A day of dens

Posted by: Brownie

A day of dens - 05/27/13 12:13 AM

Decided to go out today out to the 7C's ranch and do a little coyote control and enjoy some quiet me time away from the family. After getting a late start I loaded up my gear and daisy dog and hit the road. I left my house at around 1pm and after a 45 minute drive I was at my first stand. I set the caller on a pile of old wire and as I was walking to my spot I looked up and see two heads up on the horizon. I drop down and pull my binos up and see two pups playing about 200 yards away. I play Push Buttons on the caller hoping pup distress will bring in mom and dad but i forgot to turn on the call. So I do some pup distress on my diaphragm call and the pups come about 50 yards closer and sit down. I get steady on my shooting sticks hoping to get a 2 for 1 special an send the 95gr VLD down range. A pup drops in his tracks and the other goes into a frenzy of pup distress. He moved at the last minute and only caught some fragments is my guess. I chamber another and just as I touch off he makes a break for it and I miss. I sent one more before losin sight of him.

After searching for the second one and not finding him we head to stand #2. We're rounding a corner before we get where were going and daisy gets tense and starts growling. We move up a few more yards and a coyote bolts through the sage. 3 shots later and he disappears over the hill.

View from stand #2. Other than the coyote we bumped out nothing showed up. After making it a mile down the road realized I left my phone there so I had to drive back and find the sage brush i sat in to find it. And well it took a while since theuy all look the same. But I found it and headed back out.


After the phone ordeal I headed a different direction than before because my gut had told me to stop on the way by the first time. So I parked the Durango and we headed to stand number 3


Notice the dirt bank in the center? That was another den. I was hoping the coyotes would come down the drainage from either the top
Or below but after a series of howls a pup came out
Of the hole howling his little head off. I lined him up and dumped him on his 125ish yards.






On the way to stand 4 I ran into the rancher and his crew branding calves and have him a progress report and showed him pics. He said I was a stone cold killer but appreciated it since those "cute little pups" would eventually be gnawin on his calves. Stand 4 was a bust but the view Was worth it. all in all Seen 7 killed 3 possibly 4. Not a bad day happy Memorial Day everyone.

Posted by: Ward H.

Re: A day of dens - 05/28/13 05:32 PM

nice, no mercy,
Posted by: clubstrump

Re: A day of dens - 05/28/13 05:34 PM

Nice story & Pics. Gotta be a better shot to hit those small ones.
Posted by: wmig2

Re: A day of dens - 05/28/13 05:55 PM

thumbup
Posted by: jotrot

Re: A day of dens - 05/28/13 06:31 PM

great day, thanks for sharing
Posted by: dan brothers

Re: A day of dens - 05/28/13 06:42 PM

The bullets were already paid for ...

Nice country... wish I was there to sling some lead as well.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 05/28/13 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Ward H.
nice, no mercy,


Haha nope no mercy when I'm around the only difference between the big ones and the little ones is ya have to have better aim for the little ones. The VLD'S made a nasty mess on the other two pups. I have some different angles on the head shot one but try are too graphic for the forum
Posted by: rynokron

Re: A day of dens - 05/29/13 12:04 AM

Nice shootin killer! LOL
Posted by: the impactzone

Re: A day of dens - 05/29/13 12:55 PM

did you check the dens for others?
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 05/29/13 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: the impactzone
did you check the dens for others?


I thought about trying the old barb wire trick but decide against it in case I snagged an adult. I wanted a wingman to cover me in case the fit hit the Shan and i got more than I bargained for
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 05/31/13 11:53 PM

That makes me sick what fun is calling in some young dumb pups.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 12:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeepyjer
That makes me sick what fun is calling in some young dumb pups.


About as fun as going out and having to put down some dumb young calves when coyotes get a hold of them. Not all calling is about fun some of it is for predator controll and when a rancher calls and says he needs some take out you have to oblige or he will find someone who will. Coyotes are coyotes and pups will grow up to be PREDATORS. If your offended move on. This is a PREDATOR HUNTING FORUM not the cute puppy channel on Youtube.
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 03:56 PM

Sometimes you have to go out and take care of some problems. Bragging all over the internet about something that is pretty offensive to a lot of people is in poor taste. At least one of the other sights pulled the pics of the dead pups.

This is just the kind of things that libs in your home state can use to set seasons on coyotes, restrict e-callers and night hunting. We've already lost the use of decoy dogs, hounds or even just having your bird dog along on a coyote hunt.
Posted by: cawilson82

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 04:48 PM

Killing coyotes is pretty offensive to some people. It don't matter if they are pups, if they just killed a calf, or if they attacked some little girl. Some things are better left untold but to make claims it makes you sick? C'mon pick a side. With all this antihunting coming from hunters why worry about the anti's?
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 05:28 PM

I call and kill adult dogs. Those are like picking off squirrels if you guys thing that makes you a coyote hunter then go for .I want a challenge that's why I don't kill the ones I find in the fields they are to easy like shooting pups out side a den.I thought this a hard core calling forum a person would think it was with all the custom call makers.
Posted by: doggin coyotes

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 06:05 PM

I find pictures of dead coyote pups offensive too. The same as I would seeing pics of dead bear cubs, fox kits, bobcat kittens, hawk chicks, spotted fawns, baby bunnies or any other very young animal.


Yeah, yeah, I know. "If I'm offended, move on." Well that ain't happening, so save it for somebody else.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: AWS
Sometimes you have to go out and take care of some problems. Bragging all over the internet about something that is pretty offensive to a lot of people is in poor taste. At least one of the other sights pulled the pics of the dead pups.

This is just the kind of things that libs in your home state can use to set seasons on coyotes, restrict e-callers and night hunting. We've already lost the use of decoy dogs, hounds or even just having your bird dog along on a coyote hunt.



The fact that your out in the woods with a gun and a call regardless of weather it's a hand call or ecall WITH THE INTENT TO KILL A COYOTE is ALL the Libs need to discriminate against you. Do you seriously think they care if your killing pups or teenagers or adults or old coyotes?? Your as foolish as them If you believe that. Now from now on if you or anyone else has a problem with this post PM me and we can talk in private or you can take it up with the mods. If you don't agree with it as I'm sure some don't then like previously stated MOVE ON. This thread has over 500 views and I'm sure not all agreed with it but they kept their opinions to themselves.
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 06:47 PM

This is a FORUM not a rubber stamp for your action. When you post here you expect to have a discussion not a pat on the back unless all agree with you.

Websters, " 3. a) an assembly, place, radio program. etc. for the discussion of public matters or current questions b) an opportunity for open discussion."

So if you expect to post here and not have opposing views you might think about what you are posting.
Posted by: rockinbbar

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 07:40 PM

I don't have one of the emoticons of eating popcorn, so I'll just sit back, and watch the show mostly from the fence... cool

That being said, I have done predator control work for a govt. agency before, and have seen every aspect of predator control up-close and personal. I had a requirement of photographing each dead animal, along with recording the GPS coordinates of the location, and other tasks. I have a virtual library of hundreds of photos...of hundreds of animals.

Some of them, I can, and will post.

Others...well, I won't post them, as I feel there is no need to include them in reflection of hunting stories and experiences told by me on an open forum.

For many of you, to be a paid Wildlife Specialist would be a "dream job"... I mean a govt. vehicle, all the gas paid for, and draw an almost decent wage to kill coyotes. Well, believe me when I tell you it's not all that savory an experience at times. But, to do proper predator control, it has got to be done if you are worth your beans. wink

Many is the time that I feel remorse for the animals.
To be clear, I have killed so many coyotes in some years that I almost feel sorry for them.... Almost. Reality seeps back in, and I am also aware of the damage they do, and havoc they wreak on entire industries and wildlife in U.S.

The "unsavory" aspect does rear it's head at times though. But the long range focus on what I was doing prevailed.

Now having you all know my position, I will say that the argument about posting things such as Brownie posted has always been controversial in nature in public forum. Not only the age of the coyotes, but graphic pictures as well from a couple of viewpoints can become controversial in itself... I know, as I have had my azz handed to me on one occasion for posting a picture not everyone agrees with before...
So, there is validity to the point already made that if you post a subject for discussion, be ready to accept the looming discussion, and points of view that may differ from the original intent of the thread.

It's just the nature of the beast.

For me personally, I am not offended. But, I will keep a portion of my vast library of photos private, and not open them up to discussion. Beyond that, I won't have those picture become part of the arsenal that will be used to restrict, limit, or infringe on the sport that all of us obviously enjoy.

~Barry
Posted by: yotehunter243

Re: A day of dens - 06/01/13 08:15 PM

If you don't like it move on. Doggin I think you just sit around waiting on posts to argue with people on. Thats about all your posts are.
Posted by: DannoBoone

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 01:25 AM

SW Nebraska. March 1962. Cows were calving. One foggy morning on
the school bus, we came upon a frightful scene. A neighbor's
herd had been invaded by a pack of four coyotes which had singled
out a certain cow and calf. The battle had obviously been going
on for awhile....the cow's tongue was hanging way out as she
was whirling around and around to fight off the yotes. As the
bus went on down the road, one coyote grabbed the calf's hind
quarters and another was going for the throat. The other two were
still harassing the cow as the fog obscured our view. Next stop
was to pick up that farmer's kids and a couple of us ran to the
house to warn him of the events in his pasture. He grabbed his
.30-06 off the gun rack and was out of the yard in his pickup
before the bus got out. We learned that evening he was too late
to save the calf. It was still alive but the rear end was
shredded and partially eaten, so he had to put it out of it's
misery. But not before getting one of the coyotes. Calves are
so darned cute when they are just a few days old, and that one
was no exception.

Upon seeing the photos in this thread, I thought, "They are
cute at that age.", but I know only too well what they do when
adults. It's easy for me to see why a rancher wants any and all
coyotes destroyed.

What really slays me is that most of the anti's who would have
a fit over the photos here have no qualms over aborted humans.
Perhaps there should be more photos of them in some forum
somewhere.
Posted by: Dirt Nap

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 01:35 AM

Good job Brownie! Being from Cali explains a lot!
Posted by: yotehunter243

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 06:49 AM

^^^^^ I was thinking the same thing but wasn't going to say it Dirt Nap
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Dirt Nap
Good job Brownie! Being from Cali explains a lot!
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Was that directed towards me ?Not everyone from here is liberal the central valley is conservative as any place.
Posted by: Fursniper

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: rockinbbar
I don't have one of the emoticons of eating popcorn, so I'll just sit back, and watch the show mostly from the fence... cool
~Barry


Here you go, I'll let you borrow one of mine while I use the other one. ___
Posted by: Orneryolfart357

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 05:33 PM

When one stumbles upon a nest of Rattlesnakes they should only remove the parents?
Posted by: Dirt Nap

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Orneryolfart357
When one stumbles upon a nest of Rattlesnakes they should only remove the parents?


+1. Pretty much ends the discussion!
Posted by: rockinbbar

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Fursniper
Originally Posted By: rockinbbar
I don't have one of the emoticons of eating popcorn, so I'll just sit back, and watch the show mostly from the fence... cool
~Barry


Here you go, I'll let you borrow one of mine while I use the other one. ___


Popcorn and beer isn't a bad combination at all! thumbup1
Posted by: jglynn

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeepyjer
I call and kill adult dogs. Those are like picking off squirrels if you guys thing that makes you a coyote hunter then go for .I want a challenge that's why I don't kill the ones I find in the fields they are to easy like shooting pups out side a den.I thought this a hard core calling forum a person would think it was with all the custom call makers.


you kill adult dogs!!?? that is worse than killing baby coyotes!!!

the difference between you and alot of us is that we take care of coyotes for our ranches and others ranches. apperantley, you are just a weekend warrior that does it for the thrill. we do it for the bottom line of profit at the end of the year!

i find no offense in these pics. it is how this works in the real world.

do you age all the coyotes "on the hoof" before you deccide to shoot them???
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 09:29 PM

Originally Posted By: jglynn
Originally Posted By: Jeepyjer
I call and kill adult dogs. Those are like picking off squirrels if you guys thing that makes you a coyote hunter then go for .I want a challenge that's why I don't kill the ones I find in the fields they are to easy like shooting pups out side a den.I thought this a hard core calling forum a person would think it was with all the custom call makers.


you kill adult dogs!!?? that is worse than killing baby coyotes!!!

the difference between you and alot of us is that we take care of coyotes for our ranches and others ranches. apperantley, you are just a weekend warrior that does it for the thrill. we do it for the bottom line of profit at the end of the year!

i find no offense in these pics. it is how this works in the real world.

do you age all the coyotes "on the hoof" before you deccide to shoot them???

Baby coyotes!! [beeep] sounds like a city person baby cow's I hate that.I know den hunting has to be done but bragging about it like it was such a big accomplishment was what got to me I guess.
Week end warrior!! no I kill them during the week days too.

Posted by: jglynn

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 09:43 PM

i dont have a clue on how many you kill a year, and really dont care, but i kill enough to argue with just about anyone on here.

We own one of the largest cattle ranches in southeast oklahoma and i see just as many coyotes as the next person.

im not saying posting the pics of dead pups on here is right or wrong, but it is something that has to be done to help with control. in just a few short months, these pups will be hunters as well. by calving season here, you will see YOY coyotes taking part on eating a dead calf or dead cow.
Posted by: jglynn

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 09:45 PM

and what sounds like a city person to me is someone who claims to be an accomplished coyote hunter calling them dogs! they are coyotes, not dogs! I hate that...... the "baby coyote" was a poke at you for claiming you only shoot adult coyotes. you claim denning needs to take place but then you claim you dont do it. this tells me you are not fully vested in trying to control coyotes on your ranch.
Posted by: cawilson82

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 10:02 PM

The reality is this , if a person has a problem with a thread or pics they'd get a whole lot farther by sending a respectful private message to the author explaining that hey i know killing pups is part of the whole deal but the pictures and story make us all look bad and I'd appreciate it if youdremove it or refrain from posting such.

Not bash him and claim it makes you sick and claim how poor of a sportsman he is.

Option one will get ya a heck of alot farther.
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 10:33 PM

What I can't call them dogs but you call the off spring pups what's the logic in that.Don't blow a blood vessel it's just a discussion.
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What's a YOY is that like a yote'... lol
Posted by: jglynn

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 11:26 PM

a coyote's young is called a pup. but a coyote is just a coyote, not a dog.
Posted by: jglynn

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 11:28 PM

YOY has nothing to do with yote....or dog or dawg or whatever else you wana call them. simply just a coyote.
Posted by: DannoBoone

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 11:50 PM

So, should one call them "coyote" or "coyotie"? When I was a kid,
seems like everyone in the Midwest called them "coyotes", while
the Californians (before they were totally invaded by the libs
of the Northeast, and becoming Kalifornians) called them
"coyoties". But more and more, it seems they are being called
"coyoties" by more and more people. What gives? What's the
correct pronunciation, Song Dawgs? ohmy
Posted by: jglynn

Re: A day of dens - 06/02/13 11:55 PM

coyote or coyotie, its just a matter of where you are from. i can live with that.lol. but yotes, dogs, dawgs, ect. drives me nuts.haha. Canine, yes. Dog, NO!!!
Posted by: Yellowhammer

Re: A day of dens - 06/03/13 04:14 PM

Quote:
What's a YOY is that like a yote'...


YOY = Young Of the Year
Posted by: Jabey9210

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 04:50 PM

I thought we call ourselves predator hunters? What I really don't get that is if it was 4 months later say in October nobody would have a problem with shooting those same coyotes. Makes no sense to me. If you find a nest of killer bees or a bunch of baby black widows in your back yard are you gonna wait until they grow up and look and act like adult killer bees and black widows before you kill them or are you gonna dispose of them no matter how old they are? If you would kill those baby spiders but throw stones at someone who kills young coyotes I'm sorry sir that makes you a HYPOCRITE!!!!!
Posted by: BAMIT

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 05:45 PM

I agree JB, the reality is a group like stop coyote killing contests in New Mexico- takes these exact pictures and spreads them across all their contacts and uses them to attack our hunting rights and portrays us as ruthless killers....Im glad you helped the rancher....dont care how many or age.....dont think I would post pics though....good hunting and good callin, Al
Posted by: WhoCares

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 07:57 PM

^^^^^^^ I agree. Don't care how old they are. A dead predator is a good predator. I do however believe that posting pictures of dead pups is in bad taste.
Posted by: doggin coyotes

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Jabey9210
I thought we call ourselves predator hunters? What I really don't get that is if it was 4 months later say in October nobody would have a problem with shooting those same coyotes.


One thing for sure, they're a whole lot easier to kill at that age than they are with an additional 4 months of life experience under their fur.

Predator hunters indeed.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 08:50 PM

So what happens when we post pictures of adult coyotes ?? They use those!! What happens when we quit postin kill pics perio and only post stories?? They will take out words out of context and use those
To spread their propaganda. I am not ashamed of what I like to do which is hunt predators. Big, small, black, white, brown and so on. The antis want hunting stopped regardless of what we post or don't post. Me personally I will not give them the satisfaction of a small victory for Them by not posting pictures of a successful day of predator control regardless of age. Mr. Morris do you not think they use the videos you and others have made to show this "cruel" "savage" "senseless killing" of "cute and cuddly" PREDATORS?? Post a picture of an OLD manged out coyote on its last leg in the middle of winter with a bullet hole and calling story and they wills till see it as "cruel" "savage" ect. This is my personal opinion. Call me tasteless or whatever you want I won't give those liberal tofu eating bunny hugging asshats an inch by sensoring my posts. I will refrain graphic photos to respect those who don't like seeing the gore and to stay inline with the rules but everything else is fair game in my book. I think sometimes as hunters we forget that if we were in line at the store when said liberals walked by and heard "purchase" and "hunting license" they would judge you on the spot regardless of who you were! By the way this post was never meant to go this route but its good to
See there are other folks who know where I'm comin from
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 09:59 PM

Most people understand shooting adult coyotes because they read stories or hear on the news about coyote attacks on people, children and animals, coyote puppies don't attack or hurt anything. The folks in NM were not trying to stop coyote hunting just the fact that it was turned into a competition/game, killing for numbers instead of for a reason, pelts/control.

Take it a step farther, deer hunting, you start shooting fall fawns and your buddies will be all over your case. What the heck, they're going to grow up to be big deer anyway. You sure wouldn't post pictures on the internet of the fawns you killed.

One step further nobody is in a uproar over the death of a bunch of Mujahideen terrorists, but start killing a bunch of Muslim children because they might grow up to be terrorists, will get the whole world in an uproar and you get a good chance at getting the death sentence.

Babies of a species and children have a very special place in peoples hearts.

As I said before, sometimes you have to take care of problem animals, posting pictures of dead puppies and bragging about it on the internet is in poor taste.

Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 10:57 PM

So now your siding with the antis on banning tournaments?? Did you ever consider the fact that some tournaments are held to give hunters incentive to go out and thin out the overpopulated coyotes?? You ask a deer hunter who normally doesn't predator hunt if he wants to thin em out he may say no. You tell him there's money or prizes involved and you got a solution to a population problem. Again I ask you DO YOU THINK THE ANTIS CARE HOW OLD THE COYOTES, DEER, MOOSE, COUGAR ECT. Are??? Nope they don't. And agreeing with them is the reason why we can't hunt with dogs. Because sportsmen who didnt agree with it didnt back up their fellow sportsmen on the issue. They aren't called anti baby animal hunting or anti contest hunting or anti over huntin. They are ANTI HUNTERS!!!

And if deer were vicious calf ravishing chicken coop raiding, making lunch of people's pets, (AKA a predator) you bet your butt I would shoot them big or little.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 11:03 PM

But from now on ill be sure to only post pictures of middle aged bachelor coyotes and tell you all they were goin through midlife crisis and on the verge of suicide. That way everyone's happy.
Posted by: Jabey9210

Re: A day of dens - 06/04/13 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: AWS


One step further nobody is in a uproar over the death of a bunch of Mujahideen terrorists, but start killing a bunch of Muslim children because they might grow up to be terrorists, will get the whole world in an uproar and you get a good chance at getting the death sentence.

Babies of a species and children have a very special place in peoples hearts.




Of course they would be in an uproar because those children "MIGHT" grow up to be terrorists. Those pups on the other hand "WILL" grow up to be predators!!!

And as for babies of a species. Like I stated before if you came across a nest of baby black widows would you wait until they grow up to kill them just because they are still babies? I think not so what's the difference between baby spiders and baby coyotes? Nothing they are both just a species that pray on another species to survive!!!
Posted by: Don Quixote

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 12:10 AM

Do what you need to do, but posting the pup pics is in poor taste.
Posted by: Yellowhammer

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 12:11 AM

Logic and reason often are thrown out the window, and emotion takes over in situations like this.

If I kill a deer, I don't have to strap it to the hood of my trucks and drive all over town with it. Do I have the right to? Sure. Should I? Probably not.

A lot of big game hunters get all bent out of shape when someone shoots an immature buck for "meat". Or they frown on a "city slicker" who brings in a nubbin buck or even worse spotted fawn to the processor and says "at least I got some meat".

The same people who protest against capital punishment are often the same ones who protest for abortion on demand. Figure that one out.

If a person does not see the harm in posting such pictures, then they just don't get it, or want to get it.

I can cut my nose off to spite my face all day long. And at the end of the day, all I have is a big gaping hole in my face.
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 12:12 AM

1. Never mentioned once that I am in favor of banning tournaments, I brought up the fact that the protester weren't for banning coyote hunting they were protesting the fact that it is a game/competition.

2. Deer are vicious garden raiding ungulate, I've personally been attacked by two more deer than coyotes.

3. I don't know of any tournaments held in May, June and July for the reason the last thing a tournament wants is dead puppies and lactating bitches on the check-in pile.

4. The reason we can't hunt coyotes with dogs in WA is that hound hunters continued to run cats using the excuse that they were running coyotes. The antis never banned dogs on coyotes.

5. Anti's are only a small segment of the population and nothing we can do will placate them. It is the large segment of the population that is neither an anti or a hunter that we need to reach out to, not offend.

6. Posting pictures middle aged coyotes sounds great, even better if they would have a half eaten poodle in there mouth.



Posted by: Yellowhammer

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 12:33 AM

Quote:
I brought up the fact that the protester weren't for banning coyote hunting they were protesting the fact that it is a game/competition.



This is the same group that showed up to protest or annual PM hunt, and it is not a contest. So don't be fooled that they only oppose contest hunts. They oppose all coyote hunting on public land.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 12:44 AM

Originally Posted By: AWS
Sometimes you have to go out and take care of some problems. Bragging all over the internet about something that is pretty offensive to a lot of people is in poor taste. At least one of the other sights pulled the pics of the dead pups.

This is just the kind of things that libs in your home state can use to set seasons on coyotes, restrict e-callers and night hunting. We've already lost the use of decoy dogs, hounds or even just having your bird dog along on a coyote hunt.



Originally Posted By: AWS
1. Never mentioned once that I am in favor of banning tournaments, I brought up the fact that the protester weren't for banning coyote hunting they were protesting the fact that it is a game/competition.

2. Deer are vicious garden raiding ungulate, I've personally been attacked by two more deer than coyotes.

3. I don't know of any tournaments held in May, June and July for the reason the last thing a tournament wants is dead puppies and lactating bitches on the check-in pile.

4. The reason we can't hunt coyotes with dogs in WA is that hound hunters continued to run cats using the excuse that they were running coyotes. The antis never banned dogs on coyotes.

5. Anti's are only a small segment of the population and nothing we can do will placate them. It is the large segment of the population that is neither an anti or a hunter that we need to reach out to, not offend.

6. Posting pictures middle aged coyotes sounds great, even better if they would have a half eaten poodle in there mouth.





So did they or didnt they ban dogs on coyotes there sparky?! You seem
To have contradicting statements
Posted by: Don Quixote

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 01:18 AM


^^^^ Doesn't want to get it^^^^
Posted by: the impactzone

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 01:28 AM



sorry thought it was a YOY at 250 turned out to be a pup at 150, was I sorry, heii no it was on the run
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 01:41 AM

I must be making progress, the only thing I got blasted for was I forgot to finish a sentence.

"This is just the kind of things that libs in your home state can use to set seasons on coyotes, restrict e-callers and night hunting. We've already lost the use of decoy dogs, hounds or even just having your bird dog along on a coyote hunt", WE DON'T NEED TO LOSE ANYMORE.

I kinda like SPARKY might have to change my handle.
Posted by: Yote Yoda USMC

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 10:37 AM

Originally Posted By: yotehunter243
If you don't like it move on. Doggin I think you just sit around waiting on posts to argue with people on. Thats about all your posts are.


I think that's his job, but most of his post are funny. At first I thought DC was just in a bad mood all the time and like to argue but he is a lot like Bob Newhart. He is funny and he delivers a lot of valueable info to people who need it. A lot of people on public forums are offended by others opinions but that's why I love America---we are free to express ourselves.

Yote Yoda USMC
Posted by: AllPredatorCalls

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 11:19 AM

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I thought we call ourselves predator hunters? What I really don't get that is if it was 4 months later say in October nobody would have a problem with shooting those same coyotes. Makes no sense to me. If you find a nest of killer bees or a bunch of baby black widows in your back yard are you gonna wait until they grow up and look and act like adult killer bees and black widows before you kill them or are you gonna dispose of them no matter how old they are? If you would kill those baby spiders but throw stones at someone who kills young coyotes I'm sorry sir that makes you a HYPOCRITE!!!!!


I call myself a predator hunter.

You ask what difference is it if it was 4 months later.

Too many in this sport it makes a huge difference. Although we all tout the benefit of predator control and the need to keep coyote numbers in check which helps fawn and turkey survival and recruitment and also saves the occasional “fluffy” the pet dog or cat. Many are in this sport because of the “sport". Many have no desire to kill every last coyote or exterminate them off the face of the planet. To many very seasoned and experienced coyote hunters it’s more about the challenge of the hunt. They don’t hunt during the denning and raising of the pup time period, however they spend every available weekend September to March matching whit’s with the trickster, selecting the stand location, enduring the cold winter air or freezing rain, mastering the stand, producing the vocals be it distress or communicative howls, enticing the animal into range, demonstrating solid field craft from utilizing the natural camouflage of a bush or a rock pile to being fully aware of the direction of a fickle breeze.. Sometimes success, many times failure.. To many that’s the essence of Predator Hunting and Sporting and Ethical. That's why some take offense to the pictures of dead pups on a den as depicting predator hunting or predator hunters, or sporting in general– It’s not the type of predator hunting the vast majority participates in.

There are selfish reasons as well, shooting 2 or 3 pups in a den means 2 or 3 less targets to match whit’s with late winter – shooting pups in a den is just not viewed as very “sporting”, "a challenge" or “ethical” to many predator hunters.

I don’t need to be schooled or educated on legitimate ADC work during calving operations or in sheep pastures. I fully support the need for it any time of the year.

However, hero pictures of dead pups at a den site, with its skull cap blown off does not depict predator hunting to me, it depicts ADC work.

The pictures fuel the anti crowd and their campaigns to limit seasons, coyote hunting contests, and hunting in general. It wasn’t too long ago someone posted a picture here of a heavily pregnant [beeep] coyote who had been shoot and had 4 or 5 spontaneous aborted near term pup fetuses all lined up in a nice straight row, I guess to some it made a cool hero shot. I say pictures of this ilk are nothing but ammo for our mutual enemies to use against us. Why give them ammo?

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Like I stated before if you came across a nest of baby black widows would you wait until they grow up to kill them just because they are still babies? I think not so what's the difference between baby spiders and baby coyotes? Nothing they are both just a species that pray on another species to survive!!!


Why do you bother hunting? If you equate a pup coyote to nothing more than killing a baby spider and see no distinction or difference in the killing of one or the other. Why get up in the morning and drive 30 miles to a stand in an attempt to shoot one if it’s a meaningless quarry or challenge – no better no worse then a bug. You apparently have no respect for the animal or the effort required to harvest it? I wouldn’t drive 30 miles to step on a spider. Killing pups on a den is not hunting or in the tradition of hunting ethics most predator hunters subscribe to.

I say dead pup pictures on a den have no place on a forum whose stated purpose is to “promote the SPORT of predator calling, wildlife conservation issues, and defending our hunting heritage.” The moderators need to refamilurize their self with the stated goal of this forum, or revise the current stated purpose statement to include. “Extermination of coyotes, and provide our adversaries ammunition to regulate, limit, and eliminate our predator hunting opportunities.”


I guess that makes me a hypocrite as well.

AP Jones
AllPredatorCalls.com
Posted by: Jeff Mock

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 11:49 AM

The subject of killing pups, in or out of their dens will always be a very hotly debated subject.

Posting pictures of such activity even more so.

Predator Masters exists to promote the sport of Predator Hunting and to help educate those newer members just beginning in the sport. Not to provide ammunition for the large amount of Anti-Hunting organizations whose sole purpose is to demonize our sport.

It is the position of Predator Masters that such photos will be removed from the board for obvious reasons.

Jeff Mock
Posted by: tripod3

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 12:09 PM

I have hunted coyotes year round as the season is.
At times set out to find active dens and shoot the pups with my camera. Often the adults show for a pose too.
some seasons have been changed with the help of press coverage.It seems the the most recent season change/cut was bear season citing concerns of risks of multiple user groups getting shot. Which happened.
Dont like to see coyote season put in bad light as it is a long one with more acceptance and chances opening up.
Posted by: Coltbill45

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 01:00 PM

While I'm not one to intentionally shoot pups for the fun of it due to the fact that I want them to be able to mate down the road and provide me with more hunting journeys by procreating, I have shot a few pups digging around some property line fences who wanted a taste of my friends chickens in his coupe. I didn't feel good about it but I did what I had to do to protect his animals. I personally don't believe that I could call myself a hunter if I were shooting sitting ducks that never had a chance to even run or that I did not properly stalk/call.

Bottom line, there is a big difference between being a hunter and executing game. This is no different from shooting a doe out of your truck window off the side of a highway. The big question is, was your purpose of execution justified?
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 01:02 PM

Thank you APC that was very well put.

Thank you Jeff.
Posted by: BAMIT

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 03:03 PM

I agree AP......and thanks Jeff.....Brownie, I worry every day that someone will watch FURTAKERS on the OC and use that footage that I worked so hard to get against me and everyone else that loves this heritage and sport we call predator hunting.....I love coyote calling, coyote calling contests-stage and field contests, [beeep] if there was a canary calling contest I would probably enter it....The hope for me at least is that we educate, entertain, and promote this "sport" we love...and show average people that might never do it, that it is challenging, fun, and a worthy cause for various reasons....Like I said, I will hunt them any time, anywhere, for any reason....I just hope we as hunters learn we must always put our best foot forward to show that hunting is conservation, it sucks that we must always think of the pics we post, the video's we show with that in mind. We should never have to justify to anyone what we do...[we were born free americans with several inalienable rights, all of which seem under attack.] So with that in mind, apologize to none, show some restraint, and enjoy what our creator has given us....Good luck and good calling, Al
Posted by: doggin coyotes

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 06:05 PM

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It is the position of Predator Masters that such photos will be removed from the board for obvious reasons.


And I see they have. thumbup1

Originally Posted By: Yote Yoda USMC
At first I thought DC was just in a bad mood all the time


Naw. DC is very seldom in a bad mood.

He just ain't near as good expressing what he wants to say in a type written media like AP Jones and some others are. IF DC was that good, he might would of said it just as AP Jones did though. tongue_smilie

Now if I drive 100 miles and the fish ain't bitin, all bets are off. I may be in a bad mood at the end of that day.

On another note, we FINALLY got some badly needed rain today. I think there was a drop spaced about every 1/4".. WooHoo .. Mother nature has a sick sense of humor..
Posted by: roode301

Re: A day of dens - 06/05/13 08:50 PM

Wow just Wow no wonder this country is turning into what it is.
Posted by: Caller-4-Hire

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 01:54 PM

The pics have already made their way around the anti sites.
Posted by: BAMIT

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 03:40 PM

stop coyote killing contests of New Mexico is using your pics Brownie.....and if I were you I would tell them those photos are yours and they have no permission to use them...a lawyer's signed letter is the best way..it sucks that we give them the very ammo they need..........
Posted by: Smokin250

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 04:01 PM

Unfortunately like rodeo said...its sad what this world is coming to. Im only 26 (27 in couple days), and I can say that i have seen the world turn into babies in my lifetime. No matter what we has hunters do to not show the true but gruesome side of our lifestyles as hunters the people that can't handle it will always seem to see it. I don't personally believe in going to advertise things out there that i knowingly feel people can't handle these days, HOWEVER i think its crazy that some think the world is sugar coated.

I have my own beliefs on this matter (the thread), and i don't feel the need to share them. However, i will say that sometimes things are done that other won't agree with...i have seen things in my own hunting expierences that would make people cringe...do i feel good about them, NO, but sometimes they are neccesary. Us as hunters know and understand that. The outsiders don't, and won't.

We as hunters should remember that regardless of our opinions on the topic at hand that we still have an agreeance on a larger topic...hunting. Its our life style's, passions, obbessions, carreers, hobby's, and way of life. There is no reason to sit here and bash each other on a public forum.If you don't agree then send him a PM. Everyone sits here and post's negative comments and bashes Brownie, that just shows the "antis" that they are getting under our skin and making progress....stand together.
Posted by: AWS

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 04:18 PM

Or Brownie could have sent us all a PM of the offensive photos and we could delete them as we wish and not have them public and used as ammunition to try and curtain coyote hunting.

This is a FORUM not a rubber stamp for every ones actions. If I see something that is out of line or offensive I want to be able to do something about it. If I'm out of line with my comments I'm sure I'll hear about it from the other members of this community or the moderators.

Protecting our hunting heritage is something that is very important to me.
Posted by: kal52

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 05:06 PM

actually went to there site to check it out,
I guess brownie isnt the only one who likes puppy pictures.

I noticed how a good share of the photos they have are of pups, Looking all cute and fuzzy! exept for the one of brownies, where they were laying there dead.

Im not all mister PC, but a little common sense goes along way.

This is one reason I very rarely post photos.
Posted by: bigdog1

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeepyjer
I call and kill adult dogs. Those are like picking off squirrels if you guys thing that makes you a coyote hunter then go for .I want a challenge that's why I don't kill the ones I find in the fields they are to easy like shooting pups out side a den.I thought this a hard core calling forum a person would think it was with all the custom call makers.


ME TOO> I don't hunt from end of FEB to end of OCT> KILLLEM now and no targets for the fall winter season.

JD
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: bigdog1
Originally Posted By: Jeepyjer
I call and kill adult dogs. Those are like picking off squirrels if you guys thing that makes you a coyote hunter then go for .I want a challenge that's why I don't kill the ones I find in the fields they are to easy like shooting pups out side a den.I thought this a hard core calling forum a person would think it was with all the custom call makers.


ME TOO> I don't hunt from end of FEB to end of OCT> KILLLEM now and no targets for the fall winter season.

JD

Well your kind of late I was getting bashed from everyone and being from Ca they were taking pop shots at me.
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Also very well said Ap Jones I just could not put it into words like you did.Love your site I am a customer too.
Posted by: Jeepyjer

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 06:14 PM

It is right their on their facebook page you guys were not joking when you said they will use the pictures crap.
https://www.facebook.com/StopGunhawkFirearmsCoyoteKillingContest
Posted by: skinney

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 06:43 PM

Lots of bashing, and trash talk...
I've said this in a few other posts, and I'll type it again for those who haven't read or seen my posts.
Personally, I don't kill pups, I don't kill coyotes until the fur is prime, that is just me, and my requisites.
I am not telling someone else how to do what they want or "feel" the need to do, whether it's for management or for fun!
NOW... as I stated in a post about a month ago, you guys need to stand together, or at least find a bit of common turf, cause I'll educate you on one thing, you and the anti's have nothing in common.
Give em an inch, they try and take a yard..., Do any of you really think they understand why we do what we do?
How many of you really think these anti's "hate" the guy who put the sneak on, and pounded these pups more than they hate someone like me who films it all?
Sit back eat popcorn all ya want watch the fellas wine and moan about dead "dogs"... I'm thinkin of the bigger picture, like how the F*** do we still have an irs, or epa, after all this BS... you think we're adding fuel to the fire by doing what we do in the realm of hunting a DOG... there's much bigger problems brewing.
Posted by: btech29

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:07 PM

Out of sight, out of mind.

Am I offended? NO
Do I think it was in bad taste? Yes
Do I think calling a fellow hunter on the carpet is going garner me some respect from those who hate us? NO
Do I hate cows? Yes
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:15 PM

Those idiots also have pics from foxpros website showing NO PUPS and bashing the contest up north they had or held?! And lots of ADULT COYOTE PICS. So yeah perhaps my pics were distasteful but I'm still not apologizing. And again I will say this THEY DONT CARE ABOUT AGE ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR HUNTING RIGHTS. Scroll fhrough the page and look at other photos you may find some of yours with dare I say it DEAD ADULT COYOTES. Sure they are using the contests as leverage but only to be followed up by all coyote hunting.
Posted by: btech29

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:17 PM

Whats the website?
Posted by: nighthunter04

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:22 PM

I have been reading yalls threads on this forum for years just never made a screen name. Im not a newby to this site nor a newby to predator hunting. Here is my 2 cents- when I first seen brownies pictures I knew where this thread was going. I was surprised it wasnt seconds before he started getting bashed. No way he should of ever posted them pics. That was a very selfish move on his part. We all enjoy hunting predators or we wouldnt be on this site. Is it necessary for some places to kill every and all cototes? Maybe maybe not. Is it necessary to post pics of pups that you have to wipe the milk off their mouths that you just shot at their den? NEVER!!!! THAT IS FREAKING STUPID. Me personally am not going to set at a den and shoot pups. Heck I see grown coyotes everyday this time of year and dont shoot them for the fear the may have pups in a den. Kind of like catching all your fish out of your pond. After awhile fishing in that pond is going to be no good. Same as hunting. Folks can say I have to kill every coyote I see to control
them but thats BS. There is a handful of folks on here that wake up every morning with the sole purpose of controling coyote numbers. Most of us are people just like me that love to predator hunt and do it evrry chance we get after we work our regular job. The world will not end if you let them pup coyotes grow a little. Sounds to me that ol brownie cant kill grown coyotes so took out some frustration on some pups. Anyway i have rambled on enough. Long story short if you feel the need to shoot a 3 pound baby animal of any kind dont be stupid and post it on the internet.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:25 PM

https://www.facebook.com/StopGunhawkFirearmsCoyoteKillingContest

That's the website btech and if you scroll through there's a
Picture of Tony Tebbes explorer and on the site as well.
Posted by: nighthunter04

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:32 PM

Brownie it dont make a crap who else is on there page. You posting them pics was stupid. Its that simple!!!! You can come up with all the excuses you want. It was a very rookie move on your part. Use your head for something other than holding your ears apart.
Posted by: Brownie

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: nighthunter04
Brownie it dont make a crap who else is on there page. You posting them pics was stupid. Its that simple!!!! You can come up with all the excuses you want. It was a very rookie move on your part. Use your head for something other than holding your ears apart.


Internet tough guy at its finest!!! Welcome to the page good to see you come
Out swinging. Looking forward to your posts stories and pics of
"All them coyotes you see" when your season starts oh wise coyote guru god master!
Posted by: btech29

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Brownie
https://www.facebook.com/StopGunhawkFirearmsCoyoteKillingContest

That's the website btech and if you scroll through there's a
Picture of Tony Tebbes explorer and on the site as well.


Seen lots of folks I know on there. Kinda offended I didnt make the cut. Ive posted on their little page before and they swiftly delete it and now I am banned. I was always civil and just put forth our side in a fair way. They dont want to hear our side. Anyone that thinks you can reason with them or find common ground you are fooling yourself. Aint no need in kissing their butts. They will hate us no matter what we say or what we do. It dont matter how many kids we take hunting or how much money we give to support wildlife. We are the enemy and they will not stop until hunting is outlawed.
Posted by: nighthunter04

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:43 PM

Thanks for the welcome!!! I appreciate it!!!! Ive got your internet tough guy anytime. Because your the moron shooting pups and posting pics of them on the internet and not everybody praised you for your "great" hunt dont get your panties in a wad. Over the last few days if you havnt figured out you were wrong then you have way to much pride. That was probably the most ridiculous/selfish post ive every seen. Oh and once again thank you for the welcome......
Posted by: 220_Swift

Re: A day of dens - 06/06/13 07:48 PM

I think this has run as far as it needs.