Doing something wrong with pup distress???

Posted by: Acronin

Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 10:39 AM

I have NEVER , EVER gotten a coyote to come into pup distress or fights. I know it's effective, but I cannot understand how others are so successful with it. I end EVERY stand with pup in distress. I'm using a Lucky Duck Riot and I know Rick has put a ton of different distress and fights on it all sound good to me.

How long do you let the distress go after a calling sequence?

My stands are usually around 20 minutes and the last 5 are pup distress or fights on and off.

Thanks for the input. Anything you can do to help would be awesome.
Posted by: Heymartay

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 11:10 AM

Got a double last night,lucky duck kryptonite finished them. [img]http://[/img]
Posted by: Acronin

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 11:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Heymartay
Got a double last night,lucky duck kryptonite finished them.


Ok, do you mind telling me how that went and how long you were at the stand?

If not that's fine, but something's got to be wrong. I've been hunting coyotes for many years and everybody has some success bringing coyotes in via pup/coyote fights/distress.

Do I need to stay on the stand longer? Like 30 minutes?

Thanks, also, hunting the Sandhills of Nebraska. Plenty of coyotes out there.

Andy
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 12:31 PM

I usually drop the volume in half if I switch to pup distress at the end.
Posted by: tripod3

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 12:49 PM

I've taken a ton with pup distress some with that as the only sound used.
Fun part is stopping one after a partner has shot and missed, once stopped one fleeing 4 times and yes my partner missed all 4 times! He was shocked and embarrassed.
Posted by: crapshoot

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 12:51 PM

I'm in the same boat as you. I've called a few that way over the years but not many. But i can't help but keep doing it. I figure if I'm at the end of a set, what have i got to lose.
Posted by: TheDenMaster

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 12:58 PM

Iím very not talented compared to some people on here. My opinion. It seems like pup in distress ends up being the hook that drags them in. A lot of the times I will use a pretty subtle call to start the stand. Run it on and off for a bit at low volume. Wait 3-4 minutes. Turn on a pup distress at a little bit louder volume and the coyotes usually come charging in pretty quickly if they are going to come in at all. That seems to be a more common scenario for me.
Posted by: AWS

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 01:01 PM

Like you it has not been a successful call for me, I don't think I use it enough.

Here's a link for you.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=using+pup+...B01&PC=U531
Posted by: dan brothers

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 03:46 PM

Good links there AWS.

Years ago when I was green as goose crap, and my friend in Okla was calling... he says... "Get ready because they will come now" While i was wondering what he meant, he turned on pup in distress, and within a couple of minute, we had a hard charger in our faces. After years of calling these furry critters, I'm convinced that if you only had one call to work with... the pup in distress would be it.

Acronin... experiment with using ONLY that sound to see what happens...without the fight stuff. I'm not sure it really matters if it plays at low volume, medium or high... because the closer they get to it...the louder it becomes... or even if you stop it occasionally or play it constantly. But I think that 1 min of play... with 1 min of silence... while continuing that sequence would get'her done... IF NOT... I'll give you your money back...LOL.

PS... I LOVE THOSE SANDHILLS.
Posted by: Heymartay

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 04:01 PM

This was at night, could see them @500 yards away. Had been using rabbit distress for @10 -15 minutes when they showed up. Put on vole distress to see if that would get them coming, no luck then did kryptonite on@25 volume and they ran all the way to me. Got pics if I can figger it out. Second time this week kryptonite worked.
Posted by: Heymartay

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 04:16 PM

And I did a Kirsch and was patient on the runner and got him to stop. Missed at least 5 runners the last couple weeks.
Posted by: derbyacresbob

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 04:24 PM

I have had great results using Pup Distress 3 on full blast volume to call in coyotes.

I use Coyote Pup Screams on full blast volume for stopping coyotes.
Posted by: Heymartay

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 04:46 PM

Yea loud, never heard of a quiet fight.
Posted by: 204 AR

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 04:55 PM

Kryptonite is a killer call. In fact it called and killed one at about the 13, 14 minute mark last weekend. The first half of the stand was rabbit or other prey, can't remember.

Honestly though it's not that common for me to call one that late in the stand this time of year. Usually they are in range within 6 or 8 minutes. Later in the year it seems to take a bit longer. But all the pup distress and a lot of the fights sounds have called a coyote for me in the last few years with the LD. Last year I alternated coon fight with something, either cat fight or pup distress, switching every minute or two, and called the biggest male of the year. I think that ended up being a $100 dog.

Only time I've seen them fail is with yoy coyotes. Had one a month ago hang out at 400 yards, wouldn't come in to anything. I think it was just intimidated. Ended up dying anyway lol.
Posted by: hm1996

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: tripod3
I've taken a ton with pup distress some with that as the only sound used.
Fun part is stopping one after a partner has shot and missed, once stopped one fleeing 4 times and yes my partner missed all 4 times! He was shocked and embarrassed.


^^^^This

Have found one corner of an 11,000+ acre ranch to be one of my most productive stands for the past 17 years. Hunting the spot so many times I am sure that the ranch boundary fence is also a territorial mark year after year, having had a number of coyotes come right up to the fence, start to cross, only to back off. Two tracks run on both sides adjacent to the fence most of which is now grown up with thorn brush so thick that you can only see through small patches.


This picture taken from corner, right after fence construction....no undergrowth


This one hesitated, but dared to cross that line! grin

Well, most of him got through!


Another morning, a couple of years after first picture taken, I was snuggled up in that thornbrush watching the N-S road and my partner was behind me in the corner watching E-W road & center sendero which terminates in the corner.

Called in a coyote on the other ranch with Nutty nuthatch, which came up roadway on south side of boundary fence from the west and rounded the corner,within 3-4 yards of my partner, then passed me in the closest rut of the two track, still on adjoining ranch. He ran right up to my call which was hung on the fence about 30 yards north of me.

Long story short, when the coyote would get close to call, I'd silence it. He would stop, look up, then start pacing back and forth barking & trying to locate the source of the sound. At some point, I think he may have suspected my presence, as he came up close, sniffing the very thick thornbrush directly opposite of me. Not thinking, I growled at him and thought for a minute it was a terrible mistake as he drew even closer but fortunately the brush was impenetrable & he resumed barking and running back and forth. It's been a number of years and I have forgotten exactly how long this went on, but IIRC it was over 30-35 minutes by the timer on my remote.

That coyote wanted to come across that fence so badly, but was obviously afraid to. He finally departed, headed east. I stopped him and called him back three or four times w/pup distress. I'd bark and stop him about 50 yards from the fence, turn back and challenge howl, which I alternately mimicked or played pup distress, then he'd run right back to the fence and stop, barking. We carried on this argument for quite a while.

I start most stands w/pup distress and have called in a number, usually they respond right away; if no response in 5 min. or so, switch to something else, but play pup distress for a few minutes at end of most stands, go silent and sit a few minutes more. Have had an occasional visitor after the last call.

Regards,
hm
Posted by: dan brothers

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 06:40 PM

Kryptonite.... Hmmmm.... I need to hear that one for sure
Posted by: SlickerThanSnot

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: dan brothers
I'm convinced that if you only had one call to work with... the pup in distress would be it.



only 1 sound? i will take rabbit. with no hesitations.
Posted by: spotstalkshoot

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/02/20 11:12 PM

Coyote pup distress is my Fox bang sound setting, so it gets run whether I shoot or not on most stands. Unless I'm revisiting a setup in the same year.
Posted by: DAA

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
Originally Posted By: dan brothers
I'm convinced that if you only had one call to work with... the pup in distress would be it.



only 1 sound? i will take rabbit. with no hesitations.



Yup, me too.

But I've called a bunch with Pup #3. But I've never called many with any sound, after 15 minutes on stand. On the occasions I stay that long, I'm just throwing crap out there for the crap of it mostly - generally I have very little hope of anything working after that long.

Most of the coyotes I've called with pup distress were there within the first five minutes of the stand. Same as with any other sound.

You might just try using it as a primary, starting sound. See if that makes a difference.

- DAA
Posted by: Smokin250

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 07:41 AM

Try starting the set with coyote distress rather than ending as others have mentioned. Around here we dont use rabbit distress...period. everyone in county uses rabbit distress and blows the sets. So the coyotes are used to it, not to mention rabbit numbers are way down.

If i set up and notice a coyote in field, or know one is close, i will start real low on nuthatch. Generally this brings them in on a string. If i go into a set blind i will generally do some form of interrogation or coyote distress, and go from there.

I cant tell ya how many coyotes i have killed off pup screams or pup distress. I however may be a little different than others on volume. I rarely go over 50% volume on a set.

I night hunt only though
Posted by: tripod3

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 08:02 AM

I often will try sounds with different emphasis on my friends or ranchers dogs in hopes they might know it's me and won't come a distance to ruin a set.
In doing so they may come over to investigate and listen. The one call sound that repeatedly brings their ears up is pup whine, even if it was just an hour ago.
Posted by: derbyacresbob

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 11:57 AM

I have been using a 12 volt gel cell battery on my Foxpro's with two speakers since 2008. My callers are very loud. On every stand I make I will reach full blast volume 40.

On some of the sounds that are not very loud I will play them on volume 40 the entire time I use that sound. After calling for 6 to 8 minutes I will go to a loud Jack Rabbit sound and play it on full blast for about a minute and then turn it down. Many times I have a coyote or coyotes show up within 4 to 5 minutes after playing a loud sound on full blast.

Every time I use coyote vocals it is on full volume 40.

In country with hills, mountains and canyons the coyotes are not always in a perfect spot to hear your sounds. Many times I have driven my vehicle right up to within 100 yards of coyotes, deer and elk and they didn't hear my vehicle. It may have been because the wind or breeze was blowing from them towards my vehicle.

I call against the wind or breeze 95% of the time and that maybe why high volume has worked for me using it sometime during every stand I make.

If you use full volume for just 30 seconds to a minute or use Pup Distress 3 at the end of your stand on full blast your sounds will be heard by more coyotes over the long run.

Quite a few years ago 3 of Foxpro's most popular sounds were some of the loudest sounds Foxpro had at that time.
Posted by: JoeyJ

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 12:09 PM

Whatever works for you keep doing it until you do something else. smile

Might start out with a coyote bark for 10/15 seconds. Then either a cottontail, snowshoe or jackrabbit squeal. Maybe a pheasant call, prairie dog or vole depending upon your area.

Coyotes always seem to be hungry, so if they are in the area they will come - major problem is how smart are they and how smart are you? If they are educated - meaning they have survived their 1st year - they will probably want to get the scent and if you haven't taken that into consideration in establishing your hide location - he'll flake you and you'll never see him.

I would imagine night thermal hunting is different whereas you'll see him a ways out maneuvering to get your scent.

Sometimes they just aren't in your area when you set up. I've wasted some gas driving around at night to locations I've spotted in the day time and just set up the caller and territorial howled or challenge howled - if I hear a response, I know that area contains a coyote/coyotes and I'll give it a go in the next day or two. Sometimes you see them, sometimes you don't. smile

Living in snow country, you can waste gas driving back roads at 6AM immediate after getting a couple inches of snow looking for tracks - a good indicator that a coyote might be in the area or at lease close enough to hear your caller.

Pup distress, adult distress, food fighting, hunting whines, cow calf distress, crow distress - they all work - sometimes smile. Sometimes you get cattle, deer and more coming to those sounds.

The above is in context to day hunting - night thermal hunting seems to be a lot more productive relative to seeing and shooting at coyotes - almost like using hounds on a mountain lion hunt.

Young guys will hike in to a hide and call for 10/15 minutes and move on - a very experienced coyote hunter might hike in and stay for 30/45 minutes calling and eat a snack before walking back to the pickup. Both can be successful. cool experienced used in this sense can also be interchangeable and called an elderly senior citizen.

I called in fox & coyote back in the early 60's using a Herters field record player using scratchy 45 rpm records of a squealing rabbit. Wish I still had that set up just to see if it would still work relative to bringing in a hungry coyote. Either the coyote has gotten smarter or the marketing guys have gotten smarter whereas they have us purchasing all types of expensive equipment for calling coyotes. crazy
Posted by: steve garrett

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: DAA
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
Originally Posted By: dan brothers
I'm convinced that if you only had one call to work with... the pup in distress would be it.



only 1 sound? i will take rabbit. with no hesitations.



Yup, me too.

But I've called a bunch with Pup #3. But I've never called many with any sound, after 15 minutes on stand. On the occasions I stay that long, I'm just throwing crap out there for the crap of it mostly - generally I have very little hope of anything working after that long.

Most of the coyotes I've called with pup distress were there within the first five minutes of the stand. Same as with any other sound.

You might just try using it as a primary, starting sound. See if that makes a difference.

- DAA


hey you forget the magic effect of tim's howler. gotta be worth an extra coyote a day on average. if you're only getting 2 coyotes a day if you're lucky doesn't seem very worth it to sit 15 minutes. sitting that long seemed to make more sense when the calling was better.
Posted by: AWS

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 02:45 PM

"I called in fox & coyote back in the early 60's using a Herters field record player using scratchy 45 rpm records of a squealing rabbit. Wish I still had that set up just to see if it would still work relative to bringing in a hungry coyote. Either the coyote has gotten smarter or the marketing guys have gotten smarter whereas they have us purchasing all types of expensive equipment for calling coyotes. crazy"


Been there done that and agree completely. I think all the bells and whistles are to sell callers.

Something like a CS-24 w/20 sounds and a simple reliable remote would call every coyote I'd want to kill. Imagine all the good callers that kill coyotes with just a piece of wood with a hole drilled through it and a reed inserted, no foxbang, foxfade, moonphase entry, etc.
Posted by: BrentWin

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 04:25 PM

I have never called a coyote in with any kind of electronic coyote vocals. But, hurt pup on a mouth call is my go to call and has taken a fair amount of coyotes over the years.

Take that for whatever it's worth.
Posted by: Acronin

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 10:35 PM

Thanks you guys. I took a personal day on Monday to shoot a pronghorn doe, but maybe ill start the day off with a couple of stands.

Onky question I still have is how long on the stand? 20 minutes still ok. Longer?
Posted by: tripod3

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/03/20 10:55 PM

Quote:

Onky question I still have is how long on the stand? 20 minutes still ok. Longer?


Some guys limit it to 15 min and run, I know many that go 20-30 min, I'm stubborn and will hold out 45 or more if success doesn't come sooner.
Getting out and to another set is not as simple for me, so it justifies extra effort. I have left sets earlier only to see one coming in.
Posted by: dhull

Re: Doing something wrong with pup distress??? - 12/04/20 12:50 AM

Only been 4 times so far, started on the 1st. Every dog I've called has been with pup distress. Called 6, taken 3. 1 dog was only pup distress, the rest were rabbit for 15 minutes, then pup distress before moving. Each time for the first 1-2 minutes of pup distress i had one come in. Its been my go to call and my most successful for the past 10 years or more.