy fox or bobcat. The sierras are much more accurate for me also and they hit like a brick instead of a soft vmax grape.

I lost I Flickr password or I would post some pics, I've got pic of a coyote I shot, it was quartered towards me at 30 yards and the vitals were behind the shoulder, the coyote ran 300 yards spraying blood all over itself from a a knicked artery from a 53vmax that landed on the coyote exactly where it should and the splash damage was horrible. I've got another pic of a red fox I made a bad shot on the move, I hit the fox in the spine first and as it was spinning I hit it in the rear leg then the head, three bad 65gr SGK on a small fox and no hits could be seen except the exit of the rear leg.

If I wanted to survive getting shot with a 223, vmax would be my bullet of choice. Soft weak varmint bullets can perform neat tricks with perfect shots but overall they're soft and weak, they're a handicap that normal hunting conditions..... like bones, will be defeated. And if you're shooting 30 yards or 500 they are going to have completely different terminal performance.
Posted by: Stugotz

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/21/22 06:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Rock Knocker
My opinion Vmax are garbage, I've never ruined so much fur or seen so much splash damage and runner's, they wont handle bones.

If I wanted to survive getting shot with a 223, vmax would be my bullet of choice. Soft weak varmint bullets can perform neat tricks with perfect shots but overall they're soft and weak, they're a handicap that normal hunting conditions..... like bones, will be defeated. And if you're shooting 30 yards or 500 they are going to have completely different terminal performance.


A 53 gr V-Max is my bullet of choice, but then again, I only use them to shoot prairie dogs out west. That bullet would not be my 1st choice when hunting Coyotes though. I did have 1 opportunity to take a coyote with one of my .223's shooting that bullet. We were out P. Dog hunting and stopped shooting for lunch. About 20 minutes goes by and my friend starts pointing a mentioning a coyote he see's out in the field chowing down on a few dead dogs. I jumped on my rifle and anchored him with a shot to the skull-diddley!

Select a bullet/caliber combination depending on what your hunting. When I go out hunting coyotes here in Minnesota I grab my 6.5 Grendel with a 120 gr Nosler Spitzer BT or a Sierra's. If I'm shooting one of my .223 it will be a slightly heavier bullet.
Posted by: Austin Laughlin

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/22/22 09:07 PM

Iíve shot Nosler, Berger, Barnes, Hornady, and Sierra at coyotes out of my 223AI and my swift both. Iím a nosler fan by choice. But if youíre not reloading, a 53gr and 55gr Vmax have done well for me. Iíve never heard anyone call them garbage.

I can promise you, just about any BT or HP bullet will eventually tear a hole. You canít always get the perfect shot, thatís obvious. But Iíve hunted coyotes with the best of them, and Iíve seen plenty of bullets blow holes in fur. It just happens.
Posted by: 6724

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/23/22 09:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Rock Knocker
My opinion Vmax are garbage, I've never ruined so much fur or seen so much splash damage and runner's, they wont handle bones.

65gr SGK have been amazing, no splash damage, quarter size exit no matter where you hit, fox or coyote. Vmax turned up to hit coyotes hard will destroy fox or bobcat. The sierras are much more accurate for me also and they hit like a brick instead of a soft vmax grape.

I lost I Flickr password or I would post some pics, I've got pic of a coyote I shot, it was quartered towards me at 30 yards and the vitals were behind the shoulder, the coyote ran 300 yards spraying blood all over itself from a a knicked artery from a 53vmax that landed on the coyote exactly where it should and the splash damage was horrible. I've got another pic of a red fox I made a bad shot on the move, I hit the fox in the spine first and as it was spinning I hit it in the rear leg then the head, three bad 65gr SGK on a small fox and no hits could be seen except the exit of the rear leg.

If I wanted to survive getting shot with a 223, vmax would be my bullet of choice. Soft weak varmint bullets can perform neat tricks with perfect shots but overall they're soft and weak, they're a handicap that normal hunting conditions..... like bones, will be defeated. And if you're shooting 30 yards or 500 they are going to have completely different terminal performance.


My experience in a couple of hundred coyotes could not be more opposite.

Over the last 23 years of coyote hunting I have tried numerous bullets. Mostly in 223 but also in 22-250. I have never seen the "splash", ever! I have made some poor shots that opened up coyotes like a zipper, but that has less to do with the bullet than the shot.
I have killed coyotes with 55gr vmax at 30 yards, where I got an exit wound, to 612 yards. I have killed dozens between 350 and 500 yards, but most of my kills are in the 150 yard range. I have lost an occasional coyote, but its pretty rare. I have used no other bullet in the 22-250 or 223 going back to about 2005, and I have zero reason to try something else at this point.
I sell fur, fur buyers complained about the 22 cal entrance wound, so I switched to a 17-223. No more complainnts from the fur buyer.

The fact is, most people talk about saving fur, but maybe save and skin one every now and then. When you start selling a dozen of the best hides every year for real money, you find out real fast what works and what doesn't.
Posted by: AWS

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/23/22 10:58 AM

A bullet I've found to work well in everything, my 222 Rem, 223, 5.6x50R Magnum and 22-250's ia an old timer that was the goto bullet for fur hunters a while back.

Speer 52gr Varmint FB HP #1035 accurate and rarely exits.

222 Rem


223


5.6x50R Magnum


22-250
Posted by: alf

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/23/22 08:00 PM


My most epic bullet splash......

210 yards, quartering to me, 22-250 Ackley, 75 Amax at 3500.

At the shot, the coyote took off like a raped ape.....WTH?

He made it about 100 yards where he crawled under a downed tree, still breathing his last 30 minutes later.


Posted by: Rock Knocker

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/26/22 03:14 PM

Hunting bullets cant bounce off bones. Theres many better options than soft and weak bullets, I shot vmax and 52 berger HPs for years and gave the same hand loads for my two buddies to shoot in our matching ARs.

I didnt get my head out of the varmint bullet hole until I accidentally only had 65gr SGKs and I never looked back. Varmint bullets are a handicap to any rifle.
Posted by: DiRTY DOG

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/26/22 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: alf

My most epic bullet splash......

210 yards, quartering to me, 22-250 Ackley, 75 Amax at 3500.

At the shot, the coyote took off like a raped ape.....WTH?

He made it about 100 yards where he crawled under a downed tree, still breathing his last 30 minutes later.



Appears to be a bad shot, to me. Barely raking the flesh at a steep angle. If that's what happened, the result would have been the same with just about any bullet or any cartridge. That's what it looks like anyways.
Posted by: alf

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/26/22 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOG

Appears to be a bad shot, to me. Barely raking the flesh at a steep angle. If that's what happened, the result would have been the same with just about any bullet or any cartridge. That's what it looks like anyways.

It was not a bad shot.

I hit him just where I was aiming, the angle was not that severe to aim ahead of the shoulder.
Posted by: Austin Laughlin

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/26/22 09:08 PM

I still beg to differ on ďhandicap to any rifleĒ.

My Nosler BTs, I can shoot a coyote with my AI and my Swift both.. No exit, tiny entry.

I can turn around and shoot a deer with the same bullet, No exit. Insides turned to soup on both.

My 220 Swift, I shoot factory Federals with the 40gr Nosler BT.. Iíve shot both those animals, multiple times, on the same day, and never had a problem. So I guess I donít see it.

I donít care if you shoot a 17rem, or a 223, or 300 win mag.. sooner or later you ARE going to blow a hole in something. It just happens. That doesnít mean theyíre ďgarbageĒ
Posted by: Randy Budde

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/26/22 09:37 PM

I have taken 467 coyote in the last 4 years and the bullet that I have found to work best in 22 cal. has been the 55 gr. Sierra Gameking, I have tried the 55 Nosler BT and V max and they do not kill as good or as fur friendly as the Gameking.
Posted by: 6724

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/27/22 09:24 AM

Two more coyotes in the last 12 hours, 55gr vmax. No splash, no exit. Both shots about 225 yards.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/27/22 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Randy Budde
I have taken 467 coyote in the last 4 years and the bullet that I have found to work best in 22 cal. has been the 55 gr. Sierra Gameking, I have tried the 55 Nosler BT and V max and they do not kill as good or as fur friendly as the Gameking.



Not meaning this in any negative way, but how do you keep track that exactly? I can barely remember a number for this year, and couldn't tell you how many last year.

Dang impressive btw!
Posted by: OKRattler

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/27/22 01:51 PM

I've gotten to where I'd rather shoot 55 grain softpoints over just about anything for coyotes. I've had problems killing coyotes in the past that were running straight away. Softpoints will penetrate into vitals better at that angle. One of the last coyotes I shot was quartered to me and I hit him behind the shoulder. The bullet exited its belly and hit its right rear leg.

They exit a lot of the time and you'll occasionally hit one in the shoulder and blow a huge chunk out of it (splash) but I don't lose one but every so often due to that. Hitting them high in the shoulder can cause that to happen. I shot over 50 coyotes in 2021 with my .223 using a 55 grain softpoint and lost 0 and only had to shoot a few more than once. Shot a few with the same bullet in my 22-250 and again lost none. I'd rather stitch up a pelt than lose one.
Posted by: Austin Laughlin

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/27/22 04:01 PM

Exactly! Congrats on the kills! My 50-55gr havenít let me down yet. Noslers or Hornadys. DRT. If I have one run off, or blow a hole, itís my fault. Things just happen. But Iíve never lost a single coyote shooting those, not one.
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:14 AM

For a .223 fur bullet that you can bore holes in and out with little damage, Barnes 62 gr TSX.
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Randy Budde
I have taken 467 coyote in the last 4 years and the bullet that I have found to work best in 22 cal. has been the 55 gr. Sierra Gameking, I have tried the 55 Nosler BT and V max and they do not kill as good or as fur friendly as the Gameking.


That's a pile of coyotes !
Not all from Michigan ,I'm sure .

You keep a journal ?

My Uncle keeps a list of kills from year to year. What it was, where it was ,what day it was , who shot it.
Posted by: Three 44s

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 02:04 AM

55 gr SX in .223 and the 55 Gr Ballistic tip in .22-250

The 55 gr Game King in the 22-250 was the safest on blow ups but slightly on the mild side for my taste.

Three 44s
Posted by: 6724

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 09:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
For a .223 fur bullet that you can bore holes in and out with little damage, Barnes 62 gr TSX.


Except that results in two holes. My furbuyer complained about 22 caliber entrance holes. Any exit is going to be that big or bigger.
Posted by: AWS

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 10:14 AM

I guess that is one of the downfalls of not putting up your fur. Or selling to a fur buyer that packs a micrometer.
Posted by: SlickerThanSnot

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 11:06 AM

Originally Posted By: AWS
I guess that is one of the downfalls of not putting up your fur. Or selling to a fur buyer that packs a micrometer.


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Posted by: Randy Budde

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 12:42 PM

"Not meaning this in any negative way, but how do you keep track that exactly? I can barely remember a number for this year, and couldn't tell you how many last year." [quote][/quote].
Every time I get a coyote I put it on the calendar with where I got it, I keep all the calendars together so I can compare from year to year. Also I put pictures and video's on my Facebook page so I can prove my Kills.
Posted by: Randy Budde

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 12:53 PM

Quote:
[/quote]"That's a pile of coyotes !
Not all from Michigan ,I'm sure .

You keep a journal ?"

My Uncle keeps a list of kills from year to year. What it was, where it was ,what day it was , who shot it.
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Thanks Tim, Yes all from Michigan, I write each one on a calendar on the day and who's property I got them on and keep the calendars from year to year so I can see where I got them from year to year. Also if any one wants to watch my Video's of the kills you can go to my Facebook page and watch the video's.
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By: 6724
Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
For a .223 fur bullet that you can bore holes in and out with little damage, Barnes 62 gr TSX.


Except that results in two holes. My furbuyer complained about 22 caliber entrance holes. Any exit is going to be that big or bigger.


Only coyotes I skin here anymore are for sending off to tan and make wall hangers. Other than that,not worth skinning.

Your fur buyer would hate my shotgun coyotes then..haha

Like many other tasks per region, "saving hides " Could mean many things.



Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:04 PM

Randy,


That's some serious killing for Michigan ! thumbup1 Night hunting ?

Posted by: Randy Budde

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Randy,


That's some serious killing for Michigan ! thumbup1 Night hunting ?

Most of them Night Hunting, I got a few in the daytime but seldom go during day. I got 153 coyotes and 4 fox in 2021 and only two of them were in the daytime. But all 467 in the last 4 years were by me, I don't count the ones I call in and someone else kills, But I almost always hunt alone.
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Randy Budde
Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Randy,


That's some serious killing for Michigan ! thumbup1 Night hunting ?

Most of them Night Hunting, I got a few in the daytime but seldom go during day. I got 153 coyotes and 4 fox in 2021 and only two of them were in the daytime. But all 467 in the last 4 years were by me, I don't count the ones I call in and someone else kills, But I almost always hunt alone.


Nice !

I've not really done much night hunting in Michigan. Getting out at daylight and checking tracks in the winter, I can see where it would be fun !
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:47 PM

On a more serious note...

My 17-204 with a 30gr Berger works very well for frontal and broadside shots. Running straight away,not nearly as good,but they don't get away. whistle
Posted by: Coyotejunki

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
On a more serious note...

My 17-204 with a 30gr Berger works very well for frontal and broadside shots. Running straight away,not nearly as good,but they don't get away. whistle


I love my 17-204. I shoot 30gr Golds and 30gr Nagels in mine
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: Best 22 cal bullet for saving hides - 01/28/22 02:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Coyotejunki
Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
On a more serious note...

My 17-204 with a 30gr Berger works very well for frontal and broadside shots. Running straight away,not nearly as good,but they don't get away. whistle


I love my 17-204. I shoot 30gr Golds and 30gr Nagels in mine


Got Golds for back up ,if I ever use up my Bergers.