what gun cleaner? Rifle.

Posted by: ohihunter2014

what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 02:17 PM

Ive been looking at shooters choice, butches bore shine and a few others. Accuracy is starting to a get a little squirrely with my 223rem HB I mainly shoot v max and varmegeddon from at high velocity and my buddy thinks I have some copper build up. I don't care for sweets for the harmfulness of it to the barrel. This rifle hasn't seen anything but Hopps #9 patches here and there for about 500-700 rounds. Right now I just run a brush of hopps in the barrel and several dry patches and then a wet one and dry and done.

Any advice?
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 03:02 PM

Sounds to me like your just hitting the high spots with your cleaning. I have/do use several different kinds of cleaners looking for the magic one but still haven't found it yet. Sweets won't harm your barrel IF you follow the directions correctly. I use Butch's, also use Truly Remarkable which I like, but recently got a bottle of Wipe Out. Its works good too. I find that all of them take some work with patchs and a brush to get the bore clean. JB bore paste is good for stubborn barrels but I don't use it very often. You will probably get dozens of answers to this question I'm sure.
Posted by: tripod3

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 03:54 PM

I've been using Hoppes copper remover solvent, just let it soak a couple times for a few minutes. It gets at least cleaner than new in the box.
I have a habit of cleaning often or if I miss a coyote it gets cleaned, even if it has been only 20 shots this is a good excuse.
The Remington 40X cleaner did a pretty good job recently on my .223.
No doubt some wipe out would get a little more but accuracy has not been poor on paper, so it's a go without and cheaper.
Posted by: mbaysinger89

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 04:15 PM

Montana cleaning stuff is all very good stuff. I use only Montana brushes, and bore solvent. I'll use copper cleaner once a year or so. Or probably every 3-500 rounds
Posted by: chz

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 04:39 PM

I’ve tried hoppes, hoppes elite, butch’s bore shine, and a few others. Bore Tech Eliminator is all I use now.
Posted by: Hunt

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 05:00 PM

Wipeout and Bore Tech Eliminator are my choice for removing copper fouling.
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 05:56 PM

Whatever is used, after 5-700 rounds I think a brush will be needed. I can't imagine patchs alone will remove the copper fouling after that many rounds.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: chz
I’ve tried hoppes, hoppes elite, butch’s bore shine, and a few others. Bore Tech Eliminator is all I use now.


are you guys using boretech copper stuff or the normal bortech stuff? I seen both types on midway.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Whatever is used, after 5-700 rounds I think a brush will be needed. I can't imagine patchs alone will remove the copper fouling after that many rounds.


Normal hopps brush dipped or coated and run it thru?
Posted by: hm1996

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 06:22 PM

My bore cleaning regimen has evolved over the years and the search of the best product(s) continues. Recently purchased a bore scope which really sheds some light on the subject.

Prior to obtaining the bore scope, the most recent products used were Hope's Bench Rest, which is a good product that can be left in bore overnight and cuts both carbon and copper well, albeit a bit slowly. It will remove copper (as indicated by patch color), given a few overnight sessions.
Heavily copper fouled barrels benefited from a good scrubbing using JB Paste and/or Gold Medallion (discontinued, but Remington produces under their brand now....may be the 40X that Tripod uses? Both are abrasive.

Have also used Wipeout & Gunslick foam, both of which remove copper very well, but carbon, not so much. Best results with the foam seems to be to patch/brush bore first w/Hoppes 9 or Benchrest to cut the carbon, then follow w/wipeout.

Currently experimenting with all of the Sharpshooter products and evaluating results w/bore scope; jury is still out but so far impressed with the Carb-Out first followed by Wipeout. Have not yet tried their Tactical Advantage but will work that in one of these days.product FAQ's Here Only complaint I have so far was the WSA-007 ADAPTER leaked badly at can and was a waste of product.

Worked in VFG pellets, discussed in recent post describing Orkan's Cleaning Method They worked as well as JB Paste and a lot less fuss, thanks Orkan. Pretty good discussion there. I have yet to get up the nerve to try the CLR. Maybe Orkan will weigh in on this thread and bring us up to date. smile

Lots of ways to get the job done, some a lot better than others.

Regards,
hm
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 06:32 PM

I use Boretech also, the eliminator and the c4 carbon eliminator. They both work great, and don't stink and are safe for the bore. Patches and brushes. My main issue is the carbon, shooting ar's suppressed leaves a mess and 8208 seems to like to leave hard carbon in the throat and first few inches.

But after reading Orkan's article HM referenced above I tried clr for the first time yesterday. It is serious at carbon removal for sure. I don't know what effect, if any, leaving it for very long would do to steel so keep that in mind. I made sure to clean it all out and leave a film of oil. I haven't gotten ahold of any vfg pellets yet but I plan to.

I'm also experimenting with Bore Coat, a nano ceramic coating that's supposed to help make clean up easier and faster. I just shot the curing shots this afternoon in a barrel I coated yesterday. Those 8 shots left a lot of copper in a barrel that usually has next to none, so I hope that isn't indicative of things to come. I will post up what I find with later cleanings.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: hm1996
My bore cleaning regimen has evolved over the years and the search of the best product(s) continues. Recently purchased a bore scope which really sheds some light on the subject.

Prior to obtaining the bore scope, the most recent products used were Hope's Bench Rest, which is a good product that can be left in bore overnight and cuts both carbon and copper well, albeit a bit slowly. It will remove copper (as indicated by patch color), given a few overnight sessions.
Heavily copper fouled barrels benefited from a good scrubbing using JB Paste and/or Gold Medallion (discontinued, but Remington produces under their brand now....may be the 40X that Tripod uses? Both are abrasive.

Have also used Wipeout & Gunslick foam, both of which remove copper very well, but carbon, not so much. Best results with the foam seems to be to patch/brush bore first w/Hoppes 9 or Benchrest to cut the carbon, then follow w/wipeout.

Currently experimenting with all of the Sharpshooter products and evaluating results w/bore scope; jury is still out but so far impressed with the Carb-Out first followed by Wipeout. Have not yet tried their Tactical Advantage but will work that in one of these days.product FAQ's Here Only complaint I have so far was the WSA-007 ADAPTER leaked badly at can and was a waste of product.

Worked in VFG pellets, discussed in recent post describing Orkan's Cleaning Method They worked as well as JB Paste and a lot less fuss, thanks Orkan. Pretty good discussion there. I have yet to get up the nerve to try the CLR. Maybe Orkan will weigh in on this thread and bring us up to date. smile

Lots of ways to get the job done, some a lot better than others.

Regards,
hm


I used Hopps bench rest years ago but figured for the low price which was on par with normal #9 and not many reviews it might be a gimmick. I finished up an old 2-3yo jar during the summer and swabbed the bore and got distracted and came back and patch ends were blueish green color. I just dried out the barrel with more patches and left it at that. once it was gone I went back to normal Hopps #9. I am also having issues with getting low readings with a Hornady OAL tool and lands measurements and my buddy thinks I have carbon build up. Summer time it was 10-15k higher than last weeks reading.
Posted by: hm1996

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 07:38 PM

Quote:
I used Hopps bench rest years ago but figured for the low price which was on par with normal #9 and not many reviews it might be a gimmick.


Nope, BR does better job on copper than 9 (again, based on patch color, not bore scope). Still use Benchrest/Kroil mix while rifle still warm after shooting to soften things up a bit.

Regards,
hm
Posted by: pahntr760

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 08:41 PM

WipeOut, Nylon brushes, properly fitting jags and flannel patches, Possum Hollow bore guide and a Tipton carbon fiber rods.
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 09:26 PM

I bought a bottle of CLR tonite to give it a try. Kinda leery but figure I'll give it a go. ANy suggestions on how long to leave it in the bore?
Posted by: pahntr760

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: pyscodog
I bought a bottle of CLR tonite to give it a try. Kinda leery but figure I'll give it a go. ANy suggestions on how long to leave it in the bore?


It is a pretty good one. Don't let it cook too long as I have read it can etch the steel. But I can't verify that info...
Posted by: hm1996

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 10:17 PM

Originally Posted By: pahntr760
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
I bought a bottle of CLR tonite to give it a try. Kinda leery but figure I'll give it a go. ANy suggestions on how long to leave it in the bore?


It is a pretty good one. Don't let it cook too long as I have read it can etch the steel. But I can't verify that info...


Originally Posted By: orkan

The first chemical I use in the bore is CLR. Travis Stevens at TS Customs turned me on to this product a few months back as something to try for cleaning my suppressor baffles. CLR is a household chemical which is generally used to clean toilets, showers, sinks, and other items. It's namesake would suggest it is very good at removing calcium, lime, and rust buildup. I've not used it in that capacity, but I'll tell you what it is absolutely amazing at removing: Carbon fouling!!! I push about 5 or so patches wet with CLR through the bore and a massive amount of carbon fouling will be removed. Next I put a VFG aggressive pellet soaked with CLR on the ProShot adapter and scrub the throat. The VFG pellet allows for a back-and-forth motion that allows you to really scrub it good. This demolishes a stubborn carbon ring in record time. To date I've found nothing which takes the carbon fouling out of the throat faster or easier. It takes 30 seconds for rimfires and centerfires with light fouling and no more than 5 minutes for stubborn centerfires with rough throats. The VFG pellet can be "tightened" while in the bore simply by rotating the shaft on the cleaning rod to screw the pellet on a bit more. I used to loathe attacking a carbon ring, but the combination of the aggressive VFG pellet and the CLR makes short work of the job. Below are some before and after images of the throat in a 22lr and a centerfire. While I wasn't super careful about ensuring the scope was in the exact same spot for each picture, it will give you some idea. CLR and an aggressive VFG pellet can do in 60 seconds what would take 60 minutes with my old solvents and methods. ... and it does it without having to use pastes that get stuck everywhere and make a mess.

http://primalrights.com/library/articles/evolution-barrel-cleaning


Regards,
hm
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 10:50 PM

Thanks hm!!
Posted by: RePete

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/20/18 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Sounds to me like your just hitting the high spots with your cleaning. I have/do use several different kinds of cleaners looking for the magic one but still haven't found it yet. Sweets won't harm your barrel IF you follow the directions correctly. I use Butch's, also use Truly Remarkable which I like, but recently got a bottle of Wipe Out. Its works good too. I find that all of them take some work with patchs and a brush to get the bore clean. JB bore paste is good for stubborn barrels but I don't use it very often. You will probably get dozens of answers to this question I'm sure.


That about covers it.
I use SC because that's what I started with but I'll buy Butches if I can't get SC.
Sweets for copper fowling.
Wipe Out foam's handy in a motel room when shooting colony varmints.
Lots of good products out there these days.
He11....I still use good ol Hoppe's #9 in my rimfires and handguns. Course that'll probably stop when I run out of the old smell good stuff.
Posted by: George Foster

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 08:52 AM

I have had the habit of cleaning my centerfire rifles every 20 rds for 40yrs now. I have used a lot of different cleaning methods but for the past few years there are two cleaners I use all the time now. I use Bore Tech Eliminator for the main cleaner and then if I have any stubborn copper in the barrel I use Bore Tech Copper Remover. I have never used the Bore Tech Carbon remover as I feel the Eliminator removes the carbon buildup if there is any.
Posted by: MasterBlaster

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 09:06 AM

Bore Tech Eliminater here good stuff.
MB
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 11:45 AM

First CLR(especially after high volume shooting or when someone asks me to clean for them). Kroil and patch to remove CLR. Then the Accelerator/Wipe out followed by Kroil. For storage, final is Hornady one shot. I brush only if I encounter a stubborn copper or carbon spot. I have used the JB on 17 bores to restore accuracy.
Posted by: hm1996

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 03:55 PM

Quote:
He11....I still use good ol Hoppe's #9 in my rimfires and handguns. Course that'll probably stop when I run out of the old smell good stuff.


Every time my wife gets in my truck, she complains it smells like a wet dog. I don't even HAVE a dog! Well, have to admit it did smell a bit musty ever since I buried it in a heavy rainstorm and wound up with an inch of water on floorboards.

What does this have to do with bore cleaner, you say? I'll tell ya what...Hopes 9 to the rescue. My son gave me this air freshener as a joke.



I have to admit the old truck does smell a lot better now and I found another use for that bottle of #9 sitting on my workbench.....give the freshener a squirt every once in a while and its as good as new again. grin

Regards,
hm
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 05:58 PM

Well I invited a buddy to go to the store with me today in search of boretec and he says I have sweets and butches save your money. I figured ill give his stuff a try while waiting for stuff to be needed for a midway order. I think I found bortec locally but its 30min away and if I call he will just say yeah, I got it and probably wont like they always do.

He said take the sweets on a mop and coat the bore sit a few min and then patch it out until clean and run butches down to kind of kill the sweets and wait a few days and run sweets again and butches again and do this until patches stop showing blue. He does this with his old military stuff.
Posted by: pahntr760

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 09:23 PM

That seems amazingly labor intensive and unnecessary. I am not going to commit days to cleaning a rifle when there are products and techniques to do it efficiently.
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 10:17 PM

I tried the CLR this evening. Seems to work, best I could tell. I ran about 5 wet patchs of CLR through the bore followed up with two patchs of Kroil. Then a wet patch of Wipe Out Accelerator, then 3 patchs of Wipe Out. Let it set about 30 minutes then used a teflon brush about 12 strokes followed with a few dry patchs then more wipe Out and let it set another 30 minutes. Did this three times. I'm using Dewey rods and jags with cotton patchs. I still get some blue on my patchs. Not much but some. Am I still not clean or am I getting a false reading off my jags? A Q-tip in the muzzle end of my barrel shows no copper at all, just bare shiny metal. I don't have a bore scope to look down the bore.
Posted by: sandy hicks

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 10:17 PM

CD that may be what I need to cut the smell of crude.
Posted by: hm1996

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 10:41 PM

It'll help, Jerry. Only thing that smells better'n Hopes 9 is burnin' gunpowder. lol

Regards,
hm
Posted by: RePete

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/21/18 10:45 PM

Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014


He said take the sweets on a mop and coat the bore sit a few min and then patch it out until clean and run butches down to kind of kill the sweets and wait a few days and run sweets again and butches again and do this until patches stop showing blue. He does this with his old military stuff.


That makes no sense what so ever. Once you patch out and neutralize the Sweets with Butches it stops working. What good would waiting a few days before applying again do?
Sweets works just fine for Copper removal and doesn't take that much time....just follow the directions on the bottle.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 08:39 AM

Originally Posted By: RePete
Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014


He said take the sweets on a mop and coat the bore sit a few min and then patch it out until clean and run butches down to kind of kill the sweets and wait a few days and run sweets again and butches again and do this until patches stop showing blue. He does this with his old military stuff.


That makes no sense what so ever. Once you patch out and neutralize the Sweets with Butches it stops working. What good would waiting a few days before applying again do?
Sweets works just fine for Copper removal and doesn't take that much time....just follow the directions on the bottle.


He said what he has noticed on his military surplus rifles is the first round of sweets doesn't get every last bit of copper so by doing it several times your not leaving it in the bore longer to work longer but rather 5min one cleaning, 5 min the next cleaning until its all gone. He said on one of his rifles he purchased that wasn't taken care of like 3 times of doing this he was still getting blue patches. He suggested this due to me being afraid of it damaging the barrel. He also mentioned something about copper with a layer of carbon and then copper again but i really wasn't paying attention to that part.
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 11:48 AM

Just follow directions on the bottle and you'll be fine.
Posted by: TripleDeuce660

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 12:33 PM

I use wipe out. Between wipe out, like after firing a few shots hunting, I pull a patch of ballistol and let it sit for 5 minutes. Then I follow up with a dry patch or two. I certainly do not miss scrubbing with hoppes and copper remover.
Posted by: RePete

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014
Originally Posted By: RePete
Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014


He said take the sweets on a mop and coat the bore sit a few min and then patch it out until clean and run butches down to kind of kill the sweets and wait a few days and run sweets again and butches again and do this until patches stop showing blue. He does this with his old military stuff.


That makes no sense what so ever. Once you patch out and neutralize the Sweets with Butches it stops working. What good would waiting a few days before applying again do?
Sweets works just fine for Copper removal and doesn't take that much time....just follow the directions on the bottle.


He said what he has noticed on his military surplus rifles is the first round of sweets doesn't get every last bit of copper so by doing it several times your not leaving it in the bore longer to work longer but rather 5min one cleaning, 5 min the next cleaning until its all gone. He said on one of his rifles he purchased that wasn't taken care of like 3 times of doing this he was still getting blue patches. He suggested this due to me being afraid of it damaging the barrel. He also mentioned something about copper with a layer of carbon and then copper again but i really wasn't paying attention to that part.


At the risk of repeating myself...."that makes no sense what so ever".
Once you've removed the Sweets what the difference in waiting three minutes and three days to repeat the procedure?

Again..."just follow the directions on the bottle".
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: RePete
Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014
Originally Posted By: RePete
Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014


He said take the sweets on a mop and coat the bore sit a few min and then patch it out until clean and run butches down to kind of kill the sweets and wait a few days and run sweets again and butches again and do this until patches stop showing blue. He does this with his old military stuff.


That makes no sense what so ever. Once you patch out and neutralize the Sweets with Butches it stops working. What good would waiting a few days before applying again do?
Sweets works just fine for Copper removal and doesn't take that much time....just follow the directions on the bottle.


He said what he has noticed on his military surplus rifles is the first round of sweets doesn't get every last bit of copper so by doing it several times your not leaving it in the bore longer to work longer but rather 5min one cleaning, 5 min the next cleaning until its all gone. He said on one of his rifles he purchased that wasn't taken care of like 3 times of doing this he was still getting blue patches. He suggested this due to me being afraid of it damaging the barrel. He also mentioned something about copper with a layer of carbon and then copper again but i really wasn't paying attention to that part.


At the risk of repeating myself...."that makes no sense what so ever".
Once you've removed the Sweets what the difference in waiting three minutes and three days to repeat the procedure?

Again..."just follow the directions on the bottle".


Not being argumentative but i'm guessing so its not a long term, one time exposure to the barrel but rather several smaller exposures. I'm guessing this way it doesn't have to time start eating metal.
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 02:11 PM

Pyscodog, I only see copper residue after 4-5 patches on "strange guns". If my cleaning procedure doesn't get the bore clean,I hit it once with JB and follow with 50/50 kroil and Hoppes benchrest. I use Pro shot jags and do not see jag leaching on patches. The JB is applied to a tight patch with Kroil and 10-12 strokes between chamber and muzzle.
Posted by: RePete

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014
Originally Posted By: RePete
Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014
Originally Posted By: RePete
Originally Posted By: ohihunter2014


He said take the sweets on a mop and coat the bore sit a few min and then patch it out until clean and run butches down to kind of kill the sweets and wait a few days and run sweets again and butches again and do this until patches stop showing blue. He does this with his old military stuff.


That makes no sense what so ever. Once you patch out and neutralize the Sweets with Butches it stops working. What good would waiting a few days before applying again do?
Sweets works just fine for Copper removal and doesn't take that much time....just follow the directions on the bottle.


He said what he has noticed on his military surplus rifles is the first round of sweets doesn't get every last bit of copper so by doing it several times your not leaving it in the bore longer to work longer but rather 5min one cleaning, 5 min the next cleaning until its all gone. He said on one of his rifles he purchased that wasn't taken care of like 3 times of doing this he was still getting blue patches. He suggested this due to me being afraid of it damaging the barrel. He also mentioned something about copper with a layer of carbon and then copper again but i really wasn't paying attention to that part.


At the risk of repeating myself...."that makes no sense what so ever".
Once you've removed the Sweets what the difference in waiting three minutes and three days to repeat the procedure?

Again..."just follow the directions on the bottle".


Not being argumentative but i'm guessing so its not a long term, one time exposure to the barrel but rather several smaller exposures. I'm guessing this way it doesn't have to time start eating metal.


Or.....he could simply "follow the directions on the bottle".

You're making absolutely zero sense at this point.....I'm out.
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/22/18 02:16 PM

Sounds to me like he has to much time on his hands and doesn't want to finish a job that he started. While I wouldn't leave Sweets in a barrel over night, I think Sweets isn't quite as bad as people lead you to believe. If the directions are followed, on the bottle, I doubt you are going to harm your barrel. I'm with Repete, 3 minutes or three days doesn't make any sense to me.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/25/18 10:44 AM

For you boretech eliminator fans, do i need to buy the boretech special cleaning jag or will my normal one suffice? I think i'm going to pass on the sweets and get the boretech because i need a normal solvent anyways and if it cleans carbon and copper like it says it does its a win-win.
Posted by: George Foster

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/25/18 11:31 AM

As long as you don't use a brass plated jag you will be fine. The brass plated (or colored) jags are what give a false reading of copper.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/25/18 11:43 AM

Originally Posted By: George Foster
As long as you don't use a brass plated jag you will be fine. The brass plated (or colored) jags are what give a false reading of copper.


Mine is all brass unfortunately. I couldn't believe they wanted $7 for their jag.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/25/18 12:01 PM

you eliminator fans do you use just the normal eliminator for carbon/copper or their specialty stuff for each one? I ran out of solvent so getting ready to pick some up but only want to make one trip. My guns got about 400-500 223rem v max rounds through it so im sure its pretty nasty cause its only ever seen hopps #9.

Also, i found 4oz and 16oz bottles. does this stuff need a lot to clean or just a little bit?
Posted by: tnshootist

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/25/18 12:56 PM

I use both but if I was only going to use one it would be Eliminator.
It goes pretty far.
I buy it in 16 oz but I shoot quite a bit and clean fairly often.
Posted by: hm1996

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/25/18 03:08 PM

My .338 WM has the typical Savage "rough but superbly accurate" barrel. Superbly accurate but fouls heavily.

Recently got a Lyman bore scope and Sharp ShootR CARB OUT, PATCH OUT’,& ‘TACTICAL ADVANTAGE to try. Have been using WIPE OUT foam for some time and will compare WIPE OUT to Patch Out later, but for now concentrating on CARB OUT & TACTICAL ADVANTAGE.

The jury is in. There may be better products out there, but after firing twenty some rounds through the 338 there was ample carbon/copper to work with. Per instructions on bottle, ran wet patch of Carb Out through bore and let it sit 5 minutes. Repeated a couple of times and inspected w/scope....no carbon visible.

Switched to Tactical Advantage: Ran wet patch through bore and it picked up a little remaining carbon; let sit a few minutes, dry patched and repeated a couple of times. Still getting blue on patches but only copper left was where it had been very heavy due to imperfections in bore. TA cuts both carbon and copper.

Let rifle sit overnight w/WIPEOUT FOAM and got rid of most of the heavy copper. Ran wet TA patch through bore and picked up some traces of blue.

This if the first time I've ever gotten rid of all copper short of using an abrasive such as JB or Gold Medallion and the easiest it has ever cleaned up, even after only one to 3 rounds through it when cleaned. According to manufacturer, CARB OUT should be left up to 5 minutes, their other solvents are OK overnight. I'm sold.

Regards,
hm








Posted by: 450 Dakota

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/26/18 12:31 AM

BoreTech Eliminator for general cleaning. Use their copper and carbon remover on tough ones. Use the carbon remover on my muzzle loader breach plug as well.
Posted by: Firehand

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/28/18 11:01 AM

My question is after all this cleaning how long does it take for the accuracy to settle back in. After I cleaned my 6x68 it took me 10 shots for the accuracy to settle in. I'm not sure I want to clean it that well again.
Posted by: DLM

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/28/18 10:28 PM

My personal belief on this subject is, you don't know if it is clean unless you can see it. I shoot competetive benchrest. I know, I know, things are different. But nobody, and I mean NOBODY cleans more than benchrest guys. Patch color does not tell you anything except when the chemical stops working. IMO when you get white patches it just means you've wiped all the chemical out. I have never got a factory barrel to the point where I thought it was clean by looking at patches. I have never got a white patch out of a factory barrel. You can't feel a clean barrel. You can feel a smooth barrel, but it can still be dirty. It is layers of carbon, on a layer of copper, on a layer of carbon, etc. You have to look in there. Get a GOOD bore scope and SEE what you're looking at. Most factory barrels are rough and will foul like crazy. A lot of custom barrels are rough and will foul too. I have had barrels from some of the best barrel makers feel rough but shoot teen aggs. (if you don't know what that is look it up.) I have had factory barrels that felt like the perverbial babys bottom shoot like crap! My point is, colors and feel means nothing! Look in there.

Edit; My experience is with CM factory barrels.I dont have any SS factory barrels. All my competetion barrels are SS Kreiger, Bartlein, Shilen, etc. If you are afraid of bad chemical reactions put a small spot on the outside of the barrel and see what happens.
Posted by: hawkeye reloader

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 01/29/18 12:33 AM

I like Butch’s. These days I always have a bottle of Butch’s, a can of Quickscub, a can of Hornady gun cleaner and a Weapon Shield oiler pen on hand.
Posted by: ohihunter2014

Re: what gun cleaner? Rifle. - 02/01/18 07:32 PM

tried eliminator tonight and got 5-6 patches with blue and tried several time with nylon brushing and got a little more blue and then clean from then on out. No smell, no oily mess I think I'm sold. One thing that got me was I cut a hole in an old powder bottle and rinsed it out for a patch trap. Well I mopped the bore and then ran some patches through it that were wet well when I checked the patches in the trap that were soaked they were a very dark blue and 100% covered. I'm wondering if the powder residue was making them blue?