22-250 vs 243

Posted by: EDP

22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 07:26 PM

I'm sure this has already been discussed
Getting ready to get another calling rifle for coyotes and am been debating on these two rounds
I shoot a 22-250 now and have for some time
What is the good and bad from either
Posted by: Coyotejunki

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 07:36 PM

243 is bigger, louder, and will kill them dead'r than dead. Kind of a dead x 3! smile
Posted by: bigtommy

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 07:36 PM

I like the 243 better it more of a versatile round.
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 07:41 PM

Aren't they making some smaller bullets for the 243 now?
How is the coefficient of one bullet vs the other
Posted by: 2Bigmac

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 08:29 PM

I think either caliber is a good choice for varmint hunting. A 243 could be used for deer sized game also. It always boils down to what you are confident with and shot placement is the most important part!
Posted by: pyscodog

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 08:29 PM

I have both and like them alot...so my vote is yes!! thumbup
Posted by: 2muchgun

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 08:45 PM

243 is one of my all time favorite cartridges. If you don't own one, you should.........
Posted by: dhc-6

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 08:48 PM

I like the .243 for deer hunting.
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 09:14 PM

Will be pretty much for coyotes
I use a 270 for deer
Posted by: mikeyg

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: 2muchgun
243 is one of my all time favorite cartridges. If you don't own one, you should.........

+1
Posted by: whitey21

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 09:49 PM

55 grain vmax is around .255 on bc for 22-250

243 58 grain is .250
75 grain is .330

If you have a 22-250 already why are you needing another gun? Just cause you want one or is it just not suited for coyotes (to heavy, don't want to carry it for whatever reason)?

If I had a 22-250 already that I could carry I would get a 243. Just to switch it up. If it was one I didn't want to carry, like my gun is to heavy, I would get another 22-250 because I could use same ammo and/or reloading dies, bullets, powder. Given that both guns like similar stuff.
Posted by: Varminterror

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/24/13 10:22 PM

For equal weight bullets, there won't be a lot of difference in BC. In theory, the smaller the bore, the better the BC for a given bullet weight, but it's also a matter of sectional density, and they end up pretty similar.

If you buy a .22-250, you'll see coyotes outside your range on a windy day where you wish you had a 75grn+ pill to reach out and tag them. If you buy a .243win, you'll roll coyotes at 30yrds and kick yourself for how much damage it caused.

Not that the .22-250 is particularly kind to hides either, but moreso than the .243 of course.

I don't have a .22-250 anymore, as I favor .223rems. But I also have a .243win, and I'm drooling to get a .243WSSM from Dtech.

As a side note, the longer I hunt whitetail deer, the more and more I start to consider the .243win the optimum whitetail cartridge (even though I rarely use it for that).
Posted by: logstove

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 01:31 AM

I don't think its fair to consider/compare a 22-250 with a 50gr-ish to a 6mm bullet with 58gr as I think you should compare the 22-250 with a 6mm 75gr-ish bullet. Reason being is the 6mm has the ability to shoot heavier bullet and this helps with wind drift if it is windy.

Years ago a friend of a friend renting an old farm house on my old man's farm used to snipe groundhogs from the barn loft out to 300 yards and he got a high percentage of hits and it was a heavy barreled rifle.

I think today for a dedicated coyote rifle out on the windy plains or even in eastern fields where long shots are common the 6mm bullet would work well. The only draw back is if you got a coyote showing up at say 70 yards...the 6mm will make a mess if them.

Even with a 6mm 58gr Hornady bullet the bullet will fly but at some time wind factors in because of the relatively light bullet.
Posted by: AubreyD.

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 01:34 AM

Ya I think the only way you could really compete with the .243 is to get a really fast twist 1-7 or 1-8 twist 22-250. The .243 Winchester is one of the most versatile calibers out there. They are usually accurate and not too picky about what you feed them. As for the 250 it can be a bit more picky about what it likes in my experience.
Posted by: joed

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 06:14 AM

I have both but prefer the .243 hands down. The .243 is more versatile and can shoot bullets ranging from 55 gr to 115 gr depending on twist. Mine handles 55 gr to 100 gr and shoots them all accurately.

My .22-250 shoots one bullet well, the 52 gr match. Anything else hasn't been as accurate.
Posted by: Coyotejunki

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 10:56 AM

I think the 22-250 was designed/developed around a 40-50 grain bullet. I went with a 1-12 twist when I had mine put together just for 55gr bullets or slightly heavier. My 243 shoots several bullets very well, with the 70gr Noslers amongst the best of the common bullets. I suppose Bergers and such would shoot better.

For long range shooting I believe the 243 has the advantage over the 22-250. Some guys are shooting the 243 out to 1000 yards, though these are not factory rifles generally. I believe I read Tubb won a competition with a factory 243 Remington.

Though much of this may be a moot point as guys like Tubb, a nation champion, are on a much higher shooting level than most of us.

I like both cartridges, but the 243 generally is rougher on coyotes than the 22-250, like often mentioned above, if that is important to you.

If killing and anchoring them was my only concerns, then the 243 would be my choice of the two.
Posted by: trickrick

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 06:05 PM

I own both, I shoot both, I love both. I too vote yes!
Any questions? Good luck on your quest
Posted by: Mulepadre

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 09:46 PM

.243 screams at 4K muzzle velocity with 58gr VMAX
Posted by: Lungbuster

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/25/13 11:58 PM

What's wrong with the .22-250 you have now?
Posted by: Mulepadre

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 08:45 AM

If you have time check out this informative essay by Chuck Hawks:

Varmint Cartridge Comparison Primer
Posted by: skinney

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 09:04 AM

Originally Posted By: EDP

What is the good and bad from either

You can't argue with the high BC rounds available for the 6mm, you can always sacrifice that for a lighter round and gain more velocity.
A 22-250 is a wicked little cartridge, as of now its been my all time favorite coyote killer, being a fur collector I prefer less damage, which is why I roll with the 250.
Seeing your from TX, and the fur isn't worth as much as it is up here, I'm "assuming" you don't care if you rip and tear?
Posted by: MPFD

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 12:48 PM

I shoot two .243's, one with 58 g. Vmax, and one with 87 g. VLD's.
Posted by: DAB

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 01:36 PM

I have both but prefer the 22-250 for colony varmints and the .243 Win. for coyotes. In fact I have 3 .243's one is a 10 pound monster for open country, and a Feather weight Winchester Compact for normal run of the mill country. The third one I keep so the grandson has a good rifle to kill yotes with(Winchester youth Ranger)

I prefer two bullets for my .243's one , Nosler 80 Grain Ballistic Tips Varmint the other is a Hornady 87 Grain V-MAX. both shoot verry well and do a real number on coyotes.

I wish I knew what bullet Randy Anderson uses in his .243 cause it doesn't seem to cause to much damage to furs.
In one of his DVD's he says that the .243Win. cartridge is his favorite cartridge for coyote hunting. If I am not mistaken he did move up to a .243AI. in a later DVD.
I look at ti this way if it is good enough for Randy it is good enough for me. thumbup
Posted by: dan brothers

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: MPFD
I shoot two .243's, one with 58 g. Vmax, and one with 87 g. VLD's.


Now this is the way to roll...
Posted by: Riflemann

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 10:40 PM

I shoot a 22-250 for yotes, and I prefer my 30-06 for deer. Buy a 243 if you want something different for both. Good Luck----Riflemann
Posted by: Brownie

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/26/13 11:36 PM

My .243 shoots pretty decent with 95 VLD hand loads and great with 70 NBT factory loads. Haven't found 87 VLD to try so I'm not sure how those do. But a .243 will do anything a 250 can and then some. My vote goes for .243
Posted by: belgiboy

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/27/13 09:14 PM

Another consideration: I like to see the bullet impact through the scope. Calibers like .223 and 22-250 allow that because the recoil is light. Will the recoil of a 243 make you lose your sight picture? I don't own a 243 myself so I don't know firsthand but it would be something I would want to find out. Maybe others can chime in on this.
Posted by: AubreyD.

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/27/13 11:45 PM

Brownie NATCHEZ shooting supply has the 87 VLD Hunting bullet.
Posted by: N8Will

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 08:56 AM

My vote also goes to the 243, can't go wrong with the heavier bullet in the wind. I've been shooting the berger 87VLD in my 243 AI, they dont run or spin with this set up.
Posted by: The Famous Grouse

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 12:58 PM

I own both a .22-250 and a .243 in virtually the same rifle--the Tikka by Sako.

Both are great calibers, but IMO they are not interchangeable when it comes to performance. They both have things that they do that the other cannot replicate.

- The .22-250 shoots flatter with the same weight bullet. Obviously, BC is coming into play here, but it seems to come into play significantly more than I expected and is quite pronounced at distances over 300 yards. Again, might have just been my expectation, but I haven't been able to make the 243 shoot like a .22-250 when it comes to being freaky-flat.

- The key advantage to the .243 is that it's more versatile in terms of heavier bullets. I have a 90 grain Nosler that is just fantastic in the .243, but I can also step down to 50-60 grains with great results. My results with a wide range of bullet weights were so good, that I can't see the point in even trying to push the 250 to do something simlar with 70-80 grain bullets.

- There is significantly more recoil with the .243. How much this matters depends on how much you're shooting, but I will tell you that for me, shooting 100 rounds of .243 at varmints was MORE than enough for me in a given day. By contrast, I don't even think about round count with 22-250. Given that I have two rifles that are almost identical, I don't think there is any debating the fact that in the same gun, recoil will be more with the .243. How much this matters depends on what you intend to use it for, obviously taking a poke or two at a coyote is different from sending hundreds of rounds after p-dogs in a single day.

Grouse
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 09:06 PM

I'm goin to try the 243 I had an opera unity to purchase a VTR I'm going to put it on an axiom stock. (So recoil will be a non issue? Really like this stock and have gotten use to them I have several. Hopefully it will be a shooter I'll post results

Thanks for all the Imput
Posted by: MPFD

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 09:10 PM

Recoil won't be an issue...
Posted by: bigdog1

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 09:21 PM

22-250/243, ? They are both way more than you need for coyotes out to 200 yards. I like my little 22 K-Hornet.

How dead is dead? Both of the guns mentioned are not really fur friendly. If you are just Killin, either one will do the job.

JD
Posted by: orkan

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 09:56 PM

I elected not to choose... I run a 22-243. smile
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 10:22 PM

That would work
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 10:25 PM

I have a 22 mag
22 hornet
A 204
2. 22/250's
And a 270
Although both my 22/250's shoot well guess I'm just looking for the next greatest thing
Might have to look into that 22/243 smile
Posted by: deathwind II

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 11:28 PM

6 SLR would be the next greatest thing. That's one reason I just bought my first .243. Intended to keep my .204s and sell my .22-250 since, but... you know how that goes. wink
Posted by: orkan

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/28/13 11:45 PM

Originally Posted By: EDP
Might have to look into that 22/243 smile
I did a little write up on the process I followed.

http://www.primalrights.com/forum/article.php?a=8522
Posted by: batman1262

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/29/13 09:52 AM

I really want to see this rem action on a axiom chassis! I love the axiom chassis!! Not wild about howa [beeep]!
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/29/13 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: orkan
Originally Posted By: EDP
Might have to look into that 22/243 smile
I did a little write up on the process I followed.

http://www.primalrights.com/forum/article.php?a=8522


Cool article
What does your gun weigh
What could someone expect to have invested in something like that
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/29/13 10:28 AM

EDP, if you have intrest in a 22-243, twist it fast and use 62- 75 gr bullets. If you are gonna shoot 55 and less, just use a 22-250.

Since you don't have a 243, get one !
Posted by: EDP

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/29/13 11:08 AM

As far as twist rate
I acquired a 243 in a rem VTR cool looking gun and I think it will be awesome on a axiom stock
It is a 1 / 9 twist that seams pretty fast to me

What are the benefits and pitfalls of a fast twist
I know stabilizing a heavy bullet but what else

I'm thinking I'll be shooting 55/58... Gr bullets not sure yet what Berger has to offer
Any input here would be appreciated

I don't save furs for the most part
That being said occasionally I shoot one that has a good coat I would like to save and a few bobcats too
Posted by: Tim Neitzke

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/29/13 11:21 AM

9 twist in a 243 is standard and will get you 55-100s no problem, well most of the time. We all know each barrel has it's favorite bullets .

My old Rem really liked the 70gr NBT.

Posted by: orkan

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/29/13 12:28 PM

Originally Posted By: EDP
What does your gun weigh
What could someone expect to have invested in something like that
It weighs 13.5lbs with attached harris bipod, optic, YHM 5.56 Titanium suppressor, 7rnds on board, and sling.

Price of that kit as configured: $8,600
Posted by: BULLDOG1

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 11/06/13 06:41 PM

My pet load for my 22/250 over the years have been 33 GR. of IMR 3031 with either 50 OR 55 GR.JHP bullet or any of the Ballistic tip's that are out there now, & I also have used 38 Gr. of H 380 with any of the above bullets, for Ground Hogs & Coyotes with great success.
Posted by: Chalky47

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 07/03/14 10:47 PM

My same question also! 22-250AI or 243AI is what I am trying to figure out.
Posted by: orkan

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/07/14 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Chalky47
My same question also! 22-250AI or 243AI is what I am trying to figure out.
Combine them! 22-243AI. smile

That's what I'm doing. I sure do like the 22 cal bullets going fast.
Posted by: marco

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/07/14 03:34 PM

I have .243 and 22 250 great rounds!
Posted by: joed

Re: 22-250 vs 243 - 10/07/14 08:40 PM

I have both .22-250 and .243 and like both. The .243 is on a Winchester Featerweight and the .22-250 is on a 700 VS.

If I were buying the VS over again I'd rather have it in .243, It's just more versatile. It shoots bullets from 58 gr to 100 gr. My .22-250 only likes one bullet, the Sierra 52 gr match. I've tried 50 gr and 55 gr but they refuse to shoot as well as the 52 gr.