Baiting

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Baiting - 12/06/10 12:34 PM

We need a forum on baiting here. What do you all think.
Or if there is one I can't find it.

Jim
Posted by: Redfrog

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 12:43 PM

You're standing knee deep in it now.


Welcome to Predator Masters. thumbup

if you have questions or tips, post away.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 12:57 PM

This forum is about calling not baiting. I have not seen one thread about baiting.

Jim
Posted by: azmastablasta

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 01:04 PM

Jim,welcome to the forums. You have not seen a thread regarding baiting because very few predator hunters use bait. There would be very few posts in a specific forum. There is an occasional post about baiting once a year or so, just doesn't seem to be much interest. When there is such a post it seems to be on a ranch where they drag out dead cows or sheep and pile them up. For most of us baiting is too restrictive. As a rule we like to run and gun.ymmv.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 01:15 PM

Take a listen to this Radio talk show. There seems to be a lot of people interested in baiting.
I like to call coyotes and bobcats my self but baiting is another alternative. Just a thought.
Baiting
Jim
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 02:30 PM

Jim,

Azmasteblasta pretty much said it. Most of us enjoy the ablility to lure them in with a call, but also most of us won't pass up an opportunity to take one over bait if the opportunity presents itself.

Last year a cow had calved on the family farm and ended up with two dead calves. We don't know if they were still born or if the coyotes killed them. The guy who runs cattle on our farm notified me that he saw two coyotes feeding on the dead calves earlier that morning, so shortly afterwards I set up overlooking the area.

I hadn't set there long before one showed up. I was about 100 yards away, wind was right, and there was a snow on the ground which helped me see the yote approaching better in the timber. I took it with a 6x45 AR.

Later in the early spring of this year, I shot a coyote with a .22 magnum as the yote was feeding on some deer parts I thad thrown out on the farm. My son does taxidermy work and I have been throwing out the leftovers in a particular place. I was out walking about with my new toy, a Ruger 77/22, .22 mag. and just happened upon that one. It was just a shot of opportunity that I didn't expect at the time since it had been quite a while since I had thrown out any scraps. I guess the coyote was used to coming there.

I think baiting can be productive, especially during cold times when the coyotes are hungry, but you may be in for some long waits. You might try setting up a blind at a distance and keeping watch on the bait once the yotes are hitting it. A trail camera could be useful to let you know if and when you have activity. I've thought of doing the blind deal myself. Sometimes it's nice to just sit and watch rather than run and gun all the time, adds a little variety.

Still, I mainly call them. Either way, a dead coyote means more fawns running around, not to mention a lot of other animals.

Let us know how it goes.


Calf-eating Coyote




.22 Magnum Coyote



Posted by: Cammo

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 03:07 PM

Great Pictures!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Take a listen to this Radio talk show. There seems to be a lot of people interested in baiting.
I like to call coyotes and bobcats my self but baiting is another alternative. Just a thought.
Baiting
Jim


Jim, if you want to talk baiting send me a PM and I'll talk your leg off. I know a lot of guys have a limited amount of ground to hunt and they often over call it. I hear them complaining that they can hear coyotes howling but they can't call them in. Those can be ideal places to hunt over bait.

I realize a lot of guys only hunt by calling them but farmers around here want them killed any way legally possible. Hunting over bait can be very effective if you do it right.

I prefer to call them too but when a farmer tells me he will pay $25.00 for every one I kill on his land I use other methods if calling doesn't work.
Posted by: RJM Acres

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 04:15 PM

I have no problem with baiting or calling or trapping or
just sitting and waiting.
I've used all those methods and am happy just as long as I
get the critter(s) that are causing me problems.
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 04:39 PM

Jim,

That was the very first show I ever recorded. Baiting is still near and dear to my heart though. It seems that baiting is more prevalent in the north east. This could be in part to heavy cover and fewer coyotes. Could be that yankees just like to sit in the cold and stare at meat on the ground for hours on end. If I lived in New Mexico or Nebraska I probably wouldn't bait nearly as much as I do. Check out this article in PX from Andrew Lewand http://www.predatorxtreme-digital.com/predatorx/200912?pg=33#pg33
Should give a little more insight on baiting. If you ever want to talk baiting shoot me a pm. I would trade four baited coyotes for one hard charger coming to the call. It just gets my blood pumping.

Brian Downs
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 06:04 PM

Thanks guys for all the comments, I really appreciate it.
I guess I am just lucky, I have millions of acres of US timber land just out my back door not 20 yds from my property line. I have a storage shed in my back yard and have ordered a hunting blind window to put in the back of the shed, where I can put a bait pile at any distance I want. I also ordered a driveway sensor that will let me know when anything is near the bait. (lazy mans hunting blind)
I also ordered a XLR 250 Kill Light to mount on my scope.
With my propane heater going in my shed I am set up for night time hunting in comfort. Yea I know lazy,lazy,lazy.
But I have an excuse, I am 72 yrs old.

Jim
Posted by: RJM Acres

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 06:08 PM

Your setup sounds sort of like mine.
I have windows in the tack room on the barn and also the
other garage. Tack room has power to it and I just plug
a little heater in when needed. Garage will have power 1
of these days. Either place gives me some almost clear
shots at around 200 yards. Have used both places calling
and baiting.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 06:25 PM

RJM Acres
Yeah that sound like my set up. I have power to my storage shed. I have a electric heater I could run.
I live in the foot hills of the Cascade mountains and every year about this time of year the Deer migrate to lower ground because the snow gets too deep and the coyotes follow them. I have a little kit fox that visites my cat on the front deck every night to share the cat food. I just don't have the heart to shoot him. He don't seem to be afraid of me when I go out and talk to him. He just stands there and looks at me.

Jim
Posted by: justin10mm

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 07:05 PM

I think that would be a good idea. I bet it would get just as much traffic as the night hunting forum, maybe more.
Posted by: RJM Acres

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 07:16 PM

Keep any eye on that kit. You just never know when they
will decide to revert back to nature and take your cat with
it.

My tack room needs a new floor before I use it much more.
Idiot that built it didn't do it right and the rain has
run down the walls and rotted the floor and a few joists.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 07:41 PM


Jim,

I like your idea of a blind. That sounds comfortable, and certainly nothing wrong with that. The older I get the more I think about a little bit of comfort. Seems at times I like to be out and about, calling here and there, and other times I just like to sneak down to the farm and sit quietly for a while. It's nice to be able to do it both ways and have some variety.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 07:57 PM

6mm06
We think along the same lines. I like to call with my Fox Pro and I like to call at night, but sometimes it's just too darn cold, my bones will just not take it like they used to. Or maybe I am just a little smarter. Or lazy.

That is some good pictures you have with the two yotes. I have a Marlin 22 mag but I figured it was a little weak for yotes but maybe not.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 08:07 PM

Hi Brian
I really like the Radio talk shows but I am never there at the right time to ask questions. Always a day late and a dollar short, that's me.

Jim
Posted by: THEGUIDE

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
I also ordered a driveway sensor that will let me know when anything is near the bait.
Jim


Jim,
My hunting camp is 3 miles back in the woods and I use a Chamberlain Driveway Alarm
http://infiniteelectronix.com/chamberlainrwa300rwirelesspedestrianandvehiclealert.aspx
I have 4 sensors hooked up overlooking the bait pile and the range is great! The reason I have 4 sensors is I bait on a brook in front of my camp and the coyotes run the brook and this just gives me more time to get upstairs and make the shot. The only recommendations are to use NiMH rechargeable batteries they seem to work a lot better in cold weather. They are pricy but work the entire season with just 2 charges. The reason I bait is when the weather is bad I can still snowmobile into my camp and hunt over bait. In the luxery of a warm camp and a cold drink I mite add smile









THIS PHOTO OF A COYOTE APPROACHING THE BAIT WAS TAKEN THROUGH MY GEN3 NIGHT VISION. THE CAMERA DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT IT LOOK LIKE IN REAL-TIME. BY THE WAY THE COYOTE WAS DEAD ABOUT A MINUET AFTER THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN cool

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 08:43 PM

theguide
That is a neat set up you have there. I like it.
The sensor I just ordered will go 400 ft. My bait pile is 75 yds. or 225 ft. should work good.

Thanks for the tip on the batteries, I will get some.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 09:10 PM

Wish I had a Freezer to make Yote Popsickles smile
Posted by: blakeswia

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 09:19 PM

I see I am not the only one who uses bait popsicles, they work great!
Posted by: 243kimber

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 09:41 PM

There is a guy @ snipershide.com that has a great pic of his baiting set up. Try a search. Totally awesome!! Table right by his bed which is a shooting table/night table and has his gun sitting in shooting front & rear rests. All he has to do is open up a window! Very BadA$$!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/06/10 10:05 PM

Now that's what I call comfort and organization !!!

Jim, I don't reach for the .22 magnum when I deliberately go coyote hunting, but a lot of guys do with good success. It worked for me this time at least, but it was a head shot. Dropped like it was pole-axed. Distance was about 75 yards.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 03:26 PM

Brian D.-Your comment about sitting in the cold starring at meat for hours, cracks me up. That is sooo my story, however I can't quite call myself a "Yank". (ha,ha)
Cougar Jim- I'm glad to see your post on baiting. Thank you.
Pretty near all of my predator hunting is done above bait piles. Due to my limited hunting arena, I sparingly use calls in the beginning of the season and then towards the end. I hunt all legal predators, so a bait pile affords me the opportunity to hunt fox, oppossum, raccoon and skunk. This time of year deer scraps are plentiful and my local butcher is more than happy to see me. This year for the first time I have added a revamped walkway light to one of my bait stations. Basically, it is a solor panel walkway or driveway light inwhich I switched out the 2.6 v. battery for a 6v. and attached it to a post about 8-10ft. above the bait. As soon as this relentless wind stops, (3 days straight now) I plan on testing it out. Too often I have had fangs-n-fur show up undetected while waiting . . .according to my game camera.
Posted by: RJM Acres

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: 243kimber
There is a guy @ snipershide.com that has a great pic of his baiting set up. Try a search. Totally awesome!! Table right by his bed which is a shooting table/night table and has his gun sitting in shooting front & rear rests. All he has to do is open up a window! Very BadA$$!


Neighbor has a setup like that.
Scares the crap out of his wife when he pops off a few rounds during the middle of the night.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 05:22 PM

"Neighbor has a setup like that.
Scares the crap out of his wife when he pops off a few rounds during the middle of the night."

My sister was at my house and noticed my "shooting window". She said why is that window screen pushed all the way up - looks to side and sees rifle, bench, rang finder, light, foxpro, etc. - rolls eyes - Ohhh, OK,never mind. It's for coyotes isn't it?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Wish I had a Freezer to make Yote Popsickles smile


Fill up yer bucket and set it outside. A few nights of getting down to 10 above like it has the past few nights and you will have a pop sickle.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 05:31 PM

gobblergetter

I just ordered a drive way sensor off eBay that will transmit up to 400 ft. The sensor is water proof. I won the bid for $12.50 I will let you know how it works. and will post some pictures of my set up. I would like to see some pictures of other guys set up. Some has already posted theirs.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 06:03 PM

If we keep this thread going, we might get a baiting forum?
I like to sit in front of a warm heater and enjoy my favorite sport of hunting when the weather is real bad. baiting is just another challenge that keeps me interested and going.

Jim
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 07:11 PM


Jim, I'm anxious to hear how the driveway sensor works out.

I've got a place on the family farm that's just perfect for setting up a blind or even a small building of some sort. I can easily get a 150 yard shot, and the wind usually always blows in my favor.

When the temps drop, snow flies and the coyotes are hungry, that would be a perfect place to have as a "pouting house" and get away from things for a while and maybe do a bit of coyote sniping.

You are right, we may get a good forum going and learn a lot from what others are doing.

David
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Wish I had a Freezer to make Yote Popsickles smile


Fill up yer bucket and set it outside. A few nights of getting down to 10 above like it has the past few nights and you will have a pop sickle.
That would work if it were not for the Dogs and other vermin knocking it over and making a mess. Good thought anyway! TY grin
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 07:35 PM

David
Keep us posted on your set up. I like to see how others are doing. Sometimes you don't thing of the simplest things until someone else comes up with it.

Jim
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 07:37 PM

Outdoor Life did a two part interview with me regarding baiting that should be out in Jan and Feb this year. I broke out a few unorthodox methods that have been working for me in the last few years. There is much more to baiting than putting out a carcass.It can get down right complicated if you let it.
Brian Downs
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 08:19 PM

One of the things I like to do when using a Popsickle is Before season starts find your area for the bait. Look for easy access and good backstop(In case you miss)Normal wind direction. Also I put a 2"PVC pipe w/cap on one end and put it in the middle of the bucket,Put the meat in around the pipe and pour Boiling water over the meat. This gets the blood&fat flowing and gives a better POPSICKLE. Now let it cool,then put in Freezer. Where I have found where I want to place the bait I drive a Half a Fence post in the ground. Slide the Sickle out of the bucket then slide the PVC over the post.
If its in a new area where you have not baited it may take a day or three for them to find it. You can speed this by putting some old meat/scraps in a onion bag and pulling it behind you on trails away from the Sickle. I remember one time doing that and had a nice Red in an hour and a half. Have fun,Jeff thumbup
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 09:23 PM

Hey Jeff I will have to try that. Thanks. Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 10:33 PM

Here is another bait tip: I save back any deer blood and pour it into empty plasic water bottles then freeze the bottles. If my bait has been out awhile and needs freshening up, I simply thaw out a bottle and pour it over top the bait. It's like adding gravey to the mashed potatoes!
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/07/10 11:27 PM

Great tip gobblergetter. Now that is what I mean about simple idea's. Thanks, Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 12:29 AM

Hey Jim do a search "Hunter alert" it will bring up some pre post on Baiting. you could also search "Baiting" smile
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 11:42 AM


Some really good ideas there.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 12:13 PM

For you guys that don't have enough freezer room for 5 gallon buckets, put your scraps in a gallon size zip-lock bag and add water. If you have trouble getting your frozen bait out of a regular bucket or don't have room for something that big, buy some cheap plastic trash cans. You can find them in sizes smaller than a 5 gallon bucket. The sides are tapered on them so it is easy to get the frozen bait out of them.

One year I was running low on bait and I had a large bag of el-cheapo dog biscuits to I scattered them in a large area around by bait and a couple days later shot a coyote that was there eating the dog biscuits.
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 12:32 PM

Don't forget about the "bait and pitch" calling from a bait source can be great action.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 09:32 PM

Never tried that Brian! Oh Brian I know its a little off topic,but could you post your Video on "Air Skinning Yotes" on here??? Still have never seen it. Thanks Jeff smile
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 10:03 PM

Wallbass45 here is a link to it. using an air compressor to skin coyotes.
http://www.arshunt.com/arshunt/201006#pg14
Posted by: 3807patriot

Re: Baiting - 12/08/10 10:26 PM

I know there isnt a actual recipe or maybe there is but whats in the contents of the coyote popsicle and appx porportions?
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 12:36 AM

Deer scraps,Chicken bones,Squirrel,Rabbit,Hotdogs,Leftovers and so on... I have even been known to go Dumpster diving at the KFC. In fact KFC Sickls have proven to be very good one. Pack it in there close to the top... smile
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 07:36 AM

I made one last night. Spent about 30 mins with a knifge gettin the liTtle bits of meat off the deer carcas before throwin that on the bait pile. Next week when I check the trail cam ill put the popcicle up
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 07:46 AM

I use scrap venison parts for my bait popsicle. I prefer small scrap with no bone so I can pack it in the bucket. Add hot water to allow the blood in the meat to seep into the water. This way even if no meat is evident in the bite the ice still has flavor keeping the predator around. Set it and forget it!! If you have the time baiting each day will produce better results than ice baits. It's just like baiting for bears.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 09:04 AM

Along with calling I run a couple of bait stations, one is a 10 minute drive from my house, that way I can be there right after the evening meal during the week and have an hour to sit. This one has been the most productive so far, 4 coyotes in 5 days.
Posted by: JB55

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 10:29 AM

I also bait from time to time. When I butcher a hog, I don't gut it or cut off it's head. I'll drag the remaining carcass into an open field and leave it close to the edge of the woods but I drove a 5 foot steel rod into the ground and use either 150lb. test wire leader or a thin nylon rope around the neck to anchor the bait so that they can't drag it into the woods. Deer carcass and other larger parts work well also, but you need to anchor it or they will have it into the woods before you see them. I also use the hunter alert so that I can tell when they come to the bait.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 10:49 AM

Also from what I have read sometimes its better to start a bait pile in the woods and then gradually move it out into the open once you get yotes on the bait.

This is what I am trying because nothing touched a deer carcas in the 2 weeks I had it sitting on the field edge. I also mix it up. Bait popcicles and loose guts/carcases. They snag the fresh stuff but then there is always something there when they come by for a snack.
Posted by: madarcher427

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 03:43 PM

I didnt think we were allowed to bait in michigan ?



Originally Posted By: dannyk
Along with calling I run a couple of bait stations, one is a 10 minute drive from my house, that way I can be there right after the evening meal during the week and have an hour to sit. This one has been the most productive so far, 4 coyotes in 5 days.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 03:54 PM

Does anyone know if the popsicles will work for Bobcats?

and what about cat food? will that work?

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/09/10 10:50 PM

ttt
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 01:51 PM

I guess no one has tried baiting for Bobcats!

Jim
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 06:32 PM

Ive seen pics on here from trail cams of bobcats on bait piles. Prolly works best in the dead of winter when everyones real hungry.

Also I am dissapointed at how long my baitcicle is taking to freeze. Its been in the uninsulated shop for 3 days now and the water isnt even frozen yet. Single digit lows for 2 outa the 3 days.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 06:48 PM

I just snap the lid back on the bucket and let it set outside. I had one frozen, put it out 2 days ago and it got up to 54 today. I think it melted a lot quicker than it froze. cursing
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 07:50 PM

Try to keep your baitsycile pops in the shade. this helps prevent fast thawing allowing most to re freeze overnight.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 10:03 PM

Great tip!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 10:19 PM

Except we don't have any evergreens around here so once the leaves are off the trees, shade is hard to find.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 10:47 PM

single digit highs all next week itll be frozen solid and those dogs are gonna be lookin for food here in IL
Posted by: Bax

Re: Baiting - 12/10/10 11:26 PM

This is an interesting topic Cougar Jim,

I hope you dont mind me asking some questions as this is a relatively new idea to me.

When I was young, my dad took me camping on the desert and he shot a bunch of jack rabbits around camp. While we were in bed, the coyotes of the area had a hay-day eating up the dead rabbits. When I got older and interested in coyote hunting, I used that experience to experiment on my own and decided to shoot a jack rabbit, and then dump his guts around my calling area (assuming that would make for a nice appetizing smell), but never got a yote to come into it.

So my questions about baiting are:

1) is this something that you tend to spend a lot of time watching and waiting on, or is there a method that brings them in sooner so you aren't spending hours upon hours watching? (Adding a distress call perhaps?)

2) what do you guys put in your popsicles? Just leftover raw meat, or something else?

On a side note; shortly after I started trying to appeal to the yote's sense of smell, I saw this in a Cabela's catalog
http://www.wildgameinnovations.com/products/predator-pile.html
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/11/10 07:42 AM

Luke,

There is a method I developed a few years back called "Pressure baiting" The whole idea is to condition coyotes to visit the bait within the first few hours after being set. Here is how it works. I first start with a large bait like a baitsicle or a deer carcass. Allow the coyotes to completely finish it without hunting them. Do not tie it down or use any wire. I also refrain from putting out a trail cam, just let them feed. Once the bait is gone, bait the site again with a smaller bait. The smaller bait could be a ribcage or medium size ice bait. Once again let them feed. Continue to put less bait out than the previous set each time. Depending on how many coyotes you have in the area this will create stiff competition for the food source. Coyotes will begin to feel the pressure for food and come in to the site earlier and earlier each set. For this to work you need to bait the site around the same time each day. My average sit over bait last year was an hour and a half.

You can read the whole article on baiting tips here http://www.military.com/entertainment/outdoor-guide/predator/predator-baiting-the-next-level.html

2 waste not want not! Scraps from the deer processor is what I use for baitsicyles
Posted by: Bax

Re: Baiting - 12/11/10 03:16 PM

Thanks for the info Brian!

I dont know if this is a common practice here in Utah (havent heard anyone mention it before). So this thread piqued my interest because it really made sense with the concept that was being presented.

Obviously this wouldnt be a method for someone who has limited time to access his intended location to hunt, but would be beneficial for someone who has quicker access to a location to hunt than someone who has to drive a few hours each time to reach it.

The concept of using less and less food was a very intriguing point that I would not have considered unless pointed out.

What is the turnaround time you expect on using this method before you would generally begin hunting it?

Also, is this method generally more effective during colder months, or is it something that could be used year round?

Thanks again Brian smile
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/11/10 03:37 PM



It all depends on the time your willing to sit over the bait. On an ordinary site I will let them feed for three days before hunting it. You may sit from four in the afternoon to midnight before you see a coyote. When pressure baiting the wait to sit depends on how fast they finish the bait. Five days is the norm for pressure baiting for me. It can work year round if you use a non perishable bait source. Like dry dog food with bacon fat. Although warm weather baiting is not nearly as effective in my area. I have found the best time to bait is Jan,Feb and March. The temps are cold they are breeding and food is scarce in my area. These three things make this time of year explode with activity. I see coyotes on average 8 out of 10 stands during these months. I harvest about half that if I'm shooting straight rolleyes .
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/11/10 03:45 PM


This is a very interesting topic.

Brian, did you write an article in Predator XTreme about pressure baiting? I remember reading an article and somehow I think you were the author of that.
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/11/10 06:09 PM

Andrew Lewand wrote that article about me and my methods. That was before I began writing for Predator Xtreme. I am a bit of a fanatic when it comes to baiting and have tried things that would make you both laugh and cringe LOL.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 01:20 AM

Great Write up Brian! Love to hear more smile
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 05:45 PM

carcas and gut pile are doing no good i guess. only thing I get pictures of are crows, hawks, and 6-8 point bucks sniffing the internals of one of their own. bait bucket should be froze up hopefully thatll help get some yotes in next week.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 06:32 PM

Jeff,
Sometimes they will hit a bait the first night out and sometimes it takes them a week or two to find and accept it. We are just coming out of a 4 day firearms season and muzzle loader season again this weekend. I don't think the muzzle loader guys saw much around here this weekend but I am sure the 4 days of shotgun season left plenty for the coyotes to feed on.

Right now I have bait out in 3 places and none of it is getting hit except for stray dogs and one skunk that I know of. We are in for a few days of really cold weather and we also got some snow here today. As soon as the weather brakes they will be out looking for something to eat and with the snow cover and frozen ground, field mice and rabbits are going to be harder to find.

I pulled a camera this morning because I thought the IR wasn't working right on it. By the time I got it checked out the temp. had dropped and the wind was blowing about 40mph so I didn't get it put back out.

If it gets frozen so much that they can't get to your meat, scatter a bag of cheap dog treat bones to keep them coming to your bait area.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 06:40 PM

Hang in there Jeff the yotes just have to find it.
I am trying some cat food to see if I can get a Bobcat to come in.
I have put out cat food for the last three nights but I have not been watching it,but every morning it is picked clean. I think I will watch tonight to see what is eating it.
I haven't got my sensor yet. When I get it That will make it a lot easyer to keep track of the hoodoo theys eating my cat food.

Jim
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 08:16 PM

yeah I have some fresh deer meat that i forgot about in the fridge that is no good so I am going to put a big chunk of that out for them and a fresh baitcicle when the weather breaks.

Once I get them eating then ill do some sitting. no sense in freezing my baguettes off if they arent coming in yet.


this weather is brutal though. Id have to be near starving to be outside in it.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 08:56 PM

Pardon me for butting in, but I have a question.

My parents had an extra fridge in the garage and the freezer side went out and they didn't notice it until it was too late. Lost a LOT of deer meat, along with beef and some other meats tossed in there too. It sucks, but it's no ones fault. If you don't know it went out, you don't know it went out.

I went over there tonight and got it all and I have 2 5-gallon buckets level full. I want to use it for bait.

I live on a pretty good sized farm and I usually leave the deer carcasses out for the coyotes. They are usually picked clean the second night. One time I wanted to see if they would come close to the house so I left a carcass about 100 yards away and they did come up and get it and drag it off.

I guess my question is should I dump both buckets on the ground and just hope for the best or part it out just a little each night? Temps are hovering around freezing so they might start stinking a little in a day or two.

If I dump them tonight I can't shoot anything till midnight because we can't hunt on Sundays and I'm not staying up super late tonight because I might deer hunt in the morning.

Any ideas or suggestions? If it helps, it's been a couple weeks since our deer rifle season and it's been bow only. Muzzleloader just opened again Saturday and will continue till around the first. So it's probably been a couple weeks since they've eaten really good on gut piles.

Thanks!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 09:08 PM

I wouldn't put it all out at once. Maybe half a bucket at a time. Dump it out during the day so the scent from your tracks has some time to diminish. I have good luck hauling it in on the 4 wheeler and not even get off of it, just dump it and drive on through.
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 09:10 PM

I like to establish baits before hunting them. But if time is an issue get on it.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 09:11 PM

yeah if you cant freeze it into the bait popsicle id do about the size of a gut pile at a time.

I made the mistake of taking a ton of meat out at once and it was all gone the 2nd night and i never got to hunt over it.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 09:16 PM

Well I can dump it in the field anywhere betwen 50 and 250 yards from the house and hunt in the heat, lol. My light only shines really good to about 150 yards though. Unless I break out the big, bad white spotlight, that sucker will shine for a long ways, but I don't want to spook them off. On the other side of the farm is a smaller sized subdivision and I have to make 100% sure it's not someone's dog.

I think I can stretch it out and maybe make it last 4 days as long as it doesn't get too warm. I hope that's enough time to establish it as a bait pile. We'll see.

Thanks guys.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Hang in there Jeff the yotes just have to find it.
I am trying some cat food to see if I can get a Bobcat to come in.
I have put out cat food for the last three nights but I have not been watching it,but every morning it is picked clean. I think I will watch tonight to see what is eating it.
I haven't got my sensor yet. When I get it That will make it a lot easyer to keep track of the hoodoo theys eating my cat food.

Jim
Put a Trail cam on it Jim. That will also give you an Idea what time the are eating. smile
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 10:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeff V
yeah I have some fresh deer meat that i forgot about in the fridge that is no good so I am going to put a big chunk of that out for them and a fresh baitcicle when the weather breaks.

Once I get them eating then ill do some sitting. no sense in freezing my baguettes off if they arent coming in yet.


this weather is brutal though. Id have to be near starving to be outside in it.
Yes,But this would be a great time to put it out! thumbup
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 10:56 PM

Originally Posted By: hsracer201
Pardon me for butting in, but I have a question.

My parents had an extra fridge in the garage and the freezer side went out and they didn't notice it until it was too late. Lost a LOT of deer meat, along with beef and some other meats tossed in there too. It sucks, but it's no ones fault. If you don't know it went out, you don't know it went out.

I went over there tonight and got it all and I have 2 5-gallon buckets level full. I want to use it for bait.

I live on a pretty good sized farm and I usually leave the deer carcasses out for the coyotes. They are usually picked clean the second night. One time I wanted to see if they would come close to the house so I left a carcass about 100 yards away and they did come up and get it and drag it off.

I guess my question is should I dump both buckets on the ground and just hope for the best or part it out just a little each night? Temps are hovering around freezing so they might start stinking a little in a day or two.

If I dump them tonight I can't shoot anything till midnight because we can't hunt on Sundays and I'm not staying up super late tonight because I might deer hunt in the morning.

Any ideas or suggestions? If it helps, it's been a couple weeks since our deer rifle season and it's been bow only. Muzzleloader just opened again Saturday and will continue till around the first. So it's probably been a couple weeks since they've eaten really good on gut piles.

Thanks!
I would make Yotepops out of it you might get three pops,then put one out and save the other for rebateing grin
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/12/10 11:54 PM

I took the largest roast out there and laid it down. I'm pretty sure nothing will find it tonight but I might be suprsied.

I will try to split the rest up evenly over the next few nights and try to get lucky.

Reckon I should do any type of calling at all or just be quiet each night and sit and wait?
Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 07:59 AM

Calling will work it just depends on your patience
Good Luck
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 11:06 AM

deer season is over here in the nek, so baiting for coyotes is now my priority. i just went to the local deer processor and obtained about 200 gallons of deer renderings and some caribou and deer hides. the renderings are now in various buckets and tubs filled with hot water waiting for the weather to turn cold again so they will freeze.the hides have worked well in the past, i have shot several coyotes as they chew and drag the frozen hides around.
i have used beef, moose and poultry, but i have found that coyotes do not like pork-pigs. they will feed on the guts, but will not return to the emptied carcass, even the renderings do not keep them coming back.i have also used calves that died on a neighboring farm, but the results are not as good as the deer parts and hides. when the weather turns really cold they will come. good luck to all, lets keep sharing our baiting info and results posted, thanks for your time.i love this site.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 01:33 PM

Put a Trail cam on it Jim. That will also give you an Idea what time the are eating. smile

Yeah I have a trail Cam I am going to put out, just haven't gotten around to it yet. I am still working on my blind and lights. I finally got my XLR 250 kill light. Man is this thing a powerful red led light. I found that if I put it under the barrel there is no glare in the scope.

Jim
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 01:41 PM

Be careful of it wrecking your accuracy. Things on the barrel will screw with your accuracy, sometimes not bad, sometimes a lot. Just saying...

Something took the bait I put out last night betwen 8 something this morning and lunch time. It was there when I left for work and gone when I came in for lunch. (I live pretty close to work so I can come home on break) It was a really large roast I had cut out for Christmas time, so I know it took something with a little bit of size to it to drag it off. I don't think a hawk could have flown off with it. I need a trail camera...
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 04:12 PM

I tried my light in different position mounted on the scope and under the barrel and I can see better with it under the gun. I put the clamp as close as I could to the end of the forend and wrapped a layer of tape around the barrel to help keep it from getting scratched. I checked my groups after mounting it and it didn't affect the accuracy or point of impact out to 200 yards. The gun I have it on is not my primary calling gun so it won't get used much past 100 yards anyway.

hsracer201, it sounds like you might have a stray dog around there. If you have your bait there by your house, put a ding-donger on it so you will know when something hits it during the night.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 07:14 PM

I don't believe it will affect accuracy if you don't over tighten it.

Jim
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 09:25 PM



thats all i got on my camera, about 4 pictures of this guy and a 6 pointer sniffin the carcas
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
I don't believe it will affect accuracy if you don't over tighten it.

Jim


Sir, if you are at all familiar with barrel harmonics you will know that ANY influence on a barrel can cause accuracy problems. That's why folks free float barrels. A barrel oscilates as a round travels down the pipe. Anything that affects this movement by slowing it down or throwing it off balance can shift your POI.

I'm not saying it WILL wreck your groups, but there is chance that it can. It's always good to check and see. That's all.

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress


hsracer201, it sounds like you might have a stray dog around there. If you have your bait there by your house, put a ding-donger on it so you will know when something hits it during the night.


Possibly. I haven't seen any stray dogs around and I'm in and out several times a day and I hunted here a LOT during deer season. I've never seen a stray and none of my close neighbors even have a loose dog. Not to say it couldn't happen at all, but I do hear the coyotes at night and during deer season they drag off the deer caracasses really quickly. I saw them doing it one night in my headlights. They are here.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/13/10 10:23 PM

Well I found out tonight what is hitting my bait every night.
I finally got my sensor and put it up today and it went off while I was eating dinner.
When I went out to my blind and put the red led light on the bait, there was 3 Fox running all around the bait.
I didn't shoot one because I want a Bobcat. I had the cross hairs on one at 63 yds but I didn't shoot.
I didn't feel like skinning a fox tonight, besides Fox pelts is not worth it.

Jim
Posted by: Omnivore

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 12:59 AM

I didn't know you could bait in Oregon....Can you?
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By: hsracer201
Be careful of it wrecking your accuracy. Things on the barrel will screw with your accuracy, sometimes not bad, sometimes a lot. Just saying...

Something took the bait I put out last night betwen 8 something this morning and lunch time. It was there when I left for work and gone when I came in for lunch. (I live pretty close to work so I can come home on break) It was a really large roast I had cut out for Christmas time, so I know it took something with a little bit of size to it to drag it off. I don't think a hawk could have flown off with it. I need a trail camera...

Gets your juices flowin dont it "Whats out there" ohmy
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 01:27 AM

You can bait for coyotes but you can not use game meat as far as I know. I read all the regs when I got my fer takers hunting licens and Bobcat tags. there is no regs for coyotes, open all year and no bag limit.

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 03:04 AM

What is the milk crate for? Anything foreign like that will make a coyote that much more hesitant to come in.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 08:04 AM

Yeah we ditched that. There was a gut pile under it when it was warmer so they couldn't just walk off with it we had a bunch of the guts hangin out of it. Coons picked that clean and I started thinkin the same thing so we took it outa there.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 09:59 PM

Went out tonight and it was snowing. Couldn't see through the scope, just two eyes at the bait. Suppose to snow all night. Maybe tomorrow.

Jim
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 10:27 PM

Well something took my bait again.

So, I went out tonight and bought a trail camera and set it up on top of fresh bait. Hopefully I can see what's doing it.

I also got a piece of chain and a ground stake for securing a meatsicle. If I can't get it in a tree I will stake it to the ground.

Went to Lowes looking for a motion sensored wireless driveway monitor but they didn't have any. Might just have to order one from online.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Well I found out tonight what is hitting my bait every night.
I finally got my sensor and put it up today and it went off while I was eating dinner.
When I went out to my blind and put the red led light on the bait, there was 3 Fox running all around the bait.
I didn't shoot one because I want a Bobcat. I had the cross hairs on one at 63 yds but I didn't shoot.
I didn't feel like skinning a fox tonight, besides Fox pelts is not worth it.

Jim

Jim- Just wondering where they reds or greys?
Posted by: Omnivore

Re: Baiting - 12/14/10 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
You can bait for coyotes but you can not use game meat as far as I know. I read all the regs when I got my fer takers hunting licens and Bobcat tags. there is no regs for coyotes, open all year and no bag limit.

Jim


Thanks Jim, I guess that will make things a bit easier. The lack of info in this state for yotes always is a head scratcher for me. Baiting calling should be a great combo. I would imagine a varmit/rabbit/rodent squeel would work good in combo with the smell of meat.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 12:00 AM

Originally Posted By: hsracer201
Well something took my bait again.

So, I went out tonight and bought a trail camera and set it up on top of fresh bait. Hopefully I can see what's doing it.

I also got a piece of chain and a ground stake for securing a meatsicle. If I can't get it in a tree I will stake it to the ground.

Went to Lowes looking for a motion sensored wireless driveway monitor but they didn't have any. Might just have to order one from online.
www.Hunteralert.com Good Luck! smile
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45


Ordered. grin

Thanks.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 11:33 AM


Jim- Just wondering where they reds or greys?

I beleive they were reds.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 07:13 PM

Ahh Reds,I love um! How far away from your bait is your Hide??
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Ahh Reds,I love um! How far away from your bait is your Hide??


63 yds.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 07:55 PM

JIM,I would put a trail cam on it,makes for some great pics
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 09:30 PM

I put my trail cam up yesterday and it seems it is a piece of junk, a timber view by Wildgame. I bought it last year and have never used it until now. The warranty is up now, I guess it would pay to try anything out as soon as you buy it.
I just ordered a new one from Cabela's. A Primos TruthCam 60 Trail Camera. $179.99, Has the best review of any trail camera on the market, even the $500.00 ones.

Jim

Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 10:11 PM

To bad its junk! I bought a Bushnell Trophy cam in the spring that is very impressive on Video shots. Heard alot about that cam you ordered with Great reviews. Set it about 20' from your bait. waiting for Pics!
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/15/10 11:18 PM

the cam that took the pic i posted of the hawk was a $100 cam by wildgame, came with batteries and a sd card too. its been impressive to say the least.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/16/10 01:38 AM

It was a very Clear Pic of that Hawk!
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/16/10 11:13 AM

I bought a cheap [beeep] tasco trail cam at Walmart the other night for $50.

It snaps great photos! I got one awesome picture of a vulture with it's wings fully stretched out taking up the whole picture.

I'd post it but it's got my house in the picture, don't wanna do that.
Posted by: 78CJ

Re: Baiting - 12/16/10 11:46 AM

[quote=madarcher427]I didnt think we were allowed to bait in michigan ?


Where did you get your information, according to page 19 of the 2010 Hunting Regulations under "Bait" it is perfectly legal.

Ryan
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/16/10 10:37 PM







well i thought my buddy took the basket out of there but i guess not. I took it out of there tonight when I changed the card out. looks like they finally found it and there is a nice bait bucket sitting out there now.

as you can see the yote drug the carcas out of there. I found it 60 feet away or so. I drug it back dumped the innards from the deer on top of it, and dumped the blood/bait bucket all over the top of it. Something oughta hit it here soon.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/16/10 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
I put my trail cam up yesterday and it seems it is a piece of junk, a timber view by Wildgame. I bought it last year and have never used it until now. The warranty is up now, I guess it would pay to try anything out as soon as you buy it.
I just ordered a new one from Cabela's. A Primos TruthCam 60 Trail Camera. $179.99, Has the best review of any trail camera on the market, even the $500.00 ones.

Jim


Jim- I bought the same camera this fall: Primos Truth 60. I ran it a couple of days to a week and then it just shut down. Nothing. Changed out the batteries . . still nothing. I called Primos and they told me to send the camera back to them and they would replace it. This they did. thumbup1 Have had the camera up for a week now, so far so good. The Primos seems to suck up battery juice alot faster than my Stealth Cam game camera, which has been a really good camera. Let me know what you think about your new TruthCam when you get it all set up and running.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/16/10 11:22 PM

Jeff- Well now we know. Looks like you have a date at about quarter to 7 one evening. Those pictures are really sharp - day and night.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 12:06 AM

Jeff,
You have some good pictures there!

You guys notice this baiting thread has had 2311 hits in 10 days? Someone said there is no interest in baiting.

The alarm on one of my baits went off earlier tonight. I lit it up and it was just some deer.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 12:39 AM

WTG Guys! Keep it up you will get them. Jeff: I would be there around 6 Good Luck smile
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 05:51 AM

Nice picture Jeff. I hope you get him!
Posted by: coyote killa

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 06:10 AM

I think a baiting sub forum is a great idea. This is the 1st thread I've seen about baiting since joining this site and I've learned quite a bit reading through this thread. Here in PA bait is allowed and I've been wondering about it, great tips, photos and stories guys.
Posted by: 78CJ

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 06:58 AM

I for one have been lurking for some time and am really enjoying the tips in this thread.

Ryan
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 08:41 AM

Checked two of my baits yesterday, ravens and one red squirrel is all, absolutly no coyote or fox tracks at either one. Some of the people I have talked to have said the same thing, not even hearing any being vocal.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 09:15 AM

Had this little guy show up on camera a couple of times just before our snow. Going to check game cams today to see if anything was moving about, though tracks will tell me that. I hunted one pile last night for 2 hrs. and not a critter was stirring, not even a . . . well, you know the rest! By the way this is a short video clip
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 12:08 PM

I still have 3 to 4 fox hitting my cat food bait every night. As soon as My Trail cam gets here I will post some pictures.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 11:21 PM

Originally Posted By: dannyk
Checked two of my baits yesterday, ravens and one red squirrel is all, absolutly no coyote or fox tracks at either one. Some of the people I have talked to have said the same thing, not even hearing any being vocal.
Give it time "They will come" smile
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 11:53 PM

I had a skunk on my bait tonight, then it started to snow so hard I couldn't see through my scope. Maybe tomorrow.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/17/10 11:58 PM

Nice Clip Gobblergetter,is that with IR? smile
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 12:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Nice Clip Gobblergetter,is that with IR? smile

Yes, IR. If I get any descent vids on the Truth Cam, I'll post some tomorrow.
That fox came into the bait tonight around 11:30. I had the x-hairs on it, pulled the trigger and "click"-a misfire. All I could do was sit and watch it walk around the field. Maybe tomorrow night I'll have better luck.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 03:47 PM

Had a fresh snow last night and this morning found coyote tracks all over my bait station, but no Bobcat yet.

Jim
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 05:50 PM

http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk128/scrogginhood/?action=view&current=001-1.mp4

link to the bait site...kinda neat..snow flyin'. 'yote comes from the right site...
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 05:52 PM

http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk128/scrogginhood/?action=view&current=002-2.mp4

Also, Nice Red comes in to feast....
Posted by: justshoot

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 07:01 PM

I found a dead buck, less his head gear, deep in. The rump roast has been eaten on, watch over it from around 150 yds, for two days. Wee hours in the mornings until 11 am and from 4 pm until 8 pm. Too much moonlight and I'm pooped!
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx


Hey wepaonx
Nice video of the red.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 07:33 PM

I have a question. There is a skunk coming to my bait, If I shoot him and he sprays the bait site, will that keep the predators away? Or just the fact that the skunk is there, will that keep them away?

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 08:03 PM

I don't think the skunk is going to bother the predators any. I would rather have him visit and leave in a couple of minutes than shoot him and have the stink stay for a long time. I had one come into my bait the other night and I let him go. He didn't stick around very long.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/18/10 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
I don't think the skunk is going to bother the predators any. I would rather have him visit and leave in a couple of minutes than shoot him and have the stink stay for a long time. I had one come into my bait the other night and I let him go. He didn't stick around very long.


Thanks Jackindistress, I almost shot him last night but it started snowing really hard just before I pulled the trigger,then I couldn't see him. Glad I didn't.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 02:15 AM

Great Vids Weaponx! thumbup How high off the ground is your cam ??
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 05:44 AM

That is a Wildgame Innovations X6c. Set on 30 second vid mode. Has the external Battery pack so it will shoot for months. It is set 6 feet off the ground.



Also, there is a Dakota Alert(driveway doorbell),hung up with it. Works well..Yes they cost $170 pesos..but I needed the 2 mile range. It has the remote receiver with it. So I can take it with me anywhere.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
I have a question. There is a skunk coming to my bait, If I shoot him and he sprays the bait site, will that keep the predators away? Or just the fact that the skunk is there, will that keep them away?

Jim


Jim- I shoot every one that comes in and yeah, it stinks the site up but with snows and rain will weaken the odor. One night I shot a skunk on bait and it wasn't maybe 30 min. there were fox in right after. Shoot a skunk and save a nest of turkey eggs! A predator is a predator.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 06:24 PM

Here is a video of 2 reds from the Truth Cam 60 on the 2nd of 5 bait stations.

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 08:32 PM

Here is some pictures of my shooting station.
This is my shooting window. The fence is my property line. I have millions of acres to hunt on from there, It belongs to US timber lands.no permit required.There is nothing but wilderness for 20 miles.

This is the view I have from my shooting station. bait pile is 63 yds straight ahead.

This is inside my shooting station. I have an electric and a propane heater to keep warm.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 08:44 PM

that is a nice hut. I think im going to build one on top of the hay rack I night hunt off of. get a little mr. heater and sit and wait
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 09:12 PM

That's the way to go Jeff. I have a driveway sensor on my bait pile. I just sit and watch TV in the house until the buzzer goes off then run out and see what's there. I am waiting on a Bobcat.

Jim
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 09:14 PM

yeah I wish I could do that but where I have my bait pile I need to drive, its like 5 miles from my house. So ill just be sitting and waiting in the blind.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 09:53 PM

Nice set up there Jim, especially the heating system! I'm guessing the window slides open and then "BAM" on that bobcat your waiting on.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/19/10 09:57 PM

Yeah I ordered that window off the Internet.It is a sliding window for a hunting blind. Neat window and very quite.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 12:23 AM

Nice Vid Gobblergetter! I love Reds smile
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 12:29 AM

I like your Blind there Jim. Cant wait to see some Pics. smile
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 12:40 AM

Cool vid! I see a Red fox hat in your future.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 11:43 AM

More hawks and crows. I'm not even gettin coons on the bait pile. Yote tracks everywhere when I was pheasant hunting yesterday though.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 03:34 PM

Didn't get anything on my bait last night, not even a Skunk. I've got a popsicle out now with sardines,mackerel,
and other table scraps in it.

Maybe the full moon has something to do with it?

Jim
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 04:33 PM

I think the [beeep] rooster pheasant that they got had something to do with not wanting my frozen meat. Nothing hurts more than knowing a coyote can get a rooster but me another guy a dog and 2 shotguns couldn't haha
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeff V
I think the [beeep] rooster pheasant that they got had something to do with not wanting my frozen meat. Nothing hurts more than knowing a coyote can get a rooster but me another guy a dog and 2 shotguns couldn't haha


I was drinking a coke and almost spit it out on my screen. That's funny Jeff.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 05:01 PM

Jeff I was reading your signature,I know what you mean. With all the ammo and black powder I have, If my house caught on fire, I would run like [beeep],cause you ain't never seen no fireworks like you are going to see.

Jim
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 07:56 PM

Hey Jim,

My new hunting spot is not as elaborate as yours or as THEGUIDE'S, but it will work.

This one is set up on the family farm. Cattle destroyed a brand new blind recently, so I had to do a bit of fencing to keep them out. The briar patch behind the blind acts as a backing, so I fenced the front part. I Purchased a new blind, an Ameristep Doghouse which is plenty big enough.

Hopefully this will produce before the winter is over. Shots can be close to 200 yards at the furthest end of the field.

I have called and taken a bobcat, fox and coyote from the briar patch in past years. There are also fox in the area and some fresh tracks in the snow, but can't shoot them over bait, only coyotes.

Thought I would show you my new hunting spot.

David













Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 09:45 PM

David
I have a blind just like that one. They can be pretty cosy with a Buddy heater. Your area looks good.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/20/10 11:07 PM

I like your Blind and area David,Hope to see some Pics off it. smile
Posted by: Three 44s

Re: Baiting - 12/21/10 11:26 AM

6mm06,

I like your blind setup.

I hunt on our own ranch and would have the same cattle issues if I owned a blind ..... (and I've been contemplating it).

I don't know if you can drop your fence to some extent or if you luck is like mine but every time I look trough a scope ... there's a barbed wire between me and some varmint ... usually a gray digger .....

In case you don't have way to drop your wires easily .... there is an easy way to do it.

Basically, you take two staples and turn them 90 degrees to the wire at it's location ... one above where you want the wire to fasten to the post and the other below. Drive them in to the point where you have room for the wire to sit between them ..... and then place a nail in as a "pin" to hold the wire in place ... when you want to use the blind ... you just pull the nails and do whatever else you need to with the wires to get them below the line of fire (weight them down etc.).

This technique is used by ranchers with elk tearing down fences and they'll treat their top wires this way for winter.

Enjoy

Three 44s
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/21/10 02:02 PM

Three44s,

Thanks for the information. That is interesting and good to know.

Actually, the blind is on a hillside, so the wire is not in the way at all. It may look that way in the photo. When I'm sitting in the blind, I can see the top of one post, but it isn't in the way of any potential shots, so it worked out pretty good.

Back in the summer my son took the tractor with a backhoe and dug the hillside a bit to level up a place for a blind. The blind is relatively level, and the fence is beneath my shooting lanes.

This has been a good area for shooting over a period of time. Here is a photo of the view from the blind area, and notes on where I have taken various animals and crows. Before setting up the blind, I would sit in front of the briar patch, having it as a background.






Posted by: Three 44s

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 12:08 AM

Geeze 6mm06,

With all that action ....... are you sure you don't need some help ....... ??

LOL!

Best regards

Three 44s
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 12:23 AM


He he. Yea, you are welcome to come sit in the blind with me, Three 44s. You be the shooter and I'll be the camera man.

Only problem is, all those critters were taken over a period of a few years. Would be good if it were in one season.

I'll be sitting quite a bit and drinking a lot of coffee probably. Predators, especially coyotes, don't come easy here.

My dad had previously wanted to cut down that briar patch. I said "no way, that's my hunting spot," so the briar patch remains.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 01:07 AM

Now your makeing me homesick David! Its Beutiful,never change it.. smile
Posted by: 78CJ

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 07:12 AM

Have any of you guys made Baitsicles out of a gut pile. I shot a doe last night and happen to have a 5 gallon pail in the back of the truck so I scooped up the gutpile, just about fills the pail.

I plan on using what is left of the carcass and any others I can get my hands on to set up a bait site. Once it is cleaned out (without hunting over it) I plan on using baitsicles.

Thanks

Ryan
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 02:12 PM

Sounds like a good plan Ryan. Let us know how things go with some pictures.
I believe the gut sickle will work.

Jim
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 03:57 PM

I did it works just the same as the meat scraps. the main purpose of freezing it in a bucket is making it so they cant just pick it up and run away with it. Those suckers are kinda heavy once they are frozen.
Posted by: 78CJ

Re: Baiting - 12/22/10 08:25 PM

Good to hear, I just got done watering mine and while I was in the shed a buddy called and asked me if I wanted the bucket of guts he just grabbed from the doe he helped a buddy with tonight.
Our hunting camp is going to be the perfect spot for a couple of baits, we have a major coyote problem and our deer #s are way down. Just gotta wait now.........

Deer carcasses are not going to be much of a problem for bait......I work for the Road Commission.

Ryan
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/23/10 03:20 PM

YES>>>>

my bait pile got tore up, what appears to be 3 different yotes hit it 3 days in a row. Pics will come as soon as my buddy uploads them.

They ate almost a whole gut pile, 3/4 of a bait bucket, and stripped the bones clean on a dear carcas. day time and night time there was no real pattern to them coming through and hitting it.

Going to drop off another baitcicle this afternoon. Then i have to start thinking of how I am going to get more meat for bait. Very few road killed deer this year.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/23/10 03:26 PM

the first thing they are dragging off is the gutsicle. second is the carcas, 3rd is the baitcicle made with deer meat.









My next baitcicle is more deer meat, mixed with pheasant guts/scraps
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 12/23/10 03:28 PM





Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/23/10 04:09 PM

Male w\female laying it down. These guy's are mos 'def on the Hit list....I have taken great measure, to make them feel at home. Maybe this Holiday weekend we'll have a party!


A "Brush Mutt Makeover" party.....

I'll invite a taxidermist friend of mine. He's good at makeover's........30 sec vid(click)


Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/23/10 05:13 PM

Hey guys, I really appreciate all the comments and pictures on this thread. I have learned a lot.
Maybe we will not get a forum on baiting but maybe we can at least get a sticky out of it.
Sticky,Sticky,Sticky.

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 02:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeff V
YES>>>>

my bait pile got tore up, what appears to be 3 different yotes hit it 3 days in a row. Pics will come as soon as my buddy uploads them.

They ate almost a whole gut pile, 3/4 of a bait bucket, and stripped the bones clean on a dear carcas. day time and night time there was no real pattern to them coming through and hitting it.

Going to drop off another baitcicle this afternoon. Then i have to start thinking of how I am going to get more meat for bait. Very few road killed deer this year.
Try the Butcher for Deer Trimings and Beef Trimings. Also before you Freaze it put a 2" PVC Pipe 20"Long W/Cap in the Middle of the meat and slip it onto a Half a metal fence post. It will stay there. smile thumbup
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Hey guys, I really appreciate all the comments and pictures on this thread. I have learned a lot.
Maybe we will not get a forum on baiting but maybe we can at least get a sticky out of it.
Sticky,Sticky,Sticky.

Jim
I agree,MR Moderator please make this a Sticky! thumbup
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 10:51 AM

Jeff,
You got some good pictures there bud.

Sure would be nice to have a baiting sub forum or at least a sticky.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 11:34 AM

Yeah, a sub-forum would be GREAT! Mr. Moderator how about a little Christmas spirit for those of us interested in baiting? wink
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 11:49 AM

You guys have posted some super pics. and video. This huge coon showed up at one of my bait stations late last nite. Video(click on)

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 03:13 PM

The battle of the Skunk and the Fox.

Fox being very cautious.

The battle of the skunk and the Fox.

Fox sneaking a bite but very careful.



Jim

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 05:03 PM

Jim- The truth cam seems to be working good for you. Surprised to see that fox get so close to the skunk.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 08:12 PM

Great Pics Jim!
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/24/10 08:37 PM

Thanks gyes, I had to set the cam on high sensitivity to pick up small animals. On low it would not pick up anything except Deer and me. HA HA

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/25/10 12:19 AM

Hey Jim Switch your cam to Video and lets see how that looks....Jeff smile
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/25/10 09:48 AM

Yea Jim..Turn that to vid mode. I was going to purchase a Truthcam 60. But mine is working fine. But I do want to see Primos vid capability......



Newest Future victim at my house. This guy woke me up twice last night. I was just too tired to get out of bed to go shoot him. Sad 'aint it??? Work wears you down soo much, you can't get out of bed....


Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/25/10 10:06 AM

weaponx- the video a couple of posts back of the coon was taken by the Primos Truth Cam 60.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/25/10 10:28 AM

Thanks Brother. I did not know that. It works really good then. I was curious about Primos vid quality.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/25/10 05:22 PM

Well last night I had two skunks and two fox on my bait,at the same time.
I turned my Truth 60 cam to Video today, so we will see what happens.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/26/10 06:59 PM

My first videos with the Truth Cam 60 was too grainy, So I upped the res to 60 leds. Maybe that will be better. How do you guys run yours? High or low Res?

Jim
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/26/10 11:27 PM

I run my Bushnell on Hight at 5MP smile
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/26/10 11:50 PM

A real man never runs anything new on low for the first time! We turn it to 11. Just to see what will happen...

come on Jim, your slippin'.....Lol
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 01:07 AM

HaHaHa LOL! Give it time its a new Cam. smile
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 11:31 AM

I got another one off one of my bait sites last night. She came in and grabbed a chunk of meat and took off with it but stopped to look back when I lit her up with the XLR250. 50 grain V-max out of the .223 dropped her DRT.





My alarm went off a couple nights ago and when I lit up the bait there was nothing there so since there was fresh snow on I decided to walk out and check the area to see what had triggered it. There was a pair of Coyote tracks where they had came past the bait and did a quick look but didn't stop to eat. It has been so cold that most of it is frozen solid and all there was left was big pieces. I have some bait icicles frozen but have been saving them for another spot, so yesterday morning I chopped up some smaller pieces that they could eat easier frozen and put them out.

That one makes it number 3 from that bait this month.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 11:42 AM

Here is one of my shooting shacks at my cow pasture bait site.



This one is looking back towards the shack from the bait. Something has been taking bait at this site but I haven't been able to catch anything there so I set up a trail camera on it yesterday.



Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 11:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
My first videos with the Truth Cam 60 was too grainy, So I upped the res to 60 leds. Maybe that will be better. How do you guys run yours? High or low Res?

Jim

I run mine on high . . . eats up the battery more and uses more space on the SD card but your vids come out looking pretty good, I think.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 11:55 AM

Jackindistress- Congrats on that nice looking yote. What is the distance from your shooting hut to the bait?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 12:25 PM

I have my baits out about 100 yards. The little female in the picture above was 108 yards (by rangefinder) to where I shot her.
Posted by: yotehunter57

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:01 PM

I just put out a whole deer, less the head, to see if I can get any to come in. A friend shot a good buck a couple weeks ago and never found it. He told me how good the shot was and where the deer went down, but when he got across the creek it was gone. I told him it wasn't hit as good as he thought.
Well yesterday evening a buck came by and he shot it right, double lung, it went about 100 yards and stopped. Well panic set in and he shot it in the azz while standing there. Off it went again and again no luck finding him. So this morning he started looking for him and eventually found him with no blood trail even after the 7mm mag through the lungs.
We found where he hit him before and he was dying on his feet. Any where you drug the deer, there was a solid trail of hair and he smelled really really bad. The hair was coming off like it was a week old hide that had been laying out in the weather.
It was a shame because it was a big 9 point with lots of mass all the way out.
He kept the head for a euro mount and gave me the body for bait.

Shayne
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:06 PM

Well I had the Truth cam 60 on high sensing and 60 leds.
Not one video but moor tracks than I have ever seen around my bait. What the he#l? Maybe my batteries is weak already?
But when I changed the card this morning it shot a video of me?

Jim
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:22 PM

thats why the indians called them prairie ghosts....

jj...hope you get it fixed...
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Well I had the Truth cam 60 on high sensing and 60 leds.
Not one video but moor tracks than I have ever seen around my bait. What the he#l? Maybe my batteries is weak already?
But when I changed the card this morning it shot a video of me?

Jim

Jim- Mine did that earlier in the week, but it was my SD card that went bad. The screen inside should be telling you how much % is left on your batteries. Hmmm . . . I don't know?
Posted by: DVXDUDE

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:34 PM

Excellent thread guys. I've just started baiting coyotes here since last year I seen the amount of coyotes that killing deer behind my house last winter. They are back in full force again this year, found one fawn dead so far. Its not legal to night hunt here (some of you guys set ups are AWESOME!) but they always come right at dark and random times during the day. I'm going to try the "Pressure Baiting" technique and see how it goes.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:46 PM

DVXDUDE
Let us know how the pressure baiting goes.

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:46 PM

Jim,
One of my cameras has a setting option on video to only shoot video in daylight. I don't know if yours has that but might be something to check since it worked this morning. One of mine didn't go off the other morning when I checked it and I thought something was wrong with it so I brought it in and checked it. Seemed to be working OK after I got to the house with it so I put it back out and it had pictures on it this morning. It was about 10 above the morning that it wouldn't work so I guess it was just too cold for it.

It is an older camera though. I need to upgrade to a couple newer cameras.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 04:51 PM

Hey jackindistress That's a good looking shack. I've been thinking about building one like that for portability. Just use some leg bolts and screw and unscrew it with a cordless drill and make it where it will fit into the back of my pickup.

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 07:01 PM

Jim,
That is how that one was built. That old shack is about 15 years old and has set in the same spot all that time. A friend of mine originally built it to deer hunt out of. He built it in 4 separate panels and then the roof. He pulled it in there on a sled and bolted it together on location. It is built out of plywood but was getting so weathered that I wrapped it with a black plastic tarp this winter.

I used to spend a lot of time brushing in my blinds to make them blend in but over the years I have found that if they have been in place for a few weeks the coyotes don't pay any attention to them.

That one is about 4ft. square and about 5 ft. tall. I have killed a lot of coyotes out of it over the years.

Here is another one that I have at the edge of one of my CRP fields. This one is a little bigger and tall enough to stand up in. It has shooting windows on three sides of it. The windows are made of plexiglass and slide to open. It also has solid doors that fold down over the shooting windows and they are closed in the picture.

The taller building is nice because it gives you room to stand up and stretch, remove your jacket, etc. A small propane heater easily heats it.



My plans for this summer are to build a hunting shack / camper modeled after the old sheepherder wagons. I will build it on a set of wagon running gears so it can be moved with a tractor or pickup truck. It will serve as a deer camp and then later in winter be used as a coyote hunting shack where I will have heat and room to spend the night comfortably.

Something like this is what I have in mind. I have a portable saw mill so the lumber cost won't be much.
http://www.oldwesternwagons.com/sheepwagonownensbororunninggear.html

Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 07:24 PM

Sat tonight on my bait pile, nothing showed, very quiet, no howling, have some tracks but they are either bobcat or fox couldn't really tell with a slight dusting of snow filling them in, no nail marks in the foot prints but the snow filled in most of the tracks.
Posted by: howler_87413

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 07:46 PM

What an awsome set up!! I Had a spot like that until someone stole my blind!!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 08:07 PM


Jackindistress,

That's a neat shack, something on the order of what I want. I currently have a pop-up bind set up, but I want a more permanent one. Maybe I will build a shack of some kind, complete with heater, and sit back and relax while watching.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 08:18 PM

6mm06,
Those pop up blinds are nice too. I have deer hunted deer and coyote out of them quite a bit also. The advantage to them is that they are quick and easy to move. A buddy of mine turkey hunts out of the pop up blinds with bow and arrow and he says a little propane heater keeps them really comfortable. He has killed a lot of turkeys out of them.
Posted by: Wihunter

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 09:14 PM

Baiting question. Can i drive my snowmobile right up to the bait site, dump bait, and leave? If so, will they not touch it for a few days, or once its established will they not really care?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 10:08 PM

Wihunter,
When you first put it out they may not touch it for a few days but once you get them coming you should be ok with using a snow machine to bring in more bait. I haul mine in on an ATV or the tractor. You will leave less human scent that way and motorized equipment smells don't usually bother them as much as human footprint odor.

If you have deep snow, use your sled to make some "roads" that lead in to the bait. They will use these to avoid having to travel through the deep snow. When we get 7 or 8 inches of new snow I drag and old truck tire behind my ATV to plow travel lanes for them. If you make these where they normally travel you can set up some good ambush spots. It also makes it quieter and easier for you to approach your stand.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/27/10 11:09 PM

I have made a couple Blinds using 2x2s,Marine plywood for the floor,1/4 chip board,roll roofing for roof. Made the frame 2'on center and used that 2" thick Styrofoam ins. Makes it quite inside and warm. Oh dont forget a peice of old carpet on floor. smile
Jim: hope you get your Cam working! confused Oh! if you have a heater make shur you got some venting,Dont want anything bad to happen ohmy............Jeff
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/28/10 02:19 PM


Jeff,

Sounds like you had most of the comforts of home. But hey, if you are going to sit there for extended periods of time, why not be comfortable, right?

I have been formulating a plan in my mind of a blind I wish to build, a permanent one and similar to yours. Would be a nice project.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/28/10 08:19 PM


Question,

What is a good, cheap sensor that works well? Mine will need to be about 130 - 150 yards or so from the blind. No electricity, so it will have to be battery powered.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/28/10 08:28 PM

David I use when I Bait a set of 3 sensors from www.Hunteralert.com its cheap $20 but works realy well.
I set the sensors out 25'-30' pointing toward the bait. It has a 500' range to reciever. smile
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/29/10 09:32 PM

ttt
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/30/10 01:03 PM

Bump, bump. It's too rainy and windy for the hunting to be much good here today. Brought my trail cam in yesterday to charge the battery and didn't get it put back out yet.

Temps. are supposed to be in the 50's here the next few days. Should be enough to thaw out some of the bait and make hunting a little better.

Somebody post some more pictures !!!!!
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/30/10 03:18 PM


Good bump. Had to dig for these . . . this is one of my stands. It is 3x5x6 and about 10-11' off the ground. It was moved from its original location to the one shown in the photo. Straped it to the bucket of the Kabota tractor and moved it from one of the front fields to the back field . . . in the dark, but that's a whole 'nother story.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/30/10 03:25 PM

Sorry, this video is poor; it was taken with my cell phone. This is another stand that I built like the other one in my last post 3x5x6 but it is 16' from ground to floor. I disassembled this one this fall and have plans to relocate it to another part of the farm.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/30/10 04:27 PM

Nice stand. Seems like there is always that limb that you thought was a little higher until you try to get under it with the loader. I've had a few experiences or maybe I should say escapades doing that.
Posted by: skinney

Re: Baiting - 12/30/10 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: THEGUIDE
Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
I also ordered a driveway sensor that will let me know when anything is near the bait.
Jim


Jim,
My hunting camp is 3 miles back in the woods and I use a Chamberlain Driveway Alarm
http://infiniteelectronix.com/chamberlainrwa300rwirelesspedestrianandvehiclealert.aspx
I have 4 sensors hooked up overlooking the bait pile and the range is great! The reason I have 4 sensors is I bait on a brook in front of my camp and the coyotes run the brook and this just gives me more time to get upstairs and make the shot. The only recommendations are to use NiMH rechargeable batteries they seem to work a lot better in cold weather. They are pricy but work the entire season with just 2 charges. The reason I bait is when the weather is bad I can still snowmobile into my camp and hunt over bait. In the luxery of a warm camp and a cold drink I mite add smile









THIS PHOTO OF A COYOTE APPROACHING THE BAIT WAS TAKEN THROUGH MY GEN3 NIGHT VISION. THE CAMERA DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT IT LOOK LIKE IN REAL-TIME. BY THE WAY THE COYOTE WAS DEAD ABOUT A MINUET AFTER THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN cool




now thats how you do it right there!!!
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/30/10 07:20 PM

Nice setup
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter

Good bump. Had to dig for these . . . this is one of my stands. It is 3x5x6 and about 10-11' off the ground. It was moved from its original location to the one shown in the photo. Straped it to the bucket of the Kabota tractor and moved it from one of the front fields to the back field . . . in the dark, but that's a whole 'nother story.
I like it! Bet you do well in that Blind drool thumbup
Posted by: DVXDUDE

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 11:09 AM

my buddy sets up the little solar powered motion sensor lights at his bait. Soon as he sees the light turn on he knows theres something at the bait. He just watches from his house. Soon as the lights on, he knows someone is home lol thumbup
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 11:21 AM

This is a pic of my set-up..Dakota Alert system. 2 Mile Range w\handheld remote. Works very good...




And the view from the "shooting house"..

Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 11:30 AM

That is the one I had been looking at earlier this winter. I plan on buying one like it before next winter. I like the idea of the handheld receiver.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 11:33 AM

This guy shows up while I'm hunting another area. They know when to show up, and when not too. He's lucky....for now..





I saw 2 at other spot. About 60 yards away but, the fog was so bad I couldn't get on them quick enough. Tonight I will break them.....
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 11:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
That is the one I had been looking at earlier this winter. I plan on buying one like it before next winter. I like the idea of the handheld receiver.


You can use the Dakota for anything. Deer, 'yotes, people etc.
The receiver has a ear bud plug-in! silent warning in real time. Rechargeable goodness...technology helps put meat on the table, and fur in the shed..+ when someone comes down the 400 yard driveway, they are unaware that they are being monitered..
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 01:40 PM

weaponx- you are set up! Sweeet! thumbup1
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 07:21 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
This is a pic of my set-up..Dakota Alert system. 2 Mile Range w\handheld remote. Works very good...
How big is that unit? Is the black box the senser or reciever? confused
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 08:05 PM

The receiver is a walkie\talkie. You can also use it to talk to other people with the muurs unit..ANY muurs unit..5 channels and 50 sub channels..nice! Also you can add 4 transmitter units. (wireless goodness x 4). I have 2 transmitter's. I will be getting 2 more.(yes, they are $94 pesos apiece! expensive I know.)I live at a dead end road, and people like driving down a dead end, just to see where it goes....And I am a little paranoid of human's..

One more thing about the hand held unit. When it goes off, it says,"ALERT ZONE ONE" 3 TIMES..(Or whatever zone is tripped etc.)

The transmitter,(black box). Is about half the size of a kid's lunch box. Takes 6 aa batteries. That seem to last a very long time. It goes into sleep mode when not tripped. (trips up to 80' away). Although I have not confirmed that yet.....

Great unit! $170 @ "Home security store.com"..free shipping no tax....
Posted by: 1badboy

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
The receiver is a walkie\talkie. You can also use it to talk to other people with the muurs unit..ANY muurs unit..5 channels and 50 sub channels..nice! Also you can add 4 transmitter units. (wireless goodness x 4). I have 2 transmitter's. I will be getting 2 more.(yes, they are $94 pesos apiece! expensive I know.)I live at a dead end road, and people like driving down a dead end, just to see where it goes....And I am a little paranoid of human's..

One more thing about the hand held unit. When it goes off, it says,"ALERT ZONE ONE" 3 TIMES..(Or whatever zone is tripped etc.)

The transmitter,(black box). Is about half the size of a kid's lunch box. Takes 6 aa batteries. That seem to last a very long time. It goes into sleep mode when not tripped. (trips up to 80' away). Although I have not confirmed that yet.....

Great unit! $170 @ "Home security store.com"..free shipping no tax....

i m not to framiliar with these units ...
is there alot to it ? and what is the total cost involved ?
thanks
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 08:13 PM

I forgot to ask you men a question:

Will you be hunting tonight or celebrating New years somewhere else....(not 'yote hunting)??

Just curious.......





I will be trying to Take down 2 'yotes that eluded me last night....
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 08:17 PM

Sleeping!
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: 1badboy
Originally Posted By: weaponx
The receiver is a walkie\talkie. You can also use it to talk to other people with the muurs unit..ANY muurs unit..5 channels and 50 sub channels..nice! Also you can add 4 transmitter units. (wireless goodness x 4). I have 2 transmitter's. I will be getting 2 more.(yes, they are $94 pesos apiece! expensive I know.)I live at a dead end road, and people like driving down a dead end, just to see where it goes....And I am a little paranoid of human's..

One more thing about the hand held unit. When it goes off, it says,"ALERT ZONE ONE" 3 TIMES..(Or whatever zone is tripped etc.)

The transmitter,(black box). Is about half the size of a kid's lunch box. Takes 6 aa batteries. That seem to last a very long time. It goes into sleep mode when not tripped. (trips up to 80' away). Although I have not confirmed that yet.....

Great unit! $170 @ "Home security store.com"..free shipping no tax....

i m not to framiliar with these units ...
is there alot to it ? and what is the total cost involved ?
thanks


Link removed due to the owners request......$170.00
Mos' def NOT, complicated! easy easy....go for it!
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Sleeping!


Wb45.....say it isn't so brother! (unless you have to work tomorrow).
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
I forgot to ask you men a question:

Will you be hunting tonight or celebrating New years somewhere else....(not 'yote hunting)??

Just curious.......





I will be trying to Take down 2 'yotes that eluded me last night....


I just got loaded up to go hunting (calling) and it started raining hard, so I may just sit over a bait tonight.

And, thanks for the additional information on the MURS unit. That is exactly what I have been looking for. I also have the same problem as you with people driving in "just to see where the road goes".
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 12/31/10 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Sleeping!


Wb45.....say it isn't so brother! (unless you have to work tomorrow).
Yep gotta work Saturday,Sears New Years Sale lol Been doin it for 16 years,retail SUCKS! frown
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
I forgot to ask you men a question:

Will you be hunting tonight or celebrating New years somewhere else....(not 'yote hunting)??

Just curious.......





I will be trying to Take down 2 'yotes that eluded me last night....


weaponx- I hope your question can apply to us women as well . . I was out hunting. Went to the first bait site at 5:30pm 'til 8:30, which had quite a bit of fox activity around the fringes but none would commit. Went to second bait site at 10:00pm. At 11:15pm I had a oppossum and a coon in eating at the same time so I got a double on them. Then at midnight everybody and their brother shot their guns off for New Years and the woods went silent. Left at 1:30am. A beautiful warm night(35) with clear skies and a very light wind out of the SSE. Took some pix for the doubting Thomas'. Hope ya'll had a good,safe New Year's!

Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 04:27 AM

Forgive me GG...I assumed everyone doing this was male! Lol..Fine work with the egg pilfering 'possum and 'coon! They need thinned out 'round here bad. Although I did get 3 'coon last night. I usually don't take pics of them. I think I will start....

Tonight was 'coon running everywhere,but, I didnot pull the trigger. Here in N. Illinois the temp dropped 30 degrees in no time.And the wind picked up to 30 mph out of the west. I stayed till it hurt and then sat there some more. I've come home to warm up and sit by the fire. Watch tv for a while and listen for the motion sensor to alert.

Happy new year to you.
Posted by: D.R.T. Outdoors

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 07:38 AM

You men... and women, are some devious, scheming predator killers, and I love it. I have just spent the last hour reading at 12 pages of this post and have learned so much. Baiting will definitely be added to this guys tool box next winter. I bow hunt for deer and elk, so I am used to sitting in a treestand for hours waiting for something to happen. Also, being on a first name basis with my small town butcher will give me endless opportunities for bait piles. Ya'll have posted some awesome info. Keep it up!
Posted by: vatikkashooter

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 09:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Brian Downs
Jim,
Could be that yankees just like to sit in the cold and stare at meat on the ground for hours on end.
lol
Posted by: vatikkashooter

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
With my propane heater going in my shed I am set up for night time hunting in comfort. Yea I know lazy,lazy,lazy.
But I have an excuse, I am 72 yrs old.


...and pretty clever too. thumbup1
Posted by: gonzaga

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 12:36 PM

You can pretty much sum up most everyones feelings around here with this The Predator Masters Logo-"PREDATOR MASTERS.COM-HUNTING THE HUNTER".

Not Predator masters.com-waiting over a pile.

Sorry, I would rather track them down and call them in.
Posted by: NM Leon

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 12:49 PM

Predator Masters position is that if it's a legal form of hunting...don't knock it.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By: gonzaga
You can pretty much sum up most everyones feelings around here with this The Predator Masters Logo-"PREDATOR MASTERS.COM-HUNTING THE HUNTER".

Not Predator masters.com-waiting over a pile.

Sorry, I would rather track them down and call them in.

To each their own as to the method. Like deer hunting, some people spot and stalk others wait over a baited area, etc . . I imagine some predator hunters hunt predators for the sport, no problem. Others hunt due to the need to control the population in their given area. Dead predators is the final outcome. Just saying.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 04:00 PM

You got it GG.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 04:27 PM

How I gt my nick name (Cougar Jim)

I would like to tell you a true story that happened to me and it is how I got my nick name, Cougar Jim.
I live in Oregon where we still have some pretty good hunting, like Elk, Deer, Bear, and Cougar (Mountain Lion)
It was at a place I call my wild place, because it is so remote with lots of wild critters. I was looking for a good
location to put up my tree stand. Archery season for Elk and Deer would soon be open.
I parked my truck on an old gravel road and walked out in the woods about 50 to 75 yards. There was a nice green Meadow about 25 to 30 yards across and about 100 yards long. This is a good place for my stand I thought.
At that time I heard a Deer snort, like something spooked him, but something was wrong, I was down wind of the Deer and standing perfectly still. Just at that time I caught movement out of the corner of my eye.
I could not believe my eyes, on the other side of the meadow and a little to my left was a full grown male Cougar and he was staring straight at me.
I didn't know if I was to scared to move or couldn't move. I thought to myself, What in the sam hill am I going to do now? or better yet what could I do? I have never seen a cougar in the wild but have read a lot about them and one thing I read was not to run. he is what spooked the Deer. He probably thought, I can't get the Deer, so I will take the fat boy. I didn't have any kind of weapon, [beeep] I didn't even have a picture of a weapon on me. I read somewhere that if you shout and wave your arms, that makes you look bigger and would scare the cat off. I guess he didn't read the same book because he came toward me with his ears laid back and snarling. Then I remembered I had a sling shot in my back pocket. You know one of those wrist rockets with steel balls in the handle. Just press a spot on the handle and one of the steel balls will roll out in your hand. "Yea--right" I guess you know that went over like a bob sled on a dirt road. All the steel balls fell out on the ground except three and I had them in my hand. I loaded one of the steel balls and pulled back to full draw and let go. Smack, right in the chest. Can you imagine shooting an Elephant with a spit ball? That was about the same results. He just came closer and went down in a crouch, like he was going to spring on me. I started backing up slowly. Every time I would put some ground between us he would rise and come closer, then go back into a crouch. I looked desperately for a stick or rock but could not find anything to fend him off.
I was backing towards my truck. If I could get close enough, maybe I could beat him to my truck. I hit him two more times with the sling shot. He would jump but act more determined. When I got about ten yards from my truck I thought I could probably beat him now. Just as I turned to run, I heard the Cougar coming at full speed. At the same time a terrible thought entered my mind. I was coming up on the passenger side of my truck. Did I lock that door? If that door is locked I am cat food. Then I made the decision that I am convinced that saved my life. I did not take a chance on the door being locked or not. Instead I went for the other side. I went in front of my truck and when I made the sharp turn to get to the door, the Cougar was reaching for me. Because of his speed and momentum he could not make the sharp turn and slid all the way across the gravel road, leaving claw marks, trying to get back at me. I got in the truck with about a second to spare.
When I closed the door, he was sitting outside looking up at me. He had a look on his face like, oh well, you win some and you loose some.
When I finally calmed down I realized my hand was bleeding. Did he get me with those sharp claws? or did I jamb my hand in the door trying to get in so quick? I can not remember. I lowered the window about two inches because I had something to say to the little kitty. I said, and you can quote me. Waite right here you #%^(&@ and I will go home and get my gun and blow your @#$%^^* head off. I hunted that cat for three years but I haven't found him YET.
Posted by: D.R.T. Outdoors

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 04:46 PM

That's a hellofuh way to get a nickname! They are interesting critters. I've been fortunate enough to see several big cats, just never had the opportunity to lay the hammer down on one. I've seen 5 in the Clockumn unit above Ellensburg Wa while scouting/archery hunting for elk, and 1 really really big cat in the Blue Mountains on the Tucannon River down by the eastern Oregon/Washington border while hunting whitetails. Would love to shoot one someday. Great story, I bet you had to go change your underpants, and that you stopped going out in the woods armed with only a slingshot!
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 05:46 PM

Oh Jim, what a great story and a well deserved nickname. Do you still hunt in that same area you had the encounter? Sounds like you do. And sounds like that lion is on your personal #hit list.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 06:29 PM

Yeah GG I still look for that Cougar. One day I will find him if I live long enough.

The man that gave me the nick name was the owner of the local Archery shop. He gave me a life size poster of a cougar and drew a picture of a little man running like h#ll in front of the cougar and wrote Cougar Jim at the bottom of the picture.

Jim
Posted by: gonzaga

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 08:23 PM

That is one heck of a story CougarJim, I would say you have some Big Cojones. Glad he missed you too.

NMLeon, I wasn't nocking any form of hunting. I agree if it is legal, by all means do it and good luck doing it too. I wish everyone nothing but good luck pursuing any prey that they desire. Heck I am just happy to see people keeping the hunting sports alive. Sorry if I came accross as bashing it, I wasn't.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/01/11 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: nmleon
Predator Masters position is that if it's a legal form of hunting...don't knock it.
Sir I thank you for your comment! Could we please have this Thread made into a Sticky PLEASE. And we thank you for your support! thumbup
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:15 AM

I don't track,stalk, Yotes as much as I used to 'cause my knees are slowly going out on me, due to past injuries, so I do bait dogs some, mainly because I enjoy hunting them so even though my 38 year old body feels like 78. Looking back I often wish I'd lived a little slower when I was younger, and not treated my existance with so little respect, but I DID HAVE FUN.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Originally Posted By: nmleon
Predator Masters position is that if it's a legal form of hunting...don't knock it.
Sir I thank you for your comment! Could we please have this Thread made into a Sticky PLEASE. And we thank you for your support! thumbup


I just sent a request to the PM administration asking them to please make this a sticky.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 10:00 AM

Did any of your guys (and lady) see anything last night or this morning? My bait alarm went off about 4 times during the night. The skunk was back and a couple different dogs but no coyotes at bait #1. I hate to shoot that skunk when it is only 100 yards from the house but I think if I see it again I am going to bust a cap on him and take a chance on stink.

Checked the trail cam on bait #2 this morning and it ad one farm dog and one coyote on it. Just got the tail end of the coyote as he was leaving. I need to freshen the bait at that location today and will probably take a motion alarm and sit there tonight or very early in the morning. It was 5:05 am when the coyote was at that bait this morning.

Posted by: D.R.T. Outdoors

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 10:03 AM

Well... In less than 30 days, obtaining over 250 posts on this forum, I can certainly attest to the potential of this topic as at the minimum a sticky, if not it's own dedicated category. Ladies and gents, if you don't appreciate the potential of hunting over bait you are definitely missing out on a big portion of putting fur on the ground. If you want to maximize your success every year you must obtain/master the skills of every successful technique here.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 11:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Originally Posted By: nmleon
Predator Masters position is that if it's a legal form of hunting...don't knock it.
Sir I thank you for your comment! Could we please have this Thread made into a Sticky PLEASE. And we thank you for your support! thumbup


I just sent a request to the PM administration asking them to please make this a sticky.



Received reply from admin. on my request for making this a sticky. In short, we will not be getting a sticky or sub forum for baiting discussions. In their opinion, it is not needed.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 11:58 AM

jid- thanks for at least trying to get this topic noted on PM. We all can just keep using the original post that Jim made, though a sticky would have been nice to have.
Did not hunt last night . . it rained. Checked cameras this morning and one pix of the resident red fox showing up at 4:30am. The other camera stopped working which does not make me a happy camper since this is the second time this has happened. Bought a Primos TruthCam 60 earlier in the season which malfunctioned so I sent it back to Primos and they replaced it with this one, which is now not working. cursing I will call the company tomorrow and explain what has happened. The camera is great when it works but right now this is getting a little rediculous. Seriously considering going with another brand unsure.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:07 PM

cough cough wildgame innovations x6c cough cough.......
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:13 PM

i am updating on my baiting this winter. i awoke this morning to rain and fog, 42 degrees.i checked my row baitpile which i can view from my driveway. i position my work truck when i park so that if i pull the passenger side mirror out to full extension i can use it as a shooting rest. well it worked like a charm. there was a small coyote on the bait, the shot was around 275 yards. the 55 grain ballistic tip fired out of my savage weather warrior in .243 struck perfectly in the ribs. he broncoed about 20 yards and ran out of gas. it was a hard shot through the fog blowing in and out, but it worked.



here is a pic of me looking at the baitpile.



here is a pic of the coyote point of view.



pic of the retrieved coyote and impact site.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:24 PM

Congratulations and good shooting there. What for bait are you using? Looks like large chunks of somethings ribs.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:28 PM

Great pic's..from the looks of the last pic. That dog was "one hurting unit"......you just saved 1.5 springtime fawns. That will now grow up for you to harvest."Got 'er done"!

You've just been promoted to "Greenmountainman"!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:32 PM

greenmountainboy,
Good job!!! Good pictures too! I really like using deer ribs in below freezing weather. The bones in them are small and tender enough that they will feed on them even when they are frozen solid.

I love those foggy morning for hunting, especially calling.
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:37 PM

thanks guys. the bait is a combination of deer and caribou frozen into baitciles. i also use hides, those crazy coyotes love to chew on them. you can see one in the pics that they have been working over. shoot straight and apologize to no one. get some deer or i even used beef hides, they cannot resist playing with them.i have two caribou hides in another spot, they have not hit them yet.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:49 PM

I thought those ribs looked rather large to be deer. Keep at 'em!
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 12:49 PM

Good job there greenmountainboy. What I like about baiting is, I feel like I am hunting all the time, which has been my passion all my life.

Jim
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 01:41 PM


Jim, you certainly came by your nickname honestly. All I can say is I wish I was there with my video camera rolling, sitting in the truck, of course. I would have made sure the passenger side was unlocked for you!

Weaponx, I took your advice and ordered the X6C. Should have it in a few days and I'm anxious to give it a try.

Greenmountainboy, nice job on the coyote. He sure did zig-zag back and forth on the road.

David
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 02:01 PM

What a friend David, You would make sure the door was unlocked, LOL. Maybe we could go hunting together but first I will make sure I can out run you.LOL

You know that Cougar didn't have a chance on catching me. I was running on dry land but he was running in you know what.

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
What a friend David, You would make sure the door was unlocked, LOL. Maybe we could go hunting together but first I will make sure I can out run you.LOL

You know that Cougar didn't have a chance on catching me. I was running on dry land but he was running in you know what.

Jim


Jim,
That right there is some funny stuff !!!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 05:32 PM


Hey, what are friends for, right! Of course, I believe the footage would have been a real money-maker.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 05:40 PM

Worse case scenario,or best for you. The cougar eats me up and you make a million dollars on the footage.LOL. "Man" I got screwed on that deal.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 09:09 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Did not hunt last night . . it rained. Checked cameras this morning and one pix of the resident red fox showing up at 4:30am. The other camera stopped working which does not make me a happy camper since this is the second time this has happened. Bought a Primos TruthCam 60 earlier in the season which malfunctioned so I sent it back to Primos and they replaced it with this one, which is now not working. cursing I will call the company tomorrow and explain what has happened. The camera is great when it works but right now this is getting a little rediculous. Seriously considering going with another brand unsure.


I know what you mean GG, I have the same camera and the video is not working right. I am probably going to send it back unless I find out it's just me not knowing how to program it.

Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 09:26 PM

Jim- I remembered you had gotten the same camera and was wondering if you were having any problems with yours, and so it is.
The LED screen works on mine but it will not take pics or vids. I'm kinda dissapointed that these cameras (2 now) only work for a short time then die. They really do take some nice pictures IMO.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 09:30 PM


I have a friend in Australia who purchased the same camera, ordered from the US. It was defective and he had to return it. A lot of postage involved, but he received a new one and it seems to be working ok for now.
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 09:33 PM

Christmas clean up bait bucket going out there soon

freezer burned pork chops
mini hot dogs that were left in the crock pot
chicken carcas
chicken guts
chicken broth
ham slices
turkey slices
chili
dog biscuits

YUM haha coons/skunks/opossums are going to be all over this.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 10:28 PM

Oh yeah Jeff, don't forget the buzzards,crows and hawks drool.
Bait them, and they will come . . .
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/11 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

I have a friend in Australia who purchased the same camera, ordered from the US. It was defective and he had to return it. A lot of postage involved, but he received a new one and it seems to be working ok for now.

I hope your friend in Australia has better luck than I have had. Can't imagine what the postage cost. Last camera I mailed back to Primos cost me 6 bucks. Looks like I'll have to ship this one back too. frown
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 10:38 AM

While sitting in my shack hunting over bait I was wondering if I could hunt at night without lights and still be able to see a yote on the pile.
And do I have to stare thru the scope all the time to see anything or is their some equipment that I need.
Thanks
Posted by: doggin coyotes

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
While sitting in my shack hunting over bait I was wondering if I could hunt at night without lights and still be able to see a yote on the pile.
And do I have to stare thru the scope all the time to see anything or is their some equipment that I need.
Thanks


Snow on the ground with a good bright moon and you can see really well. Depending on terrain and landscape, sometimes no snow and a big bright moon will still allow a person to see pretty good. No snow and no moon and human eyes don't work very good without artificial lights or other equipment..

A lot depends on the individuals eyes also.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 06:05 PM

Grizley cant you guys in MI hunt at night with a light? smile Oh and you guys try out a Bushnell Trophy cam! 2 yr. warrenty
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 07:19 PM

Yes in Michigan we can hunt at night, lights are legal but must not be vehicle powered, only the type normally carried in the hand are legal, also lazer's are legal, but, we are limited to rim fires or shotguns, but no buckshot, slugs, or cut shell.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 07:46 PM

WallBass45
Yes we can hunt at night but I have never tried it and was wondering how would I know if a yote came in to the bait without having a light on at all times.With the amount of time I sit I would have to have a battery as big as my house.The yotes are hitting my bait at night and I want to try a night hunt.Is their a better way?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 08:00 PM

Grizzlyhunter,
Some of use are using those wireless driveway alarms to notify us when something is at our bait. Prices range from about $20 up. If you need something that will work for a couple of miles the MURS radio units are about $170.00.

I am using one that I ordered from Amazon. Cost was about $20.00. You can also find them on ebay. Search for Driveway Patrol motion sensor. That is the brand that I have.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 08:10 PM

Jackindistress
Ok thats a good idea!!!
So after the alarm goes off then I guess you switch on a light of some sort??
My bait pile is 170yds from my blind so I guess I dont need something that transmits for a couple miles,do I?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 08:57 PM

Grizleyhunter,
The Driveway Patrol brand like I have says that it works "Up To" 400 feet, but I couldn't get it to work reliably quite that far. I have been using it out to about 80 to 90 yards though.

There is another brand called Hunter Alert that I believe says works "up to" 500 feet but I wouldn't expect it to always work that far. The MURS systems will work that far though.

I use one of the Wildlife Technologies XLR250 gun mounted lights with the red LED for shooting at night. For 170 yards you might want a little brighter light. Maybe a spotlight with a red lens? I have never tried shooting much past 100 yards at night.

And yes, when the alarm goes off, switch on the light and see what is out there. Sometimes they come in and leave pretty quick at night.

This is a few pages back on this thread. Weaponx has a picture of his MURS alarm system.
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...099&page=12
Posted by: doggin coyotes

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
My bait pile is 170yds from my blind so I guess I dont need something that transmits for a couple miles,do I?


That's a pretty long poke at night. In fact that's a pretty long poke for alot of guys in broad day light. smile I'd try cutting that distance in about half if at all possible.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 09:20 PM

Dude. I'm gonna get this IP Vidcam next for the bait pile. Sit in front on the 'puter. Wireless vid streaming while I'm home warm watching the playoff's..Lol

Link removed due to the owners request
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 09:23 PM

Even my dog is Predator hunting. He got this coon all by himself....That was a Big coon too. What a fight...


Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: doggin coyotes
Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
My bait pile is 170yds from my blind so I guess I dont need something that transmits for a couple miles,do I?


That's a pretty long poke at night. In fact that's a pretty long poke for alot of guys in broad day light. smile I'd try cutting that distance in about half if at all possible.
I agree with Doggin I would try to move your Bait to 75-100yds. You ca see what they are at that distance. And Grizley I use the Hunteralert senser cost $20 bucks plus S/H,it works great at 100yds. thumbup1
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 09:41 PM

dogging coyotes
I hunt a powerline and some times they come out closer to the blind which makes for a closer shot,but I felt the farther away it was would help disperse my sent cone and make the yotes less aware that I was there.I did miss one at 250 a few days ago I just got a little hair.So to me it sounds like 170yards to my bait pile is to far for night hunting so I will stick to daylight hunting.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 10:50 PM

Slow night on the stand tonight fellas. The snow has melted and so has the fox activity on the 'ol bait pile. One showing up about every hour. First grey came in around 6:30 right to the base of my stand then out to circle the goodies. I took the shot and hit 'em but it ran off frown. Second grey came in at 7:30, again right to the bottom of my stand but I couldn't see it clearly through my scope(lowest power is 10x)-just too close. Oh well, there is always another night. Did anyone else get to hunt?
Posted by: Three 44s

Re: Baiting - 01/03/11 11:35 PM

Anybody try this:


http://www.cabelas.com/scents-scent-eliminators-bear-sense-smoke-sticks-12-miles-dead-fish-1.shtml


I am told that the scent trail it leaves lasts for quite a while!



Three 44s
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: weaponx

Dude. I'm gonna get this IP Vidcam next for the bait pile. Sit in front on the 'puter. Wireless vid streaming while I'm home warm watching the playoff's..Lol


Link removed due to the owners request


weaponx, is this camera battery powered or do you have to have 120?


Jim
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 04:50 AM

Hello to all from Downeast Maine. I have realy enjoyed reading this thred about baiting. I just found this site yesterday and I must say its one of the best forums I have found.After seeing the way some of you set up your bait sites I thought I would show you how some of the boys in this area harvest a few coyotes in the winter. Feel free to comment on the setup as everything can be improved.
This is a set up that 8-10 guys I know use in this area. This has proved to be quite successful with one guy shooting and killing over 70 in four years. Most all guys kill 15-20 per winter.

First we set up a bait pile from 70-200 yards from a window with a good rest. The window must open very quiet (very important). This is my bait pile in the first photo.

I set up the site about 250 yds back further in the woods from the house to help build confidence and I think it worked they started eating 1 55gal barrel a week. There is 2 barrels of cow,deer and pig parts with some partridge parts from a hunt 9 days ago in the photo.
Once I moved the site to its final location,71 yds from my window,it only took 4 days until the coyotes started hitting the bait. When I got the bait to where I could see it from my house,its final location, I installed a Chamberlain wireless motion alarm ($94 radio shack) This is the sensor. see picture

This is the beeper on the desk in my office. Its very important to put the beeper away from the window you will be shooting from because when you open the window and the beeper beeps the coyote will be gone.

As I said I have only had the bait at this site for 5 days,on Wednesday night we had a coyote at the pile at 7pm. My son spotted it with a flashlight and it ran only to return 5 min later. Two nights later the coyotes were on the pile from 10:30pm to 1am we did not bother them at all just let them feed and get comfy.
On friday Newyears eve we installed a light system. I bought a outdoor rectangle box,outdoor lamp holder and a photo control for the light. I needed 250' of 14-2 wire to run to my home. The whole thing cost me $93.18 at EBS. pic

The only thing I did differently is I oped for a red 100 watt flood light. I thought it will work better then a white flood light but the coyotes are still getting use to it, coyote may not get as spooked by the red light,we shall see. The regular flood light works but sometimes it takes awhile for the coyotes to get accustom to the light. If you mount the light back 30-40 feet shining away from your home and on the bait, its believed that it helps blind the coyote when he looks toward the your home. But some have the light shining strait down on the bait 20-25 feet high.

This is the view from my shooting window

If you live in a residential area the red flood light may not assure you that its a coyote and not something else so keep that in mind. This system has worked very well for a number of guys here in Downeast Maine for a number of years. One guy that uses this system has no light he uses the beeper and a open field and shoots many but he needs the snow to offer him enough visibility for a good shot. Good luck.
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 06:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Grizzlyhunter,
Some of use are using those wireless driveway alarms to notify us when something is at our bait. Prices range from about $20 up. If you need something that will work for a couple of miles the MURS radio units are about $170.00.

I am using one that I ordered from Amazon. Cost was about $20.00. You can also find them on ebay. Search for Driveway Patrol motion sensor. That is the brand that I have.

we done kinda the same thing out at my buddy's dad's house but it was just a motion light on a tripod. bait pile was 200 yards behind the house and we just run power down the fence row and when we put bait out we just set it up and plugged it in. when they would come up to feed it would turn the light on, no need for a spotlight cause it lit them up!!
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 06:19 AM

Scalloper beat me too it, the light works great. have used it too for many years here in indiana
Posted by: 78CJ

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 08:18 AM

Do any of you guys put out whole animals for bait? A friend had to put down a mule and asked me if I wanted it for bait, I tied the whole carcass to a tree and pulled it out of the truck and left the rope attatched.
The coyotes have not touched it as of Saturday so I pierced the stomach area and cut into a hind to get them a start.
Will the rope scare them, do they not like whole animals?
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 09:02 AM

A friend had to put down a horse this summer so he buried it on the back of his property around August. I went there this morning to do some calling. The coyotes dug a hole about 3 feet deep to get to the house,they have consumed alot of it even being under 3 feet of gravel. I had no luck calling there today but there were some fresh tracks in the snow.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 09:57 AM

Went to camp yesterday, had a deer that was found dead on the edge of a field and was using it for bait. Before the rain, and above freezing temps this past weekend nothing had touched it, been laying there since late november, not sure if the warm weather let extra scent drift out or if they finally got brave enough to come close to camp. This Sunday it turned cold and everything froze, needless to say the entire thing was consumesd except for the hide and there wasn't much left of that.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 10:51 AM

Whole animals work for me. I'll use anything from frozen g-hogs I shoot in the summer to road kill deer. I don't have to restock the sites as often using larger portions.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Originally Posted By: weaponx

Dude. I'm gonna get this IP Vidcam next for the bait pile. Sit in front on the 'puter. Wireless vid streaming while I'm home warm watching the playoff's..Lol


Link removed due to the owners request


weaponx, is this camera battery powered or do you have to have 120?


Jim


It's battery powered. Sends video right to your PC. But you have to have other electronic eguipment to make it work Jim. And you have to know your subnet mask information and Ip address. The store has to put all that info in there, before you can use it. Truely....it's probably $900 worth of equipment. And I'm still kicking the idea around. But it sure would be neat!
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 08:23 PM

Getting ready to go to work. Alarm tells me Zone 1 has activity......


Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 08:25 PM

And I'm sure you guys have seen this....



Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 09:07 PM

weapon- I'll take the red, it is beautiful. So what was the final outcome on the yote? Did you get a second shot to finish? I'm in suspense here . . .
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 09:17 PM

Naa.....It was too dark to probably shoot in the first place. His eye's were glowing in the LED'S of the trailcam. That was the only POI I could use. And my scope is an older Leupold, with thin lines. That scope works great with snow at night. But the snow melted...Iam sad...

That Red is a beaut! But I'm trying not to shoot fox's. They are way too cool. And the 'yotes kill'em all they can. Way too many 'yotes around here......

Oh and the dog could not find the 'yote.. Bled good but he made it out onto the ice and is out of my life for a while....maybe.......
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 10:32 PM

I hear ya on the "too many yote" problem. That's the way it is around here with fox. I raise fowl and I dispise the little varmints. Coyotes are pretty much unheard of. I know of only 1 credible report of seeing one and then back in 2002 a fella shot one while turkey hunting otherwise, nada. Because of our extremely high deer population, rumor has it that our Dept. of Nat. Res. recently has released coyotes in our area to take the pop. down. They however, deny it. In about 10yrs. I'm guessing I will be hunting yotes on my farm instead of fox and will no longer be raising fowl. NUTS!
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/04/11 11:07 PM

Cougar Jim, Cougar Jim . . . what's "cat'in" around your bait pile?
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Cougar Jim, Cougar Jim . . . what's "cat'in" around your bait pile?


Nothing right now, it turned so cold here for the last 5 or six days I took my camera down, it was froze so bad I couldn't get it open, Also my alarm would not work it was so cold. The highs in the day's are not getting out of the teens. I've got another baitcycle ready to put out probably tomorrow.

Jim
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 07:40 AM

One of my blinds on the edge of a large tranmission line, shot 4 in 5 days out of this one in september over bait, no takers since, although I called two in later but they wouldn't give me a shot.


Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 07:45 AM

Another blind that I recently installed for deer and coyote hunting along the edge of a cedar swamp. Haven't used it for coyotes as of yet, gonna check today for sign and possibly hunt it.


Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 09:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Cougar Jim, Cougar Jim . . . what's "cat'in" around your bait pile?


Nothing right now, it turned so cold here for the last 5 or six days I took my camera down, it was froze so bad I couldn't get it open, Also my alarm would not work it was so cold. The highs in the day's are not getting out of the teens. I've got another baitcycle ready to put out probably tomorrow.

Jim

Buuurrr, Jim! Sounds like those bobcats and everything else should be gett'in pretty hungry with all that cold weather. Stay warm.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 09:30 AM

I hunted in one of my baited stands last night that I've only hunted once this season. Ended up with a possum on bait and then a coon I called in. Had a fox at the bait, crosshaired him, pulled the trigger and "click"- the round did not chamber after the first shot I had taken earlier. frown No worry, he'll be back!
dannyk- Is your stand at the cedar swamp baited or are you just using calls there?
Never mind dannyk, sorry the computer I was using earlier doesn't bring up pictures . . I see now. Very nice secluded site you got in those trees.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 12:12 PM

Hey dannyk, that is a nice set-up you got there. I like the heater.

Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 04:34 PM

Got my eye on this 'hoss tonite (video)
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: dannyk
Another blind that I recently installed for deer and coyote hunting along the edge of a cedar swamp. Haven't used it for coyotes as of yet, gonna check today for sign and possibly hunt it.



Man,nice set up. Thats what I need. Nice job. Thanks for posting.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Got my eye on this 'hoss tonite (video)

He would make a nice hat thumbup1
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 05:02 PM

Weaponx
I saw your video in another thread with your dog dragging that yote back to you. I don't think I have laughed so much in a long time.
I am still laughing every time I think about it.

The cussing was the funny part.
Video

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 06:17 PM

weaponx
Is your dog a Chesapeake or a lab? I am guessing he is a Chesapeake.

Jim
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 06:32 PM

Went out to my blind to sit for a while at about 3:30 and a hour later seen two coyotes about 750 yrds down the power line.they came towards the bait to about 225 yrds then went in the woods,I was sick and thought I waited to long to shoot.I did not shoot because I missed one the other day at 250yds and thought I had to wait to redeem myself.About 15 minutes later one of them tried to scoot across the power line at 165yrds that was his mistake.DRT-243 wssm D-Tech did its job.
I will post Pics in about an hour.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 06:50 PM

Dang Danny, you got cable tv in that thing too? That is nice!!

You must be left handed. You got the rifle pokin' out the wrong winder for me.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Dang Danny, you got cable tv in that thing too? That is nice!!

You must be left handed. You got the rifle pokin' out the wrong winder for me.


Yes a lefty, waited until I was 62 to finally get myself left hand rifles, both ar's are Stag lefty's and the night rifle is a savage left hand bolt
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 07:45 PM

Here are the pictures I promised. I'll send more in a few minutes. I'll edit this post.











I have edited and all pics are posted.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 07:45 PM

Went to camp today, haven't hunted here since deer season, were behind two seperate gates three and a half miles in from the hiway, I'm the only predator hunter out of the 5 camps. Some activity on the river, set up about 80 yards upstream from the area that the coyotes are using to cross the river, no luck, saw this track on the way in, measures just over five inches from the back of the pad to the front of the toes, finally went to a buddies camp and set up in a blind there, and sat until dark over the bait pile, no takers, no vocals answered my calls. Spent seven hours total rummaging around, other than some fresh air and a good walk thats all I have to show for it.



Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 09:56 PM


Man, you guys have some nice blinds, that's for sure. I've been rolling it over in my mind lately of building something more permanent than the pop-up. The heater that DannyK has is just what I have been thinking about.

Anyway, today I got two packages from the guy driving the brown truck. One is the Hunter Alert that Jeff suggested, and the other is the Wildgame Innovations X6C trail camera that Weaponx recommended. I'm anxious to get them in the field to see how they work. Just been playing around with the Hunter Alert this evening here at home, but haven't tried the camera yet. I'll let you know how it goes.

The Hunter Alert is working well at 50 yards in my driveway. I haven't tried it any further. I'm expecting shots at about 130 yards, so I'm hoping it will work that far.

A question to those of you who have the XLT 250s, can you identify animals at 130 to 150 yards?


The system has three transmitters. The first one didn't seem to work well, so I tried the second one. It works great and is very sensitive.







The camera is much smaller than I expected. If it takes photos as good as it looks, then it
will be a real winner.




Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 10:40 PM

Nice shooting Grizley, you have one heck of a shooting lane there.
Ya'll, these pictures of your hunting grounds are just great and some pretty country too. Thanks for sharing them. thumbup1
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 10:59 PM

6mm06,
The distance that you will be able to shoot using the XLR250 varies depending on how clear your scope is and the type of terrain you are shooting over. Earlier in the season I was hunting over mowed CRP and pasture ground that was still green and it seemed to "wash out" the red color of the light and reduce my range. I was still able to get about 100 yards but could not see as clearly as I could across cut bean stubble. I keep my scope set on 4 or 5 power. I am using an old (like 30 years old) 3-9X Redfield scope on my night rifle.

Now that every thing is more brown I and see a lot better with it. Last night I was hunting a new location in a mowed CRP field that is mostly prairie grass that I mowed last fall and the ground is mostly flat. I could easily see 150 yards across it. Humidity in the air seems to effect the visibility when using and LED more than it does when using a light with xenon or krypton bulb, etc.

It is the best light that I have found and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 11:03 PM

6mm06,
As for heaters, have you looked at the Mr. Heater brand models Buddy and Big Buddy heater. They look like they would be good in a hunting shack. The have a low oxygen shut off feature on them. They are on my list of stuff to get for next year.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 11:06 PM

Are any of you guys using your dead yotes for your bait I know this question has been asked before and it has been years that I used coyote for bait and can only remember crows and ravens hitting on them?????
Posted by: gwh

Re: Baiting - 01/05/11 11:49 PM

Keep the info and stories flowing I have read every post and I am enjoying them a great deal. Remember to add lots of pics when you have them.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 12:14 AM

I have never had anything other than buzzards bother them.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 08:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
6mm06,
As for heaters, have you looked at the Mr. Heater brand models Buddy and Big Buddy heater. They look like they would be good in a hunting shack. The have a low oxygen shut off feature on them. They are on my list of stuff to get for next year.

I have two of the Buddy heaters they are great. And you can buy a hose to attatch them to a 20lb tank so they last longer.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 09:47 AM

These are some pics from my bait pile thats behind my home. Now I have two,the one in these photos is 200 yds out and I cannot see it from my home. I put this one out with small amounts of bait to keep the coyotes coming and to build confidence. In the night photos you can see the light thats shinning on the bait pile near my house. That bait is the one that has the motion sensor on it.
This coyote came in at 6:59 monday am while I was in a different area calling.

These are some photos from the last two days



This bait pile has been here for about 2 months. I then put another bait pile,heavy with bait 3 barrels, near my home with a motion sensor. Then on Newyears eve I installed a light shining down on the bait. I posted pics of this bait a few days ago. The coyotes have been howling and going nuts sence I put the light on. Last night they were howling behind my house for over a hour. As you can see they are still coming into the area but they have not commited to the bait with the light sence I put the light on it,but this is common it takes them awhile to get acustome to the light. But I am confident that they will get hungryer as the temps go down. We shall see.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
weaponx
Is your dog a Chesapeake or a lab? I am guessing he is a Chesapeake.

Jim


Yes Jim. He's A Chessy. Typical hardheaded male. He thinks whenever he has a hard retreive, it's his...But he is lucky I had my hands full of lights and camera...Otherwise, he would have been stomped!
He will bring back almost anything though..I got to hand it to him. He'll even dive for fish! Now that is funny!
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 10:32 AM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Man, you guys have some nice blinds, that's for sure. I've been rolling it over in my mind lately of building something more permanent than the pop-up. The heater that DannyK has is just what I have been thinking about.

Anyway, today I got two packages from the guy driving the brown truck. One is the Hunter Alert that Jeff suggested, and the other is the Wildgame Innovations X6C trail camera that Weaponx recommended. I'm anxious to get them in the field to see how they work. Just been playing around with the Hunter Alert this evening here at home, but haven't tried the camera yet. I'll let you know how it goes.

The Hunter Alert is working well at 50 yards in my driveway. I haven't tried it any further. I'm expecting shots at about 130 yards, so I'm hoping it will work that far.

A question to those of you who have the XLT 250s, can you identify animals at 130 to 150 yards?


The system has three transmitters. The first one didn't seem to work well, so I tried the second one. It works great and is very sensitive.







The camera is much smaller than I expected. If it takes photos as good as it looks, then it
will be a real winner.






You are gonna like that camera! Mine has been Excellent! Get the external battery pack and you'll be set. I haven't charged mine since I got it. Still taking video's..
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 02:36 PM

You guys are getting some good trail cam pictures! How do you all keep your camera lens from frosting up during the night? Mine has been covered with ice the past several mornings. I have put them in a birdhouse or hollow log to keep them out of the weather but I have mostly used them for deer scouting and never had them out much this time of year.

I got this male early this morning over bait. He came in and checked things out but didn't get a chance to stay for breakfast.



Below is a female taken off the same bait about a week ago:



I moved about a 1/2 mile north later in the morning and did some howling. I had some answer my howls but they never did come out of the timber. The bait in that field didn't look like it had been disturbed last night so if the wind is favorable in the morning I will move on down into the timber and should be able to call one from there.

Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 03:46 PM


Jackindistress.

I like your hunting buggy. Nice going on the coyote.

The field I'm hunting at is mainly brown with some taller dead grasses.

Yes, I have considered the Buddy heater. As a matter of fact, I looked at one yesterday. Once I get a permanent shed built, then I'll take a closer look at a heater. For now I'm using the pop-up blind and have a small Coleman Catalaytic heater. It's not much, but enough to warm my hands.

Scalloper,

Those are some really nice photos of your setup there. You have a beautiful hunting place for sure.

David
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 03:51 PM


UPDATE ON THE HUNTER ALERT:


Today I set a fence post at the bait site, with the intention of putting a trail camera on it and the Hunter Alert. I'm having problems with the Hunter Alert, and haven't yet taken any photos with my trail camera. I'm still in the process of learning how to operate it.

The Hunter Alert was attached to the post with the brackets that came with it, at approximately 3 feet off the ground. It will work at the roughly 130 yard distance from my blind, but it is not reliable.

Many times the alert would go off by itself. Other times it wouldn't respond when I walked in front of it. Most of the time it appeared to be too sensitive. Maybe wind or grass blowing might have set it off, I don't know, but it kept going off without me walking in front of it.

Other times I would walk around in circles in front of it and it wouldn't sound at all. As a result, it's not reliable enough for me to trust for it's intended purpose.

I guess it's back to the drawing boardf for a sensor. At least the Hunter Alert was only $20, so it's not like I'm out a lot of money. It would have been great if it would work properly.

By the way, I found fresh coyote droppings at the bait site. My bait is all gone, but at least one has been there.

Any suggestions on a cheap unit that WORKS? I don't want to spend a lot of money for one, if it's possible to get a good, cheap one.

David
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 03:57 PM

I just got my hunter alert and am experimenting with it around the house, checking battery life and cold weather operation,17 outside now will drop to single digits tonight, one in the garage, one outside, and one in the house, will check on distance in the next couple of days
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 04:18 PM

6mm06
I got the driveway patrol sensor and it is probably about the same thing as yours.

The instructions on mine said the ground might interfere with it and send false signals. It said raise it to about 3 to 4 feet off the ground. Also it said it may be too sensitive and that I might have to put a strip of elect tape on both sides of the sensor to calm it down and it worked.
Now the only time I get false signals is when the sun first comes out. The infrared senses the heat change, but it calms down a few minutes after the sun comes out.

Hope this helps.

Jim
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 04:58 PM

Jackindistress
I am haveing trouble with them frosting up. I had the bait totaly torn up with no pictures(Bushnell) then I set the second camera(Remington) and then got some photos. I bought 2 Bushnell Moone Phase from Wal-Mart and even threw bear and deer seasion I did not think they were getting all of the photos and I was right. So I set up my cheep old Remington Gost camera and got the most of the pictures but still not all because it did not get me when I walked in on the bait.

6mm06
Thanks ,I should have had this set up years ago but I thought my dogs would keep them away,then one morning in Oct my lab went out back and got into a peeing contest with some yotes they tried to get him in the woods it went on for about 15-20 min. So I went down wind 30 min later about 1/2 mile away and put out my Wildlife Tech E-Caller and it was about 2 min and I shot the first one then I put on a coyote in distress and the second one came right to the same place the #4 buck piled that one also. Man what a rush calling coyotes. I am a die hard deer hunter but I would shoot a coyote over a 8 point buck any day.

Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 05:03 PM


Thanks Jim. I may have to tape it a bit and see what happens. I set it approximately 3' off the ground or maybe a tad bit more.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 05:15 PM

I think my alarm is the same as Jim's. I have the Driveway Patrol.

Here are some things that I found when setting mine up:
1: Although it says effective up to 400 feet, I found that it is not reliable past about 80-90 yards.

2: Mount it on a wood post. Since the unit at the bait is a transmitter, you should mount it on a wood or plastic post. Metal can effect the antenna.

3: Mount it at least 4 feet off the ground and place the bait 15-20 feet away from the transmitter. The greater the distance from the sensor the wider the beam will be. Just don't get it so far that it won't sense the object moving in front of it.

4: If it goes off when there is no animal in front of it you can reduce the sensitivity by placing a strip of tape along each side of the sensor window. You will have to experiment on how much of the window you need to cover up.

5: Placing it so that the sensor window faces away from the sun will help to prevent false alarms.

6: If you have the transmitter, lets say 90 yards from the receiver and you can get it to respond but not all of the time, try facing the transmitter another direction. In other words, if you have the sensor lens pointing in the general direction of the receiver, try turning it 45 degrees at a time until you get a better signal.

7: The Driveway Patrol model operates on the 434Mhz FM frequency. Keep the line of sight as open as possible between the transmitter and receiver. If you are near the effective range, moving the receiver or the transmitter even a couple of feet can make the difference in whether or not you get a reliable signal.

8: When I get some time to mess with it I am going to see if I can build an external antenna that will have a higher gain than the small internal antenna that comes on the receiver. That probably isn't going to happen though for awhile because I have mine working well enough for the time being, but I will try and develop a better antenna system before next winter.


Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 05:15 PM

6mm06
As you saw in the photo I have the Chamberlian wireless motion alert from Radio Shack and the base can be pluged into the hime or use batteries it comes with 1 sensor but it will take upto 8 sensors. It says its range is 1/2 mile but I dont think thats true. I have 4 out and one is 220 yds and it seems to work fine. It may be more then you want to spend $94 tax and all.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 05:22 PM

6mm06,
I forgot to mention, both coyotes in the pictures above were taken using the XLR250 Red light mounted on a Savage Weather Warrior in 223 caliber. Distance on both of those coyotes was a little over 100 yards in CRP (mowed prairie grass).
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 05:31 PM

All this crap that comes from China, it looks like we are stuck with a lot of it. Them Chinamans they don't know how to speak English much less wright instructions, but us red blooded Americans, it ain't like we don't know anything about electronics. We can figure it out sooner or later.

Here I am trying to find my bait pile from under 1-1/2 ft of snow.



Jim
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 07:17 PM

Today I put out some fox urin around the baited area. I use this also when I am trapping coyotes and cats it comforts them knowing another of their kind has been there.We will see...
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 08:08 PM

Thanks Scalloper
I just remembered I have some Bobcat urine I have had for years. I hope it is still good. I just put some around my bait pile.

Jim
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
All this crap that comes from China, it looks like we are stuck with a lot of it. Them Chinamans they don't know how to speak English much less wright instructions, but us red blooded Americans, it ain't like we don't know anything about electronics. We can figure it out sooner or later.

Here I am trying to find my bait pile from under 1-1/2 ft of snow.



Jim


Now that...is Conservation Dedication, Jim..
Digging out the survival food for the hungry creature's of the land...I give you 2 thumbs up!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 08:46 PM

Scalloper,

While $94 isn't cheap, I would pay it if it works well. If it works good for you at 220 yards, surely it would work at my 130 yard place.


Jackindistress,

Thanks for the information about the sensors. I'm new to this sort of thing, so I'm very much in learning mode.

By covering up the sides of the sensor, I assume you guys mean the white part in the photo, to cover a section on both sides and narrow down the sensor, correct?


I assume you guys mean to cover the sensor here?

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 09:42 PM

6mm06
That is correct. You might have to experiment a little.

Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 10:36 PM

JID- you asked about the game cam lens getting frost on it, I have run cams for a few years and have not had that problem (yet). I set my cameras close to the bait and have them tilted downwards at an angle, maybe thats why ? just a guess
And nice goin on those yotes thumbup1
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 10:40 PM

Yeah David I forgot to tell you the other night NOT to point the sensors toward the Sun. And that goes for your Cam to. The sun will play tricks on Both! Try one of the other sensors to Dave........:)
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 10:48 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
JID- you asked about the game cam lens getting frost on it, I have run cams for a few years and have not had that problem (yet). I set my cameras close to the bait and have them tilted downwards at an angle, maybe thats why ? just a guess
And nice goin on those yotes thumbup1
I agree GG! My Bushnell Trophy Cam or my Stealth Cam has never frosted Lens because I angle them down about 15 Deg. Oh and one other thing you DONT want to do is Bring your Cam inside to change SD cards. They will warm up and cause internal condensation,And when you put them back out they Freeze and wont work right!!! Keep Goin........Jeff thumbup
Just a thought..That may be why the Frosting ohmy
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/06/11 11:16 PM


Jeff,

I didn't point the sensor toward the sun. Acutally it was cloudy and no sun. I did a bit of testing this afternoon on the farm. The sensor worked well at 130 yards or so, but it went off on it's own. Also, it wouldn't sound when I stepped in front of it, moving around etc. Not sure what to make of it just now.

I like the unit, the three sensors etc., especially the price. If I can get it work properly, then it's well worth the money. If not, then no great loss.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/07/11 02:03 AM

We have had several mornings when every thing was covered in frost including the bottom of it. I don't even take the camera down to check images. I carry my digital camera when I go to check the trail cams and just pull the sd card and put it in my digital camera to view the images.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/07/11 12:03 PM

Made this up today, was thinking that it would be nice to video some of the hunts out of the blinds where the gun is on a solid rest, and being that I always carry this small cannon with a 10X zoom with on the hunts, it would be right in line with the rifle. Also on a set of shooting sticks. Basically both of my calling rifles have a weaver style top cap on the scope all I did was use a scope mount, a small chunk of aluminum bar stock, drill a few holes to secure the bar to the mount, drill a hole in the front to mount the camera with a 1/4 in bolt into the tripod mount on the camera. Set the camera in movie mode when something is coming in turn on the camera, zoom in if desired, and movie. Thumb screw for the mount on the scope and thumb screw on the camera mount, all comes apart to carry in a pocket.

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/07/11 12:51 PM

dannyk
That is really slick as long as the weight of the camera doesn't knock your scope out of kilter on recoil.

Jim
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/07/11 04:39 PM

nice lefty dannyk. i'm a lefty too, just never tried a left ar yet.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/07/11 08:55 PM


DannyK,

I'm anxious to see how your camera works out. Be sure to keep us posted.

This evening I went to the farm and set my new trail camera. It was snowing at the time and we are expected to get more tonight and tomorrow.

There were fresh coyote droppings at this site yesterday, so hopefully in a day or two I'll have some photos. We'll see.


I really like the looks and size of this camera, the Wildgame Innovations X6C. If it takes photos as good as it looks, then I'll be one happy guy.








You can see my blind on the hillside in the background. Distance is roughly 130 yards.





Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/07/11 10:16 PM

Like Mr. T. used to say,"I pity the fool"!
Dave, you are gonna "Take'em to the house" with that set-up!
I hope you turn that x6c to video. Then wait for one to step in front of it. That camera will do double duty, as a Hunt Recorder. You have 30 seconds to pull the trigger.Then when you put the sd card in your 'puter? Good times!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 08:13 AM

We got a light snow fall yesterday afternoon and last night so I went out back of my home this morning to check for tracks and see how close the yotes came to my bait pile with the motion sensor and light. Well the area was loaded with tracks but they would walk to within 35-40 feet of my bait pile with the light on it but held up and would not come the extra and play whistle. The bait pile back another 100 yds is all but cleaned up but they still check it out. I did get two trail cam pictures and you can see my light in the background. The flood light is red,I thought this would be better then a regular 100 watt flood light but I am not sure.


They are still checking out the area everynight. Its been 8 days sence I turned the light on but I am still confident they will come in and play cool I will be waiting.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:04 AM

Scalloper,
I'm curious how your going to harvest these dog's. Will you see the light on, then sneak out there? Do you have a blind set-up some where?
I think the 'yotes "might", get used to the light. But i am not sold on that idea. Iam jealous of all the snow you got there....
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:10 AM

Nothing much going on here. Just a Fox or two hanging around. Breeding season is not far away. The 'yotes will be on the move. Found some 22.250 ammo on sale. Got 100 round's of that.Dropped my gun walking through the woods. Enjoyed that some.......


Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:19 AM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
Scalloper,
I'm curious how your going to harvest these dog's. Will you see the light on, then sneak out there? Do you have a blind set-up some where?
I think the 'yotes "might", get used to the light. But i am not sold on that idea. Iam jealous of all the snow you got there....

On page 15 I explain my set up. When they come near the bait pile closest to my home my motion sensor will alert me and I can shoot 71 yds from a window. This same setup is used by 8-10 guys in this area. It always takes awhile for the coyote to get use to the light but after 1-2 weeks they always have for other guys.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:20 AM

6mm06
Is that a box you put bait in???
If so why do you put your bait in a box???
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:22 AM

Scalloper,
My neighbor had coyotes coming up in their yard and eating the cat food at night. She got some video of a coyote one night with her x10 security camera. She put a very small light out on the side of the house hoping to get some better pictures. The coyotes never would come in close enough to get the food after she put up the light.

I have my doubts that they will ever get hungry enough to come under the light but I guess you never know until you try it. If I had that much activity around a bait though, I would ditch the flood light and use a gun mounted light and be killing coyotes.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Originally Posted By: weaponx
Scalloper,
I'm curious how your going to harvest these dog's. Will you see the light on, then sneak out there? Do you have a blind set-up some where?
I think the 'yotes "might", get used to the light. But i am not sold on that idea. Iam jealous of all the snow you got there....

On page 15 I explain my set up. When they come near the bait pile closest to my home my motion sensor will alert me and I can shoot 71 yds from a window. This same setup is used by 8-10 guys in this area. It always takes awhile for the coyote to get use to the light but after 1-2 weeks they always have for other guys.


Thanks Brother.. I'll check out your set-up on page 15. Man this baiting thread is getting big! I think it could live for year's too come! Fun stuff!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Scalloper,
My neighbor had coyotes coming up in their yard and eating the cat food at night. She got some video of a coyote one night with her x10 security camera. She put a very small light out on the side of the house hoping to get some better pictures. The coyotes never would come in close enough to get the food after she put up the light.

I have my doubts that they will ever get hungry enough to come under the light but I guess you never know until you try it. If I had that much activity around a bait though, I would ditch the flood light and use a gun mounted light and be killing coyotes.

As I said others have done ok with this setup but I understand what your saying,I would get many more oppertunities without the light. What kind of gun mounted light would you recomend? I have been thinking about getting set up for night hunting. I have a AR-15 RRA Varmit special. Will they run when I light them up? Thanks
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 10:44 AM

Scalloper,
I am using the EWT XLR250 light with the red LED. They have been giving me plenty of time for a shot when I light them up with it. When my alarm goes off I use the outer edge of the beam to find their eyes and then when I put the cross hairs on them they are in the center bright spot of the beam.

The thing is amazing!!! If you look back a few pages you can find pictures of some that I have taken with it this year.

You can buy the light here;
http://www.boondock-outdoors.com/EWT_Kill-lights.html
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:05 AM

Thanks I will buy this. Sometimes it tough figuring out which would be best for my hunting. So you think this light will work out to 80-150 yds? Which color do you have? Which color do I need for bare ground and snow?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:14 AM

The ones I have taken using my XLR250 have ranged from about 90 to 130 yards. If you have a decent quality scope you should be good to go. If you have a rail on your AR, mount it ahead of the scope. Even using a halo shield (with it mounted on the scope) I can see better with the light mounted ahead of the scope. It works OK mounted on the scope but does a little better for me mounted out front.

It comes with batteries, mounts and charger and the clicky switch on cord. I don't use the extended switch with mine. I just use the push button on the back of the light.

Keep your scope turned down on the lower power works best at night. I have a 3-9X Redfield on my 223 and I have it set on 5 power for night shooting.

Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:26 AM

Any ideas on lens color?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Any ideas on lens color?


Red.

If you go down to the night hunting section they discuss these lights and color options quite a bit. Some guys are trying the green led but red is by far the most used. If you suddenly light up a coyote with a white light, be ready to shoot fast.

I had one the other night just stand there doing the head bob like he was trying to see under or over the red beam. If it had been a white light he would have been gone in an instant.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:59 AM

Thanks I just found the post you refered to. Ok its done Kill-light on its way Red from Boondocks. I may turn my flood light off and let them feed until my kill light gets here.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 12:22 PM

I use a Cajun Light.(coon hunter\wheat lamp).http://cajunlight.com/



It will last for DAYS! I leave it on for 6 hours at a time, when sitting on bait. I recharge it every 3 days or so. Great company too...If you have a problem. They will fix it.



Red lens on head unit..stick it on the bipod rail and point it anywhere..They are pricey though...$250.00 pesos. But It will be the last light you will most likely, ever need..IMHO...

Oh, and this is not, where I live. But you can see where the 'coons crawl through the window. Sometimes when I'm there being very quiet. I keep a large knife next to me at all times...
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 12:59 PM


WeaponX,

Does the camera have the capability of taking both stills and video, or does it have to be set for only one? I haven't learned a lot about it just yet, just enough to set it. I have it set for photos right now.

GrizzlyHunter,

I had a baitcicle in a round bucket, and to keep it from rolling down the hillside, I put in the the box. The hillside is probably a bit steeper than it looks in the photo. Once I had the box there, I just decided to leave it. It doesn't seem to affect the coytoes since there were droppings within a foot or so of the box recently. Next baitcicle I make, I plan to try Jeff's idea of a PVC pipe and slip the whole thing over a stake.

Also, I had a hog head that I chained to a metal stake. All the meat was one from it within about two days. I then placed the skull in the box. Next time I visited it was gone. If a coyote didn't get it, then maybe a dog.

A local meat processor at a grocery store gave me some old meat scraps the other day, so I placed a small steak in the box yesterday. Just giving the yotes enough to keep them coming back.

We got a pretty good snow last night, so I plan to go to the farm this afternoon and check things out. My camera may need clearing of snow.


Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
The ones I have taken using my XLR250 have ranged from about 90 to 130 yards. If you have a decent quality scope you should be good to go. If you have a rail on your AR, mount it ahead of the scope. Even using a halo shield (with it mounted on the scope) I can see better with the light mounted ahead of the scope. It works OK mounted on the scope but does a little better for me mounted out front.

It comes with batteries, mounts and charger and the clicky switch on cord. I don't use the extended switch with mine. I just use the push button on the back of the light.

Keep your scope turned down on the lower power works best at night. I have a 3-9X Redfield on my 223 and I have it set on 5 power for night shooting.


This is my AR

With the only pic rail in frount of the scope ahead of the fore stock I am not sure where I could mount the kill-lite other then on the scope.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 01:31 PM

Scalloper,
PM coming your way concerning light mounting.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 01:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Scalloper,
PM coming your way concerning light mounting.




Jackindistress
My gun has the same set up as Scalloper could you pass the info to me also-thanks
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 01:58 PM

6mm06


I find it hard to keep up with bait also sometimes it will set awhile and then a pack will move in my area and eat a 5gal baitsicle overnight.And I can tell ya that those buckets are heavy when topped off with water.I freeze mine solid and then let them thaw just enough to let them slid out of the bucket.
Your box on the bait pile was a good idea,when I get a large bait I have a wire on a steel stake driven in the ground that I can attach the wire to the carcas.
I loose most of my bait to the crows they can sure eat a lot.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Scalloper,
PM coming your way concerning light mounting.




Jackindistress
My gun has the same set up as Scalloper could you pass the info to me also-thanks


Info sent via PM.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 02:21 PM

Just a small story.
About 30 years ago I tried baiting for the first time and have been hooked ever since.I traped to make a extra income in the winter months as there was no work in the winter.I noticed alot yote tracks around my carcas graveyard.So I built a shack in the edge of the woods overlooking a frozen lake and put out about 20 beaver carcus and bingo yotes came to the pile on the ice.
I dont hunt the lake anymore because I now hunt a powerline which is easy to get to with out making any noise or as much chance of the critters seeing me get to the blind.
Back when I started baiting yotes I never heard of anyone baiting or even a web site to help out other guys or get info from.
So enough BS I gotta get dressed a kill some coyotes(I hope)
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 02:24 PM

Thanks Jack I will read it as soon as I get back from hunting.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 02:58 PM


GrizzlyHunter,

Yea, I too have a metal stake in the ground and a dog leash (chain) attached where I can tie down a carcas. The round baitcicle was yet another problem since it would roll.

You are right about the crows eating a lot of the bait, hawks too.

I checked the camera a few minutes ago, only photos of myself. It snowed quite a bit last night, so I think everything is holed up. Will probably see activity after the storm stops and the weather begins to break.

Here are the first photos of the new camera. One I quickly got the camera out of sleep mode and it took a photo of the site. The second one I walked in front to trip it, and the third one I don't know what happened with all that pink. That was today when I went to check it.

Looks like I need to lower the camera view a bit.








What happened here? This was taken today when I went to check the camera. Also, the
temperature is definitely colder than what the photos indicated yesterday. Today's temp
at 24 degrees is about right.





Area, taken with a digital still camera




Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 03:09 PM

For your baitcicle, to keep if from rolling or getting carried off - take a small rod, pvc pipe or dog chain and drop down the center of the bucket before your freeze it. Leave enough stick out so that you can tie your anchor line on to it.

It was 14* above with 30+ mph wind here this morning. Not much moving here either.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 03:31 PM

If I were to make one of those baitcicles, I would run the PVC pipe through the center til the end met the bottom of the bucket, freeze it, then remove the cicle from the bucket and run a chain through the pvc pipe and link the two ends of the chain. Then loop the chain around an anchor stake of sorts. Chain could be left out at the bait site.
Since we don't have yotes to worry about here (thank goodness) I just cut my deer sections up, run a wire through the meat, make a loop at the end and freeze the sections 'til I'm ready to use them.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 03:32 PM

6mm06,
I have notice the temperature readings on some of the pictures taken with those cameras too. I think in one of Jim's, his was showing like 40 something and with about a foot and half of snow, it looked colder than that. I was going to ask him how cold it actually was.

You guys, Grizleyhunter, 6mm06, Scalloper and others sure do have some nice looking places.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 03:42 PM

My resident red showed up at 4:00p.m. That's a first!

And my Primos Truth Cam 60 is back working just fine. Yea!
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Scalloper,
PM coming your way concerning light mounting.




Jackindistress
My gun has the same set up as Scalloper could you pass the info to me also-thanks


Jack, would you mind passing the same info. on to me? My gun is set up like the others as well.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 03:52 PM

My night time hunting gun and set up, lazer, 250 kill light, and 4X16 Muller scope, its on a rimfire as thats all the law allows us to use, or a shotgun with no bucks shot, or slugs

Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter




Jack, would you mind passing the same info. on to me? My gun is set up like the others as well.


Sending pm.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
6mm06,
I have notice the temperature readings on some of the pictures taken with those cameras too. I think in one of Jim's, his was showing like 40 something and with about a foot and half of snow, it looked colder than that. I was going to ask him how cold it actually was.

You guys, Grizleyhunter, 6mm06, Scalloper and others sure do have some nice looking places.


Yeah that temp is not right on my Truth cam 60. It was in the teens that day.
When the temp gets above freezing the snow drops out of the trees. You can see they are still loaded.

Jim
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 07:17 PM

dannyk
Thats a nice set up.Does the laser help? Can you see it in the scope? Man you just saved me some $$'s as I was going to buy a better scope with lighted crosshairs.I have a nice Nikon scope but I was having a tough time seeing the fine crosshairs,I bet that laser would cure it...
Is your gun a 17 HMR or .22 Mag?
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 07:40 PM


Does anyone have an idea what happened with that pink photo today? I figure someone will say the Pink Panther showed up!!

Just hope there's nothing wrong with the camera, and I don't think there is, just can't explain why it didn't snap my photo when I approached it today.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 07:54 PM

I have two different cameras out on one bait and I dident get a photo of me when I walked to them today. I have used many different kinds between me and my buddies and none that I have seen work all of the time in all conditions. I think the cold bothers right now. I had a ton of tracks in frount of them both but only two photos.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 07:57 PM

It snowed so hard you had a "pink out" ?
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 07:59 PM

Coyote bait?
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
dannyk
Thats a nice set up.Does the laser help? Can you see it in the scope? Man you just saved me some $$'s as I was going to buy a better scope with lighted crosshairs.I have a nice Nikon scope but I was having a tough time seeing the fine crosshairs,I bet that laser would cure it...
Is your gun a 17 HMR or .22 Mag?

Scalloper, it a savage 17hmr, the lazer is adjusted dead on with the cross hairs at 60 yds, yes it stands out in the scope just fine.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 08:09 PM

Scalloper- I have two scopes with lighted x-hairs and they didn't cost an arm and a leg. They are NcStar brand. Might want to take a peek at their different magnifications. One of mine is a 6x24 50mm and the other one is 10x40 50mm. The illuminated x-hairs volume of light can be adjusted too, depending on natural light condition. One of my scopes got damaged by the airline when I was on a hunting trip. I called the company to order another scope and they told me to ship the busted scope back to them and they would replace it "free". AND THEY DID! How crazy is that?
Man, don't even think about using that for bait. I would fight off a coyote to eat some of that lobster.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 08:39 PM

dannyk
How good of a job does that 17 do? Man I shoot 1 or two a year with my 270 while deer hunting and most of the time they run off.

Gobbler
Thats what I have been pricing today was 50mm scopes with lited X-hairs and man $400-1300. I will check the ones you recomended.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Does anyone have an idea what happened with that pink photo today? I figure someone will say the Pink Panther showed up!!

Just hope there's nothing wrong with the camera, and I don't think there is, just can't explain why it didn't snap my photo when I approached it today.



It looks like a problem with the CCD (Charge-Coupled Device). That is the image sensor in the camera. It is the equivalent of film in a regular camera. It processes the image for storage on the internal memory or SD card. It can be also be caused by humidity within the camera. Had you taken it from one extreme temperature to another shortly before the image was taken? Cold weather does funny (or not so funny) things to digital cameras. If it is real cold they are slow to respond or may not respond at all. My Fuji digital will often not turn on if it is much below freezing.

My nephew is a camera guru. I will send him a copy of the pink image and ask him what he thinks it is. It very well could be just the cold weather combined with high humidity.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:19 PM

Scalloper, can't really tell you, the gun is new and only been out once with it so far, lots of debate about the caliber, I will keep the shots close but it is much more accurate than my 22 mag. I have seen some pretty impressive things with a friends 17 so time will tell. Wish we could use center fires here at night. Two of my bait stands are between 50 and 60 yards so those shots will be close if something comes in. Also we just got dumped on by lake effect snow around 18 inches and still snowing so it may be slow again for a while.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:42 PM


Scalloper: Here is the link to the scope I have on my rifle, sorry I didn't post this earlier.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/ncstar-illum...sefr62450g.html
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 09:52 PM


Hey Gobblergetter,
How about you and I sneak over to Scalloper's place and get that lobster before the yotes do? We could eat on that thing for days.

Jackindistress,
I set the camera yesterday evening and got the two photos I posted earlier, one with me in the scene. I returned this afternoon to check it out, and deliberately walked in front of it to get a photo of me. I retrieved the card in the camera and replaced it with another one, and noticed the pink photo when I got home. The two photos it took yesterday evening were pretty good, especially since it was getting late in the evening.

The camera sat all night without action until I tried it this afternoon, getting the pink photo. Maybe the cold got to it. I hope it doesn't continue that, or not often at least.

DannyK,
I hate to hear you aren't able to use anything other than a rimfire, but the .17 HMR will still drop 'em with head shots. I'm like you in that the HMR is more accurate than a .22 mag, making head shots much easier. Don't get me wrong, I like the .22 mag, but the HMR is just more accurate and I have more faith in it. A lot of game has been taken with small calibers and bullets placed where they need to go.

We shot groundhogs this past summer with rimfires, mainly the .17 HMR and .22 mag. Some of the HMR shots were around the 100 yard mark and one or two over that. Both cartridges were effective. We took several with head shots from the HMR, and ALL were DRT at the scene. The .22 mag worked ok, but wasn't as accurate in general, so we mainly had body shots with it - 40 gr. Winchester Super X HP mostly. Several of the body-shot groundhogs ran a distance, dead on their feet, but ran nonetheless. The head-shot hogs with the HMR dropped right there.

Groundhogs are not as large as coyotes, but they can be tough little critters and take some solid hits and still run to the den. If there's any comparison to be made by our experience this past summer, I would say the HMR will collect coyote pelts for you, provided you do you part putting that tiny little bullet where it needs to go.

Be sure to keep us posted. I'm anxious to see photos and read about dead coyotes with your rifle.

David

Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 10:51 PM

Shootem in the eye! I use to practice at night using two Thumb Tack Reflectors set at 2.5-3" apart on cardboard. Setem out at various ranges and aim between them using your red light,They realy shine like a Yote. Its alittle differant but you get real good at it...:)
I say Shootem in the eye if your shooting a 17HMR or ot may bounce of the forhead. cursing
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:22 PM

[quote=6mm06]
WeaponX,

Does the camera have the capability of taking both stills and video, or does it have to be set for only one? I haven't learned a lot about it just yet, just enough to set it. I have it set for photos right now.


David,
You would have to set the camera for one or the other. I truely have not set my x6c, to anything other than video's. I like to see action vs. stills. And as far as the pink photo...mine does that from time to time. I think that the SD CARDS, from time to time, need reconfigured. My windows 7 does it for me.
I also have the camera set for High everything: resolution,30 sec reset, etc. I think it was Jackindistress that said,"don't bring the camera inside to change sd cards". They thaw out and then leave moisture inside the lens. only to freeze later.
He's right...
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:35 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
[quote=6mm06]
WeaponX,
I think it was Jackindistress that said,"don't bring the camera inside to change sd cards". They thaw out and then leave moisture inside the lens. only to freeze later.
He's right...
No Weaponx that was me! I have done it and learned the hard way. rolleyes
also I set mine for 5 mega pixels,8 is to grainy. and I wouldn't set mine for the next shot any quicker than 1 minute,it gives the Ir time to recoup. Otherwise on mine I will get Black or Dark Vid/Pics.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:36 PM


Thanks.

Maybe the pink photo is just a deal that doesn't happen often.

As to the camera, I took it to the field yesterday evening and it's been there since, haven't taken it into the house or any warm place. The first two photos were good.

I'm anxious to see what happens in a few days, hopefully some good photos.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:43 PM

Sorry WB45. Forgive me...I knew when I read that info. I had done it and suffered the consequences...It's like a light went on..........Thank you...
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:43 PM

Dave I don't have any idea what could cause PINK PICS,its the first time I ever seen any.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/08/11 11:46 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
Sorry WB45. Forgive me...I knew when I read that info. I had done it and suffered the consequences...It's like a light went on..........Thank you...
No problems! Just didn't want confusion lol
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 09:10 AM

David- A lobster run to Scalloper's does sound good. "coyote bait"- he's funny.
Weapon hit on a good point about the SD cards in the game cams. The SD cards will store little bits of information on them when used in devices. Sometimes if you view the pictures or videos on your comput. then just erase them, some of the data may not be completly taken off the card and may cause a glitch in the game cam next time its used. Also, if you use that SD card in different devices the SD card will store info from one device that may cause a malfuntion when inserted into another device. I've now gotten into the habit of just formatting my SD card after viewing the pics/vids each time.
Jim- the Primos TC 60 camera you and I have has a format option on the camera. The folks at Primos said it is still best to format the cards on the computer. Perhaps that feature on their camera is not quite up to snuff yet. ? Ya'll know how disappointing it is to pop that card into a reader of some sorts, only to find botched up or no pictures at all. Come on, those who have run cameras a time or two know the feeling. . . like when you were a kid and the box of Cracker Jacks you just opened had no toy surprise inside ohmy . . .um-hum, that's the one.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 10:54 AM

Went out this morning for a short set,6 degrees wow my toes got cold.
Anyway I ordered a trail cam Reconyx HC 600 hyperfire high output covert IR no red glow with two 8gb cards and NIMH batteries.
I am as DUMB AS A DOOR KNOB when it comes to this kinda stuff so I hope I can lean on you fellas to help me figure out how to run it when I get it.
I ordered it from Cabelas and it is on back order so it will be some time until I get it.
This will be placed at my bait pile to help see what time of day they move the most.
Posted by: Three 44s

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 11:03 AM

Hey ....... stuff that lobster into one of these .......

....... chain it down .........


http://www.petmountain.com/product//11442-105307/kong-extreme-kong-ideal-for-powerful-chewers.html


And at the end of the day ........ you can still eat most of it yourself!!!


Best regards


Three 44s
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 11:45 AM

Griz- The Reconyx has gotten some good reviews. Its supposed to have one of the highest trigger speeds. That's a nice camera. Post some pics when you get it going.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 11:51 AM

GG
I just format my cards in camera, it seems to work out OK.

This link might be interesting to some. Don't know how it's going to work out.

Predator Control
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 02:50 PM


Nice site, Jim. Hopefully you will get some good replies with photos and stories.

I meant to ask you about the window in your building. What kind is it? You probably said way back in the post somewhere, but I'm too lazy to go back and search.

I'm thinking about what kind of window I need if and when I decide to build a permanent hunting blind. I do video work sometimes, so I need a window that is long (side to side) so the camera can be put into use. I generally sit with the camera to my right, beside me, so a good long left-to-right view is needed for both camera and rifle.

Any suggestions on a window or a design that will be quiet and not spook the yotes?

Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 02:58 PM

Well Grizhunter,that is going to be a NICE camera! I have heard they are the best..Might think about the lock box for that bad boy. Can't wait to see the pic's from that. Maybe turn it to video once or twice. If it has it..

Last night there was a lot of coyote movement. My dog was barking and the 'yote alarm was going off! I was out there for 5 hours and could only shoot once at a dog. Took a shot with Hornady 55 gr. v-max's. AGAIN....Another run-off! I'm putting those junk things away. And yes, I sighted my rifle in the other day. It's on! Maybe I'm not, but it is.lol..


But I did draw blood......


Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 03:04 PM

6mm06
Her is where I got my window. It opens from both sides. I keep my spot light on one side and my rifle on the other.

Click here
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 03:19 PM

weaponx,
Not sure what is going on with your V-Max. I have used them for several years and have had really good results with them. I shoot them out of 223 and 22-250 and usually the coyote is DRT. Maybe try a soft point instead of the plastic tip?? They are harder to get a good hit on at night.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 03:19 PM

6mm06
I meant to tell you I got the 24x11 clear. You can get one up to 48x11 clear or gray. I prefer the clear. They are very quite when opening.

Jim
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
weaponx,
Not sure what is going on with your V-Max. I have used them for several years and have had really good results with them. I shoot them out of 223 and 22-250 and usually the coyote is DRT. Maybe try a soft point instead of the plastic tip?? They are harder to get a good hit on at night.


Thanks JID....They have performed less than expected.I just bought a bunch of Whinny white box 45grainers\hollow. They have been,"Life takers and heart breakers". But I thought i would try the Hornady's. Just an experiment to see what works and what doesn't. Not the end of the world...Hate wounding and loseing though..
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 03:51 PM

Really not a whole lot of difference between the 2...




Also got a new Deke for breeding season. Looks good to me. I took it out last weekend. Didn't see any dogs. The 'coons looked at it and just walked off. like it was nothing.





Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 06:53 PM

Thanks Jim, that's a really good looking window. I'll remember that one when it comes time.

Today I went to the farm again to check out the trail camera. No tracks around, so I deliberately walked in front of the camera to do some testing. Then I switched SD cards and took the other one home to the computer.

One photo was taken before I got to the farm, don't know what tripped it since there were no tracks in the snow. The photos supposedly of me were all pink, 4 of them. I have since brought the camera home to play with it in the back yard and try to determine what is going on with it.

The one photo I got today that was tripped by an unknown source, is great quality. It's hard to get much better than this one.


This camera takes great photos - WHEN it takes them. I've got to figure this pink stuff out.



Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 10:37 PM

David a Bird flying through can trip it. I have had several of these...Nice Pic! smile
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/09/11 10:40 PM

David Monday call the 800# in your booklet and ask them about your Pink Pics....Hmmm Also ask them why its 68 Deg. with all that snow
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 01:34 AM

If the sun shines on your camera that will run the temp up quite a bit. My truth cam 60 is never right in the day time if the sun gets to it. If you notice the night pictures will be right.

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 10:54 AM

Well ladies and gentlemen, this ole coyote hunter just about couldn't get himself talked into getting out of a nice warm bed and trudging off into the cold predawn air in pursuit of the wily ole coyotes this morning. Yesterday morning it was 5 above and windy. I finally rolled out at 6:am and checked the temperature and it was a balmy 23 degrees with an east wind about 10mph.

I figured if I didn't go I would get on here and gobblergetter would have a whole stack of fox pictures posted so I gathered my stuff and headed out.

I circled around so I could come into my north bait location from downwind and it was already getting daylight when I came up over the hill to where I could see the bait out in the CRP field. Something was there at the bait but looking through the brush, I couldn't tell for sure if it was a coyote or not. I slipped back down the hill and circled a little more so I would have a better view when I got within view of the bait again. I crawled to where I thought I would have a shot and slowly got up on my knees and it was a coyote feeding on the bait.

I got my rifle on the shooting sticks and about the time I got him lined up in the scope he lifted his head and I though he was going to take off but I guess he was just looking. At the sound of my shot he dropped right where he was standing.

I was at the edge of the brush behind me in this picture;



In this picture you can see the corn planter that I use for planting food plots is setting next to the brush. My hunting blind is just to the right of it and I was just a little ways behind them when I shot him.



We are supposed to get more snow tonight and tomorrow so it should be good hunting.

Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 11:12 AM

Hey weaponx,
Do you load your own ammo or are you shooting factory loads? I usually have really good luck with the V-max bullets but I have had a couple here lately that made a mess out of the coyotes. Would not have been happy if I was saving the fur.

I think part of the reason is that I usually carry my 22-250 when I am hunting the river bottom and shots there are usually 200 yards or so. Almost always at that distance there is no exit. This year I have busted a couple at less than 100 yards with it and it is leaving a big hole.

I don't have that problem with my 223 but it of course has less velocity than the 22-250.

For many years when I was saving fur, I used the Sierra 52 grain hollow point boat tail match bullet in my 22-250's. I had really good luck with it. Since that is a match bullet, it has a thicker jacket and doesn't blow up as much if you hit bone. I had more exit wounds with it but they were usually small.

I need to load more ammo before long and I think I am going to order some more of the Sierra match bullets.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 11:26 AM

Great job. Killum all let God sortum out...
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 12:03 PM


Jackindistress,

I know exactly what you mean about getting out of a nice warm bed. It's a struggle to do, especially the older I get. But, we can't kill them from bed unless it's in a dream.

Gobblergetter seemed to be the motivation behind your decision, and I guess we all need a little motivation sometimes.

Nice job on the coyote.



Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 01:50 PM

well I got out this morning, 6 degrees, drove south some into the area where there is lots of wolf sign, and thought if I didn't call in a coyote, maybe a wolf would show and I could at least get some footage from the camera, of course nothing showed. I then went to the bait station north of my house, sat there for about an hour, nothing showed not even ravens, but I did run the camera for a bit mounted on the rifle. When I left and was walking back to the truck down the two track road one coyote had crossed the road right over my tracks.Video is about 15 seconds long taken from the blind, bait station is in the picture 100 yds away camera on 10X
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Hey weaponx,
Do you load your own ammo or are you shooting factory loads? I usually have really good luck with the V-max bullets but I have had a couple here lately that made a mess out of the coyotes. Would not have been happy if I was saving the fur.

I think part of the reason is that I usually carry my 22-250 when I am hunting the river bottom and shots there are usually 200 yards or so. Almost always at that distance there is no exit. This year I have busted a couple at less than 100 yards with it and it is leaving a big hole.

I don't have that problem with my 223 but it of course has less velocity than the 22-250.

For many years when I was saving fur, I used the Sierra 52 grain hollow point boat tail match bullet in my 22-250's. I had really good luck with it. Since that is a match bullet, it has a thicker jacket and doesn't blow up as much if you hit bone. I had more exit wounds with it but they were usually small.

I need to load more ammo before long and I think I am going to order some more of the Sierra match bullets.


JID...
I don't load my own. Factory Whinny white box is good enough. I have way too many hobbies and a full-time job. Add 4 kid's to the mix,(grown and gone,"for now"). Loading is not on the table for now.
I'm not saying the Hornady's don't harvest 'yotes. Many guys on here use 'em. My experiment has proven less than expected for the money. I still have some left. I will do more testing, for a complete,"Big picture".

Oh and way too go on this morning 'yote. You are pileing them up!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 06:16 PM

Those white box Winchesters are good stuff.
Posted by: justshoot

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 06:33 PM

I found a dead deer right after deer season that a coyote (from the tracks)was eating only the rump roast. Weeks have past and the deer carcass has not be touched by anything other then crows and small animals. I can see this from around 100 plus yards away. With snow on the ground and over three weeks, nothing.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 07:03 PM

Jackindistress
Nice yote and I like your set up,looks like you could even get a shot if they were running.
Good job
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 07:26 PM

Went out this evening and heard the yotes start wake a up barking pow-wow and 5 minutes later this guy tried to get across my shooting lane,he did not make it.
The other yotes were still barking until I shot then all got quiet.




SIDE BAR---Buy the time you airplane boys get it figured out I will have killed them all.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 07:28 PM

Nice one !!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
6mm06
Her is where I got my window. It opens from both sides. I keep my spot light on one side and my rifle on the other.

Click here


Hey Jim,
Thanks for posting the link to those windows. I bookmarked that for future use.

Gary
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 07:44 PM

Dannyk
Good looking country I have hunted up in Hancock a few times and missed a few up there.I hunt up there the last week of season when the snow has had a chance to melt down some.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 09:00 PM

Nice going, GrizzlyHunter.

I took my trail camera back to the farm today and set it. After playing around with it at home, and reformatting the cards, it seems to be working ok with both stills and video.

When I got to the farm, I noticed coyote tracks near the bait, but it wouldn't go up to the bait, just went around it. I guess it's spooked or probably smelled where I had been yesterday evening.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 09:15 PM

6mm06
I have had yotes do that many many times,Baiting is not the perfect answer all the time but it does at least put them where you can get a shot,or at least keep them close to your hunting area.I think that their dog instinct kicks in and they like to eat what they can chase and kill.
I would not be so sure that they smelled you as much as it is just not how they hunt to survive.
But when I take out fresh bait I am very aware of what I touch etc.I also put my hunting boots on the the bait a few times while I am walking on my trail to leave bait sent in the trail.
Also drag some bait in the same trail while I walk in it helps alot.
Posted by: 4059

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 10:04 PM

Hi Everyone: I really enjoy reading all the great input. I purchased my ist digital camera just before Christmas, a stealth cam unit. I put it out the same night I got it, what I've noticed is the 8 AA batteries last 1-3 days when it is really cold (like 10 deg. or colder).I am already getting tired of changing them & reprogramming the camera. Seriously thinking about putting out an rv deep cycle battery that will last a month, hopefully. Or buy the smaller setup from stealth cam a maybe having to charge it once a week. Any helpful thoughts are appreciated.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/10/11 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
Dannyk
Good looking country I have hunted up in Hancock a few times and missed a few up there.I hunt up there the last week of season when the snow has had a chance to melt down some.

Griz we had a good crust and not much snow after the meltdown New Years weekend, was easy to get around but noisy, this past Friday into Saturday we got a big dump of lake effect snow so things changed in a hurry.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Since we don't have yotes to worry about here (thank goodness)


gobblergetter, what part of MD are you hunting (Im guessing eastern shore)?? Just curious cause they are thin over here but they are definitely here! Im hunting Frederick/Washington counties. We're over-run with the red fox just the same, thats really what Im after when calling but I just started a bait-sicle this evening. Im'a try this baiting thing out and see if it cant give me another crack at a yote. Ive had one respond to the call this year but hung up at the woods edge (no light under a full moon). Called in a double last year and took both, but those are the only visuals in two years. Trapper friends are getting a few up in the mountains. [beeep], Ive called two bobcats this year...need to start carrying some sorta camera....Oh well either way the reds are just as exciting especially when they'd like to jump in your lap!

Craig
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 06:33 AM

Dobro- I'm in the good 'ol Southern part - tobacco land (what's left of it). It's good to hear you guys up north aren't over-run with yotes yet. Yep, closed season on bobcat in MD. I don't even think to look for them, they're even more scarce here than the yotes, I assume. With lots of reds, sounds like you have farm fields you're hunting on. Do you see any greys? More greys here, I hunt the thicks, so I don't see as many reds. Please take out as many yotes as you can so they don't make their way to my place, -thanks. LOL!
Posted by: dubllung4

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 11:35 AM

Originally Posted By: 4059
Hi Everyone: I really enjoy reading all the great input. I purchased my ist digital camera just before Christmas, a stealth cam unit. I put it out the same night I got it, what I've noticed is the 8 AA batteries last 1-3 days when it is really cold (like 10 deg. or colder).I am already getting tired of changing them & reprogramming the camera. Seriously thinking about putting out an rv deep cycle battery that will last a month, hopefully. Or buy the smaller setup from stealth cam a maybe having to charge it once a week. Any helpful thoughts are appreciated.


Might want to give Stealth Cam a call and see what they say. There could be something wrong with the can. I have a Trophy Cam over a bait site and it has taken HUNDREDS of 10 second video clips, many at night. The 8AA's are still going strong here in the Michigan winter.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 07:37 PM

GG
Sense you are the Fox Pro,Can you tell by this picture, is this a red or a grey?

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 07:46 PM

Jim-Definate Grey. And a pretty one at that.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 07:54 PM

Thanks GG, Last night I got 42 pictures of several just like this one. Some times two and three at a time. I deleted them all, and then I thought about asking you which ones they are. that picture was from a few nights back.

Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 08:04 PM

Don't you shoot the fox? Or are you holding out for the motherlode: bobcat?
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 08:08 PM

A few greys here but the reds seem to keep em in check. A friend of mine traps and gets about 10 reds to 1 grey up on the mountains. Im hunting farms and state land in the valley and rarely see a grey.

Picked up 8 rib cages and a trash bag full of scraps from a friend. Bout got enough to start a good bait pile...

Craig
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 08:29 PM

JID- Nice drop on that yote there. In your first pic. the yote is smiling more than you. Shouldn't that be the other way around? wink
No stack of foxy pics, but a pic. of a stack of "wood rats"- One of my bait piles needed cleaning off last night grin
Hopefully I saved a few turkey eggs this spring coming.
Griz-Congrats on your fine yote too. Sounds like maybe there's more to come . . .
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 08:48 PM

GG
No I don't shoot the fox. The pelts are worth about $18.00
Not worth shooting plus I don't have anything that they bother. Nobody else around here have anything they bother that I know of.

Jim
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 09:00 PM

anyone tryed this light


http://www.opticsplanet.net/dorcy-flood-lite-wireless-led-motion-flashlight.html


thanks
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 09:08 PM


Don't know if anyone is interested or not, but since we have been talking a lot about trail cameras lately, I decided to post some video clips my son's cameras got on the family farm. They are at this link if you want to see.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...mp;#Post1791272
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 09:25 PM

CJ-Got'cha. They can be quite the menace on farm fowl. One night,several weeks ago, I heard my penned birds raising a rucus over the baby monitor I have inside the house. I grabbed my .22mag, ran for the door, scared the cat, tripped over the dog, and got outside to find a red bouncing around the pen chasing my birds. The fox was so engrossed with the birds slamming themselves into the side of the pen that it paid no attention to me bumbling around with the flashlight and gun. Within a short order he was down. Didn't loose any birds but a few got scrapped up from hitting the pen. I'm just glad that was one night I could shoot straight.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/11/11 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: happyyoter

Have not tryed that light but it sounds interesting. I just wonder what the battery life would be. Guessing OK since it is only on for short times. Here is a driveway/sidewalk light I picked up. I changed the smaller battery it came with to a 6v. and dropped it down in a coffee can for weather protection. The solar panel seems to do the job. Sensor clicks on dusk to dawn.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 01:41 AM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
JID- Nice drop on that yote there. In your first pic. the yote is smiling more than you. Shouldn't that be the other way around? wink
No stack of foxy pics, but a pic. of a stack of "wood rats"- One of my bait piles needed cleaning off last night grin
Hopefully I saved a few turkey eggs this spring coming.
Griz-Congrats on your fine yote too. Sounds like maybe there's more to come . . .
Wow,those look tasty? LOL
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 07:07 AM

Scalloper- I'll trade ya these deliscous trios for that lobster! I'll even through in a free recipe for 'possum mawl. lol
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 07:33 AM

Ha ha ya I dont blame you. Will any preditors eat possum? I went deer hunting on the Eastern shore of MD for two years,man I could not belive how many red fox I saw. I would see 3-7 aday but I have never seen a gray fox. I saw that red fox did ok at the last auction.
I hunted with Schraders and he was telling us that if anyone shot a coyote it would make the local news papper because there was very few in that area. I am very surprised I thought they were everywhere.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 02:34 PM

These pictures were taken last night. They are in sequence but all of them are not shown here. Very funny, these Foxes.

Hey this is good stuff!

Yeah but I see sometjing!

Nah you don't see any thing!

I'm out of here!

I see your back scaredy cat!

Maybe he did see something?

I'm out of here too!


Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Ha ha ya I dont blame you. Will any preditors eat possum? I went deer hunting on the Eastern shore of MD for two years,man I could not belive how many red fox I saw. I would see 3-7 aday but I have never seen a gray fox. I saw that red fox did ok at the last auction.
I hunted with Schraders and he was telling us that if anyone shot a coyote it would make the local news papper because there was very few in that area. I am very surprised I thought they were everywhere.


Not sure what all eats possum. ? I've seen them eat on another possum. I guess if anything gets hungry enough, they'll eat them. 10-4 on the shore's red fox. I've never hunted the Eastern shore but I hear they are loaded with red.
Hey Schraders is a pretty big outfit over there. Were you after white-tails or the elusive sikas (Maryland's 'lil elk)?
And yes, if a yote were to be killed it would make the local paper here as well. They are around, but very rare is a sighting of one. I'm hoping to be the first hunter in my parts to take one - just a personal goal. smile
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 06:07 PM

Jim, That same skunk was at my bait pile just the night before!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 07:53 PM


Nice Jim. At least you have some results. Things have been dead at my site lately, though one coyote did pass by wouldn't go near.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Ha ha ya I dont blame you. Will any preditors eat possum? I went deer hunting on the Eastern shore of MD for two years,man I could not belive how many red fox I saw. I would see 3-7 aday but I have never seen a gray fox. I saw that red fox did ok at the last auction.
I hunted with Schraders and he was telling us that if anyone shot a coyote it would make the local news papper because there was very few in that area. I am very surprised I thought they were everywhere.


Not sure what all eats possum. ? I've seen them eat on another possum. I guess if anything gets hungry enough, they'll eat them. 10-4 on the shore's red fox. I've never hunted the Eastern shore but I hear they are loaded with red.
Hey Schraders is a pretty big outfit over there. Were you after white-tails or the elusive sikas (Maryland's 'lil elk)?
And yes, if a yote were to be killed it would make the local paper here as well. They are around, but very rare is a sighting of one. I'm hoping to be the first hunter in my parts to take one - just a personal goal. smile

Ya Shraders is big,they were great the first year but I am not use to someone holding my hand while I hunt,but it was a great area and I would go back. I hunted whitetail. I would like to hunt the sikas at some point.(Trade for lobster???)LOL
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 09:58 PM

I am having trouble getting the coyotes to come into the light. The guys in this area said "they will come when they get acustome to the light" but the way I see it I am missing oppertunities. They have been coming to within 30-35 feet on my set-up for 10 days.
I read a artical in Trapper and Predator caller Dec 2010 by Andrew Lewand. he belives that predators see LED light less. So, where can I get a 110v LED flood light? Thanks
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I am having trouble getting the coyotes to come into the light. The guys in this area said "they will come when they get acustome to the light" but the way I see it I am missing oppertunities. They have been coming to within 30-35 feet on my set-up for 10 days.
I read a artical in Trapper and Predator caller Dec 2010 by Andrew Lewand. he belives that predators see LED light less. So, where can I get a 110v LED flood light? Thanks

Look here might be what you need
http://www.elusivewildlife.com/index.php?section=1
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 10:31 PM

Originally Posted By: dannyk
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I am having trouble getting the coyotes to come into the light. The guys in this area said "they will come when they get acustome to the light" but the way I see it I am missing oppertunities. They have been coming to within 30-35 feet on my set-up for 10 days.
I read a artical in Trapper and Predator caller Dec 2010 by Andrew Lewand. he belives that predators see LED light less. So, where can I get a 110v LED flood light? Thanks

Look here might be what you need
http://www.elusivewildlife.com/index.php?section=1


There are a few lights on this site, not sure if its what your looking for ?
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/led-light-110v.html
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/12/11 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I am having trouble getting the coyotes to come into the light. The guys in this area said "they will come when they get acustome to the light" but the way I see it I am missing oppertunities. They have been coming to within 30-35 feet on my set-up for 10 days.
I read a artical in Trapper and Predator caller Dec 2010 by Andrew Lewand. he belives that predators see LED light less. So, where can I get a 110v LED flood light? Thanks
Yotes don't like to be seen,they like the dark. Get yourself a Red Light and when they are on the Bait turn it on and Plug them. lol
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 07:32 AM

Its not that easy. They bolt when hit with a light. On pg 15 of this post you will see my set up.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 11:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I am having trouble getting the coyotes to come into the light. The guys in this area said "they will come when they get acustome to the light" but the way I see it I am missing oppertunities. They have been coming to within 30-35 feet on my set-up for 10 days.
I read a artical in Trapper and Predator caller Dec 2010 by Andrew Lewand. he belives that predators see LED light less. So, where can I get a 110v LED flood light? Thanks
Yotes don't like to be seen,they like the dark. Get yourself a Red Light and when they are on the Bait turn it on and Plug them. lol


Works for me. Plugged this one early this morning when she came in to the bait. Lit her up with the XLR250 Red LED and shot her with the 223. Distance was 182 yards checked with range finder.





That makes number 3 for the XLR250 in 7 days.

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 12:10 PM

Nice going jack. That's the same setup I have XLR250 on a 223 Savage.

Jim
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 12:18 PM

I ordered my XLR250 last week but I have not received it yet.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 12:21 PM

Scalloper,
I think you will like the light.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 12:25 PM

Jim,
I know you are waiting on a cat, but have you shined the red LED on a fox just to see how they react to it? I don't think it bothers the coyotes nearly as much as a the light from a white bulb with red filter.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 12:41 PM

jack
I have held the light on three fox at the same time and they don't pay any attention to it at all, and I put the beam direct on them. I don't think they can see it very well.

Jim
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 12:51 PM

Jim,
Thanks for the reply. We used to have a very high population of red and grey fox here in Illinois until around the mid to late 70's when the coyotes moved in. I killed my first coyote n 1973 and the fox population has declined since then. There are a few more red's now than there were a few years ago but I haven't seen a grey in many years.

Gary

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 01:26 PM

We have lots of Coyotes here. At sun rise and sun set you can hear them howling all over the place. For some reason they don't respond to a call very well. I have a Fox Pro Spitfire but have not had any to show themselves yet.
I lived in Washington state for a while back in the late 70s, and played a portable tape recorder with a cotton tail in distress and it worked great. When I moved down here in Oregon it would not work at all. I guess these southern Coyotes are too well fed.

Jim
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Scalloper,
I think you will like the light.

If I ever get it.How long should it take?
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 04:00 PM

If you ordered it from Jeremiah Weber, it will not take it very long. He gets them out pretty quick. I think mine took 3 or 4 day's.

I mounted mine under the barrel, that way you get no glare back in the scope. Besides it still fits in my gun case that way.

Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I ordered my XLR250 last week but I have not received it yet.

Ordered mine last Friday evening, haven't got it yet. I'm still using my Lightforce 170 gun mount. I'm anxious to see the difference in the two.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I ordered my XLR250 last week but I have not received it yet.

Good thing we ordered when we did, the lights went up in price today = $139.00 for the 250. ohmy
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 06:46 PM

GG
do you have a picture of the light you have been using, mounted to your gun?
I think you are going to like the XLR250.

Jim
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 06:58 PM

Here is a picture of mine mounted to my 22 Mag.

Jim

Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 07:07 PM

What I like about it is, it is a powerful light but very small.

I bought two extra batteries because I can always have a charged battery ready.

Jim
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 07:28 PM

Jim-

Not sure what I'm gonna do yet with the 250 light. I really want to see for myself in side/side comparison how each light works. My Lightforce has a reostat which I really like but the size of the Lightforce is HUGE. Question: Can the lightbeam of the 250 be lowered if need be? Often I hunt in close quarters and I like the ability to tone down the light.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I am having trouble getting the coyotes to come into the light. The guys in this area said "they will come when they get acustome to the light" but the way I see it I am missing oppertunities. They have been coming to within 30-35 feet on my set-up for 10 days.
I read a artical in Trapper and Predator caller Dec 2010 by Andrew Lewand. he belives that predators see LED light less. So, where can I get a 110v LED flood light? Thanks
Yotes don't like to be seen,they like the dark. Get yourself a Red Light and when they are on the Bait turn it on and Plug them. lol


Works for me. Plugged this one early this morning when she came in to the bait. Lit her up with the XLR250 Red LED and shot her with the 223. Distance was 182 yards checked with range finder.




That makes number 3 for the XLR250 in 7 days.


JID- You are just the "early bird fur buster". Congratulations! thumbup1 Keep popp'in 'em like corn.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 07:54 PM

gobblergetter,
The XLR250 doesn't have any brightness adjustment. It isn't nearly as bright as your Lightforce when you have the rheostat turned all the way up on it though. I haven't used mine any closer than about 75 yards. If you thought it was too bright I imagine you could find a scope flip cover and color the lens on it to make it dimmer if you needed to.

Boondock-outdoors posted down in the night hunting section that they are running a little behind on getting orders out but hopefully you will have yours soon.

The smaller light sure makes the gun easier to handle.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 08:05 PM

Yeah, I saw that post from Jeramiah. Thanks for the lens cover idea, I'm thinking I might have to impliment something. . . we'll see . .
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I ordered my XLR250 last week but I have not received it yet.

Good thing we ordered when we did, the lights went up in price today = $139.00 for the 250. ohmy

Great,I have not seen a statement yet so we may be charged the new price.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Jim-

Not sure what I'm gonna do yet with the 250 light. I really want to see for myself in side/side comparison how each light works. My Lightforce has a reostat which I really like but the size of the Lightforce is HUGE. Question: Can the lightbeam of the 250 be lowered if need be? Often I hunt in close quarters and I like the ability to tone down the light.

Man,you dont mess around thumbup1
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 08:33 PM

Well the coyotes dont like my red light so today I bought a LED flood light bulb. After reading the artical in T&PC I decided to change the bulb. They may come in later when the snow gets deeper and it gets colder but I am missing oppertunities right now. All I realy need to do is buck-up and spend $2500-$4000 on a NV scope and then game on.
These are some of my latest freinds that thus far have managed to keep their pritty fur coat.






But now we have another 12-14" of snow and the bait that these pictures were taken on is gone and has been the coyotes are just stoping by when they are in the area. Just 100 yds to the SE under the pritty light and there is plenty to eat for them.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 09:33 PM

Scalloper, if its any comfort I have a bait on the tranmission line with no light on it, private property the only activity there is a couple of snowmobiles on the weekend just traveling through, or myself checking on the bait. The bait has been there since November 29th, has been refreshed with road kill deer and baitsicles. Not a coyote has touched it, only ravens and a red squirrel and a weasel. I saw my first coyote tracks close to it today, the coyote came about 20 yards from the pile but no taker. I'm bummed. Just to the south of the pile like a quarter of a mile lots of coyote sign.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/13/11 11:29 PM


Well, I hate it that you guys aren't having many on the bait, but the same is true for me. One coyote half-circled the bait and that is all the activity I've had, not even crows. I don't understand it.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 01:37 AM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Well, I hate it that you guys aren't having many on the bait, but the same is true for me. One coyote half-circled the bait and that is all the activity I've had, not even crows. I don't understand it.


6mm06- By all means, take some of mine. They're killing my bait! mad They start in around 7:05am and hang 'til 8:30. I think its time to clean off another bait pile.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 02:19 AM

Scalloper,
Do you have any other lights on either in or around your house during the night - other than your bait light? They hardly ever come up to my bait that is about 100 yards from my house unless I have all of the lights out.

Looks like you have the coyotes, now if you can just get them under a light.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 02:28 AM

Have any of you ever tried adding some coyote urine around your bait to see if that made them feel more confident that it was safe to approach since it smelled like another coyote had been there?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 02:54 AM

I have one bait out that is a whole carcass and it's frozen solid. They are not feeding much at all on it but I am putting out small amounts of bait around there to keep them coming to the area. At my other bait site I am cutting deer scraps and bones into small pieces and I have them scattered over a larger area. Sometimes they come in and grab a piece and take off with it but they come back after another. They are much like a dog in that they often don't eat all they carry off before they come back after more, so the more they feed on the bait the more littered the area becomes with small pieces of bones. When the weather gets rough they will come back looking for those.

This female came in to grab a quick snack at a few minutes after midnight today, 1-14-2011.







If you are running low on bait or you have a larger carcass that is frozen and they are not feeding on it, try supplementing the area with some dog biscuits or small amounts of dry cat food scattered around the area. This will keep them checking the area until the main bait thaws enough for them to feed on it.



Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: dannyk
Scalloper, if its any comfort I have a bait on the tranmission line with no light on it, private property the only activity there is a couple of snowmobiles on the weekend just traveling through, or myself checking on the bait. The bait has been there since November 29th, has been refreshed with road kill deer and baitsicles. Not a coyote has touched it, only ravens and a red squirrel and a weasel. I saw my first coyote tracks close to it today, the coyote came about 20 yards from the pile but no taker. I'm bummed. Just to the south of the pile like a quarter of a mile lots of coyote sign.

They can be tough thats for sure. I had a area three years ago that I took a whole road kill deer into far away from any roads and it sat there all winter until the spring. This area was loaded with coyote sign but they would not go near my free offerings. We see this alot in this reagion.
As you can see the coyotes are in my area,they just have not came to the bait that I can see from my shooting window,75 yds from my trail cam pictures.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 05:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Scalloper,
Do you have any other lights on either in or around your house during the night - other than your bait light? They hardly ever come up to my bait that is about 100 yards from my house unless I have all of the lights out.

Looks like you have the coyotes, now if you can just get them under a light.

I turn off all lights on that side of my home at night. Before I put the light on the bait they were coming in nightly. I ordered a kill light so that I could turn the bait light off but it looks like the lights have been back ordered.
I did put some coyote urin around the bait 1 week ago. On the new snow yesterday am the coyotes walked within 50 yds by my home to within 30 feet of the bait and paced around the area. Hay,they are at least checking out the area nightly blush
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 05:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
I have one bait out that is a whole carcass and it's frozen solid. They are not feeding much at all on it but I am putting out small amounts of bait around there to keep them coming to the area. At my other bait site I am cutting deer scraps and bones into small pieces and I have them scattered over a larger area. Sometimes they come in and grab a piece and take off with it but they come back after another. They are much like a dog in that they often don't eat all they carry off before they come back after more, so the more they feed on the bait the more littered the area becomes with small pieces of bones. When the weather gets rough they will come back looking for those.

This female came in to grab a quick snack at a few minutes after midnight today, 1-14-2011.







If you are running low on bait or you have a larger carcass that is frozen and they are not feeding on it, try supplementing the area with some dog biscuits or small amounts of dry cat food scattered around the area. This will keep them checking the area until the main bait thaws enough for them to feed on it.




Great job thumbup keep at them.
Posted by: NY Yote hunter

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 06:08 PM

I have been having a really really slow year calling predators in. I am going to change my tatics up and start baiting. I have read most of this thread (which should become a sticky), and decided that I am going to try the pressure baiting tatic. Is howling around bait sites a good idea, after you start weaning them off the bait to try to get the coyotes to come in?
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 06:43 PM

There are a few guys around here that are having far better luck then I am hunting from a bait at their home the same way that I have posted on page 15. There is one guy that shot two on wed night. He said they normaly come out between 10pm-2am. About 9:45 a red fox came to the bait and he just watched it,he said he never bothers a fox because they tell him when the coyotes are near. Then he said the fox bolted at 9:50pm and a female coyote came out then the male came out and drove her off of the bait.Which he said is typical sence he never sees two coyotes feeding at the same time. After a very short time the male took off chasing the fox, which was over 100 yds away. When the male laft the bait the female came right back in. He then shot the female. At 10:05 the male was howling for the female and continued until 10:10 when he showed up at the bait. He also was shot. This guy has called and baited and shot 100's of coyotes in Maine sence the mid 70's he does very well in comparison to the rest of us. He has a photo of a big Maine coyote shot last week by another hunter that weighed 51 lbs. I will try to get a photo.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 06:47 PM

Ok, I have another question and I know it is a stupid one because elements vary.

A buddy of mine killed a doe this evening on an urban archery permit (those run through Feb, so it's legal, no worries). I should have a fresh gut pile and a carcass in an hour or two.

How long do you think it would takes the yotes to find it if I know they are hanging out within a 600-700 yard radius of where I'm gonna put it? I always hear them there so it's safe to say they are still there. I figure their noses are pretty keen, but I'm trying to guestimate if I should hunt it immediately after putting it out or wait 2 to 3 hours, or more? Reckon they will find it on the first night?

It's not a common occurance to get a gut pile this time of year so I don't want to let it go to waste. I will hunt over it tonight until I freeze my toes off if I have to but I would rather have some sort of idea. That's where it gets to the subjective part, but that's why I tried to qualify the statement with them being less than 700 yards away.

Any ideas?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 07:23 PM

NY Yote hunter,
Yep, howling is effective at a bait site, especially this time of year. Often they don't howl back before they come in to it though. If they answer and don't come in, at least you have a better idea of where they were at that time. When calling from a bait site I do call sparingly though. If they are close by and defending their food, they usually show up pretty fast.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 07:33 PM


hsracer201
Try to keep as much human oder off of the guts as you can,at least around here they will not toutch it at times. No cig buts tobaco spit and things like that.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 07:33 PM

hsracer201,
You never know how long it is going to take them to be comfortable coming in to a bait once you put it out. The biggest thing of course is human scent on the meat from it being so recently handled. You can eliminate some of that by wearing rubber gloves when you skin and process the meat. Also you have to deal with the scent from your shoes when you put the bait out.

I have had them start eating on a fresh gut pile in as little as a few hours and sometimes it takes a few days. One thing you have going for you is that it is not frozen and they will be able to smell it for quite a distance.

If you put it out tonight I would for sure be back on it before daylight tomorrow if at all possible.
Posted by: OptimaAndy

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 07:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Brian Downs
Wallbass45 here is a link to it. using an air compressor to skin coyotes.
http://www.arshunt.com/arshunt/201006#pg14



Brian, that was awesome. thumbup1 thumbup1
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 10:08 PM


In the summer months, I put out groundhogs that we shoot. I always put them in the same place, and they are usually gone with no trace within two nights, sometimes by the first night.

I had one trail camera video clip of a coyote carrying off the groundhog in it's mouth. Somehow I have misplaced the video file on that one as I had intended to post it to YouTube.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 10:47 PM

Boar on Bait
Shot this old fella tonight at 8:15 in balmy 27 degrees. Have been watching him come in regularly via game cam. Tonight was his last photo op. smile
Battle wound on front right foot and the tip of the right ear torn off. Might weigh this one out tomorrow.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 11:20 PM

Have a camera question: My game cam took this picture tonight. The hunting coat I wear is camo the same as the pants. So why would just my coat show up white? Weird.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 11:26 PM


My camera did the same, some clothing showed up white. Perhaps it's the IR.

Nice going on the 'coon. At least you are having some success. Things are very slow here.

I did make two stands of calling this evening, but got nothing. I did see fresh coyote tracks on the farm, but the yotes are smart and not a pushover for responding to a call.



Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 11:49 PM

Dave during the day why dont you try some Crow Sniping on that Bait. smile
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/14/11 11:58 PM

gobblergetter,
Nice job on the masked bandit !!

Were you pretty close to the camera in the picture where your coat is not showing up as camo? I have had my camera do that when an animal or myself was close to the camera.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 12:03 AM

Yes, maybe 5 feet away, if that. It's just odd that only the coat is white.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 03:27 AM

Went out saturday morning:12:30 am.
I just got set-up, sat down an relaxed. Wind was blowing in my face. And to the dog's direction too.(I use him as an alarm. He's in the pen behind me).
He starts barking and this not-so-little, female comes trotting out at 30 yards....Video of last night, while I was working...






Popped it with 12 guage\4buck. She goes down, but drags herself through the snow to get away. I pop her again...doesn't faze her. So I then finish her off with 22.250. No,there is no scope on the Rem 12\wingmaster. And no...I don't need shooting lesson's... Been at this hunting thing for 40 year's...I think I need a X-FULL Choke.

I have never had this much trouble anchoring 'yotes before. I'm starting to think that the manufacturers of Remington shotshells, are not putting enough powder in thier products. It's like someone has complained about too much kick. And they are deliberatly dialing down the shells! It's torqueing my sphincter!
Posted by: screech

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 07:26 AM

Jim, Where I live in the UP of Michigan baiting is a very effective way of killing a coyote due to heavy cover and less than optimal numbers of yotes.

I keep a "boneyard" out back behind my house and have the spotting scope in my bedroom pointed right at it!

I have found however that the yotes visit the bait primarily after dark.

I have killed coyotes by trapping them, snaring them, shooting them over bait and by calling them in.

I thouroghly prefer calling over any other method that I have used, there is just something about having a coyote respond to the call that nothing else can compae with.

I guess Im not into it for damage control, just for the pure enjoyment of being in the woods and moving around and hoping that a predator of some kind responds to my febile attempt at sounding like a dying critter that may taste good.

Ive had pine marten, fisher, racoons, otter along with many deer respond to the call .. you just never know what may come check ya out and that what I am absolutley obsessed with.

But if the weather is terrible and the wind is stong, Ive never been above going back to one of the baited shacks and sitting there drinking a coffee and waiting for old wil-e-coyote to step out.. just gets me out of the house!!
Posted by: coyoterookie

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 07:31 AM

I have a swine breeding operation down the road, and I get newborn piglets, placenta and it works great. Yesterday the gave me 4 100 pound dead sows...put em out...didn't hunt last night. I will let you know how it works out, and today i will shoot some photos of my bait pile.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 07:57 AM

Nice video weaponx. Coyoterookie, looking forward to the photos, but, instead of shooting the photos, shoot the vermin that come to it.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 11:35 AM


Screech, You pretty much summed up my feelings too. I'd rather call them anyday, but that doesn't come easy here. I hunt hard to get a few.

Sitting in a blind, drinking coffee and just being out of the house is not half bad. I haven't scored on a coyote that way yet, but it's kind-of nice nonetheless.

Jeff, I've done a bit of crow sniping this winter, added about three kill scenes to the video.

WeaponX, good job on the coyote and video.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 12:44 PM

Congrats Weapon and nice shooting on your yote, no matter how many it takes. Ain't it grand when things come together smile
Posted by: coyoterookie

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 01:03 PM



Last night from the game camera at the bait pile.....I should have been out there hunting...lol
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 01:05 PM

weaponx
That's a pretty tough yote when #4 buck won't bring er down.

Jim
Posted by: luder

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 01:16 PM

Now rookie thats a bait pile
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 01:50 PM

coyoterookie,
You have some good bait there! If you ever get the chance to pick up a hog before they are frozen, skin it out at least part way and stake or tie the hide down so they can get to the fat on it. If everything else is frozen solid they will return to eat the fat off the hide.

I bet you are going to kill some coyotes off that setup.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 01:55 PM

weaponx,
Nice looking coyote. Were you sitting in the shooting house or outside in the cold?
Posted by: midwestkid

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 01:58 PM

I have tried a dead hog on a bait pile with road kill deer. They never once touched the hog only the buzzards would.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 02:02 PM

Originally Posted By: coyoterookie


Last night from the game camera at the bait pile.....I should have been out there hunting...lol


Dude...soon as I read that you had those hog's..I said to myself,"self..I would be out there as soon as you put them there"!. Those things work too well! Every now and then I get some. Within hours...they are coming....Brother...If you are any kind of a shooter..you should be able to wipe'em out. Take a camera..you're gonna need it.

Thanks Dannyk...
Thanks David...
Thanks GG...And you are right..no matter how many it takes to bring down...It's all good...
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
weaponx,
Nice looking coyote. Were you sitting in the shooting house or outside in the cold?


Hey JID..
I must admit..it's too easy sitting in a house, shooting out a window.Lol.. But brother...it work's..If it 'aint broke type of thing..Haha..

But I have been keeping an eye on you. You have been knocking the crap out of them lately! Fine work!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 02:51 PM

Hey JID..
I must admit..it's too easy sitting in a house, shooting out a window.Lol.. But brother...it work's..If it 'aint broke type of thing..Haha..

I hear ya man. Fun stuff for sure. Looks like you drilled that one with the 22-250.

gobblergetter told me to keep popping them like popping corn so I have been trying not to disappoint her. LOL

I'll be spending more time calling starting this week. They should be responding to howls now. I usually start killing bigger males beginning about the middle of Jan.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 04:52 PM

I finally got my Truth Cam 60 to work on video. I don't know what I did different. But it works good now but hard on batteries.

When I changed the batteries, the cam lost the date and time. It suppose to have an internal battery to keep that from happening? But it didn't. So the date and time is not right on the video.

Jim

Posted by: Brian Downs

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 05:01 PM

Hey guys check out February's issue of Outdoor Life Magazine. There is a two page section on baiting coyotes. Let me know if you recognize the guy there talking about. thumbup1
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Yes, maybe 5 feet away, if that. It's just odd that only the coat is white.

UV perhaps? I have read that K9's and ducks see color differently then we do. If that is what some camo looks like thats why I get busted in my duck blind when I where my newest jacket. I swear they see that 1 mile away. And its camo. I got a picture of my sons girlfreind at one of my bear bait sites after see shot her bear this fall. It was getting dark but man that jacket she was wearing glowed like yours bright white.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: midwestkid
I have tried a dead hog on a bait pile with road kill deer. They never once touched the hog only the buzzards would.

The guys in TX I hunted with said the same thing,hogs rot and the yotes eat the deer right up.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 07:48 PM


I finally got some action on camera at the site. Photos were less than great, but at least I know a yote was there. I've been seeing a few tracks lately but finally got him on camera.

The coyote appeared to be afraid of the camera. He kept looking at it in several photos. He never did come up to the bait, but mingled around the area for about 35 minutes.

I got 55 photos and over half were either pink, green or some combination of colors. I plan to contact Wildgame Innovations Monday to see what is going on. I reset the camera today to video to see how that might work.





Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 09:14 PM

6mm06,
Those pictures that you posted look good to me. Hopefully the company will get you taken care of so the camera works right all the time.

I can also tell from the tracks in the snow around my baits that the coyotes come near the bait a lot more often than they actually come right up to it.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/15/11 09:21 PM


I had several other photos, with these being the best. At least it tells me a yote was there, but something is not right with the camera with all those blank photos of various colors.

If I can correct the color deal, then the camera is not bad for $116 delivered to my door.

Here is a daytime photo.





Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/16/11 05:56 AM

David,
I feel kinda bad your camera doesn't do what you want it to do..Since I suggested it to you. Try and turn it to video, and see what happens. And yes, call Wildgame. The guy that answers for me in very knowledgeable. Not that I have had any problems. I would call for stuff like warranty info.

Also maybe think about getting NEW SD cards. 4gb being the biggest. Good luck..
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/16/11 02:32 PM


Not to worry, Matt. That's the way trail cameras are. Some work great and others have issues. I think they are all that way, or at least most of them are.

I once recommended another brand trail camera to a friend and he had nothing but troubles with it, then he purchased another one and got the same problems. Yet, my son and I have had great experiences with them.

I really like the looks of the X6C and the way it operates. Most of the day-time photos are really good stuff, and the night stuff is not bad, just a bit blurred when the yote moves around. It's a great buy and serves the purpose of letting me know what is coming to the bait.

Monday I plan to call the company and see what's going on with it. Right now I have it set to video and am anxious to see how that might work. If I can get the pink and green photo issue straightened out, I'll be quite satisfied and may even purchase another one.

I have read trail camera reviews on-line until I'm about to go blind. Seems that just when I have found a camera that is good, I find reviews that say it isn't. It's really hard to know what to get, within a decent price range.

David

Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/16/11 04:42 PM

This may sound and seem,"not possible"..But, The more I shoot at 'yotes,the quicker more show up. And within 10 minutes of the shot...The only thing I can fiqure out is, we do alot of Duck\goose hunting here.And with steel shot being CRAP! We wound and don't retreive alot of birds.

Last night was fairly crazy hunting over bait.I had a coyote 15 feet, straight down out the window. I shot with my new "superfull" choke that I bought. 3" Mag\15 pellets.
I quess it was too close and I shot the corner of the lower roof off!Lol...Then 10 mins. later, here comes one running to the house and I took a running shot and wounded it. Found blood but no dog. Then 15 mins. later...here come 2 more at a dead run towards the house. I got one to stop at 30 yards. Blasted it with the 12ga. and it also runoff bleeding...Don't get me wrong...this is alot of fun! I switched to 00 buck. All I know, is 00 buck would drop me if I was hit with it!

Anyway...I'm going out tonight...And I'm going to start the hunt with a shot in the air! And get ready to try it again...
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/16/11 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
This may sound and seem,"not possible"..But, The more I shoot at 'yotes,the quicker more show up. And within 10 minutes of the shot...The only thing I can fiqure out is, we do alot of Duck\goose hunting here.And with steel shot being CRAP! We wound and don't retreive alot of birds.



Anyway...I'm going out tonight...And I'm going to start the hunt with a shot in the air! And get ready to try it again...


Keep your head inside, no tellin' what might fall out of the night sky up there!! lol

Good luck on 'em tonight!!
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/16/11 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: weaponx
This may sound and seem,"not possible"..But, The more I shoot at 'yotes,the quicker more show up. And within 10 minutes of the shot...The only thing I can fiqure out is, we do alot of Duck\goose hunting here.And with steel shot being CRAP! We wound and don't retreive alot of birds.

Last night was fairly crazy hunting over bait.I had a coyote 15 feet, straight down out the window.I shot with my new "superfull" choke that I bought. 3" Mag\15 pellets.
I quess it was too close and I shot the corner of the lower roof off!Lol...Then 10 mins. later, here comes one running to the house and I took a running shot and wounded it. Found blood but no dog. Then 15 mins. later...here come 2 more at a dead run towards the house. I got one to stop at 30 yards. Blasted it with the 12ga. and it also runoff bleeding...Don't get me wrong...this is alot of fun! I switched to 00 buck. All I know, is 00 buck would drop me if I was hit with it!Anyway...I'm going out tonight...And I'm going to start the hunt with a shot in the air! And get ready to try it again...
WeaponX: What Shot size are you using in that 3" shell? Have you patterned your new choke? If its OO buck I think it might be to tight. Try some 4 Buck or BBs,More shot for a Pattern. Kill them dont wound them you owe it to the Yote! smile
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/17/11 09:33 AM

The guys that run yotes with hounds around here sware by the Heavy Shot Dead Coyote T shot. They claim to pile them up at 75 yds. Hard to belive but they are honest guys and shoot 70+ a year with the hounds.
Posted by: justshoot

Re: Baiting - 01/17/11 11:57 AM

A couple years ago I also put out a couple hogs. Worked them over good with an ax and had deer piled up with them. The coyotes would stand on the hogs and eat deer meat. When in April,3 months later,a bear ate the hogs. I was told it is because of all the chemicals in the feed that turns off coyotes.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/17/11 06:49 PM

I have had guys tell me the same thing about calves,coyotes will not eat them because of to many chemicals.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/17/11 10:14 PM

Great topic. I love all the info on baiting. Some questions does anyone use fish for bait? How much bait to water is in a bait popsicles?


This is a pic of a Fisher I got last year on my baitpile.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/17/11 10:27 PM

TET- I have used fish before like Carp (large fish with tough scales). The coons and possums seemed to be drawn to it alright but not so much the fox. Really can't blame them!
Great pic. of the fisher. What is the average weight of one of those? Is the one in the picture about what you'd call average size? I know squat about fishers and am curious to learn. thanks.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 12:18 AM

The fisher in the pic is average size. Females go 3 to 8 lbs. with some males at 10 to 18 lbs. That is quite a size range. Fishers are one of the few mammals that prey on porcupines. They can be quite nasty. It is also very cool to see them in the wild. The NYSDEC released them in the Catskills in the 80's, and they have been expanding in population ever since.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 09:54 AM

Had these coming to the bait earlier
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 09:56 AM

Called this one in with fawn in distress in June of this year

Posted by: Redtail204

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 11:29 AM

Hogs work great for bait, but you have to skin them out or at least peal the hide back so the Yotes and fox can get at the meat. Otherise the skin is like rawhide and they can't get to the meat and they won't bother with it and it will rot......
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 07:29 PM


The new X6C camera got a red and gray fox video, plus a skunk within the last two nights. No coyotes. I also had several "pink" videos, so it's not just with stills. I phoned Wildgame Innovations today and was instructed to return the camera for an exchange. Sounds like good service already.

Here's the skunk video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpSvTmwof-Y


Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: TrailsEndTom
The fisher in the pic is average size. Females go 3 to 8 lbs. with some males at 10 to 18 lbs. That is quite a size range. Fishers are one of the few mammals that prey on porcupines. They can be quite nasty. It is also very cool to see them in the wild. The NYSDEC released them in the Catskills in the 80's, and they have been expanding in population ever since.

Why did the state release fishers? Low population or to control a population of something else? Are you allowed to hunt/trap them? If so, is there a bag limit? Sorry for all the questions . . . blushing
Posted by: .223coyote

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I have had guys tell me the same thing about calves,coyotes will not eat them because of to many chemicals.

Coyotes will eat garbage, I don't think they are too worried about whether a calf has been implanted or not.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 08:52 PM

GG
Fisher's were present in the Adirondacks but not the Catskills and the DEC felt it was a good match for the Catskills. They also felt it would help control porcupines, which can kill trees from eating the bark. You can trap them and there is no limit. You cannot hunt them.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 10:07 PM

Thanks TET, that's all interesting info. One more ?, if I may. Has the introduction efforts shown a decrease in the porcupine population?
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/18/11 10:31 PM

GG

I would say there are fewer around now. I see at least 1 each year.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: TrailsEndTom
GG

I would say there are fewer around now. I see at least 1 each year.


One/year 'taint bad. I work for our local Natural Resource Div. and it's always good to hear what other states are doing in the form of conservation and preservation and even better news if it works! Thank you.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 12:22 AM

dannyk- you feed those bears well! The one in the 10/31/09 dated pic. is HUGE! Great pics.
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 05:16 PM


Originally Posted By: .223coyote
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I have had guys tell me the same thing about calves,coyotes will not eat them because of to many chemicals.

Coyotes will eat garbage, I don't think they are too worried about whether a calf has been implanted or not.


it is the medicine that they give the calves in an effort to save them from the illness that eventually kills them. it takes 3 to 4 weeks before the coyotes will feed on them. still born calves work the best.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 07:28 PM

Anyone know how to keep these critters away??
When I was a kid on the farm my grandma told me if I hung up a dead crow in plain sight it would keep the crows away. Dont recall if it ever worked or not, but I wonder how these guys would react....Too bad the bastard 's are protected!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 07:35 PM


Man, that's a lot of crows. I rarely ever see that many here in one location.
Posted by: Redtail204

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Man, that's a lot of crows. I rarely ever see that many here in one location.




I think those are all Turkey Vultures !!!! Man putting a bait out with all those around is futile . That many could strip a cow to bare bones In a day!!!!!
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 07:50 PM

Not crows, they're black bussards. In less than 48 hours, they demolished a 5gal baitsicle and a mature roadkill buck. Funny part was at one time they all disappeared then in the next photo there were five turkey bussards. Those five birds ran off over 50 of these guys and took over the carcass!
But I need to get rid of them....Will putting it deeper in the woods keep em off?? Hate to move because this is the perfect setup, from the hidden approach to the natural blind we built everything is ideal...except the birds....
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 08:54 PM

Dobro- You do have a mess there. Putting the bait in the woods will not stop them from feeding on it. Can't think of anything (legal) to deter them. Don't know if an eagle silhoette would do the trick or not. Hawk won't, 'cause they will feed together but I've not seen a buzzard and a eagle eat at the same time.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 09:03 PM

If you are able to hunt at night I would cover the bait with a plastic tarp during the day and then go out early evening and remove the tarp. Once the birds find it they won't leave it alone until it is gone.

Heck, now that I think about it, they might peck through the tarp to try and get to the meat.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 09:35 PM

Yeah actually Im only hunting it at night. Cant usually get to it until 8 or later though. I could possibly build a box to cover the baitpile and keep it smaller. Drawbacks being it would only be exposed while Im hunting, and that Id have to expose myself and track more human scent to the pile before I begin. Which also almost eliminates the possibility of ambushing a yote on the pile when I approach. Maybe some sort of lean-to or shelter that would allow a canine to get to it but deter the fowl?? Im sure the yotes would be just as spooky of that too though...

Edit: Just spoke to my grandfather on the telephone, and found the origin of what my grandmother had told me about hanging the dead crows. Back in the early 80s the turkey bussards had gotten to be notorious for swarming calves in the calving pastures just as they were born, before they could get to their feet. Apparently it was a problem for neighboring farmers too. They were protected back then as well, but that means little to farmers losing cattle. My grandfather shot one and hung it from a tree at the edge of the calving pasture, and the bussards never came back as long as that dead bird was there. Hmmmm...never seen a bussard decoy, let alone a dead bussard hanging decoy....
Posted by: Jeff V

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 11:00 PM

Okay so get this.

Find a roadkilled yearling doe. Take it out where the camera is with my buddy. Tie a rope around its neck and tie it to a tree. Put the trail cam on video mode. My buddy goes to check it today. Says the deer and rope are gone and there's rub marks all over the tree. I'm thinkin ooo the videos are going to be good. I get an email from him and open the vid. Some middle aged guy trespassed saw the deer but not the cam, untied the rope, and walked off with the roadkilled deer.

What perfect timing considering its goin to be below zero tonight.
Posted by: duckstopper

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 11:06 PM

Some of the guys around here use metal sheep fencing to surround their bait piles. The buzzards could still reach through the wire squares, but maybe it would slow them down enough so that there would be something left for the coyotes?
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/19/11 11:10 PM

Times must be hard when folks are taking other peoples roadkill!
Good grief!! crazy
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 12:24 AM

Hunters feeding the hungry. LOL
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeff V
Okay so get this.

Find a roadkilled yearling doe. Take it out where the camera is with my buddy. Tie a rope around its neck and tie it to a tree. Put the trail cam on video mode. My buddy goes to check it today. Says the deer and rope are gone and there's rub marks all over the tree. I'm thinkin ooo the videos are going to be good. I get an email from him and open the vid. Some middle aged guy trespassed saw the deer but not the cam, untied the rope, and walked off with the roadkilled deer.

What perfect timing considering its goin to be below zero tonight.


Well, at first I was thinkin', the deer is dead so why did you need to tie it up but now I am thinkin' maybe you needed a cable and padlock. LOL.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 06:26 AM

legal or not if you shoot one while the rest are there you won't have anymore trouble with them for a long while
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 06:48 AM

i have shot them and laid them out with their wings spread. it kept them away for a few days until a fox took off with it.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 08:00 PM

greenmountainboy, Ive been searching DNR site and Endangered/Threatened wildlife lists, and cant find anything that protects these bussards. I think Im'a set up in my blind with the HMR Sat morning about 9 (they seem to start on the bait around 10), and light up the first one that lands. Might have to switch the stealthcam to video mode for that!

On another note: Ive got a good friend that traps red fox pretty heavily. He says the coyotes love to eat the red fox out of his traps, sometimes they just play with them and bite their tails, other times they devour them! So he's got 24 on the skinnin' floor right now(season ended yesterday), any thoughts or opinions on using fox carcasses for a bait pile?? Anybody tried this? The scent alone should be a great attractor, stinky little critters...We've got a new 800 acre farm to hunt and am thinkin of puttin out another bait pile there....
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Dobro
greenmountainboy, Ive been searching DNR site and Endangered/Threatened wildlife lists, and cant find anything that protects these bussards. I think Im'a set up in my blind with the HMR Sat morning about 9 (they seem to start on the bait around 10), and light up the first one that lands. Might have to switch the stealthcam to video mode for that!

On another note: Ive got a good friend that traps red fox pretty heavily. He says the coyotes love to eat the red fox out of his traps, sometimes they just play with them and bite their tails, other times they devour them! So he's got 24 on the skinnin' floor right now(season ended yesterday), any thoughts or opinions on using fox carcasses for a bait pile?? Anybody tried this? The scent alone should be a great attractor, stinky little critters...We've got a new 800 acre farm to hunt and am thinkin of puttin out another bait pile there....

Dobro- I'm almost 99.9% sure that buzzards are a protected species on the federal list. Might want to check their list out. Sorry, I don't have a web link right now. Shouldn't be to hard to find.
I have left fox out for bait before and besides a few possum I had mostly . . . BUZZARDS! lol Sorry, couldn't resist.
Posted by: fw707

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Dobro
greenmountainboy, Ive been searching DNR site and Endangered/Threatened wildlife lists, and cant find anything that protects these bussards. I think Im'a set up in my blind with the HMR Sat morning about 9 (they seem to start on the bait around 10), and light up the first one that lands. Might have to switch the stealthcam to video mode for that!


You didn't look in the right place.

http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/mbta/mbtandx.html#t

Shooting a "bussard" will get you a trip to the marble court house, same as a hawk or owl.
The Feds frown on that kind of stuff.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 09:05 PM

Thanks for the heads up GG, and Ive checked into that also. Turkey vulture is a "species of concern" in one region of Alaska, otherwise it is not protected under the USFWS authority. Ill check with the local law first, then the war is on....
Edit: fw707, thanks for the link! Ive been to that marble house before, not for game-related stuff of course. Nonetheless, I dont care to return!

I might give the fox carcasses a try. Heck Id be happy even to see a couple possums. All Im gettin on the trail cam is about 20 pics/day of bloody bussards. You also said that there arent really any yotes down your way either...
Posted by: fw707

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 09:17 PM

BIRDS PROTECTED BY THE MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT

List of Migratory Birds


------VULTURE, Black, Coragyps atratus
------Turkey, Cathartes aura
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/20/11 09:19 PM

That's correct Dobro, nothing here yet in the way of yotes. (Blessings on that note)
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 02:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Hello to all from Downeast Maine. I have realy enjoyed reading this thred about baiting. I just found this site yesterday and I must say its one of the best forums I have found.After seeing the way some of you set up your bait sites I thought I would show you how some of the boys in this area harvest a few coyotes in the winter. Feel free to comment on the setup as everything can be improved.
This is a set up that 8-10 guys I know use in this area. This has proved to be quite successful with one guy shooting and killing over 70 in four years. Most all guys kill 15-20 per winter.

First we set up a bait pile from 70-200 yards from a window with a good rest. The window must open very quiet (very important). This is my bait pile in the first photo.

I set up the site about 250 yds back further in the woods from the house to help build confidence and I think it worked they started eating 1 55gal barrel a week. There is 2 barrels of cow,deer and pig parts with some partridge parts from a hunt 9 days ago in the photo.
Once I moved the site to its final location,71 yds from my window,it only took 4 days until the coyotes started hitting the bait. When I got the bait to where I could see it from my house,its final location, I installed a Chamberlain wireless motion alarm ($94 radio shack) This is the sensor. see picture

This is the beeper on the desk in my office. Its very important to put the beeper away from the window you will be shooting from because when you open the window and the beeper beeps the coyote will be gone.

As I said I have only had the bait at this site for 5 days,on Wednesday night we had a coyote at the pile at 7pm. My son spotted it with a flashlight and it ran only to return 5 min later. Two nights later the coyotes were on the pile from 10:30pm to 1am we did not bother them at all just let them feed and get comfy.
On friday Newyears eve we installed a light system. I bought a outdoor rectangle box,outdoor lamp holder and a photo control for the light. I needed 250' of 14-2 wire to run to my home. The whole thing cost me $93.18 at EBS. pic

The only thing I did differently is I oped for a red 100 watt flood light. I thought it will work better then a white flood light but the coyotes are still getting use to it, coyote may not get as spooked by the red light,we shall see. The regular flood light works but sometimes it takes awhile for the coyotes to get accustom to the light. If you mount the light back 30-40 feet shining away from your home and on the bait, its believed that it helps blind the coyote when he looks toward the your home. But some have the light shining strait down on the bait 20-25 feet high.

This is the view from my shooting window

If you live in a residential area the red flood light may not assure you that its a coyote and not something else so keep that in mind. This system has worked very well for a number of guys here in Downeast Maine for a number of years. One guy that uses this system has no light he uses the beeper and a open field and shoots many but he needs the snow to offer him enough visibility for a good shot. Good luck.

At 1:30 am my beeper went off. At 2:05 I sent the .223 V-Max into flight... scared 1 coyote down thumbup1 waiting for number two as there is normally two together here. I will have pictures in the morning.thumbup

Here it is a male that I shot am 2:05 am today.
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 07:17 AM

dobro,i have never used fox for bait. i believe that if you put out anything that attracts scavengers, that the predators will come check it out. it's keeping them there or coming back that is the tricky part.okay i'll admit that i couldn't hit a buzzard with my rifle. it must of been struck by lightening. whistle
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 07:20 AM

Congrats Scalloper! thumbup1 Looks like your whole set up is working well for you.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 07:29 AM

Beeper goes off at 1:30, coyote shot at 2:05 - Geeze, what did you do fix sausage, biscuits and gravy for breakfast before you went and shot him? LOL.........Just kidding Scalloper!!!

That is a nice looking coyote. Congrats on getting him. What kind of light do your have on your rifle?
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Beeper goes off at 1:30, coyote shot at 2:05 - Geeze, what did you do fix sausage, biscuits and gravy for breakfast before you went and shot him? LOL.........Just kidding Scalloper!!!

That is a nice looking coyote. Congrats on getting him. What kind of light do your have on your rifle?

LOL, he held back for 25 min. And when he did come in he would run in circles and then run out,very nervous.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 12:24 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Congrats Scalloper! thumbup1 Looks like your whole set up is working well for you.

They are still very reluctant about coming to the bait,compaired to other baits in the area. Its been 20 days sence they would come right to this bait,they would come to within 30-40 feet and howel and bark seemingly frusterated. We are getting 12-14" of snow today then we are going into sub zero temps for a few days. That may help out.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 04:34 PM


Seems the coyote at my place is beginning to warm up to the bait a bit. He is still skiddish, but not as much as before.

I got some good photos the other night, plus a red fox and skunk. The coyote appears to be the same one as before.
The camera at this point is doing better, don't know why. It had 45 photos and only one was pink.













Posted by: Redfox Adventures

Re: Baiting - 01/21/11 04:49 PM

Nice bunch of pictures. Fly tyers would like that black skunk. Scalloper this snow and cold we are getting is going to help us. I have a big field and the coyotes have been more intested in the mice lately rather than the bait. They will be digging soon.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 12:15 AM

Congrats Scalloper! Nice coyote.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 07:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Redfox Adventures
Nice bunch of pictures. Fly tyers would like that black skunk. Scalloper this snow and cold we are getting is going to help us. I have a big field and the coyotes have been more intested in the mice lately rather than the bait. They will be digging soon.

Yip,it should help. At 3am this morning my beeper went off so I waited for it to go off again but it did not. Not sure what that was all about buy I will go out and check for tracks and see whats up. Man,looks like we are going into a deep freeze. WOW
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 07:25 AM

Originally Posted By: TrailsEndTom
Congrats Scalloper! Nice coyote.

Thanks,its quite a eye opener to here that beeper go off in the middle of the night. Man I was pumped and it worked out.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 09:07 AM

Scalloper,
When that beeper goes off get to your shooting window as quick as you can. I have had them come in and grab a scrap of meat run back out of the alarm area, so the alarm only beeps once. Of course once in a while you will have a false signal caused by a leaf or something blowing in front of the sensor.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 12:46 PM

They do that here as well,but most of the time they come back in after another bite. This weather will get the best of them,man this is getting tough my dogs are having a tough time getting around in this much snow. I have 3 55gal drums of bait on this pile so they can come as much as they want thumbup1 because with 3 more months of tough weather the chances are that they will end up on my fleshing beam or some will. 3 winters ago most of Maine had upto 14' of snow on the ground at one time. The bioligest told me they found coyotes that died from starvation. I have noticed that they have been hunting all day in the last week or so.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 03:37 PM

XLR-250 arrived today! Her batts are in the charger as I type. Scalloper- yours come?
Posted by: justin10mm

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 05:30 PM

Wow! Thirty pages and still going.

So are we going to get a new 'Baiting' forum or what? confused
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
XLR-250 arrived today! Her batts are in the charger as I type. Scalloper- yours come?
Not yet I live 3 days from nowhere so it may be awhile LOL. I got a email that said its been shipped.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: justin10mm
Wow! Thirty pages and still going.

So are we going to get a new 'Baiting' forum or what? confused

Man thats one nasty lookin coyote in your avatar.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 06:18 PM

Is THAT what that IS?
Hang in there, you'll probably see it come Monday or so.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 09:49 PM

Hey 6mm06,
That one kind of looks like Tank The Coyote:

Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 10:32 PM

I got another coyote tonight. I wanted to be in my north shooting shack before daylight this morning because I put out fresh bait up there Monday and they have been feeding on it. I woke up this morning with a head cold and felt like crap so I didn't make it up there.

Today was the last day of rabbit season and I wanted to take the dogs out at least for a little while. We took off about 9:AM but the snow was deep enough that they weren't having much luck working a track so I slipped up over the hill to where I could see my north bait and there was a coyote there eating. I had the shotgun so he was out of range.

I sat on that bait until an hour after dark the other evening and then went back about 9:00PM to haul up a fresh bottle of propane for the heater. They had been feeding on the bait sometime between the time I left and when I returned with the propane. I made it back up there this evening about an hour before sundown and waited until dusk and nothing had showed up so I howled but nothing answered. About 30 minutes after dark there was a pair howling west of me and another one off to the north west howling. I answered them and they howled back so I just shut up and waited. Another 30 minutes passed and the pair to the west of me howled again and I howled back with a single howl.

I was pretty sure they were working their way towards the bait that I was sitting on and I didn't want to call too much so I decided to just wait. I checked the time it was almost 8:PM. All at once a coyote comes busting out of the brush and runs right out into the mowed CRP where the bait is. I had some small pieces of deer bones scattered around the main bait and he stopped at one of those. I couldn't quite see through my scope good enough to shoot him without the light so I got him in the scope and pushed the switch on the XLR250. When the light came on the cross hairs were centered on his body and I squeezed the trigger before he had time to react to the light. The 55 grain soft point from the 223 dropped him DRT.

I will post pictures of the setup tomorrow.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/22/11 11:47 PM

I got my XLR-250 today also Batteries are charging as I type.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 12:05 AM

Crap, I totally forgot to update this thread from my post last weekend.

I got a fox off my bait pile one night the early part of this week. I was calling near the pile and the grey was coming towards my call but got distracted by the scent (I'm guessing) and waltzed on over and gave me a shot.
Posted by: Bax

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 02:53 AM

Wow. Its been a while since I read this thread. What an awesome amount of success! It was cool to see 6mm06's trail cam shots too.

Someday I will have to give this a try (when I can move out of suburbia)
Posted by: coyoterookie

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 06:33 AM

Got this male off my baitpile last night at 7:35 pm(4 dead hogs for bait)

80 yd shot with 223 Vmax...no hide damage..DRT
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 01:54 PM


At least some of you guys are having some success. I'm still battling motion alert problems.

The coyote is coming to the bait every night, generally within a couple of hours after dark. He apparently lingers in the area and seems to return often, and again in early mornings, from around 4:00 - 6:00 AM.

I put electrician's tape on the transmitter, narrowed down the sensor a bit, but it is still going off prematurely. It works great at the 137 yard distance from blind to bait, but it's just not reliable yet.

Does anyone have suggestions about the sensor, or recommend another one that won't break my walled, one that works?

Looks like I'm going to have to build a shack of some kind to stay in, one that is a bit warmer than the blind. You guys have it made with being able to shoot from your house.


Here are photos from the last two nights. Notice the New Moon in the one photo.





Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 02:47 PM

If this wind ever lets up and the temps raise a bit, I'm hoping to get back at it this week to try out the new XLR-250 kill light. I have visitors.

Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 02:59 PM

6mm06
I bought my sensor from Raido shack its a Chamberlain, $94 with tax. Here are some ideas for some shooting shaks
http://northeastpreditors.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=baiting&action=display&thread=427
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 03:16 PM

6mm06,
This is about as redneck as you can get without having an old car involved, but here is the shack I have been hunting out of recently. It is just a couple pieces of old paneling covered with a plastic tarp. I have it sitting on a couple of old saw horses to get enough elevation so I can see out over the rise in the field.

It measures about 29" X 38" X 4ft. tall. There is just enough room in it to fit a folding chair and have a little space on one side to sit my pack and small propane heater. It doesn't take much at all to heat it. I needed something quick the other night and that is all I could come up with but it is working.



I don't have an alarm on that bait, since it is about 1/4 mile from my house.

Here is a picture of the one I got from that shack last night:



I have one shack that is larger and was hard to heat the other day when it was down around -0- so I stapled up some heavy plastic inside of it to partition it off so there was less space to heat. You might try hanging a lightweight plastic tarp inside your hunting blind to partition off a section of it so it would be easier to heat.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 03:22 PM

I was looking at ice fishing huts the other day and found some nice looking ones that could easily be modified a little to make a coyote hunting shack. Search google and youtube for ice fishing shanty, ice fishing house, etc. for examples.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: coyoterookie
Got this male off my baitpile last night at 7:35 pm(4 dead hogs for bait)

80 yd shot with 223 Vmax...no hide damage..DRT


Nice Male Coyoterookie...We need to change your Handle to something like "Coyotesmasher". "Coyotecrusher"! Keep after them. I wish I had some hog action..Good Luck....
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
6mm06,
This is about as redneck as you can get without having an old car involved, but here is the shack I have been hunting out of recently. It is just a couple pieces of old paneling covered with a plastic tarp. I have it sitting on a couple of old saw horses to get enough elevation so I can see out over the rise in the field.

It measures about 29" X 38" X 4ft. tall. There is just enough room in it to fit a folding chair and have a little space on one side to sit my pack and small propane heater. It doesn't take much at all to heat it. I needed something quick the other night and that is all I could come up with but it is working.



I don't have an alarm on that bait, since it is about 1/4 mile from my house.

Here is a picture of the one I got from that shack last night:



I have one shack that is larger and was hard to heat the other day when it was down around -0- so I stapled up some heavy plastic inside of it to partition it off so there was less space to heat. You might try hanging a lightweight plastic tarp inside your hunting blind to partition off a section of it so it would be easier to heat.



Shackattack'en 'em huh JID? Good stuff...you 'mos def win the "Change-up Trophy"! You are always thinking and trying new kill Techniques..Makes me think. I like that! Thanks brother.....
Now where is my blue tarps and Ice fishing house???
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 04:53 PM

weaponx,
Something like this. I could do without the storage cabinets and drawers and if I had to, could probably make it without the satellite TV.
[img:center]http://covertress.blogspot.com/2008/09/ice-fishing-dream-house.html[/img]

Oh yeah, I graduated from the blue tarps a long time ago.....................I use the silver/green ones now.
lol
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 04:53 PM


Jackindistress, I'm definitely hillbilly, with a little redneck thrown in, so liking your shack is not a problem for me. Actually, I like to see innovations that others come up with. It's really interesting. I'd like to see a thread on here about low-cost hunting shacks, stoves etc.

My plan is to build a wood shack, if I can do it without too much money involved. I want it large enough to have a small bunk in it so I can lie down inbetween waiting times. I'm thinkging something on the order of an 8'x10'. But, who knows, plans can be changed and I may come up with yet something else. For now the blind is it.

That is one heck of an ice shack. I could about live in that thing.

My blind is the Ameristep Doghouse and measures 60" square and 68" tall. It's not too bad for room, but I have a hub blind that is larger and that I like better.

Scalloper, I can't access the link you posted since I'm not a member. Do you have a direct link to the Radio Shack alert?

Thanks.
Posted by: sigpros

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 05:41 PM

I am going to get some bait sites set up. This looks like fun. I am 41 pages into the thread. Need to take a break, eyes hurting
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 07:45 PM

Hey guys, here is a quick set-up, portable blind by Ameristep. I was at Dick's yesterday and got 2 of them. They had them on sale, then a buy one get one free deal. There is actually more room on the inside than I thought it would be. I usually do all my preditor hunting 10' or more off the ground, but I thought these might come in handy for crow hunting, g-hogs, and in a pinch, gobblers. JID, you could probably plop this up on top of your saw horses. Weight is 10.5 pounds and the carry bag can be used like a backpack. Just thought I'd pass it along . . .




Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Jackindistress, I'm definitely hillbilly, with a little redneck thrown in, so liking your shack is not a problem for me. Actually, I like to see innovations that others come up with. It's really interesting. I'd like to see a thread on here about low-cost hunting shacks, stoves etc.

My plan is to build a wood shack, if I can do it without too much money involved. I want it large enough to have a small bunk in it so I can lie down inbetween waiting times. I'm thinkging something on the order of an 8'x10'. But, who knows, plans can be changed and I may come up with yet something else. For now the blind is it.

That is one heck of an ice shack. I could about live in that thing.

My blind is the Ameristep Doghouse and measures 60" square and 68" tall. It's not too bad for room, but I have a hub blind that is larger and that I like better.

Scalloper, I can't access the link you posted since I'm not a member. Do you have a direct link to the Radio Shack alert?

Thanks.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3882712
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Hey guys, here is a quick set-up, portable blind by Ameristep. I was at Dick's yesterday and got 2 of them. They had them on sale, then a buy one get one free deal. There is actually more room on the inside than I thought it would be. I usually do all my preditor hunting 10' or more off the ground, but I thought these might come in handy for crow hunting, g-hogs, and in a pinch, gobblers. JID, you could probably plop this up on top of your saw horses. Weight is 10.5 pounds and the carry bag can be used like a backpack. Just thought I'd pass it along . . .





I have one just like it,I hunt deer mostly on rainy days. Its very comfortable but not sure if I could keep it warm in cold temps.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

My plan is to build a wood shack, if I can do it without too much money involved. I want it large enough to have a small bunk in it so I can lie down inbetween waiting times. I'm thinkging something on the order of an 8'x10'. But, who knows, plans can be changed and I may come up with yet something else. For now the blind is it.

Thanks.

Thats my plan as well. A 8X10 with a bunk and carpet on the floor. I will set up my shooting bench inside with a small shooting window on one end and a door on the other. Man there are some lakes around here I could set up on and I know I could wack-um
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Originally Posted By: 6mm06

My plan is to build a wood shack, if I can do it without too much money involved. I want it large enough to have a small bunk in it so I can lie down inbetween waiting times. I'm thinkging something on the order of an 8'x10'. But, who knows, plans can be changed and I may come up with yet something else. For now the blind is it.

Thanks.

Thats my plan as well. A 8X10 with a bunk and carpet on the floor. I will set up my shooting bench inside with a small shooting window on one end and a door on the other. Man there are some lakes around here I could set up on and I know I could wack-um

A "not-so-dumb-as-you-think" question coming: Why would you need a bunk if you are hunting??? Sleeping, naping, resting and mak'in hay . . . . but hunting? Just curious.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Originally Posted By: 6mm06

My plan is to build a wood shack, if I can do it without too much money involved. I want it large enough to have a small bunk in it so I can lie down inbetween waiting times. I'm thinkging something on the order of an 8'x10'. But, who knows, plans can be changed and I may come up with yet something else. For now the blind is it.

Thanks.

Thats my plan as well. A 8X10 with a bunk and carpet on the floor. I will set up my shooting bench inside with a small shooting window on one end and a door on the other. Man there are some lakes around here I could set up on and I know I could wack-um

A "not-so-dumb-as-you-think" question coming: Why would you need a bunk if you are hunting??? Sleeping, naping, resting and mak'in hay . . . . but hunting? Just curious.

Great question. Around here the coyotes can come to a bait from 9pm-4am so we set up the wireless motion sensor and turn on the heater (could be -20 here tonight) and rest until the beeper sounds,this way we dont need to watch endlessly for hours for nothing.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/23/11 09:08 PM

Scalloper- Do the game cams help to narrow down a regular time period for which they come to the bait or do they pretty much run on their own sporatic schedule?
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 01/24/11 01:45 AM

i set up a bait pile last Wednesday with a lot of deer meat that had gone bad in my freezer, i also set up a old 35mm trail cam on it. it is on a dead end road that runs in front of my family's old farm house. went out tonight to pick it up and all kinds of tracks where they had been up there eating. well come to find out that the camera was on test mode so i didn't get any pictures..... cursing oh well looks like it is time for another baitsicle and set it up right this time
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/24/11 05:54 AM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Scalloper- Do the game cams help to narrow down a regular time period for which they come to the bait or do they pretty much run on their own sporatic schedule?

The pictures I was getting on my game camera were very sporatic from 9pm to 7am.I set up two cameras on the same bait and still would not get pictures some of the time so I do know they at times were coming in but I was not getting photos. Many times I would have the bait hit with many tracks in the snow but no photos. I do not have any cameras out now because the coyotes cleaned up the bait pile that was 75 yds from the bait with the motion sensor. I have been seeing allot of bobcat tracks within 1/2 mile from my home I would like to get a shot at a couple of these during the daylight as I can get $100 ea for them.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/24/11 08:45 PM

No yotes on my cam yet but Ive got several fox hitting it every night. Very sporadic and only at night.
Stopped by Lowes to look for one of these sensors but they had nothing. I think its a great idea though! Especially when theres no snow cover to help in spotting movement w/o clicking the kill light on every 10 minutes which Im sure doesnt help!

All Ive got is a natural blind set up. Not much protection from the elements but it hasnt been below 10F here much, so if I get one of these sensors at least I could lay down to reduce movement and get out of the wind a bit...
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/24/11 11:06 PM

Helmet for Hunting ?
It finally warmed up and the wind laid so I climbed up in the stand at 6:00pm. this evening. Heard only a few critters scurrying around early, then things got real quiet. About an hour passed so I decided to do some calls. Started out with bird distress-nothing. I had a couple coons showing up on the game cam so I thought I'd try some coon chatter with my Griz-n-Grey call. About 30 seconds into calling, something blind-sided me from the right, right up against my head. The hunting cap I was wearing was gone! I thought I heard something down on the bait pile so I turned on the kill light and caught some eyes just on the far left edge of the beam about 20 yrds. out. There sat a Barred owl on the ground with my hat in its talons! I yelled at the bird while waving my arms; it reluctantly flew off. Thank goodness it didn't take my favorite hunting cap with 'em!! I stayed on stand for another hour or so without my hat, but I had one whallop-aloosy headache for sure. My cap has a tear mark on the bill from one of the owl's daggers. I think I need some personal predator protection - thinking 'bout getting a hard hat now to hunt in!?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 01:14 AM

gobblergetter,
I would probably have peed right down my leg! I had one almost get me one time. I was bow hunting and I waited until I got in my stand to put my head net on. I shook it to straighten it out and then just as I started to put it on an owl swooped down and just brushed the top of my head. Not a fun thing to have happen 20 feet up a tree!!

I went out about 6:00 this evening and sat until 11:00. I heard some howling two different places and I thought sure the first group would come in to the bait but I never did see them. I howled some later on and then did some distress calls right before I came in but nothing showed up.

Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 07:47 AM

I sat until after dark last night, made me a snow fort sort of to aid in concealment. Called with some rabbit sounds, and right as dusk used the female invitation, but no takers. I have a bait pile here also, but like my other spots they come close but not feasting as of yet.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 01:48 PM

As to seeing a pattern of when the coyote is coming to the bait, I have narrowed it down quite a bit. He has come to the site everywhere from around 7:00 PM to 6:00 AM, however, he seems to prefer the time period around 9:00 PM and from about 4:00 - 6:00 AM.

In the beginning, when he first began to hit the bait, he was coming more sporadicly, but now that he is more accustomed to the site, he is coming in the 9:00 PM time frame, give or take a little.

I'm sure all coyotes probably don't respond the same as this one, but I like the pattern I am seeing.

I'm waiting for a 45 degree Picatinny mount for my AR, then plan to mount the XLR 250 on it and hunt the time frames the yote is coming. My AR has a Mueller Sport Dot 3x10x44 that has an illuminated dot reticle, so I'm hoping that combination will put the coyote on the ground.

Distance from blind to bait is about 137 yards measured, so I have hopes for the XLR 250. I can also see a real need and desire for night a vision scope on a set-up like this. If and when I may ever decide to purchase one, I'm not sure what I can get that would be good enough for a reasonable price, if that's even possible.

I may have fixed the driveway sensor problem. I narrowed it down even more with tape and gave it a try at the bait site this morning. It seems to be working fine now and not going off prematurely.


EVENING PHOTOS - Look at the pattern of dates and times
















MORNING PHOTOS









Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 02:26 PM

Any of you folks heard anything from Cougar Jim? He hasn't posted anything for several days.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 04:55 PM

I was thinking the same thing yesterday.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 05:04 PM

Been thinking about him as well. Hope all is OK with ya Jim. Give us a post when you can.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 05:13 PM

At 4 pm yesterday my wife called and said there were two coyotes at the bait pile and one was huge. My son was home and she said he was very excited as he was trying for a shot. At 5 pm the beeper went off and my son had the gun in the rest and all ready. The coyote came in but back about 80 yds. The coyote stopped and offered him a nice broadside shot. He waited about 1 hr then went out and found blood. This morning me and a friend went out for two hours and followed tracks but could not find the coyote. The blood had allot of brown coloration in it. It seemed as thoe the coyote was running on 3 legs as it broke threw the crust every step. We found two beds where the two coyotes bedded down. There were so many tracks that we could not follow the same tracks so we lost the animal unsurebut it appears that there has been 2-3 coyotes staying very close to my area for the last 2-3 days. Maybe tonight will be another opportunity. cool
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 05:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
I finally got my Truth Cam 60 to work on video. I don't know what I did different. But it works good now but hard on batteries.

When I changed the batteries, the cam lost the date and time. It suppose to have an internal battery to keep that from happening? But it didn't. So the date and time is not right on the video.

Jim

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This was Jims last post on here.
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 05:36 PM

has anyone pm'ed Cougar Jim, I too sure hope everything is ok with him, so if your out there Jim drop us a line and let us know your ok.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 05:58 PM


I too noticed that Cougar Jim hasn't been on here for a bit. We will all rest better once we know he is ok.
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 06:38 PM

Been ten days since a reply. Hope all is well.

6mm06, I think youve pretty well got that dog on a schedule. 4 nights in a row between 9 and 10 PM....If I was you Id be on the way to the blind right now!!
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 11:52 PM

I hope Jim is OK! mellow

I just wrote this out and the puter went off line cursing

So here I go again...I noticed we have 64 pages of Interesting Information that has came from many Brothers and Sisters. I don't know why we cannot make this a Sticky! This Thread is as interesting if not more than "Annual Groundhog Tally" or "You might be a Coyote Hunter" or "Camo Rifle Sponge Tutorial" or "How to Camo net your Rifle"

Maybe the Moderators don't find it Interesting enough? I'l bet if they did it would be.

So lets have a Poll of how many of us on this Thread would like it made a STICKY! Vote by saying YES
Posted by: PyroZuki

Re: Baiting - 01/25/11 11:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
I hope Jim is OK! mellow

I just wrote this out and the puter went off line cursing

So here I go again...I noticed we have 64 pages of Interesting Information that has came from many Brothers and Sisters. I don't know why we cannot make this a Sticky! This Thread is as interesting if not more than "Annual Groundhog Tally" or "You might be a Coyote Hunter" or "Camo Rifle Sponge Tutorial" or "How to Camo net your Rifle"

Maybe the Moderators don't find it Interesting enough? I'l bet if they did it would be.

So lets have a Poll of how many of us on this Thread would like it made a STICKY! Vote by saying YES


YES


I really enjoyed this read! Lots of good info!

Pyro
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 07:36 AM

You know you have aYES from me!

Mr. Moderator: What exactly is the criteria for a thread to become a sticky? Is it based on the subject matter, the number of hits, or the number of replies? Is this information availible somewhere on this forum?
gg
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 12:13 PM

Maybe we need to start an "email the moderator campaign".
I sent a message to one that is on the board of directors on Jan. 2 asking for a sub forum or at sticky and was told no.
Posted by: CJM045

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 03:04 PM

This is certainly a very relevant thread to a lot of us out there working on our first bait sites or refining techniques that are years in the making. It was after reading it (when it was only 10 pages or so) that I decided to stop just lurking and join PM. It's also quite impressive that I was able to read on here a preview of what was going to be in outdoor life magazine from the author himself. It's a great deal of information and I'd just like to say thanks to all who have contributed.

Chris
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 03:09 PM

Why does it matter if it is sticky or not? The thread is still alive and quite frequently on the first page, and growing by the day.

I've enjoyed the thread and learned a lot and hope to continue to read it, but it doesn't matter to me if it is sticky or not.

Just saying...
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 04:02 PM

you got a yes from me too
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: CJM045
This is certainly a very relevant thread to a lot of us out there working on our first bait sites or refining techniques that are years in the making. It was after reading it (when it was only 10 pages or so) that I decided to stop just lurking and join PM. It's also quite impressive that I was able to read on here a preview of what was going to be in outdoor life magazine from the author himself. It's a great deal of information and I'd just like to say thanks to all who have contributed.

Chris

Welcome to the site.Put this infomation to use and help the Maine deer herd thumbup
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 05:15 PM

Perhaps if folks started making a new "baiting" thread every day instead of just one big one then it might get its own subforum.

Know what I mean? Get a bunch of threads going in different directions and then it will show a need.

As long as things get contained in one thread there is not, nor probably will ever be, a need for a subforum.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Maybe we need to start an "email the moderator campaign".
I sent a message to one that is on the board of directors on Jan. 2 asking for a sub forum or at sticky and was told no.


Sent email this evening to Mr. Farish requesting PM's established criteria for sub-forums and "stickys".
gg
Posted by: gwh

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 08:45 PM

No lets not. I like to come to one place and read this info. If the mods do not want to sticky this topic who cares keep this one going and post in it and we can all enjoy this information in a consolidated place as I do.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Maybe we need to start an "email the moderator campaign".
I sent a message to one that is on the board of directors on Jan. 2 asking for a sub forum or at sticky and was told no.


Sent email this evening to Mr. Farish requesting PM's established criteria for sub-forums and "stickys".
gg


Thank you Mr. Farish! The sticky is most appreciated!!
gg
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 09:27 PM


We all like to call coyotes. There's just something rewarding and special about that. However, here in the East it's not always so easy. Some may do it better than others, some have more coyote populations than others, and some (like me) hunt darn hard to get a few.

I just finished watching Byron South's video today, "When Predators Become Prey." I enjoyed the heck out of that video. It is nice to see coyotes come to the call, and to especially see doubles, triples and even four respond. I realize that Byron doesn't kill coyotes on every stand and probably has a lot of hard hunting to shoot the ones he does, but at least he has a huntable population. While the video is really enjoyable, educational and entertaining, it just isn't how things are here.

I've been baiting "one" coyote for a couple of weeks now. No other coyote has shown up (according to the tail camera), just that one. I've tried calling him two or three times, with no luck. This is why I am interested in baiting, because that may be the only way I can collect just one coyote for the season.

Last year I shot three coyotes after a lot of hard hunting, and two were on bait, but not deliberately placed. Now I realize that I'm no expert, but I also realize that I have enough knowledge to do a reasonable job with calling coyotes. The problem is a lack of coyotes to call, terrain that doesn't allow for good stands, and perhaps some educated yotes at that.

So, baiting may not sound like the primo way to do it, but for guys like me, it may be.

For now I'm seriously thinking about night vision optics, a hunting shed and alert sensor as allowing me to have some good times. I prefer to call, but I'll hunt bait if need be.

Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 09:34 PM

+1 on GGs Post! Thank you Mr. Farish smile
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 09:58 PM

thank you Mr. Farish for the sticky, a lot of good information on here. we had a family who run cattle for us when i worked for the coal mine and when he had a cow that he had to put down, we would load it up and put it out in one of our fields, baiting makes for some good hunting on many different kinds predators..
Posted by: NY Yote hunter

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 10:49 PM

Thanks for the sticky Mr. Farish!!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 10:55 PM

+2 on GGs Post! Thank you Mr. Farish.

And, thank you Connie for taking time to write him.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/26/11 11:15 PM

Have you all noticed that after an extended cold spell where your bait is frozen solid, that as soon as there is a warmer sunny day and it thaws quite a bit the coyotes hit the bait earlier in the evening than normal?

I was having a lot of activity from about 11:pm through 4:am and then a cold wave hit and activity at the bait slowed down. The big pieces of bait were froze so solid that I think they gave up on it. Then we had a couple warmer days with sunshine and it thawed the meat a little and they were hitting the bait a lot earlier.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/27/11 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
+2 on GGs Post! Thank you Mr. Farish.

And, thank you Connie for taking time to write him.

For future reference: Mr. Stu Farish is PM's Directer/WebMaster. His response to my inquiry was subforums/stickys are determined on a case by case basis and "What did I have in mind?" I requested the "Baiting" thread by Cougar Jim be considered do to the fact it has received over 26,000 views and 600+ replies which contains insightful information related to baiting.
Faster than you can say "bait pile" it was stuck as a "sticky"!
Once again, thank you Mr. Farish for recognizing this topic and seeing that a "sticky" was warrented. thumbup
Posted by: justshoot

Re: Baiting - 01/27/11 11:26 AM

Thanks Stu Farish!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/27/11 01:43 PM


The coyote continues to come to the bait during the same times of evenings and mornings. This is becoming interesting. He is usually on the bait sometime in the 9:00 PM range and lingers around for a couple of hours, then again from around 4:00 AM to 6:00 AM.

I've not hunted for him yet, just allowing him to get comfortable while I wait for an AR mount to put the XLR 250 on.

I added new photos to my previous post on page 32. Go back and take a look at the dates and times.

Has anyone else had a coyote pattern like this, or is this one unusual?

Man, I wish I had a good night vision scope!!

Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/27/11 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Have you all noticed that after an extended cold spell where your bait is frozen solid, that as soon as there is a warmer sunny day and it thaws quite a bit the coyotes hit the bait earlier in the evening than normal?

I was having a lot of activity from about 11:pm through 4:am and then a cold wave hit and activity at the bait slowed down. The big pieces of bait were froze so solid that I think they gave up on it. Then we had a couple warmer days with sunshine and it thawed the meat a little and they were hitting the bait a lot earlier.



They definatly changed up on visiting the bait station here. Thier tracks in the snow are showing that they come up to it, and then come through my yard to chase rabbits. Lot's of rabbits here. This weekend, I will be also ,"changeing up"....Time to get the .22 rifle out. For some close range action.....
Haven't had much time to go out lately. Jim Croce type of thing."The job's a hassle and the kid's with the flu"
But I have not given up........
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/27/11 11:29 PM

3+ Thanks for the sticky Mr. Farish!!!!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 03:53 PM

Last night at 9:46 a coyote came into my bait, after a few minutes of cat and mouse the coyote offered me a quartering head on shot. I put the cross hairs between the neck and shoulder and sent the Hornaday 55 gr .223 Superformance on its way. It dropped then scurried off. Me and my son tracked the coyote last night until 11pm then I went back with snow shoes this morning.I found 12 bloody beds where the coyote bedded down and who knows how much blood while tracking it. After jumping the coyote 4 times this morning and chasing it for 2 1/2 miles(on GPS) across four brooks and falling threw the last one ,with snowshoes on to boot. I gave up. Man,even with the snow shoes on I would still go over my knees in snow at times. This makes three shots this week at my bait pile but only one confirmed kill two wounded badly. It amazes me as to how tough these animals are.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 05:53 PM

Sounds like it is time to buy a bigger gun with more poop for those shots that are not broadside,how about a 416 Rigby.-LOL
I hate when I lose one like that.

Finaly got my trail cam in the mail and set it out today(Reconyx)also put a road kill deer on the bait pile today and I hope to have some pics soon.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 06:33 PM

Maybe I should use my 7 Mag
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 07:55 PM

7 Mag now that should work great.
Before I had my 243 wssm I used to use my 30-378 weatherby sometimes because it is fast and flat and a lot of my shots could be long range.I can tell you that a 180gr bullet plants them to the ground.
I think that a lot of our losses come from close range hits and the bullet self distructs to quick(splash).Do we expect to much from the bullets we use(yes)I dont think that a bullet will ever be made to do all things at all ranges and at all velosities.
I have never owned a 223 but did use a rem 17 for a while and moved up to a 22-250 than to the 243wssm and I think I now have a keeper for yote hunting the 243wssm is my go to gun.
I saw a 270 splash on a deer once and it was not good but it was very close and I am sure the wrong bullet type did not help.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 08:31 PM

I am having better luck with the regular old 55 grain soft point bullets for closer range shots (100 yards and less) over bait.

I think the ballistic tip bullets are a little too fragile at the higher velocities if they hit bone. I hate those head on shots especially at night. There is just too little room for error.
Posted by: Dirtydude

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 10:47 PM

I used to bait back in the day on the farm with dead cows and such, but nothing like this!

You all are the master baiters, I learned a lot from reading this thread -front to back-

keep it up, and please MORE PICS
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/28/11 11:27 PM

+1 on the soft points 55gr., but I am going to pick up a couple of boxes of the Hornady Performance this weekend just to try them.

Geez, things have been really slow on stand the last several nights. Not even a "wood rat". The flying squirrels keep me intertained though! My resident red was in for a bite this afternoon-funny how it gets scared of the bait and leaves. (video)

And this resident red is on the other farm I hunt. He calls the orchard "home". . . with belly full. . .


And a nap! (pic.)



Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 12:12 AM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

The coyote continues to come to the bait during the same times of evenings and mornings. This is becoming interesting. He is usually on the bait sometime in the 9:00 PM range and lingers around for a couple of hours, then again from around 4:00 AM to 6:00 AM.

Has anyone else had a coyote pattern like this, or is this one unusual?

Last night I got to looking at some Photos on Bait (Road kill Deer)back when I had my farm. You may see a pattern.ightsniper52/Picture048.jpg[/IMG]
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 12:46 AM


Notice the time between Fox and Yote. Also thats a 4' chainlink fence,They had to jump it every time to get to the Bait. Most of the activity was 12 midnight and 6:30 mellow
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 11:26 AM

As I write this I have a eagle in my bait pile right now,how cool is that to look out your window and see a eagle?
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
As I write this I have a eagle in my bait pile right now,how cool is that to look out your window and see a eagle?

Way cool to see but they are not the most respectable birds of prey - such the opportunists and theives they are. Ben Franklin nailed it with his descrition of the bird a long time ago . . way before DDT, of course. A couple of Bald eagle pics. from my game cam.




And an immature Bald eagle. Man, they can devour some bait quickly . .

I had to rescue and injured adult male a few years back. Not sure which was more humbling- his razor sharp talons or his piercing eagle stare through those yellow eyes. It was quite an experience.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 07:20 PM


Great photos, Gobblergetter.

Jeff, that's amazing the yote and fox would jump that fence. I never thought about such things, but good to know they will do it.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 07:34 PM

6mm- Have you had a chance at that gorgous yote you've had showing up on your cam.? He/she shows up nice on your camera.
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 08:04 PM

i also have a bald eagle visiting my bait. they are slowly growing in numbers here in the northeast of vermont.still rare to see them here.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 09:21 PM


Gobblergetter,

He / she is coming to the bait every night for about two weeks. I've been taking it slow and letting it warm up to the site.

This one coyote is all the trail camera has reported, other than a red fox and some skunks. I definitely want to take this one, so just playing it safe right now.

I'm concerned that the distance from my blind to the site may be a bit too far, 137 yards measured. Not sure if the kill light will illuminate enough for a shot, and I sure don't want to spook it and miss. I've been waiting on a mount to attach the light to my AR, not in any hurry since the yote seems to be coming every night.

Today I moved the bait site a bit closer to my blind. I put out some good morsels at 65 yards, cutting the distance in half. Not sure how the coyote might react to that. It might make him more skiddish. I don't have a trail camera on the new site yet, but will soon.

I've also been thinking about night vision lately, reading reviews until I'm about to go blind, and today ordered a Gen 1 scope from Sportsman's Guide. The good thing is it is returnable for full refund if I'm not satisfied. Can't beat that policy, so will give it a try. I know everyone says to go with a Gen 3, or maybe a 2, but if the Gen 1 will work at 65 yards, then hopefully that coytoe will hit the dirt.

Basically I'm in no hurry right now. Taking him with night vision would be primo. Will see how that works out on the range before attempting to hunt him.

For the future, I can see good night vision sitting on my AR.

David
Posted by: junglekat

Re: Baiting - 01/29/11 11:34 PM

Great thread.Keep up the work guys.On my cousins farm.When the cows die they drag them up the hollow.Been getting some great pics.Bobcats,yotes,racoons.The daytime only crows.In kentucky you can't kill them after dark.The cameras are still out.I am new to this coyote stuff.Been out about 6 times called one in last week and missed rushed the shot.Last week of december,I was walking to the truck from my house.Seen one in my field walked back in got the 7mm magnum.Not a problem 175 yards.I have killed yotes before.But I was deer hunting.They were just victims of circumstance.But when you just hunt for yotes or bobcats.It is a lot harder than,I thought.Keep up the good work guys.I will get past this learning curve soon.Then they have had a bad day.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 01:23 AM

Welcome Junglekat! smile
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 08:40 AM

Welcome Junglekat. You nailed it,coyotes seem easy until you start hunting them. LOL
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 09:17 AM

6mm- Hey, when you get your nightvision scope let me know how that works out . .I'm curious.
From all the claims, the kill light-250 should reach out there to your 137yrd. mark, but I would feel more comfortable to take a shot at 65yrd. myself. Keep us posted-
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 11:19 AM

No eagles on mine but this redtail has been doing his best to fend off the bussards. He spends hours everyday standing on top the bait just to keep the vultures and crows off of it.

Two hawks(redtail and falcon?) fighting over the bait..

Horned(?) owl that is visiting every night..

And a daytime Red. The foxes are hitting it almost every hour thru the night from 6PM to after sunrise. Getting almost 40 pics/night of red fox.


I spent two hours on the blind Friday night and watched four fox check out the bait. Walked in on one in the field when I approached and lip-squeaked him in to 35 yards. Lots of fun! No yotes yet on this bait pile though...
Im not sure they are gonna find this bait pile but the spot was too good not to try. All the yotes I have called have been on the north side of the farm, and I suspect that they just dont travel this hollow. Now that bow season is over I can start a bait pile in that area!
On another note, I found a dead calf a few weeks ago that was ditched in the edge of the woods about 400 yds from this baitpile. Hasnt been touched until recently, and after this snow I found just how hard the fox were hitting it. Best part is, being inside the woods a bit, the birds havent touched it! May add a baitsicle and trail cam and see what happens...
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 01:29 PM


Junglekat, welcome to the forums. This is a great place to learn. I still am after several years at it.

Dobro, nice photo of the redtail. The camera got that at just the right time.

Gobblergetter, I'm anxious to see how the night vision scope works. I know it's not the coveted Gen 3, but if it will work at the 65 yard range or maybe up to 100 yards, I'll be happy. I had actually wanted to purchase a Pulsar N550 digital scope that has some good ratings, but it cost around $1400. It is out of stock at Sportsman's Guide, so I settled on an ATN 410 Spartan. I don't know what to expect so this will be a trial run for me with night vision. I found some YouTube posts of the MK 350 that's not too bad, and it's a similar scope to the 410 except for the magnification. Maybe it will be good enough for my purpose. I have looked at scopes on TNVC and they have some good ones, but about $2,000 is the cheapest that would be worth having. I hope to have some good night vision one of these days.

As to the XLR-250, I can see at my 100 yard shooting range, but it's not as bright as I had expected from all the reports I had read. It would really be stretching things at 137 yards, and getting on a coyote after he has been lit up might be a problem.

I don't won't to risk the chance of scaring the yote off. I'm having a lot of fun with just keeping him coming and getting trail camera photos. I want to take him cleanly and that's why I'm just biding my time until I think the conditions of me shooting are right.

The coyote came a bit later one night than others, and yet the following night he came a bit earlier. But at least he is coming every night within a two or three hour time period.






Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 01:50 PM

I picked up a freshly hit little buck off the side of my road today. Tore up pretty good but not too badly to use for bait. He was still floppy and warm.

I dragged him out into one of the fields and staked him to the ground with a stake and some chain. I went on and opened him up and rolled some of the guts out so the smell can catch the wind. This is only about a 150 yards from where I called up a yote Friday night so they're in the area.

Gonna wait till midnight and then sit out there all night if I have to.
Posted by: junglekat

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 02:31 PM

Thanks for the welcome guys.I have figured out,I am a better deer hunter than a predator caller,Also a better deer hunter than predator hunter over bait.Yotes are a lot tuffer to get when you are just after them.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 03:03 PM

I went out today and did a little calling, haven't hunted this place in two years, its a backwaters of a dam, no real access to it except to walk the ice from the dam, several miles of twisting river backwaters, It is a great place to hunt when the ice is good and the snow isn't to deep so you can walk some. Lots of fingers leading into swampy areas holding rabbits and partridge with overlooking bluffs in some area's. I was set up on a bluff overlooking the river, had the caller going, wind is from the northwest, right to left in the video. no coyotes, but one hawk and one adult eagle, camera was mounted on top of the scope on the ar,(you can just see the end of the bbl in the video) still need to get something in to shoot to see how the camera system works. Rifle was in the shooting sticks so when I picked it up to get the hawk in the tree it spotted the movement and fled the scene.

Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Gobblergetter,

He / she is coming to the bait every night for about two weeks. I've been taking it slow and letting it warm up to the site.

This one coyote is all the trail camera has reported, other than a red fox and some skunks. I definitely want to take this one, so just playing it safe right now.

I'm concerned that the distance from my blind to the site may be a bit too far, 137 yards measured. Not sure if the kill light will illuminate enough for a shot, and I sure don't want to spook it and miss. I've been waiting on a mount to attach the light to my AR, not in any hurry since the yote seems to be coming every night.

Today I moved the bait site a bit closer to my blind. I put out some good morsels at 65 yards, cutting the distance in half. Not sure how the coyote might react to that. It might make him more skiddish. I don't have a trail camera on the new site yet, but will soon.

I've also been thinking about night vision lately, reading reviews until I'm about to go blind, and today ordered a Gen 1 scope from Sportsman's Guide. The good thing is it is returnable for full refund if I'm not satisfied. Can't beat that policy, so will give it a try. I know everyone says to go with a Gen 3, or maybe a 2, but if the Gen 1 will work at 65 yards, then hopefully that coytoe will hit the dirt.

Basically I'm in no hurry right now. Taking him with night vision would be primo. Will see how that works out on the range before attempting to hunt him.

For the future, I can see good night vision sitting on my AR.

David

My neighbor bought the same scope and tried to sell it to me last week. I think it may work out to 50 yds on snow but they only have 2X magnifacation. So I tried it but I did not feel as thoe I could make a ethical shot at my bait pile. But the Kill light is more then enough for 150+yds.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 05:59 PM


DannyK, nice video clips. Beautiful place, looks like a lot of snow on the ground.

Thanks Scalloper, I will return it if it doesn't work for me. The 410 is rated for 5x, but may just be marketing hype. The MK 350 for 2.5x I think. It may be junk. All I'll be out is shipping back to them so I felt I needed to give it a try to satisfy my own curiosity.

You may be right, the kill light may work better. I moved the site to 65 yards from my blind, so shouldn't have as much trouble with that.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 06:26 PM

Danny- What a neat area to hunt! You certainly had that hawk convinced it had a free meal. You said no luck in calling any yotes in, how about signs? Tracks, etc.?
I do quite a bit of video taping, mostly turkey and deer, using a tripod or a tree mount. Do you use a special camera that's made to be mounted to a gun or did you make/buy a mount for a camera you had?
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: hsracer201
Gonna wait till midnight and then sit out there all night if I have to.

racer- I admire your tenacity! thumbup1
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Originally Posted By: hsracer201
Gonna wait till midnight and then sit out there all night if I have to.

racer- I admire your tenacity! thumbup1


I went out the other night in 20 degree temps. and curled up in my sleeping bag and waited from 7:pm until 3:am for them to come in but of course that was the night that they didn't come. They really hit that bait hard last night though so I am debating on whether to got and sit again tonight. We have a major winter storm moving in starting Monday and they are telling us to be prepared for extended power outages and in excess of 12 inches of snow with up to 3/4" of ice. Once the storm passes the winds are supposed to pick up to around 40 mph and have wind chill readings to -20 so the hunting won't be very productive for the next few days. Once the storm is over and the temps warm just a little the coyotes should be moving though.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:04 PM

OK, so I went out this weekend and got some boxes of the Hornady Superformance Varmint 53gr. in .223. Took the scope off my AR last night, put it back on and figured on using the Hornadys today to sight the scope back in. Laser boresighted it first . . . that was a joke . . .anyways, my last 4 shots looked like this:

Yikes!I definatly need more practice here.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:08 PM

Jack- Read my tag line wink
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:14 PM

Gobblergetter,
I noticed the other day that on your AR, you had both of the scope rings behind the adjustment turrets on your scope. Did you have to set it up like that in order to have room to mount your Lightforce light? I wondered if that ever caused you to have any problems keeping your scope sighted in. It just looked to me like there was a lot of scope tube ahead of the mounts.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Jack- Read my tag line wink


Yeah, I know,

Gary
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:22 PM

[quote=gobblergetter]Danny- What a neat area to hunt! You certainly had that hawk convinced it had a free meal. You said no luck in calling any yotes in, how about signs? Tracks, etc.?
I do quite a bit of video taping, mostly turkey and deer, using a tripod or a tree mount. Do you use a special camera that's made to be mounted to a gun or did you make/buy a mount for a camera you had? [/quote

I just made a mount out of a piece of aluminum strap, the scope on the ar is burris ar332, has a weaver type mount on the top cap, all I did was use a low mount 1 inch scope mount, sandwich the aluminum strap in between the two halfs of the scope mount, mark the holes and drill the strap, then re assemble the mount. Drilled a hole to allow the 1/4X20 bolt to screw into the camera. Mounting the whole thing to the scope is via a thumb screw, easy on, easy off. Camera is a cannon power shot sx110is with a 10X optical zoom.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Gobblergetter,
I noticed the other day that on your AR, you had both of the scope rings behind the adjustment turrets on your scope. Did you have to set it up like that in order to have room to mount your Lightforce light? I wondered if that ever caused you to have any problems keeping your scope sighted in. It just looked to me like there was a lot of scope tube ahead of the mounts.

You know, there is ALOT of scope tube up in the front. 1.) I needed room to mount my Lightforce, true but 2.)because of the eye relief I need with that scope, I ran out of rail so everything is mounted in back or behind the turrets. I had a problem at first with one of the rings being loose. Answer to that was, the little metal plate that fits down into the rail had fallen out when I attached the scope rings and didn't know it. That's why I took the scope off last night. Found the little plate and put in back into the mount and tightened everything down. I'm sure what I have is NOT a good setup. I was guessing either get a smaller scope or add a rail. What are your suggestions?
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 07:50 PM

Danny, I LIKE that setup- very nice indeed. Wondering what effect, if any, recoil will have on the camera parts.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 08:25 PM

Connie,
That is what I thought about the eye relief also. It looked like if you moved it back any farther it would be right in your face. I don't know anything about the mount options for the AR's but it just looks like it would be good if you had a mount that would let you get another ring towards the front of the scope. If you end up having any trouble with it working like it is I think I would go to the AR section of this forum and post a picture of your setup and see if those guys know of a way to add an extended base of some kind.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 09:17 PM

Gobblegetter, take a look at the burris pepr that is what
I have on my other ar with a 50mm scope on it, one piece mount plenty of adjustment for fore and aft. Also has the weaver type mount on the top of the scope caps for mounting other things, there is also the larue mount, and I think RRA has a cantilever type mount that is nice for flat top ar platforms also.



Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 09:20 PM

Gary(indistress): I thought maybe too hold off and see if I have any problems with it; if so, I'll check on the AR gang and see what they suggest. Thank you.

(edit) Danny-thanks I will definatly take a gander at those suggestions.

{Geezie-Peezie, some of you "Yote Baiters" . . with your duplexes in the great outdoors complete with bunks and goose-down sleeping bags . . . What is this predator hunting world coming too!!! lol}

On a serious note: My worry level is now at a stage 3 for Cougar Jim. Anyone heard anything from him yet?
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 09:30 PM


Does anyone have contact with Jim? It's been too long with no reply from him.
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 09:45 PM

i was kinda wondering that myself about jim, been a long while and he hasn't been on here
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/30/11 11:05 PM

Hey gang,
I too have been worried about Jim. I checked his web site this evening and I see that he has made an update on it two days ago. I sent him an email to let him know we are wondering about him. He has other hobbies besides this so hopefully he is busy with them.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 07:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Hey gang,
I too have been worried about Jim. I checked his web site this evening and I see that he has made an update on it two days ago. I sent him an email to let him know we are wondering about him. He has other hobbies besides this so hopefully he is busy with them.

Gary, thanks for shooting the email to him and am glad to hear he has been active on his website. Good news.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 09:52 AM

Well, I didn't get a reply to the email that I sent to Jim last night. His web site had a link showing that he had posted a link to a product in his web forum thing "2 days ago" but this morning it is still showing 2 days ago, so not sure if that is even working or not. Still a little concerned about him.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 10:08 AM

Connie reminded me that her tag line reads "you don't know if you don't go". I decided I better go. I could hear the wind howling before I even opened the door to go outside. I trudged on into the predawn darkness, hoping that something would come into the bait. We have a very dangerous ice and snow storm moving in and I wanted to hunt it one more time before the storm shut everything down.

As it got light enough to see across the field I could see the cow carcass that I had out for bait but it didn't look like anything was around. Then, all at once I saw movement. A coyote was back behind the bait and was partly hidden from my view. I cranked my scope up to 12 power and waited for him to step into the open. He was acting pretty nervous so as soon as the cross hairs settled behind his shoulder I pulled the trigger. I heard the bullet "plop" and he bolted but tumbled within about 30 yards. The 50 grain V-max bullet from the 22-250 center punched him right behind he shoulder. Range was about 150 yards and it is a male.





NOAA is forecasting up to an inch of ice and snow on top of that for the next couple of days so I am going to put a tarp over my baits until after the storm. They are telling us to be prepared for extended power outages.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 10:58 AM

Good Job
You just gotta love a 250
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 11:25 AM

congrats nice coyote
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Connie reminded me that her tag line reads "you don't know if you don't go". I decided I better go. I could hear the wind howling before I even opened the door to go outside. I trudged on into the predawn darkness, hoping that something would come into the bait. We have a very dangerous ice and snow storm moving in and I wanted to hunt it one more time before the storm shut everything down.

As it got light enough to see across the field I could see the cow carcass that I had out for bait but it didn't look like anything was around. Then, all at once I saw movement. A coyote was back behind the bait and was partly hidden from my view. I cranked my scope up to 12 power and waited for him to step into the open. He was acting pretty nervous so as soon as the cross hairs settled behind his shoulder I pulled the trigger. I heard the bullet "plop" and he bolted but tumbled within about 30 yards. The 50 grain V-max bullet from the 22-250 center punched him right behind he shoulder. Range was about 150 yards and it is a male.





NOAA is forecasting up to an inch of ice and snow on top of that for the next couple of days so I am going to put a tarp over my baits until after the storm. They are telling us to be prepared for extended power outages.





Nice Male JID. You just saved 1.87 Springtime Deer Fawns..
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 02:03 PM

Quote: "
Nice Male JID. You just saved 1.87 Springtime Deer Fawns.."

Yeah, I have saved 39.27 since this time last year. Hopefully it will help the deer hunting around here.

Weaponx, are you ready for this big snow? Should be some hungry coyotes once this storm blows through.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 02:38 PM

I didn't make it all night last night like I wanted, but I sat out there forever. Nothing.

At daybreak it was still untouched. I went home for lunch and my bait pile has 15 buzzards and 2 hawks on it. Surely they will devour it pretty quickly.

I hope there will be some luck tonight.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 08:58 PM

Jackindistress,

That is primo. You must have a bunch of them in your neck-of-the-woods. Even though coyotes are bad news, I kind-of wish we had more here to give me some good hunting opportunities.

Nice job on that one at 150 yards.

I was hoping coyotes would hit my bait during daylight hours like they did last year, but so far it just hasn't happened. Only one yote is coming to the bait, and at night. Maybe I'll get him soon.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 09:44 PM

Winter storm is moving in here. Power went off about 1/2 hour ago. I had to switch over to my Laptop computer. My internet service is cellular wireless and my Yagi antenna mounted on the roof of my house is covered in ice already. Having trouble keeping and EVDO signal.

From the National Weather Service:
THE GREATEST SNOWFALL AMOUNTS WILL LIKELY OCCUR ACROSS CENTRAL
AND NORTHEAST MISSOURI AND WEST CENTRAL ILLINOIS...WHERE AMOUNTS
BETWEEN 12 TO 21 INCHES INCHES WILL BE LIKELY. ICE ACCUMULATIONS
OF ONE HALF INCH TO ONE INCH ARE LIKELY FOR AREAS SOUTH AND EAST
OF SAINT LOUIS...IN SOUTHEAST MISSOURI AND SOUTHWEST ILLINOIS.

I have to get off of here for now. Will try and get online for a few minutes tomorrow.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/31/11 11:47 PM

Gary- And now "You know". Cool looking yote. Congrats! His color around his neck and face looks like he's got some grey fox mixed in.
I went out and hunted this bait pile where this coon with the scar-like patch across his shoulders has been feasting.

At 8pm he came in to the bait and I shot him off the pile. I gave him a closer look and it appears to be mange. Never seen it on a coon before, just on red fox. It doesn't look or smell anything like the fox I've seen with it. Tomorrow, if I get a chance, I'll take a pic. I didn't want to mess with him tonight especially if he's sick with something.
With a storm on our heels, I expected to see more activity then I did. The bummer of the night was when the tie-up rope on my stand broke as I was lowering my AR down to the ground. I probably knocked my scope all outta whack and here I just sighted it in yesterday frown.
All ya'll affected by this "big storm" be safe and stay as warm as best ya can.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 01:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Connie reminded me that her tag line reads "you don't know if you don't go". I decided I better go. I could hear the wind howling before I even opened the door to go outside. I trudged on into the predawn darkness, hoping that something would come into the bait. We have a very dangerous ice and snow storm moving in and I wanted to hunt it one more time before the storm shut everything down.

As it got light enough to see across the field I could see the cow carcass that I had out for bait but it didn't look like anything was around. Then, all at once I saw movement. A coyote was back behind the bait and was partly hidden from my view. I cranked my scope up to 12 power and waited for him to step into the open. He was acting pretty nervous so as soon as the cross hairs settled behind his shoulder I pulled the trigger. I heard the bullet "plop" and he bolted but tumbled within about 30 yards. The 50 grain V-max bullet from the 22-250 center punched him right behind he shoulder. Range was about 150 yards and it is a male.





NOAA is forecasting up to an inch of ice and snow on top of that for the next couple of days so I am going to put a tarp over my baits until after the storm. They are telling us to be prepared for extended power outages.




Great job thumbup thumbup
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06
Jackindistress,

That is primo. You must have a bunch of them in your neck-of-the-woods. Even though coyotes are bad news, I kind-of wish we had more here to give me some good hunting opportunities.

Nice job on that one at 150 yards.

I was hoping coyotes would hit my bait during daylight hours like they did last year, but so far it just hasn't happened. Only one yote is coming to the bait, and at night. Maybe I'll get him soon.


Are you sure you want to shoot the last one around? Then what will you hunt?
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 03:36 PM

How come no one else seems to be having the problem with buzzards that I do?

Anything I put out they immediately eat. Would putting bait in the woods cut down on the buzzards? I have a ton of photos of them, but I thought this one was kinda funny.

It's like he's looking at the camera with an attitude and saying "What you looking at? You want some?" lol.

Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 04:55 PM

Heck,we ate the last buzzard in these parts years ago crazy. Times are tough all over cry
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 06:45 PM

Got Bussards??


HS, I think yours is sayin, "You cant shoot me [beeep], Im protected...bring me some more meat!"
Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 06:48 PM

As for puttin your bait in the woods Im gonna try that this weekend. Found a calf that the farmer ditched in a wooded draw that hasnt been touched by the birds. Canine tracks all around it. Gonna move my bait pile about 1/2 mile from the bait pile above so the bussards wont be able to find it so easy...Ill let ya know if they do.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 07:53 PM


[/quote]
Are you sure you want to shoot the last one around? Then what will you hunt? [/quote]


Yea, that's the bad thing. Once he's gone, there doesn't appear to be any others.

Today I retrieved trail camera photos and no coyote. That's the first time I haven't got photos of him for almost two weeks. My camera is acting up again after I reset it per instructions of Wildgame Innovations, so that may be the problem, but I did get a photo of the red fox.

I have another camera on order and should have it in a day or two, so I'm hoping that coyote is still about. After being fed so good, surely he is still around.

Hsracer, that's a great photo. What model camera do you have?

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 09:23 PM

hsracer- I got buzzards too but nothing like Dobro's got!! I did have a mess a crows tearing one of my piles to pieces but I shot one Sat. and hung it right over top the bait. Not a one on the camera(so far). Dobro, maybe you could try covering the cow with leaf litter to camoflage it for a little while at least.
Went out this evening, got 1 possum before the rain chased me out. I did get pics of the boar I shot last night. If anyone can recognize or "guess" what ailed his skin, that would be great. I usually give my fur animals to a buddy of mine who sells furs, but not this one.


Posted by: Dobro

Re: Baiting - 02/01/11 10:56 PM

Perhaps a body-grip escapee?? Looks like the skin is scabbed up in the middle? Your fur-buyer friend could prolly tell you if its mange or not. Either way its of little value Im sure.

The carcass in my bussard pic is a deer. Ive decided that adding to that bait pile is just keeping the birds around, and the deer carcass is what attracted them in the first place. Even though Ive gotten the attention of some red fox and coons, the bussards have done a lot of damage. So far theyve eaten 2 whole deer, 8 ribcages, and a roadkilled tomcat in two and a half weeks. So Ill start a new site with just a bait-sicle and some fresh scraps just inside the cover of the woods, on the OTHER SIDE of the farm!. Crows are a problem here too though and travel over the farm all day long.
I did the same thing you did GG, killed a crow and displayed it at the baitpile. Killed two more crows off of it 30 minutes later cursing
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 12:04 AM

Well,I thought tonight was going to produce and it did. After seeing all the tracks the last two nights in the area I live,I thought tonight may be productive. We are getting a blizzard tomorrow and the last few weeks seem to produce a coyote at my bait before a storm. At 11:30 my beeper went off signaling somthing was at my bait. After fighting with opening my sliding glass door I rested the crosshairs of my AR .223 on the frount shoulder of this small female coyote. Thats number 5 on my bait sence Jan 1st. Not bad thumbup1

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 12:34 AM

Congratulations Scalloper! thumbup1 Looks like ya knocked the bone right out of her mouth there.

Dobro- No, I meant try covering the calf up with leaf litter, that deer in the pic. with all the buzzards is history for sure.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 12:37 AM

Nice Yote Scalloper. Keep droppin' them!!!!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 08:46 AM

Nice job Scalloper. Keep it up!!!
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 08:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Quote: "
Nice Male JID. You just saved 1.87 Springtime Deer Fawns.."

Yeah, I have saved 39.27 since this time last year. Hopefully it will help the deer hunting around here.

Weaponx, are you ready for this big snow? Should be some hungry coyotes once this storm blows through.


Yes I am! It's going be Great!

Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 09:26 AM

Well, I see you got you a fresh bait pile. Watch out or that dog is going to get it though. If he claims it for his own like he does those coyotes I would just let him have it.

Keep after them coyotes!
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 09:36 AM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Hsracer, that's a great photo. What model camera do you have?



To be honest I do not remember and I threw away the box. I might have the manual still but either way it is just the $50 Tasco camera found at Walmart. It is set on low quality pictures right now so I can hold more on my memory card. That pic was taken at 1.5 megapixels. It has the option to go to 3.2 I believe.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 09:51 AM

Nice job scalloper
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Well, I see you got you a fresh bait pile. Watch out or that dog is going to get it though. If he claims it for his own like he does those coyotes I would just let him have it.

Keep after them coyotes!


If that dog went thru the ice...he would be Happy! I chopped a hole in the ice, with a chainsaw, couple years back. He went for a swim....Nothing bothers him!
Got the quad out in the 17" of snow we got. Fetched up my spare deer. Had it at another bait site. Won't be hunting down there, so brought it back with the other carcus,closer to home. This is going be fun!

Good thing I got Maxxis Mudzilla's for tires...those thing bite!

Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 01:39 PM

The F-150 got a work-out today too!



So did the Dog!Got his exercize.......

Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 03:32 PM

Weaponx,
So you're the one that got the other 7" of snow that I was supposed to get yesterday! We ended up with about 2" of ice and sleet on the fields here. The fields are white and it looks like snow but it is frozen solid. I had my bait covered with a plastic tarp because I knew if it came as much ice and snow as they were predicting there would be no way a coyote could get to the bait through the ice. I went out this morning and chopped the tarps loose and put out more fresh bait at my spot closer to the house.

I put the ice spikes on my boots and chains on the ATV!! I am ready for them!

That is a heck of a nice looking dog you have. Do you take him with you when you are sitting on a bait?
Posted by: justin10mm

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 04:50 PM

Got another winter prime rolleyes coyote off my bait today.

There were two at it this morning but I missed my shot. Around lunch time one came back and my shot was true, true if you discount the 8 inches of wind drift my 55gr. bullet had at 300 yards. bored Lets just say I wasn't aiming at her head. lol



My fourth kill of this bait so far. A view from the front of my house, range about 280 yards.



Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 07:00 PM

Good shooting justin! Congrats thumbup1 Is that another victum of mange?
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 07:07 PM

weapon-Your Chessie is handsome, happens to be my state's breed of dog. What is "frog-dog's" name?
Sounds like ya'll are up and runn'in after the "big storm"-Go get 'em!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 07:49 PM

Thanks for all of the kind words. Man, I love deer and duck hunting but this is great. But I must say I find myself lying in bed just waiting for the beeper to go off. It sounds odd but I am having a blast and others tell me Feb-Apr is the best time of year so hopfuly I will be into some more soon. There were more tracks within a mile of my home this morning so with all of this new snow I may have more luck in the next night or two. The coyote that made the tracks today was having a hard time getting around in all of the snow and now we have 12" more sence then.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: justin10mm
Got another winter prime rolleyes coyote off my bait today.

There were two at it this morning but I missed my shot. Around lunch time one came back and my shot was true, true if you discount the 8 inches of wind drift my 55gr. bullet had at 300 yards. bored Lets just say I wasn't aiming at her head. lol



My fourth kill of this bait so far. A view from the front of my house, range about 280 yards.




Great job thumbup
Man, I was in Iredel TX deer hunting in December what a ausome area. I am trying hard to get back down between now and March to do some coyote calling. I would love to have my set up down where I was hunting you guys are loaded up with coyotes.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 08:17 PM

Justin, good shot. 300 yards is a pretty good poke.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 09:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Weaponx,
So you're the one that got the other 7" of snow that I was supposed to get yesterday! We ended up with about 2" of ice and sleet on the fields here. The fields are white and it looks like snow but it is frozen solid. I had my bait covered with a plastic tarp because I knew if it came as much ice and snow as they were predicting there would be no way a coyote could get to the bait through the ice. I went out this morning and chopped the tarps loose and put out more fresh bait at my spot closer to the house.

I put the ice spikes on my boots and chains on the ATV!! I am ready for them!

That is a heck of a nice looking dog you have. Do you take him with you when you are sitting on a bait?


Naa, JID...That dog will go after the 'yotes as soon as he see's 'em. Can't get no shot with him chaseing'em away. Only one time did a 'yote come at him...then it saw me and decided to run away.
Chains are the best in snow. Wish I had a set. The ice underneath the snow 'causes problems. But the "ZILLA'S", work good.....I won't be able to hunt until friday. But it's gonna be on this weekend.....
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/02/11 09:31 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
weapon-Your Chessie is handsome, happens to be my state's breed of dog. What is "frog-dog's" name?
Sounds like ya'll are up and runn'in after the "big storm"-Go get 'em!


Hey GG,
The dog's name is Bullit. He's a ,"Life taker and a Heart Breaker"...
That Bullfrog should have been hibernateing.. Funny he was out on the ice. We eat alot of them here. Just not that one.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 10:56 AM


Nice job, Justin. I like the idea of taking them at longer ranges to minimize human error with having them too close.

What rifle is that?
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 11:51 AM

I see that Sportsmans Guide has the Chamberlain wireless motion alert on sale for $69.97
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 01:17 PM


Scalloper, thanks for the notice. For now, the one I have seems to be working, but I will put it through it's paces again before hunting with it.

I like Sportsman's Guide. They stand behind their products and have great service.

By the way, my coyote seems to be wavering a bit. He hasn't been to the bait for four nights now. Maybe he is love struck.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 02:05 PM

Thats very possible as they do go outside their home range about this time of year,but then again you should be seeing different coyotes that may wonder in.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 06:49 PM


I know we don't have an abundance of coyotes here, but I'm very surprised that only that one has hit the bait.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 10:42 PM

David I hope that someone hasn't beat you to the shot. Have you seen any Bobcats on your pile yet? smile
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 02/03/11 10:45 PM

Oh another thing the senser is good for is Groundhogs! Set it near the hole and take a nap.......:)
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 07:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Wallbass45
Oh another thing the senser is good for is Groundhogs! Set it near the hole and take a nap.......:)

There you go with your naps again laugh! Ewwww, I like that idea for g-hogs provided the burrow is close by, I guess . . . Add a few canalope rhines for bait and have some fun! Game cams work well too. Thanks.
Posted by: doggin coyotes

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 09:48 AM

Anybody ever find out what happened to cougar Jim?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 11:19 AM

Good News!

I just heard from Jim. He is OK, and has just been busy with other things. He said it has been so warm that his bait cicles were melting too fast so he hasn't been putting them out.
Posted by: Cougar Jim

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 12:39 PM

Hi guys and gales.
Yeah I have been very busy. To da*n many hobbys. I have a website that keeps me busy a lot of the time.



Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 03:17 PM

Ya had us a little worried there Cougar Jim. . . glad your OK and glad to hear from you. Jump back in here when you get the time and your baitsicles freeze again! smile
Posted by: lon0121

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Cougar Jim
Hi guys and gales.
Yeah I have been very busy. To da*n many hobbys. I have a website that keeps me busy a lot of the time.






good to hear your ok! we were gonna start calling you "cougar Jimmy hoffa"

nothing been at your bait?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 09:00 PM

I know some of you guys got some heavy snow earlier this week. I got about 1 1/2 - 2" of ice here. The coyotes will be hungry, but it makes for some tough walking. I strapped on my ice cleats and went down in the bottom to the south pasture this morning. There were quite a few tracks but I didn't see any coyotes. I called one up down there about a week ago but he came up a ditch and popped out right on top of me before I saw him. That would have been a good time to have the shotgun, but do to the long walk in there I decided to not take it that morning.

I went back this afternoon and got in my hunting shack at the north edge of the pasture. It has sliding windows at the shooting ports but they had so much ice in the tracks that they were hard and noisy to move so I opened them and taped a couple pieces of clear plastic over them to help keep out the wind.

I knew I would make a little noise lifting the plastic out of the way but not nearly as much as if I had to slide the window. I also was expecting the coyotes to come in from the other side of the pasture which would give me plenty of time to pull the tape loose or lift the plastic.

As most of you know, when it comes to coyote hunting things often do not go as planned. At 4:30 I looked out my west shooting window just about the same time a large male coyote walked out of the timber into the pasture. He was about 40 yards away. There was not way I could lift the plastic without him hearing me so I sat quietly and let him continue on out into the pasture. He made it out to about 60 or 70 yards and stopped to sniff at something.

I raised the plastic up and got my rifle out the window without spooking him but then he walked on farther and stopped a couple more times but wouldn't stop long enough for me to get a good shot at him. He ended up going at such an angle that I could no longer shoot out that window and had to switch.

I was just about to get a bead on him out the other window when something spooked him a little and he turned and started to trot the other direction. I have learned that it is best to not bark at them when they are that close to try and get them to stop, so I went ahead and shot him before he hit second gear. It hit him just a little far back but dropped him and I quickly finished him with a second shot. The 50 grain V-max out of my 22-250 makes a mess out of them when they are that close so I converted the picture to black and white to make it more presentable. Sorry for the picture quality. It is just a cell phone photo.



I had about an hour of shooting light left so I hiked on back up the hill and went about 3/4 of a mile to one of my bait sites. I sat there until dark and nothing showed up but I heard one barking off to the east and another howling down in the bottom. I want to try and be back at the pasture before daylight in the morning. I have pretty good luck just hunting along their travel routes in that bottom ground.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 02/04/11 11:40 PM

Welcome back Jim! smile
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/05/11 05:48 AM

Jeff, no bobcats yet.

Jackindistress, you are really getting into them this year. Nice job.

Jim, glad you are back and all is ok. You had us worried there for a bit.
Posted by: justshoot

Re: Baiting - 02/06/11 11:06 AM

Jackindistress - way to go. It is so slippery around here just to scrap ice from the truck windows I almost slipped under the darn trunk. What is the weight or estimate?

Jim!! Good to hear from you!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/06/11 03:04 PM

justshoot,
It has been just about too slick to get out here also. I had studs screwed into the soles of my boots and a pair of strap on ice spikes on top of those. The cows had the ice broken up good where they had been going up and down the hill to the pasture or I might have still had to crawl back up that big hill. LOL

I was going to take the ATV and haul him out and weigh him the next morning but we got another 5" of snow overnight and I didn't get it done. Probably around 40 pounds though.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 10:08 AM

What a nice morning. I left the house at 5:15am to deliver some seafood and saw a very nice large coyote standing right next to the road on my way home,no gun... Then I was making breakfast at 6:45 and my beeper went off I was right by my shooting window and looked out to see this guy. Great day. First one of the year. I have been seeing many cat tracks around and I expected to see one before now. This will make a nice hat for my wife.
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 11:15 AM

Jim good to hear from you, glad your good.To all others who've stayed devoted to this thread thanks guys, I too bait to supplement my calling and really enjoy reading about everyones experience and have learned alot. Anyway thanks to all.
Posted by: kel

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 02:59 PM

Trying to get started on the baiting but have not had any luck so far.

I had a few coyotes and a bobcat showing up on my trailcam for a couple of weeks and decided to try to bait them. My first attempt has been an absolute failure up to this point. I purchased 4 chicken quarters and hung them in the branches between 3 1/2 and 5 feet above the ground to keep the buzzards from getting at them. 2 weeks and now I haven't seen the coyotes or bobcat since then either. About 5 days ago I cut 2 of the chicken quarters down out of the trees and let them lay on the ground and they are still laying there. Guess the buzzards don't want to waste their time or they haven't seen them yet.

Time to try something new. We don't get below freezing much during the Winter at night, and for this year I doubt we will see freezing temps again so baitcicles are probably not going to cut it.

Need some new ideas, I've seen the buzzards completely strip clean a 10 point buck I found floating in the pond in 2 days so I have to avoid feeding them too.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 03:27 PM

Trailcam Video of a Red...He has vittles right in front of him. Yet choses to mouse around...

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 03:37 PM

Gary- Congrats, on yet another fine yote. I like the black/white photo, nice contrast.
Scalloper- Way to go on the bobcat! I can see a "Hat in the Cat" makings on that one. smile
Kel- Feed them what they normally eat. If you have buzzards like many of us do, you'll just have to restock more often. If you're in need of bait, travel some of your local back roads, there should be plenty.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 04:18 PM

This is one that I shot sunday morning at 5:00 am from the kitchen window. I've had a deer carcass 80 yds. out since the week of Christmas. I took a fox and two yotes so far.This male weighed 48lbs on the scale.To bad he was just starting with the mange(tail and butt). The picture is'nt the best, it was taken from my neighbors cell phone. sorry.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 06:33 PM

Scalloper, Nice looking cat!

Connie, Yeah, I converted the picture to black & white because that one had quite a bit of blood on him.

Kel, I think one reason baiting works better for some of us is because of the extreme cold weather that we have. It makes it harder for the coyotes to find something to eat and eventually they get hungry enough to seek out other food sources. If you can find road killed deer that seems to be their favorite in most locations. Taxidermy shops, butchers, locker plants, etc. often have bones and scraps they will let you have if you ask. I supplement by bait locations with cheap dog biscuits and dry cat food. Scatter it around with small amounts in each spot. I walk a 30 yard circle around my bait and drop small amounts randomly.

JKRuger, Nice big coyote!
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 07:23 PM

48lb coyote, nice.
Posted by: junglekat

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 08:40 PM

You are tearing them up.Scalloper love the cat.There coming after dark on the dead cow,lot of great pics.Can't hunt after dark in KY.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: kel
Trying to get started on the baiting but have not had any luck so far.

I had a few coyotes and a bobcat showing up on my trailcam for a couple of weeks and decided to try to bait them. My first attempt has been an absolute failure up to this point. I purchased 4 chicken quarters and hung them in the branches between 3 1/2 and 5 feet above the ground to keep the buzzards from getting at them. 2 weeks and now I haven't seen the coyotes or bobcat since then either. About 5 days ago I cut 2 of the chicken quarters down out of the trees and let them lay on the ground and they are still laying there. Guess the buzzards don't want to waste their time or they haven't seen them yet.

Time to try something new. We don't get below freezing much during the Winter at night, and for this year I doubt we will see freezing temps again so baitcicles are probably not going to cut it.

Need some new ideas, I've seen the buzzards completely strip clean a 10 point buck I found floating in the pond in 2 days so I have to avoid feeding them too.

Try a natural bait like deer parts or any other animal thats native and cover it up with brush to keep the birds from seeing it but try and limit human sent as much as possible. I dont go anywhere near my bait after I put it out.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: jkruger
This is one that I shot sunday morning at 5:00 am from the kitchen window. I've had a deer carcass 80 yds. out since the week of Christmas. I took a fox and two yotes so far.This male weighed 48lbs on the scale.To bad he was just starting with the mange(tail and butt). The picture is'nt the best, it was taken from my neighbors cell phone. sorry.

Thats a nice male coyote (my guess by the wide head) great job... thumbup
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/07/11 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By: junglekat
You are tearing them up.Scalloper love the cat.There coming after dark on the dead cow,lot of great pics.Can't hunt after dark in KY.

Thanks,its a small cat and I almost passed but I wanted one for my wife. Thats to bad you are not allowed to hunt predators at night.
Posted by: Rodbender

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 12:07 AM

I've got a question if you save road kill, ground hogs, coon, possum, squirrel or what ever and freeze it until you get enough for a baitsickle do you skin it or leave the hide on? When you make the baitsickle do you skin it?
Posted by: SkDave

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 03:08 AM

already been said but, check out your local butcher or meat shop. Filled the box of a half ton for a little over $20 Cdn.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 06:57 AM

scalloper, he did have a huge head and neck. also a very wolfy long mane.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Rodbender
I've got a question if you save road kill, ground hogs, coon, possum, squirrel or what ever and freeze it until you get enough for a baitsickle do you skin it or leave the hide on? When you make the baitsickle do you skin it?

I would not skin it they eat the skin too. And while skinning it that will put more human sent on the bait. Around here human sent is killer,but that may not be the case everywhere.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: jkruger
scalloper, he did have a huge head and neck. also a very wolfy long mane.

Ya,thats a ausome coyote for sure. I am hoping to get one that big,we have them around here that are big I just have not conected yet. I am skinning all of the coyotes and cats I get and sending them to Moyles to get tanned at $22 ea how can you beat it?
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 01:37 PM

Man you guys are killing me,I have not had a track or a picture of a yote in almost a month.
Got the new camera out and all I get pictures of are crows and bald eagles.
The coyotes in this area seem to run a circuit that takes them about 3-4 weeks to return,hope they show up soon I am getting bored.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 04:00 PM

I also use Moyle for tanning my coyotes. They do a fantastic job , and i've always been happy with there work.
Yeh this one would have been a beauty on a board , i would have gotten mange too!!!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 04:24 PM


Scalloper, nice going on the cat.

Jkruger, that's a heck of a coyote you got. 48 pounds, wow!

Trail camera update: I sent the X6C back to the company for repair or replacement, but ordered a new one - same one. The new one seems to be doing fine with no pink or green photos.

The coyote has only been to the bait once since I moved the bait site, but a skunk and gray fox have visited.

I too have noticed that fox tend to not go for the bait. They investigate but don't seem to want it.


Here is my setup. The old site was 137 yards from the blind, a bit too far, so I moved it to
about 65 yards and then to 50. The trail camera is on the post at the new site.






First coyote with new camera and new bait site




Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 04:26 PM








Here you go guys this is what is eating my bait.
These pics were taken with my new reconyx trail cam.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 08:16 PM

Griz- Eagles and ravens? Man,good luck keeping bait at that site.
David- I like your new, closer set up. Do you think that is the same yote back?

I've been on possum patrol. Killed 3 the last 3 nights out. I'm still after a big 'ol boar that hits the pile every night. He is a slick one. Gusting winds 25-30mph, I get the night off tonight.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 08:44 PM


Gobblergetter,

Yea, I think it's the same one. I didn't get any photos of the coyote the last two nights, but he is still around. He is just coming less often now than before where he was coming every night at about the same time.

Yesterday I received the night vision scope, but haven't had a chance to work with it yet. I'm hoping it will work at the new site. I measured the distance this evening to the blind from the post, and it's 53 yards, so if the scope will work at all, it should work at that distance.

Seems I spend more time planning than I do hunting, but the truth is, I'm having a good time with it. I've enjoyed playing around with that coyote and keeping him coming to the bait, getting trail camera photos etc. Once I shoot him, the fun may end for a while. LOL.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 10:06 PM

David, I know what you mean about the planning part. I am like you, spending much time on preparations and planning. My obsession is stands. This stand I put up in 2008, took it down this past fall (2010) and will relocate it either this spring or early fall to a new location.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/08/11 10:21 PM

David,
I think we have learned enough exchanging our experiences with baiting this winter that we will all have a little better luck next year.

There probably is at least one person on here that is going to be thinking more towards the line of turkey hunting before long. I mean, I am just guessing, but if you look up a couple posts you could find her user name and figure out who it is.

I had a coyote set off the alarm on my bait near my house about 1:30 this morning but when I lit him up with the XLR 250 red light he took off before I could get a shot at him. That is the first one that I have had spook from the red LED.
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 02/09/11 06:57 AM

Kel did you buy the chicken from the grocery store?
Posted by: kel

Re: Baiting - 02/09/11 08:08 AM

I got it from the butcher shop but it was wrapped up. Probably the same as from the store. The coyotes were all around howling last night. I took the tractor and mowed some of the pine rows down and we had put up a deer feeder about the same time that everything disappeared. I'm thinking that a combination of changes or maybe just one of the changes spooked them off. I'm inclined to get the deer feeder out of there. I always have a doe with a broken front leg eating corn. With all of the coyotes I'm surprised they haven't taken her down by now. She's been around for 3 weeks.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/09/11 06:08 PM

Finally got some action on my camera. I had that carcass out in the edge of a field for a week and no takers but buzzards. I moved it into the woods and BAM!

The date is wrong on my camera. If it says the 4th it's the 6th and when it says the 6th it's the 8th.

I just put another road kill deer down there about a half hour ago. That's when I pulled my card out and swapped it with a fresh one.

These are my first ever coyote game cam pics and I'm excited!







Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 02/09/11 09:24 PM

sorry fellers I'm just tryin to figure out how to post photos, I started a photobucket acc but I still can't get my ing code to cpy and paste, any help.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/09/11 10:40 PM

racer- those are some nice camera shots for sure. Hey, that yote looks dark or had it rained there?
Gary-whoever could you be refering too? April 18th and counting! tongue I had a red fox bolt when I hit him with the XLR-250 tonight, also had a hard time seeing through the falling snow with the light.
Posted by: pmack

Re: Baiting - 02/09/11 11:16 PM

Great colors on that Coyote.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: harryheadshot
sorry fellers I'm just tryin to figure out how to post photos, I started a photobucket acc but I still can't get my ing code to cpy and paste, any help.


Just click the IMG line below the picture. Your browser should automatically copy it for you. Then just click your cursor into a post here and CTRL and V at the same time.

It should then show the link, then just hit post.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 01:38 AM

Nice coyote pics he is on the darker colored side.
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 02:37 AM

I've got 'em coming to my bait pile, down to just one tis late in the winter, but I've killed quit a few on this farmer's property and a couple were monsters, I'll post pics tomorrow. thanks hsracer you finally made easy enough for my computer illitirate (bleep) to get it.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 02:26 PM

Jackindistress,

I think you are right about next year being better. I hope to build a small shed of some sort that will work better than the blind. Maybe I'll have a few more coyotes next year too.

I've been somewhat afraid that lighting up the coyote would spook him also. He seems skiddish enough as it is, plus he is not coming to the bait as much now as previously. Maybe the change of bait site has caused him to be skiddish again.

Gobblergetter, nice looking stand. You did a good job on that one. I'll bet moving it was harder than building it, though.

Yea, there's something to be said for the fun of preparation. It's not just the hunt or scoring on a yote that is exciting. Everything leading up to it has it's rewards.

Nice trail camera photos guys. Hope you get 'em.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 06:47 PM

David- Actually that stand came down piece by piece, numbered all the pieces so when I rebuild it, it SHOULD be easier (HA! HA!) rolleyes
With all the new info. I've gotten from this post and from so many creative "baiters", I'm hoping to branch out with some of those ideas next year too! Looking forward to it . . .
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 10:13 PM

I don't plan on quitting baiting all the way through spring gobbler season. The coyotes have been around in years past and I've still killed birds less than 100 yards from where my game cam pics are, so I'm just gonna roll with it.

There's two less foxes and one less bobcat here this year so that might help the turkeys relax just a tad bit.

Also, there's lots of turkey sign all over. I saw 39 the last week of muzzle loading season.

I'll just mulit-task. Turkey hunt till noon, coyote hunt at night smile
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/10/11 10:47 PM

hsracer201
From what the old timers tell me the best is yet to come. They say while hunting over bait its best from Feb-Apr.
After the last coyote I shot at my bait, there have not been many tracks within 1.5 miles from what I have seen until two days ago. Last night they were within 300yds from my bait. Maybe tonight...is the night...
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/11/11 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
hsracer201
From what the old timers tell me the best is yet to come. They say while hunting over bait its best from Feb-Apr.
After the last coyote I shot at my bait, there have not been many tracks within 1.5 miles from what I have seen until two days ago. Last night they were within 300yds from my bait. Maybe tonight...is the night...


Did you do any good last night?


ETA: I should have been sitting out there last night but I was giving it a day or two or more with no pressure first. Wrong move.



Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 02/11/11 08:57 PM

I counted 16 turkey in the field right beside where my bait station is, I was there this evening replinishing my bait and watched them through my bino's for about 20min. until they worked their way over the hill and out of sight.So they must not worry about the yotes much.hsracer that's a nice red, he'd look good mounted and in your living room, you've got some cool pics man.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/12/11 11:14 AM


Today I finally got a chance to play around with the new night vision scope. It's an ATN Spartan 410, Gen 1, 4.5X.

I've read good and bad about Gen 1 scopes, and good and bad about ATN. I had to find out for myself to satisfy curiosity. The good thing is, if I don't like the scope, I get a full refund from Sportsman's Guide. That's a hard policy to beat so I figured it was worth a try.

The verdict is still out on the scope, but preliminary results indicate it will be effective at shorter ranges.

The last two nights I have viewed objects, including my dog, at distances up to 100 yards. Once sighted in and with a good shooting rest, I think taking coyotes to 100 yards is possible, and definitely at 50.

We have a snow on the ground and a half moon right now. That really helped with illumination and I really didn't need the IR illuminator that came with the scope. On bare ground and on a dark night, I'm not sure yet since I haven't tested it in those conditions. I have a feeling the IR illuminator will be lacking, but there are better ones available such as at TNVC.

The crosshair illuminates well and the fixed 4.5 power scope gives ample magnification. The crosshair seems to lean to the left a bit, but it could be the way I hold the rifle. My son and both tend to hold one differently and the crosshair always lean when we look through each other's scopes.

The scope is big and heavy, at over 3 pounds. However, after mounting it on my Dtech 6x45 and holding it for a while, it doesn't seem too bad. I wear eye glasses and had no problem with eye relief.

Today I sighted the rifle in at a measured distance of 58 yards, and groups are good enough right now to kill coyotes at that distance. My blind is 53 yards from the bait. Tonight I plan to shoot after dark and see if I can view the target better.

One thing to remember if you use night vision in daylight hours, is to keep the scope cover on, and use it very little, only for initial sighting. I will fine tune it tonight.

I know everyone says save your money and get a Gen 3. I have no doubt they are right that Gen 3 is far superior. I've never looked through a Gen 3 scope, but I imagine it is everything everyone talks about. However, I may have to save for a long time in order to afford a Gen 3, but the Spartan 410 is affordable. If it works for my intended purpose, then it's worth it. If not, then it goes back to SG.

After playing around a bit with the scope, I'll know much better about it's performance. I'll keep you posted.







UPDATE: Time has passed and I thought I would sum up the review of the Gen 1 scope. After two years of using it and experimenting with a variety of IR lights,
I put 6 coyotes on the ground at the 60 yard site. The Gen 1 does work but it needs a lot of light. For close range shooting it will work, but the IR illuminator
that comes with the scope is essentially useless. The new illuminators available now (2015) will help it a lot.



Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/12/11 12:43 PM

David, hope it works well for your intended purpose.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/12/11 01:48 PM


Danny, time will tell. It may be a joke, but I want to find out for myself. If it doesn't work well, then all I'll be out is some postage.

Correction, I think the magnification is rated at 5X.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/12/11 07:33 PM

David,
With the night vision scopes, does the image (target) just get too dim at longer ranges or does it get fuzzy? I don't know anything about them.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/12/11 09:07 PM

UPDATE:

The IR illuminator isn't quite up to snuff. Tonight I was planning to fine tune the zero a tad, but the illuminator doesn't quite put out enough light. I had a feeling it was lacking, and it is.

The moon was not visibile tonight, and the snow has partly melted but still there is a lot on the ground, with bare spots here and there that are dark.

I placed the target at a 58 measured yards, but could not see well enough to feel comfortable shooting initially. After playing around with the illuminator adjustment a bit, I think I could shoot a coyote, but the target is smaller so I didn't waste ammo.

The illuminator apparently was set on wide focus, so I dialed it out which did illuminate the target better. I guess the adjustment focused the beam more narrowly. Before doing that I could barely detect a target was even there, but once I adjusted the illuminator, it became visible, but is still lacking. That leads me to believe a better illuminator would make the scope usable. The illuminator has adjustments, so I may have to play around with that a bit to get it focused on the target distance.

I have the opinion that a more powerful illuminator would help.

Jackindistress, at a distance the target appears a little fuzzy, not a lot, but just not as clear as we are used to seeing in a rifle scope. The 100 yard target is also a little dim, but I believe it's due to the illuminator not putting out enough light. I adjusted the scope's focus as best as I could, and it's not too bad, but not as sharp as I would like. The snow is easily seen up to 100 yards, but dark spots on the ground are not very visible. Again, I think the illuminator is the main culprit. Last night was not overcast, so I think I could have made a better shot then. My dog was standing about 40 yards away last night, giving a good example. I could have easily made a shot. He is solid black, but I still had enough light to see enough to make a good shot at that distance.

I have been hoping the Gen 1 Spartan would perform enough for up to 100 yard shots, but right now I don't feel comfortable with it. I am thinking that a more powerful illuminator like the one TNVC sells (rated up to 500 yards) would allow the scope to do a better job. It remains to be seen if a better illuminator would solve the problem or not. Even if the scope is a bit blurry (not bad though), shots could be made if the scene was lighter.

I'm sure Gen 1 is not as clear as a Gen 3, but also I have a feeling that a Gen 1 (with enough light) will work for reasonable shots up to 100 yards. At 25 yards I could easily see the target for some good shooting. The scope and illuminator as it is now would do well on an air rifle or for close range shooting.

I'm very much in learning mode about night vision, and experimenting with this scope is enlightening. I hope to learn more about night vision. What I really want to know is, will a better illuminator help a Gen 1 to be usable for shooting over bait at reasonable distances. I'm thinking right now of purchasing the TNVC illuminator and give it a try, but it cost $200. If it works, then it would be a good investment. If it doesn't help the Spartan, then it could be used on a future scope. I plan to contact someone at TNVC and talk to them about this issue and see what they say.

Once again, I'll keep you posted. Maybe we can all learn a little about what a Gen 1 scope can and cannot do. A lot of guys are interested in night vision, but like me they don't know what to expect, and can't afford $4,000 for a good Gen 3. We all hear the stories of Gen 3, but also I see YouTube videos and good reviews on Gen 1 stuff. I just needed to satisfy myself with putting it to the test to see if it's usable.

Time will tell if it's going to work for my coyote baiting situation.






Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/13/11 08:52 AM

Did you get a chance to try it? Thanks
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/13/11 10:57 AM


Scalloper,

I didn't try the scope for hunting, only for testing in the back yard. I have a 100 yard shooting range out back, so that's where I used the scope.

As I mentioned before, I don't feel comfortable that the scope will work well without good light, such as from snow and moon. The illuminator is lacking.

However, on the nights the moon was bright and a clear sky, against the snow background, the scope worked well and 50 yard shots would be relatively easy, even without the illuminator.

I'm sure the resolution of a Gen 1 has limitations for distances that a Gen 3 could handle. Having said that, I have a feeling the Gen 1 would suffice for shots up to maybe 100 yards, given there is ample light.

Not sure if a more powerful illuminator would solve the problem or not. With dark nights and no snow, the scope / illuminator combination just will not cut it.

Last night when I adjusted the illuminator, it made a drastic difference at the 58 yard mark. Still, light was not what I had hoped for. With the illuminator set on wide, I could barely tell a target was even there, but when I adjusted it, the target became visible, but still needed more light to make good shots. That's why I question if a good quality illuminator might make the scope usuable.

As it is right now, the scope is not very usable except with moon and snow, and on shots around 50 - 75 yards, maybe even 100 yards under good circumstances.



Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 12:32 AM

Well folks I went to Meijers tonight to get some food and stuff and thought I would walk through and see what they had. WOW! all their huntin stuff was on Clearance. Didn't see anything that i realy had to have untill,There it was a NIB Ameristep Doghouse Blind in Real tree AP. They had 2 so I rolled it over and WOW! $31.00 Clearance. Guess we all know where it is now. Stock up for next year smile
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 08:45 AM

Oh Yeah!! Good Find!!!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 11:02 AM

I haven't hunted much the last week or so because with all of he ice and snow it was just so noisy walking that there was not way to get in to a stand quietly. My neighbor called Saturday morning and said they were going to butcher some hogs later in the day and if I wanted meat scraps and hides to come and get them.

A fatty hog hide is just like candy to a coyote so there was no way I was going to turn them down. So, late Saturday evening I put out 3 big mineral tubs full of fresh bait. It warmed up enough yesterday that most of the snow and ice melted so it made it a lot easier getting to my stand this morning.

I glassed the field and could tell that the bait had been moved. They had been into two of the piles and had scraps scattered. It was about 6:45 am and no coyotes were out there but I was confident that they were not far away. I settled in and figured I would wait until around 8:am at least. That fresh meat must have been a lot better than the frozen cow they had been eating on because I hadn't been there 15 minutes and this one came back in for seconds.



I don't know which direction he came in from. I set my rifle down in the corner of my blind to reposition my seat and when I looked back out the window he was standing there eating pig.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 05:23 PM

Great job. Man I have been chompin at the bit to get out calling and set up a bait in a new area but the work thing has me snarled up. It appears that you have a good supply of coyotes in your area(or did have) Way to stack-um
Posted by: junglekat

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 06:39 PM

At least somebody is puttin them down.Keep up the great work
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 06:54 PM

I have put out another bait stand, got a ribcage from a friend, and a baitsicle from home, nothing touching it yet but I have tracks just behind it, put out a camera yesterday will check it in a few days, I can see the pile in the hardwoods from the house with binoculars, so if I see the bait has been moved or critters on it I'm good to go.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 10:35 PM

Jackindistress, you are just having too much fun!! Nice going.

Something, hopefully a coyote, is taking the bait every night, but I'm not getting photos of it. The new camera is worse than the other one, so looks like it will go back to Wildgame Innovations too. Great photos when it decides to take some, but not doing the job it is supposed to do.

I have since put a cheap Moultrie on the post near the X6C, hoping to find out what is taking the bait, and when.

For now, it's down time. This camera deal has me frustrated to say the least.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 10:53 PM

I have had about the same luck with digital trail cameras. It seems like the colder it is, the less reliable they are, at least the cheaper ones. I am not going to spend a lot on one when it is too easy for someone to walk off with it. When it started getting down in the 20's, I was having bait taken but no pictures.

I went and sat on the freshened bait pile again this evening from about 5:30 until 9:pm. There was a pack of them howling across the field from me at about 8:pm but I never did see any come into the field. The moon was bright enough that I could see the bait pile without a light. It sure was slick walking back to the house though. It got up in the 40's here today and most of the snow and ice was gone so I took my ice spikes off. It ended up that there was quite a bit of snow left along the field edge and it was frozen back over when I came in tonight. It is more ice than snow and is about 5" thick so about every other step it breaks and you drop about 5 or 6 inches to the ground.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/14/11 11:00 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06
Jackindistress, you are just having too much fun!! Nice going.


David, being able to get on here and read about how all of you are doing has made it that much more enjoyable. I have hunted them by baiting as well as calling for many years. I just usually don't have a steady supply of bait like I have had this year.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/15/11 07:24 AM

Local predator hunt this weekend, haven't been hunting the bait on the pole line for a couple of weeks, friend is in the predator challenge so he is bringing the road kills and keeping the pile going, told him I would wait to hunt it until after the challenge is over. He has a camera out, haven't seen him to find out what is visiting the pile.
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 02/15/11 04:14 PM

talk about a bait site, this was taking out of the window 2 days ago, they come up almost every day to eat the bird seed on the back porch.. still a little shy when you come to the window.. went out yesterday afternoon and walked out behind the pond and there was 23 of them in the pine trees walking around!!

gobblergetter thought you might like this pic!!!!
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 02/15/11 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
I haven't hunted much the last week or so because with all of he ice and snow it was just so noisy walking that there was not way to get in to a stand quietly. My neighbor called Saturday morning and said they were going to butcher some hogs later in the day and if I wanted meat scraps and hides to come and get them.

A fatty hog hide is just like candy to a coyote so there was no way I was going to turn them down. So, late Saturday evening I put out 3 big mineral tubs full of fresh bait. It warmed up enough yesterday that most of the snow and ice melted so it made it a lot easier getting to my stand this morning.

I glassed the field and could tell that the bait had been moved. They had been into two of the piles and had scraps scattered. It was about 6:45 am and no coyotes were out there but I was confident that they were not far away. I settled in and figured I would wait until around 8:am at least. That fresh meat must have been a lot better than the frozen cow they had been eating on because I hadn't been there 15 minutes and this one came back in for seconds.



I don't know which direction he came in from. I set my rifle down in the corner of my blind to reposition my seat and when I looked back out the window he was standing there eating pig.


congrats
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 02/15/11 06:09 PM

Fine work JID! You have been taking the 'yotes apart, piece by piece.That's the way to do it. Makes for a memorable season.
Haven't had any activity here. They are too cautious in my area. But tonight is the last nightime hunting that a person can do here. So it's soon daytime only.
The only thing I've harvested here is more guns. That's kinda fun!....
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/15/11 10:05 PM

David- Sounds like you're having a good time with the Nightvision scope. I had to laugh-where you're needing more illumination and I've got too much with the 250 kill light. Last Fri. night I lite up 2 reds and a grey (at different times) and all of them bolted off.
Seriously thinking 'bout going back to my Lightforce light which has a tighter beam with no halo and I can lessen the light intensity too.
Gary- Way to go on taking out another yote. Good job! Can't be too many more left around you is there?
upinthemud- You made my day! Thanks for sharing the turk picture. I have yet to see any sign of turks around here.
Friday night I picked up a fresh roadkill doe and added her to one of the piles. I've cut back to just 2 bait stations now, especially with turk season coming up-I try to keep the activity level low. Game cams are still up and running for a little while then they get moved for turkey shots.
Lots of fights over the bait lately so I included one of the videos of a possum attacking a dead possum I had shot and left lay. Crazy "wood rat"!
(Video)
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/16/11 02:33 PM

Y'all are probably getting tired of looking at dead coyote pictures. Here are just a couple more before I slack off on hunting them for the season. I got the one on the left this morning and the one on the right is the one that I got Monday morning (day before yesterday). They are hitting the hog scraps really hard. It was almost 7:30 again this morning when this one came out of the woods from across the field.



The temperature is in the mid 60's here today and I saw turkey buzzards circling when I went to town earlier today. With the warmer weather the buzzards will begin hitting my bait so my baiting season is probably pretty much over.

When the temps. stay in the 40's and above during the night my interests turn to backpacking and fishing and coyote hunting gets put on the back burner anyway. I have some places that I want to get into and do some calling before I quit for the season but it is really sloppy out right now with all of the snow melt.

Almost forgot, when I went back up to my bait area this morning to take pictures there was an eagle there feeding. I would have liked to gotten a picture of it, but it flew off quite a ways before it landed in a tree.

Gobblergetter, that is a cool video of the 'possum. I had never seen one get aggressive like that.


Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/16/11 03:57 PM

To you fellas using Motion Detectors.......I have the Chamberlain CMA 2000.....it gives off a green flash of light when tripped at the motion detector.....do you guys think this bothers the Coyotes??? I have had a bait pile for the last 2 monthes and managed to shoot a few off it....but they are strictly nocturnal now and I was sick of getting up every 10 mins to check the pile let alone......I knew they were coming in when I was sleeping....so I got this .......it works great pile is 150 yds away and ever eagle or crow that lands trips it......last night it finally went at night 2;30 am.......So I knew........looked out to see a coyote running away then he sat and barked for 10 mins or so.......just left it alone figured he would be back but nothing........just wondering if that flash could spook them????
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 02/16/11 04:01 PM

if you get low on bait sources get a plastic barrel cut a 10" hole 1.5 foot from the bottom hang it with a metel swivel in the middle of the line..fill it with a bag of dog food...they wont see the light so much and wont care as it takes them longer to get the food..the swivel keeps coons out...
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 02/16/11 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Y'all are probably getting tired of looking at dead coyote pictures. Here are just a couple more before I slack off on hunting them for the season. I got the one on the left this morning and the one on the right is the one that I got Monday morning (day before yesterday). They are hitting the hog scraps really hard. It was almost 7:30 again this morning when this one came out of the woods from across the field.



The temperature is in the mid 60's here today and I saw turkey buzzards circling when I went to town earlier today. With the warmer weather the buzzards will begin hitting my bait so my baiting season is probably pretty much over.

When the temps. stay in the 40's and above during the night my interests turn to backpacking and fishing and coyote hunting gets put on the back burner anyway. I have some places that I want to get into and do some calling before I quit for the season but it is really sloppy out right now with all of the snow melt.

Almost forgot, when I went back up to my bait area this morning to take pictures there was an eagle there feeding. I would have liked to gotten a picture of it, but it flew off quite a ways before it landed in a tree.

Gobblergetter, that is a cool video of the 'possum. I had never seen one get aggressive like that.




congrats agin stackin them up..
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 02/16/11 10:18 PM

All you fellers talking about the ice and snow makes me long for winter already, here in my part of GA it's been 60 degrees for the last three days and I just hate to see the season go.Like many of you in the south I too am starting to slack on my bait stations and have been trying to cut down on my hunting,it was easier to quit smoking.Oh by the way Happy I never get tired of seeing dead coyote pics, so keep 'em coming.
Posted by: Ruark

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 07:51 AM

I call AND use bait under a red light @ about 75 yards. One reason is that our place isn't very open - it's hilly with scattered cedar and in the middle of the night you can have a yote up close and not see it. Some bait (e.g. chicken livers) can draw it into your target zone.

My mission is to KILL coyotes, period. I'm not interested in what's the most fun, or pelts or anything else. I had to change from sheep to cattle because yotes were slaughtering the ewes. My neighbors have a constant problem with yotes, too. I use a .243 with 85 gr. Sierra Gamekings (HPBT). At 50-75, they'll blow that coyote apart like a grenade. Out here, the only good coyote is a dead coyote, period.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 08:45 AM

Rabbit killer, fox got one of the rabbits living by my garage. Pulled the camera this morning, nasty weather coming for the weekend, 50mph wind gusts forecast.
http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/dannyk2/?action=view&current=CDY_0001.jpg
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 11:54 AM

danny-take 'em out. As Ruark said "the only good coyote is a dead coyote" I have to agree and that goes for the rest of the predator critters out there. Never met one I liked.
Gary, you keep shooting 'em and posting pics. I see it as saving livestock and saving a few of the "wildlife underdogs" like rabbits, turkeys, quail, etc. Nice job!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 12:35 PM

I'm like you guys, I have enjoyed this thread immensely. It's the first one I go to when I open up the forums.

Happy, I never get tired of your photos, keep 'em coming. Pictures makes things interesting.

Gobblergetter, I have since ordered a lazer illuminator for the night vision scope. I think / hope it will extend my effective killing range.

No photos of the coyote for a while, so unsure what has happened to him. I am getting a gray fox visiting the site, however. I hope to get out Saturday night with the night vision scope for some fun. I'll keep you posted.

David
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 04:40 PM

I know you guys like pics , so this female came to my bait last friday at 3:00am. I went downstairs to pee at that time ,and like usual i always look out the kitchen window at the bait pile with the binos. There she wason the bait. So I cranked the window out slow and quiet, loaded the rifle,and put the barrel out. It was @ minus 5 at the time. After taking carefull aim I stroked the .223's trigger and expected to see a bang flop after recovering from the muzzle flash.I checked with the glasses and didnt see anything, so I went back to bed after taking care of business. Convincing myself I missed I thought going out at dawn would be appropriate measure.
Slipping on the snowshoes at sunup I marched my way to the scene to have a look. Sure enough there was a drop of blood ten yds. away from the impact site . She ran down a trail and pile up in the brush 40yds. from the bait. On the scale she was 42lbs. Very round and fat with nice dark fur . No mange this time around.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 04:53 PM

jkruger- 42 lb. female thumbup1 Nice going!!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 05:44 PM


That's great.

Pretty cold up your way, lots of snow too.
Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 06:18 PM

I think this is a different coyote from my other pics. It's hard to tell but it doesn't look as dark colored to me.

I've been out there a lot. When I go back and look at pics they were always there an hour after I'm gone which makes me think they know I'm there. I'm going to hang a climbing stand tonight and put more effort into scent control.















Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 07:33 PM

wow, those are neat pics!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 07:37 PM

jkruger, That is one NICE looking coyote.

hsracer201, I am about jealous of you guys with all the red foxes. We used to have a lot of reds and greys here in Illinois until the coyote population increased. We very seldom see a fox here anymore. Maybe one every couple of years.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 07:49 PM

Hsracer, nice photos. At least you are getting some photos. Mine has been very slow lately, but I did get some of a skunk and a gray fox a couple of nights ago.

UPDATE ON NIGHT VISION SCOPE:

Tonight at about 7:00 PM, I sighted in the rifle with the new night vision scope. Distance was 60 yards. The moon was coming up and yielded a little light, but it wasn't high enough in the sky to be very bright. The illuminator that came with the scope provided most of the light.

The lazer illuminator I ordered is on the way, so I should have it in a day or two. It should really brighten things up.

I shot a 5-shot group at 60 yards. Here is the result.

The white inner circle is just under 1.5" across. 4 shots went 1/2". I can live with that. I'm hoping to put it to the test Saturday night, weather permitting.







Here's the bait getters. Don't know what has happened to the coyote, haven't seen him for a while.








Posted by: hsracer201

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
jkruger, That is one NICE looking coyote.

hsracer201, I am about jealous of you guys with all the red foxes. We used to have a lot of reds and greys here in Illinois until the coyote population increased. We very seldom see a fox here anymore. Maybe one every couple of years.


Believe it or not, that's the only red fox I've seen here this year. I feel sure it's the same one coming in over and over. Those pics are taken about 200 yards behind my house and I hunt here all the time. I've killed a bobcat and two greys here this year and called in a ton of greys that I couldn't get good solid shots at, but I have never positively identified a red. That's why I want to get it so bad, I've never killed one. So trust me, there aren't a lot of them. I've called and called for that red with no luck.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 08:26 PM



Well, that little stinker! lol

David, I believe you are going to get that night vision stuff working.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/17/11 08:27 PM

Yea, I think I will. The Gen 1 may be all I need, time will tell.

I hope to put a red crosshair on that little stinker Saturday night, but I can't do it over bait. I'll have to catch him in the act of disturbing cow patties, which they do often.

Posted by: frozenbutt

Re: Baiting - 02/18/11 01:13 PM

If you guys know a beaver trapper get some beaver carcuses and try them. Seems they can't stay away from them.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 02/18/11 01:53 PM

6mm06 ,thats some good shooting. I hope you do well, neat predator rig ya got there. thumbup
Posted by: justshoot

Re: Baiting - 02/18/11 04:39 PM

I'm a dope! I walked into a bait site with the wind in my face and crows raising heck at the site. Just as I got to the ravine to look over at the pile about 75 yards away, the string on my barrel (wind indicator) was pointing toward the bait pile. Everything got very still. Found very fresh chewings and up to the second fresh signs. So,I bumped this urban coyote off the bail pile. Boy oh boy, some days! Coyotes can teach you how to be a good hunter.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/19/11 01:12 PM

Originally Posted By: BrownBear1998
To you fellas using Motion Detectors.......I have the Chamberlain CMA 2000.....it gives off a green flash of light when tripped at the motion detector.....do you guys think this bothers the Coyotes??? I have had a bait pile for the last 2 monthes and managed to shoot a few off it....but they are strictly nocturnal now and I was sick of getting up every 10 mins to check the pile let alone......I knew they were coming in when I was sleeping....so I got this .......it works great pile is 150 yds away and ever eagle or crow that lands trips it......last night it finally went at night 2;30 am.......So I knew........looked out to see a coyote running away then he sat and barked for 10 mins or so.......just left it alone figured he would be back but nothing........just wondering if that flash could spook them????

Take the sensor apart and put a small peice on black tape over the light.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/19/11 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By: jkruger
I know you guys like pics , so this female came to my bait last friday at 3:00am. I went downstairs to pee at that time ,and like usual i always look out the kitchen window at the bait pile with the binos. There she wason the bait. So I cranked the window out slow and quiet, loaded the rifle,and put the barrel out. It was @ minus 5 at the time. After taking carefull aim I stroked the .223's trigger and expected to see a bang flop after recovering from the muzzle flash.I checked with the glasses and didnt see anything, so I went back to bed after taking care of business. Convincing myself I missed I thought going out at dawn would be appropriate measure.
Slipping on the snowshoes at sunup I marched my way to the scene to have a look. Sure enough there was a drop of blood ten yds. away from the impact site . She ran down a trail and pile up in the brush 40yds. from the bait. On the scale she was 42lbs. Very round and fat with nice dark fur . No mange this time around.

Nice going thumbup1 I am guessing thats the local puppy mill blush
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/19/11 11:04 PM

Skunks have been turning over cow patties all over the farm for quite some time. I caught this little stinker in the act at about 8:45 PM this evening, except that it's a different skunk than in the last trail camera photo. This one has a lot more white on him than the previous one.

As to scope performance, the illuminator is lacking, but usable at 60 yards. Hopefully the new lazer illuminator I have ordered will do a better job and extend the range.

The 5X magnification is adequate, but would be nice to have a bit more. I found it a bit difficult to get the red crosshair on the skunk due to the subdued light and the small size of the striped critter. Again, I think a better illuminator would be the doctor's order.

Gen 1 optics, at least in this instance, are adequate enough for closer ranges for sure. I think 5X will make it a bit difficult at extended ranges, but it won't be as bad with a coyote as the skunk since the stinker was a small target.

The only other problem now is I have to get the smell off my boots.







Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 12:16 AM

Well done David
If you dont mind sain...What that scope set you back? I know the Illuminator you have on the way will fix your prpblem. Hopeing!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 06:27 AM

At 5pm last night the alarm went off and I looked out and saw two red fox. After a short wait I got a shot at this guy. This will also be sent to get tanned as I think fox and one of the nicest fur there is.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 10:38 AM


Jeff, I got the scope from Sportsman's Guide for $539 member price. It's $599 for non-members. http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/atn-mk-410-spartan-night-vision-scope.aspx?a=506953

The illuminator I have on order is expensive, $350, but if it allows greater distances for shooting, then it's worth it. It has good ratings and I know a guy in South Africa that swears by it. Here is the link:

http://www.nightvisionetc.com/58-luna-optics-elir-laser-infrared-illuminator.html

Scalloper, nice job on the red.

Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 11:03 AM

David, I swear, I turn my head for a minute and you get all commando on us, LOL. Nice looking setup. Something tells me that we're going to see a lot more critters taken with that rig. As for the smell, I hear a mixture of peroxide, baking soda, and liquid dish soap does a good job. Was that the 6x45 or the 223?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 12:08 PM

Ahhh, you guys are doing good!! I turned the computer on this morning just to see if David got that little stinker and by golly he did!

Scalloper, very nicely furred fox! What did you shoot him with?
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 01:39 PM

Corey, that's about as commando as I can get at the moment. While the scope and illuminator I have ordered isn't cheap, it's more affordable than Gen 3 stuff. I'm hoping it will suffice for my needs.

I used the 6x45 - great round.

Jackindistress, the only thing lacking for me at the moment is a decent driveway alert, one that will work with a coyote but that doesn't go off prematurely. I need something that can be silenced and have only a light to indicate a trip.

David
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 03:00 PM

8am this morning at the bait pile by my home, Saw him at the bait, grabbed the gun and slipped on my tennis shoes, and a jacket. I had to climb a snowbank that I have pushed up with the tractor. The bank is crunchy so everytime I took another step the fox looked up with the crunch, I finally got high enough to clear the bank and layed out looking over the bank. The fox was getting nervous and was starting to leave, made the mistake of looking back one more time. look at the nose on this guy, may have had a tough time later on. Stag 5.56, 60gr hornady sp hand load.
http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/dannyk2/?action=view&current=Fox001.jpg
http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/dannyk2/?action=view&current=Fox002.jpg
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 05:21 PM

All you bsit guys????? How is the action on your piles when it is snowing and blowing????????? IT has been nice here the last few days and have had tons of action.......Had 5 on the bait last night, but couldnt pick a target in time............Just wondering with the weather if I can expect much tonight???
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 07:19 PM

BrownBear1998,
I didn't have as much activity on my baits as I expected when it was really cold and snowy. The most activity was any evening after it had thawed just a little during the day.

The ice and snow melted off here a little over a week ago and the temperatures were in the 40's and 50's some during the week. I think I had the most activity that I have had all winter at my bait. I killed one Monday, Wednesday and another Friday morning. Also, last week they were all taken after daylight. They were at a bait about 1/4 mile from my house and I didn't have a sensor on it so I don't know how much it was getting hit during the night.

Here is the one from Friday Feb. 18, morning:



My neighbor butchered 4 big sows last weekend and he gave me the scraps from them. The coyotes had them all cleaned up except for pieces of the hides by yesterday morning.

He butchered 2 more big sows yesterday and I put out a big mineral tub full of scraps late yesterday but I have not been up to check on them yet.

I know that a lot of guys just take a road killed dear and put the whole thing out at once, but I cut the bones and meat up into small chunks so that even in sub freezing temps. they can come in and pick up bits of scrap to chew on. You can actually make a deer (or what ever meat you have) last longer by putting out small pieces and let them clean it up before you put out more. The coyotes will soon learn that they have to visit the bait site more often if they expect to find much food.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 07:26 PM

Danny, Nice one! Looks like he has a little "acupuncture" going on there. Does that 60 grain stay together and not cause much pelt damage?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 07:44 PM

David,
The driveway sensor that I used this year did ok as far as only going off when there was something at the bait. There were a few times when it went off when it was snowing or raining hard but I expected that. The main thing was that it didn't work quite as far as I hoped it would. I ended up having to put the bait about 80-85 yards instead of 100 to 125 like I had originally hoped to be able to. The closer range is good for at night but I would like to have one farther from the house for daytime. I would like to have one about 200 yards from the house next winter so that it is easier to catch the ones that come to the bait during the day.

My plan right now it to buy one of the MURS systems for next year. They are about $170.00 but will work much farther than my little $20.00 unit that I used this year.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 08:28 PM

Jackindistress,

I've been looking at the MURS with some interest too. Just wondering how they will work for small animals down to the size of skunk. Any idea? It would be a good investment for the long run if it works as intended. So many of the motion detectors are designed for people and automobiles, so I want to find one that will work well for coyotes.

Here's another alert that I found this evening. Heard any reports on this one?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=470404

Also, I have been using your method too of putting out just enough bait to keep them coming, small cuts scattered about. Meat lasts longer that way and also keeps activity going.

Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 08:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Danny, Nice one! Looks like he has a little "acupuncture" going on there. Does that 60 grain stay together and not cause much pelt damage?

Well this is my deer load also, I shot the fox quartering on and the results weren't pretty, I hit it a little high, as you can see in one picture, the bullet blew a hole the size of a softball just above the entrance on the other side, along with a half dollar size hole in the lower ribs, not sure if it was a bone fragment or what, definatly not a fur friendly round for fox.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/20/11 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Jackindistress,

I've been looking at the MURS with some interest too. Just wondering how they will work for small animals down to the size of skunk. Any idea? It would be a good investment for the long run if it works as intended. So many of the motion detectors are designed for people and automobiles, so I want to find one that will work for skunk-sized animals up.

Here's another alert that I found this evening. Heard any reports on this one?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=470404

Also, I have been using your method too of putting out just enough bait to keep them coming, small cuts scattered about. Meat lasts longer that way and also keeps activity going.



David,
I had not seen those. I found the company web site though - same as the product name. They have trail cameras and security devices. US corporate office is in Vermont. Interesting note - you can buy it direct from them for the same price that the Guide has them for. Also found on Amazon and several other places.
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/21/11 01:18 PM

Jackindistress,

Thanks for the response.........I picked up a truckload of butcher scraps for a crow hunting tournament coming up.....so I will try some of them out there.....what you say makes alot of sense.......FYI I seen you wondering about sensors....I bought the Chamberlain cma2000, I was really skeptical of it as it advertised a half mile range etc.....and you can get em for 60 bucks.......It has worked flawlessy for me. I have it at 126yds Been snowing for two days with no false alarms.....every time a eagle crow lands etc it trips......at night when it goes off everytime accurate.......coyotes, dogs, deer etc......I have been really pleased. I havent had it long enough to know battery life on the sensor I have had it out two and a half weeks on the same lithium batteries in cold temps is all I can tell you. My only worry on this is it flashes a green light on the motion detector when it trips, but another member of the foroum said take it apart and put tape over it, makes sense I might do this. I have killed 3 coyotes over this bait though, and had plenty others to look at in the middle of the night when it has gone off. Just my 2 cents on the unit, for the price I am way happy with it.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/21/11 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Ahhh, you guys are doing good!! I turned the computer on this morning just to see if David got that little stinker and by golly he did!

Scalloper, very nicely furred fox! What did you shoot him with?


.223 Superformance. I should have used my .22 mag as the .223 is a little much for the fox looking at the fur damage.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/21/11 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Corey, that's about as commando as I can get at the moment. While the scope and illuminator I have ordered isn't cheap, it's more affordable than Gen 3 stuff. I'm hoping it will suffice for my needs.

I used the 6x45 - great round.

Jackindistress, the only thing lacking for me at the moment is a decent driveway alert, one that will work with animals but that doesn't go off prematurely. I need something that can be silenced and have only a light to indicate a trip.

David

The Chamberlian can be silenced and has a light.
Posted by: conservative1911

Re: Baiting - 02/21/11 10:25 PM

Now baiting is something I'm looking into here in WY. I'd love a set up like you're using but I can't use light on public land here in WY and baiting laws are ambiguos concerning fur bearing mammals. I'd love a forum.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 02:05 AM

At 12:30 my wife woke me up and said "your beeper is going off like crazy". So I opened the shooting window and saw two coyotes running all around the bait. After 1-2 min this female gave me a nice broadside shot. She dropped in her tracks. Then I waited 10 min and a very large coyote came right in and started sniffing the first one,so when the coyote offered a good broadside shot I planted one nicely behind the shoulder but it managed to make its way to the woods. I will hunt for it in the daylight.

1st of two tonight
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 07:27 AM

Good looking dog. Good luck with the second one. Hopefully he'll be laid up in the woods.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 06:20 PM

I did find the second coyote this afternoon when I got home it run about 55 yds great night.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ARCOREY
Good looking dog. Good luck with the second one. Hopefully he'll be laid up in the woods.

Thanks she is a beautiful [beeep]. The male did not bleed a drop and the bullet passed right threw 55 gr V-Max
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 06:26 PM


Scalloper, really nice going there. A double is just hard to beat.

Is this the motion detector you are referring to?

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=604949

I appreciate any reports about it, like does it go off without an animal being present to trip it?

Thanks.

David
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Scalloper, really nice going there. A double is just hard to beat.

Is this the motion detector you are referring to?

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=604949

I appreciate any reports about it, like does it go off without an animal being present to trip it?

Thanks.

David

Yes thats the one I use. I have never had a problem with it going off without a animal being present.And you can use 6 or 8 sensors
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 10:26 PM


Thanks Scalloper. Unit was ordered a few minutes ago. Hopefully will put it to the test soon.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 10:33 PM

Scalloper,
Way to go! A double at night - that is cool!
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/22/11 11:41 PM

Just piled up another one off the bait!!! 4 of them set the alarm tonight..........God this is fun!!!!!! Got a great new winter hobby...........Not sure how to post pics on this site if someone will enlighten me I will post them........How much fun is it dragging your wife out of bed to take pictures of a dead coyote!!!! She is a trooper......
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 02:28 AM

Nice work on the double. Congrats.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 05:59 AM

Way to go, Scalloper! thumbup I really like that darker furred yote but they both are nice take-downs. Congratulations!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 07:50 AM

Thanks TET and GG
While looking for the second coyote I saw a ton of tracks from 50-200 yds of my bait seems like they have been working this area for awhile.
Theguy that got me started in hunting coyotes told me,if I shoot one to leave it as allot of time the second one will come out after a few min. He said in his experences most of the time during the mating seasion if the female is shot the male will not leave her and thats what seemed to have taken place here.
Somthing else I tried. Last week I put bird seed all around my baited area just to get the birds around to get some more activity in the area. The birds are on the bait pile all day long now. It could have helped. But I still almost never go around the bait unless needed to keep human sent down around the baited area.
Posted by: LittleTony

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 02:16 PM

I made a wire mesh bird feeder, about 20" ong and fill it with sunflower seeds. Only refill when I rebait. Helps to have little birdy and squirrel eyes letting me know if thy see anything during the day. Plus, like you said, more activity can't hurt.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 02:24 PM

Hey Guys
Got number three this morning he was at 260 yds about 100 yds past my bait and walking away.
Did not want to take the chance and wait because it looked like he was just going to walk away.
Checked my trail cam and they were in just about all night no wonder he was not hungry.
243wssm smack down.
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 04:06 PM

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i351/brownbear1998/th_yote1.jpg?t=1298494768
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i351/brownbear1998/th_coyote1.jpg?t=1298494768
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i351/brownbear1998/th_2-22coyote2.jpg?t=1298494768

Think I figured out how to post pics??? We will see! Here is a few males and a female from over the last two weeks....Starting to see lots of action the last few days especially.....
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 04:08 PM

Guess There a little small!!! something to work on tonight
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
Hey Guys
Got number three this morning he was at 260 yds about 100 yds past my bait and walking away.
Did not want to take the chance and wait because it looked like he was just going to walk away.
Checked my trail cam and they were in just about all night no wonder he was not hungry.
243wssm smack down.

Great job. Look how tech has improved our coyote hunting in the last 20 years with alarms,cameras E-callers.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: BrownBear1998
Guess There a little small!!! something to work on tonight

The pictures may be small but those look like very nice yotes. WTG
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 06:47 PM

BrownBear= Nice go'in there on those yotes! Keep it up.
Scalloper- Don't know about coyotes, but earlier this season I shot a grey fox and left it lay, shortly after another grey came out in the field to smell the dead one and "BAM"- dropped that one too. Curiosity killed the dog! HA HA!
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 06:58 PM

Ooops! Sorry, forgot to add the pix . . . (long day...)
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 07:20 PM

Gobblergetter
That is one beautiful picture, the wife thinks taht is very cool.
Great job
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 07:39 PM

The grey fox is my favorite by far. Beautiful pair gobblergetter.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 07:58 PM

Hey thanks, ya'll. Most seasons all that I see is greys, maybe a red here or there, but this year I saw quite a few more reds especially towards the end of the season. What I've come to conclude in relation to baiting and the 2 types of fox is that the reds seem to come in sort of sheepishly and if they get spooked they are gone faster than green grass through a goose. And they may make an appearance again an hour later or more. The greys however, seem to run on off if startled, but will dilly-dally just out along the fringes then slowly but cautiously work their way back into shooting range or light range. So, yeah, I think after this past season I have come to the conclusion that the little greys are my favorite fox to hunt too. Just thought I'd share some of my observations.
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/23/11 07:59 PM

GobblerGetter,
Cool Picture.........Nice looking greys.......

Scalloper nice job on the double......wish some of the pack would stick around to let me get in some shooting after the first one!!!!!!
Posted by: Kenawell1

Re: Baiting - 02/24/11 08:40 AM

Is everyone using these sensor's or are some of you sitting at the baait waiting. I dont really have the option of setting a sensor. So whats ur way of knowing something is at the bait while ur sitting waiting? I made some great baitcicles and have 2 deer ready to go also. I am unsure of the best and simplest way to hunt it at night. I also plan on hunting in the day. I have seen a ton of trailcam pix with predators at them during daylight.

Oh yeah. About how long does it take these baitcicles to completly freeze? I have bone,meat,blood 3/4 to the top of a 5 gallon bucket . then filled it with warm water. I set it out 2 nights ago to start freezin. I read the biggest mistake by beginners is stickin them out prematurely.
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 02/24/11 01:49 PM

The sensor I have is wireless and runs on batteries both the sensor and the receiving unit can run on batteries. you can turn the sound off so just a small green light blinks when it is tripped. So this really allows you to bring and setup with it anywhere.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/24/11 02:16 PM

I don't have sensors on my bait piles, I will hunt the bait around dusk, seems that after laying up most of the day they come in to feed, although I have sat on bait mid day and got action, lots depending on weather.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 02/24/11 05:01 PM

GG A beautiful pair of Grays, and a very good pic. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/25/11 04:59 PM

GG
Nice grays,I have never seen one as they are not in this part of Maine but I have hunted many places that have them.
Posted by: 6724

Re: Baiting - 02/27/11 04:28 PM

got a sensor set up 2 nights ago, last night it goes off. i get into position and can see it through the scope but i cant identify what it is. fox season is open for 2 more days but i really dont want to shoot the fox. last year i had a pair on the bait and i am really hoping that they take up residence and reproduce. as soon as i got light on it, it was gone, gone before i could identify it. there was just not enough moonlight last night.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/27/11 09:15 PM

6724, what distance is the bait from your shooting location?

I'm finding that Gen 1 night vision will help a lot at closer ranges.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/28/11 05:39 PM

I had to bring in my sensor and take it apart. A green light on the Chamberlain alarm sensor blinks green when somthing trips it. "The Guid" sold me three sensors that he modified but the one that came with it new was scaring the coyotes,not all of the coyotes were spooked but 3 that I know of ran when the light blinked. So today I fixed that by placing a peice of tape over the light bulb.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 03/01/11 05:46 PM


Scalloper,

Did you place a piece of electrician's tape over the bulb? I haven't received my Chamberlain yet, so will need to modify it as well. I assume it's easy to take apart.
Posted by: donlynch

Re: Baiting - 03/04/11 02:26 PM

hey Scalloper i have a similar setup and i love it when my wife says "hey your buzzer's going off" she can hear better than me anyway. just very cool!!!!!! your double sounds fantastic, my heart would have been pounding out of my chest
don
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 03/04/11 07:43 PM

Night hunting ended here for public land on the 28th of Feb. Now we are legal to hunt private land only for night time, and day time shooting hours fall back to small game hours, sunrise to sunset. Did have at least one visit the new baitsicle.

Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 03/05/11 06:57 PM

Scalloper those are some good looking dogs. good job Goblergetter those greys are also beautiful, nice work.
Posted by: BenVW

Re: Baiting - 03/06/11 01:31 AM

Cool Pics Danny!
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/06/11 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Scalloper,

Did you place a piece of electrician's tape over the bulb? I haven't received my Chamberlain yet, so will need to modify it as well. I assume it's easy to take apart.

Yes I did. When you take the sensor apart leave the batteries in then you will see the light and then cover it with a small peice of elect tape.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/06/11 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: donlynch
hey Scalloper i have a similar setup and i love it when my wife says "hey your buzzer's going off" she can hear better than me anyway. just very cool!!!!!! your double sounds fantastic, my heart would have been pounding out of my chest
don

Its great,I have had a blast. I have two sensors on my bait looking in different areas. Those beepers were going nuts. You can use upto 5 sensors on the Chamberlain
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/06/11 08:16 PM

On Thursday night at 8:45pm I was at my camp with friends on a ice fishing trip,my wife called and said there was a big coyote feeding at the bait pile she watched it for 45 min. She shoots very well,so I asked her to shoot it,but she would not. She thinks they are beautiful and look to much like dogs,so that one got a free meal.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/06/11 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: harryheadshot
Scalloper those are some good looking dogs. good job Goblergetter those greys are also beautiful, nice work.

Thanks I am getting two full lenth coyote hats made,one for a freind in NH,I am putting mine on the sissy bar of my bike,1800 VTX,that should look cool sailing in the breeze??? thumbup
Posted by: donlynch

Re: Baiting - 03/06/11 08:26 PM

the cool part is that, with that free meal, he'll be back and a little less wary. i have 5 sensors on the bait the cwa2000 and the rw300 and recievers in the living room and in next to the bed.i haven't seen one since the one i got in december so i'm starting to get withdrawl symptoms.you can't take time off to go ice fishing what were you thinking? good luck
don
Posted by: RonManci

Re: Baiting - 03/07/11 12:03 PM

I only bait. I wish I could call but I have good luck sitting on bait. I have a pretty unique set up. I mounted two 500 watt halogens to a tree, with bait about 50 yards away. I sit in my tree stand above the light and they can not see me. I post a few pics and a video. Works well for me.

[img]http://www.predatorcallercentral.com/community/292-ronmanci/photos/album.html?albumid=58[/img]

Night Hunting over bait
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/08/11 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: RonManci
I only bait. I wish I could call but I have good luck sitting on bait. I have a pretty unique set up. I mounted two 500 watt halogens to a tree, with bait about 50 yards away. I sit in my tree stand above the light and they can not see me. I post a few pics and a video. Works well for me.

[img]http://www.predatorcallercentral.com/community/292-ronmanci/photos/album.html?albumid=58[/img]

Night Hunting over bait


Nice set up. In this area calling is tough,most who hunt over bait around here have far better luck.
Posted by: Kenawell1

Re: Baiting - 03/09/11 12:31 PM

Ronmanci,
are the lights at the bottom of the tree your sitting in? Do you keep them on the entire time ur in the stand? I said b4 i dont have the option to use an alert system. I could use a light though. I often thought about hanging a dim led above the bait . Maybe 6-10 ft high above the bait. With it being dim it may not bother them and it last forever. I wonder if it would give me enough light to see something?
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 03/09/11 07:18 PM

Kenawell1, Why can't you use a sensor? A dim light will work sometimes but it almost always takes them at least a few weeks to get used to it before they will come all the way in to the bait.
Posted by: happyyoter

Re: Baiting - 03/09/11 09:47 PM

i was gonna buy the sensors on like the 4th or 5th page...but a buddy reminded me we are not allowed to use electronics to locate game here in PA. ive hung a red led...above a decoy at night and had predators come into it....

try making dirt hole sets without the trap around the edges of fields...make the dirt look dug up coyotes will come..

put some can tuna cat food in the hole sprayy the surrounding ground lightly with coyote urine....theyll come in after dark.....use a rubber floor mat while making your hole...to put your tools and knees on...

then hunt them over a full moon...
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: donlynch
the cool part is that, with that free meal, he'll be back and a little less wary. i have 5 sensors on the bait the cwa2000 and the rw300 and recievers in the living room and in next to the bed.i haven't seen one since the one i got in december so i'm starting to get withdrawl symptoms.you can't take time off to go ice fishing what were you thinking? good luck
don

I am surprised the coyote has not been back after the free meal 7 days ago.
Posted by: RonManci

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Kenawell1
Ronmanci,
are the lights at the bottom of the tree your sitting in? Do you keep them on the entire time ur in the stand? I said b4 i dont have the option to use an alert system. I could use a light though. I often thought about hanging a dim led above the bait . Maybe 6-10 ft high above the bait. With it being dim it may not bother them and it last forever. I wonder if it would give me enough light to see something?



The light are right under my stand, just below my feet. I keep them on every night during coyote season so they get used to them. Now they ignore them completely. They also blind them so they cant see me in the tree.
Posted by: RonManci

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 09:28 AM

I use a baby monitor cam. You would be amazed on the range. I have it mounted about 200 feet from my bedroom watching a little bait pile. I use an old 13 inch tv to keep an eye out at night. They have sound and pretty good night vision too.
Posted by: donlynch

baiting - 03/10/11 12:31 PM

Scalloper, boy ain't that the way of the coyote? the same thing has happened to me. there's so many things that happen in their world, it may have come upon an easy winter tired deer or some other available meal. in the last 3 days a friend of mine has found 2 deer that they have killed. conditions are bad for our deer right now. maybe tonight.
don
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 01:05 PM

Originally Posted By: happyyoter
i was gonna buy the sensors on like the 4th or 5th page...but a buddy reminded me we are not allowed to use electronics to locate game here in PA. ive hung a red led...above a decoy at night and had predators come into it....

try making dirt hole sets without the trap around the edges of fields...make the dirt look dug up coyotes will come..

put some can tuna cat food in the hole sprayy the surrounding ground lightly with coyote urine....theyll come in after dark.....use a rubber floor mat while making your hole...to put your tools and knees on...

then hunt them over a full moon...


I have used trip wires before I started using the motion sensors. When you feel something bump the string or wire, light 'em up. If you are using smaller pieces of bait that they can pick up and take with them, you can tie the trip wire right to the bait.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Originally Posted By: donlynch
the cool part is that, with that free meal, he'll be back and a little less wary. i have 5 sensors on the bait the cwa2000 and the rw300 and recievers in the living room and in next to the bed.i haven't seen one since the one i got in december so i'm starting to get withdrawl symptoms.you can't take time off to go ice fishing what were you thinking? good luck
don

I am surprised the coyote has not been back after the free meal 7 days ago.


This late in the winter, if you guys still have deep snow they may be hanging out where the deer are yarded up. Easy meals for them there.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 01:34 PM


Remember the coyote in the photos I posted earlier? He was coming to the bait every night about the same time, for almost two weeks every night. Then suddenly he quit coming. Haven't got a photo of him for quite some time now. Maybe he is chasing females.
Posted by: donlynch

Re: Baiting - 03/10/11 02:54 PM

jackindistress, yes we still have deep snow and they are in the deer yards bigtime here. who wants old frozzen beaver when you can have fresh venison grrrr.
don
Posted by: RonManci

Re: baiting - 03/10/11 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: donlynch
Scalloper, boy ain't that the way of the coyote? the same thing has happened to me. there's so many things that happen in their world, it may have come upon an easy winter tired deer or some other available meal. in the last 3 days a friend of mine has found 2 deer that they have killed. conditions are bad for our deer right now. maybe tonight.
don


I just started a thread on the same thing:

http://www.predatorcallercentral.com/for...-whitetail.html
Posted by: Jasony

Re: Baiting - 03/11/11 06:42 AM

So right you are!!! After several of my honey holes are called out, I do quite well on baits. I would like to here more from fellow baiters.
Posted by: Jasony

Re: Baiting - 03/11/11 06:58 AM

I noticed that the feeding times at my baits change with the moon,conditions, and hunting pressure. During a full moon I will sit down wind from the bait with my shotgun. On the moonlit snow, no lights are needed. During overcast or moonless nights the more dominate dogs will be on the bait at pre-dawn and after the sun sets, while the less dominates dogs may vist the bait all day long. The dominate dogs seem to allow the sub-dominate dogs to feed after they have had their fill. This is using full grown cows for bait (aquired from a feed lot).
Posted by: RonManci

Re: Baiting - 03/11/11 07:49 PM

I got my 5th of the season last night. All over bait, and all with the .22 at night.
Posted by: smilinIB

Re: Baiting - 03/13/11 03:15 PM

Heard from a front line reliable source that a couple of Pennsylvania guys are putting together a predator hunting video filmed over bait stations. The video will be marketed as a calling video. Stay tuned...
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 03/15/11 09:10 PM

Hey Jeff,

You asked once before if any bobcats had come to the bait site. Well, here is the first.



Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 03/15/11 09:33 PM

Which Wild Game Innovations is that? I bought the one for $45 at Wally world and it is discraceful. I found a deer carcass that I set my camera over. The carcass was pulled 10' closer to the camera by predators/scavengers and the only pictures I got were of the big dumb gorilla that bought the camera while he was getting rotten deer on his hands setting them up.

By the way, awesome picture. I love the cats, just can't seem to get one.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 03/17/11 12:20 AM


Corey,

The camera I have is the Wildgame Innovations X6C. It's a nice looking camera, small and compact, easy to use etc. However, I have had troubles with two of them.

I purchased camera #1 and it took great photos, but during the day time many of the photos were either pink or green. When it did take day time photos, they were very good, bright and clear. Night photos didn't seem to be affected with the pink / green stuff.

I sent the camera back for repair or replacement. While it was away at the company, I purchased camera #2. I received a new camera in place of #1 that I am using now and that took the bobcat photo and the ones below. So far it's doing pretty good, except that I still have some day time problems. Sometimes it goes crazy and takes one photo after another about a minute apart, with nothing in the picture. Other times it does really good. Again, there doesn't seem to be any problems with night photos. I will keep this one unless something else goes wrong.

Camera #2 has since been sent back and is at the company now. It was worse than #1. This camera would hardly take night photos at all, and only a few during the day. The bait would completely disappear with no photos to indicate what got it, so camera #2 went back.

For me at least, the main purpose of having a trail camera is to show what animals are around, the times and dates etc. The quality of photos comes in second in my mind, but it's nice to have good quality photos. The X6C, when it works properly, does a good job with photo quality. The good thing is, the camera is not so expensive. I think I paid around $116 at Amazon, which isn't too bad.

One thing the camera doesn't do that I wish it would, is to take both photos and video. It will take either, but not both like some cameras will. You have to program which one you want, so I choose photos. If video is selected, the camera does not indicate the date and time. Date and time is very important to me, so I go with the photo mode.

So far, the replacement for camera #1 is working quite well. Hopefully #2 will arrive soon or it's replacement and be equally as good.

Here are some more photos taken with the replacement for camera #1. Keep in mind these are the best ones. Sometimes night photos are blurred if the animal is moving much.


Wildgame Innovations X6C





















Posted by: RonManci

Re: Baiting - 03/17/11 08:47 AM

Here is a video of a Really Big Red Fox hitting my bait two nights ago. He eats from the same bait I just shot a coyote over last Thursday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObxakzEp99E
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/18/11 09:19 PM

I am in a slump...Nothing for awhile now but my buddie shot two this week on a set up like mine.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/20/11 11:08 AM

At 11:30 last night my wife woke me and said the beeper was going off. Well I got the AR set up in the rest opened the window and waited. After about 10 min a coyote appeared. I setteled the cross hairs on its shoulder and nothing...the ammo I had in the AR was some 60gr reloads that a local gunsmith is selling and gave me a box to try. Well it stuck so badly I had to take the gun apart to get the shell out,in the mean time I am hearing my beeper go off. The coyote dragged a deer hide off and took it to the woods to eat so it did not return as of yet. Oh well do do happens. I may get hung for saying this but I have been shooting reloads off and on for 20 years and this is not the first time they have let me down and I have got them from several different people that knew what they were doing but still every once in awhile this is the result mostly with semi auto guns.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 03/20/11 12:36 PM

Scalloper,

I have been reloading for about 35 years. I've had a few misfires during that time, but I've also had a few factory misfires too.

With ARs, so far at least, I'm loading brand new brass and haven't resized any of them yet. I've not had any problems at all by doing that. Just a thought of something you might want to try.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/20/11 03:20 PM

Myself thats the only brass I will reload for hunting as oppertunities here are few and far between. It seems that all of the issues I have seen with reloads are in resizing and mostly with auto loaders. New brass would solve this problem.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/20/11 07:54 PM

In Maine we can night hunt until June 1st so I still have alot of time left yet to wack a few more. I hear that the femals get very hungry in april so maybe we can get 7/1 or 8/1 scared
Posted by: donlynch

Re: Baiting - 03/20/11 08:01 PM

when buying reloads from someone else. each round should be cycled through the action of your semiauto rifle,to be sure they all chamber smoothly, mainly because he may have just neck sized the cases, and where they were fired in someone elses rifle, the chamber size may be different. i full length size all new brass, which may be redundant but almost all semiautos are very finicky as to chamber size. with a bolt you can usually cram anything in there and shoot it but not the autos. You're so right Scalloper our opportunities are precious and few. i don't know if thats the answer but every little bit helps,good luck man.
don
PS SCALLOPER, you can now night hunt in Maine till August 31st. the season was extended last year. they didn't publish this very well at all. cheers.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 03/21/11 01:00 PM

I wouldn't trust reloads (or new handloads) from a gun shop or anywhere else. I have been loading for about 43 years and I know how easy it is to screw up if you get distracted for even a second.

As far as using new brass, you should always chamfer the case mouth and run the case through the resizing die before loading it. New cases are often dented and dinged up when you take them out of the bag and the case neck needs to be trued up before loading.
Posted by: RonManci

Re: Baiting - 03/22/11 04:36 PM

Fresh bait.


http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb337/ronmanci/Coyote%20Season/IMG00623-20110321-1706.jpg

Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 03/22/11 06:28 PM

Good luck with that fresh bait.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/22/11 07:27 PM

Originally Posted By: donlynch
when buying reloads from someone else. each round should be cycled through the action of your semiauto rifle,to be sure they all chamber smoothly, mainly because he may have just neck sized the cases, and where they were fired in someone elses rifle, the chamber size may be different. i full length size all new brass, which may be redundant but almost all semiautos are very finicky as to chamber size. with a bolt you can usually cram anything in there and shoot it but not the autos. You're so right Scalloper our opportunities are precious and few. i don't know if thats the answer but every little bit helps,good luck man.
don
PS SCALLOPER, you can now night hunt in Maine till August 31st. the season was extended last year. they didn't publish this very well at all. cheers.

August 31! I herd june 1st but it makes sence to go up until bear seasion. I have not read the change yet, thats 1 for us for a change.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/22/11 07:35 PM

I had a 1/3 of a barrel of bait left from December that I put out last night before dark about 1 mile from where I live. We got about 2-3in of fresh snow early this AM and it stoped around 10am. So I went out to check it out today around 3pm. Man there were fresh yote tracks all around the bait they realy worked it up. There was only about 1 5gal bucket of bait left. So I left and got rigged up and sat for 3:15min until dark and ZIP NOTA nothing but ravins and two eagals. Stinks
Posted by: donlynch

Re: Baiting - 03/23/11 03:03 PM

Scalloper, yes Sept.October,and Nov. had already been designated as no illuminating wildlife. bear and deer seasons i'm sure.
don
Posted by: harryheadshot

Re: Baiting - 03/24/11 06:27 PM

David that's a nice looking cat,I guess the season has past for cats there in Virginia too, it ended in feb here in GA.? I had a wilgame inovations camera also, and as long as I bought fresh batteries for it I got around 1,000 pics per set.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 03/31/11 07:38 AM

I had a red fox at the bait this morning from 1:30-3:00 I watched it feed for awhile.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 03/31/11 05:57 PM


A red fox has been coming to the bait most every night. I could easily have taken him with the night vision equipment, but he is considered a game animal so is off limits. It was fun watching him, though, as well as a couple of grays.
Posted by: duckstopper

Re: Baiting - 03/31/11 11:45 PM

Even though our season is over I set up a bait site to try my new trail camera. This guy was the first to show:


Then either he or another one showed up at night:


Then another critter stole the rest of my bait:
Posted by: upinthemud

Re: Baiting - 04/01/11 07:29 PM

was out driving around today and seen a coyote that had to top the scale at least 45lbs today. my dog weighs 43lbs and this this thing would tower over her. I just wish I had my camera with me. season is out here except for on your own land. I know where I am hunting next season and a good spot for a bait pile....

also does anyone know what happened to the google search engine that we had on here? posted twice about it and the post keep disappearing??? just wondering
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 04/03/11 02:38 AM

Look right above your last post! smile LOL
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 04/03/11 12:29 PM


Well, looks like that coyote has outsmarted me the whole winter. I congratulate him on his shyness and intelligence. He hasn't or wouldn't respond to the call, and he has and continues to be skiddish on the bait. He quit coming for a while, and now only comes occasionally.

I don't have as much time to hunt as I need to, combined with some bad weather this year - well, you get the picture.

But, I will say this, I have enjoyed the heck out of this winter with getting good trail camera photos of several animals - a bobcat, gray fox, red fox, raccoon, skunk and coyote, as well as crows, buzzards, ravens and hawks.

I've had a great time looking at both red and gray fox through the night vision scope, but had to let them pass since we can't bait them here for the purpose of hunting. Nonetheless, it was exciting and a lot of pleasure with just watching them.

I ended the season with one cow patty-raiding skunk with the night vision, so all was not lost.

There's a lot more to the outdoors than killing, and I've had a great winter that I consider a success. The planning, thoughts and photos, plus the night vision has made this a great one, as well as reading the posts you guys have done.

Next winter I hope to have a permanent blind, heated and more comfortable and have some time to relax a bit and enjoy. Maybe that coyote will meet his match next season, and I plan to try some calling for those fox while using the night vision scope and see how that goes.

I may continue to try for the coyote for a while longer this season, but mainly now just enjoy obtaining trail camera photos and knowing the animals are there.

This has been a very enjoyable thread and glad you got it started, Jim.

Here are some photos from last night.










Posted by: duckstopper

Re: Baiting - 04/09/11 11:02 PM

I set out some bait in a new area, just to find out what was there(season is closed). Here's a couple critters that showed up several times in the four days I had my camera out.




Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 04/14/11 07:19 AM

Yesterday I dicided to turn my light off that shines on my bait pile. At 12:30am my alarm went off. I got set up for the shot and turned on my, Kill Light bought from Boondocks, and shot a female. It looks as thoe she may be knocked up,all the better.
Posted by: shtgncoyote

Re: Baiting - 04/21/11 10:51 PM

i lived on a farm while i was growing up and taken many coyotes over fallen farm animals.my neighbors had a specific place they drug their animals to for years and as of last year i still could take coyotes in those timbers.the neighbors i speak of have past now for at least 10 years.and no more animals are laid to rest there.but the dogs seem to go there still.i do call at other locations but with limited results.this one particular location seems to be the exception.even if i dont drop the yote, i still get a glimpse. and thats better than nothing at all in my book.baiting to me is still one up.
Posted by: dft88

Re: Baiting - 05/05/11 10:14 AM

I'm new to posting pictures...this is my first try. Hope it works out ok.

There is still a little activity around my bait site. First was this guy



This one has been around for few weeks



Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 05/14/11 09:24 AM

Here are a few critters recently captured on film around the spot I dub the "Death Log" located 100 yds behind my house.






















Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 05/14/11 09:30 AM

The Big Guy upstairs dropped one in my lap this morning.
I did my civic duty and relocated from the highway shoulder to a nice wooded ravine that Mr Yote like to wander through.

I'll let them feast for a day or two, then I plan on being an uninvited guest to their Last Supper...



Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 05/17/11 06:37 PM

Well, I checked that deer yesterday at noon - nothing touched it yet.

I needed a new battery for the trailcam so I figured I would get one today.

Checked the deer first thing this morning and here is what I found:



Looks like I need another roadkill to go with that new battery.
cry
Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 05/18/11 07:44 PM

2nd helping last night:


Posted by: Faster

Re: Baiting - 05/31/11 07:48 PM

I recently got the bug to do some coyote hunting, and my online search brought me here. I currently live in New Jersey, but will probably be doing most of the hunting in Connecticut by my father's house. Unfortunately for me, the new caretaker of the farm my mother lives on here in NJ wont let me hunt there, unlike his predecessors. Too bad, because that farm has a big coyote population. NJ also doesnt allow center-fire rifle hunting as far as I know.
I'm planning on using my Bushmaster AR-15 chambered for .223/5.56 and am looking at the Luepold Mark AR scopes. This thread has been taking up most of my free time over the past few days, it's made me obsessed and Ive learned alot.
Thanks for the info.
Posted by: Labrador2

Re: Baiting - 06/04/11 06:25 PM

Jim: I love to still hunt over a bait site. Sometimes it's a peaceful time in the woods with no pressure of trying to get my calling just right to get those smart yotes to come in. I would like to hear more from others about how they bait, distance, type of bait, when they hunt over the bait ,etc. Hunting over bait just gives use yotes hunters another reason to be out in the woods.
Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 06/16/11 10:50 PM

Ok 1st want to say new to the predator huntin. I am wondering is it ok to hunt over bait in ky. 2nd has anyone tryed cooking grease, i was told by a friend who works as a park ranger at a state park that it works well, he takes especially bacon grease puts it out in the park by a street light and he shoots the yotes when the come up to the site he continues to refeash the pile regular and claims to have killed useing this method I have yet to try it havent had time but sounds interesting.
Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 06/20/11 11:38 AM

I keep a plastic jar in my fridge - that I pour grease from the frying pan into.

(make sure grease has cooled a bit b4 pouring in jar - it will melt the sides - don;t ask how I know that :)).

I will then nuke it a bit in the microwave b4 I head out. I've poured it over stumps and logs here and there. Around here - it seems to attract more bear than anything else.

Bait for me - any roadkill I see. Rabbits are Fillet Mignon - IMO better than a roadkill deer).

in the interest of eating healthy, (thanks Mrs. Obobo :)),
I cut the skin and fat off chicken, and freeze the scrap in small zip locks bags to be dropped around my spots.

for smaller road kills, I secure it to a log with a couple of spikes - make the critter work a bit for its meal = more pics on trailcam (1 min delay between pics), or it will give you that extra time to put a scope on the intended target.

If you spike the roadkill for yotes, wear gloves and drive the head of the spike into the fur really good to hide it- I believe they will notice anything that is abnormal.

For the most part, I just enjoy the critters I capture on trailcam. I notice the yotes around here stagger their visting times - unfortunately their dinner clock does not fit with my hunting schedule most of the time..


Posted by: AnotherDogDown

Re: Baiting - 06/21/11 10:47 PM

I am new to the baiting scene and was hoping for a bit of advice... What have you found to be the best way to attach your deer to your stake or tree? Do you attach animals such as rabbits differently? (I'm not sure I completely understand gmans methods and I am sure there are many other ways to do it...)
I recently tried wiring a roadkill deer to a stake by the neck and it didn't hold the carcass as well as planned. I checked the site on the third day and hardly anything had touched it. Came back the next day and the coyotes had managed to drag the deer about 30 yards or so from the stake. I am not entirely sure what happened but I do know that the wire did not break.
Should I use something other than wire? Should I put wire around more than just the animals neck? I apologize if this question has already been asked. Thanks everybody, your help is greatly appreciated!
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 06/23/11 10:30 PM

I have been baiting for quite a few years. I DO NOT put out the whole deer unless it is a road kill that is just too stinking to cut up. Any fresh deer that I find I skin it and cut it up into small pieces. I bag it up in 1 gallon bags and freeze it. I also freeze a few larger pieces and once frozen I take my cordless reciprocating saw and cut up a bunch into 2" size chunks.

If you put out the whole deer, the coyotes often find it and clean it up in a couple of nights. That does not give you enough time to figure out what time they are hitting the bait.

I do what I call pressure baiting. I put out a couple gallon bags of meat for the main bait station. Then, I will make a circle 75 yards or so in diameter, scattering bones and the small 2" size pieces randomly.

The coyotes will come in to the main bait, grab a piece and run off a short distance to eat it. They will then return to the main bait to get another piece. Having bait that they can come in and grab and leave helps makes them more comfortable around the baited area. Once they have cleaned up the 2 gallon or so in the main station they will begin "hunting" the area for the small bits that are scattered.

This does two things. It keeps them in the area for a longer time and it makes them visit the area more often because they soon realize that if they don't come often, there will be little left for them to eat.

I replenish my baits mid afternoon during the winter. This seems to encourage them to visit the bait earlier in the evening. When I place fresh bait, I load the bags of meat on the ATV and drive to the bait site. I DO NOT get off the ATV. I drive in, turn the bag upside down and dump the meat and drive on. Do not touch the meat once you have it bagged. Usually they will hit the bait between dusk and 10:pm. and they often check back between 4:am and daylight to see if there are any leftovers.

When I have something large like a cow, I put the whole animal out but only pull the hide back on one area, usually one of the back legs. The coyotes will start on the easiest to get part first. If it is freezing weather a cow hide will often freeze enough that they won't eat much more than what you expose for them. I use a small axe to cut the hide loose from the frozen carcass.

For late winter my favorite bait is hog hide's and scraps from butchering hogs.

Over the years I have found that staking a bait just makes them more suspicious and it takes them longer to feel comfortable around the baited area.

Once I have them hitting the bait regularly, I often use a lone howl at daylight and dusk. This will sometimes provoke a visit if there are any in the area that have been hitting the bait.
Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 06/25/11 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Jackindistress
Over the years I have found that staking a bait just makes them more suspicious and it takes them longer to feel comfortable around the baited area.


If you do a sloppy job or do not conceal the spikes inside the piece of bait, then I think it might make a difference.

I make sure to bury the spike inside the piece of meat - with or without fur don't matter.

I make sure I leave NO Scent in the area - get in/out quick.

Here's a set from 2 nights ago.

Mr Fox beat Mr Yote to the dinner table.

I spiked a chipmunk and a chunk of frozen chicken carcuss (via 16 penny nails) to a log & board.

Notice the elapsed time between shots. He had to work just long enough to allow the camera to get multiple shots.
I have my camera set at 1 min delay between shots.



It only took him 2 mins to scarf down that chipmunk, then he was back for more...









I have had no experiences where I think my spikes scared the critter.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 06/26/11 11:13 AM

In my experience, it is not the spike or what ever is used to anchor the bait. It is the fact that the coyote can not drag the deer carcass.
Posted by: gman2153

Re: Baiting - 06/26/11 10:49 PM

When I use road kill deer, my experiences are the opposite.

The yotes eat the deer (always from the rear end forward) where it lays... I posted a pic of a recent roadkill drop - and it is indicative of what the yotes do.

I don't bother staking them, drop the whole deer.

After the first feeding, they will tear parts off it and scatter it a bit, but not much.

Black bear are the draggers..

I don't know what part of the country you live & hunt.

Perhaps conditions and the critters territorial concerns, etc, make them behave differently than the Pocono yotes I chase around here in Pa.

These animals are so adaptive nothing about them can be written in stone - that's for sure.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 08/14/11 04:13 PM

Started reading in this thread months back, and picked up lots of good info and tips.

Just wanted to pass this along. I have a couple of game cameras set up in my backyard. I caught coyotes eating pears off one of my trees. Actually have some shots of them pulling pears off the lower limbs. Anyway decided to bait them with dog food and table scraps. They are coming regularly now and I've also found out they love watermelon and cantalope scraps as well. Thanks to Boondock Outdoors and my new XLR-250 redlight, the population is taking a hit.




3 of that group of 4 coyotes in the picture have now moved on to an eternal resting place.


Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 08/23/11 09:19 AM

DoubleUp

Your right the XLR-250 kill light is a great tool for hunting coyotes for sure. I have watched many coyotes and fox and I have not seen where it has spooked any. A bait pile,wireless alarm,250 kill light and a quiet sliding window will get you a pile of coyotes in a year.
Posted by: 223 remingtonadl

Re: Baiting - 08/23/11 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: DoubleUp
Started reading in this thread months back, and picked up lots of good info and tips.

Just wanted to pass this along. I have a couple of game cameras set up in my backyard. I caught coyotes eating pears off one of my trees. Actually have some shots of them pulling pears off the lower limbs. Anyway decided to bait them with dog food and table scraps. They are coming regularly now and I've also found out they love watermelon and cantalope scraps as well. Thanks to Boondock Outdoors and my new XLR-250 redlight, the population is taking a hit.

http://s1098.photobucket.com/albums/g374/DoubleUp8/?action=view&current=MDGC0092.jpg

3 of that group of 4 coyotes in the picture have now moved on to an eternal resting place.




Pictures why no pictures.
Posted by: OldTurtle

Re: Baiting - 08/23/11 10:46 AM

Quote:
Pictures why no pictures.
..The link provided worked for me on one, but stalled on any others..
Posted by: 223 remingtonadl

Re: Baiting - 08/23/11 11:02 AM

Dead coyote pictures.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 08/24/11 09:26 AM

Sorry guys, not too good with pictures. Must be my age. If you can see the picture you know the coyotes look better than I do.

Posted by: carsonwild

Re: Baiting - 08/25/11 09:27 AM

Holly molly this is one long thread.
I really found it very informative and interesting.
Always looking for more tools to help me with hunting yotes.
Keep those tip and pics coming.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 09/05/11 06:23 AM

New blind, can't wait to try it out, a few finishing touches and its done. Bait pile 100yds.


Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 09/05/11 06:32 AM

Pictures from the trail camera at the new blind


Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 09/05/11 11:43 PM

Hey Dan,

Wow, you certainly have a sweet spot there with a nice blind and good view, as well as a variety of critters around. Please keep us posted this winter with good stories and photos.

I too have been putting together a new hunting blind and will post photos later. It's still a work in progress and will be much better than my pop-up blind in the briar patch that I had last year. The wind and snow played havoc on it, but this year's model will brave the elements. If only I can get coyotes to pose for the night vision, then it will be a success.

David
Posted by: ironworker

Re: Baiting - 09/12/11 05:52 PM

What about canned dog or cat food ?
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 09/12/11 10:43 PM

ironworker, I'm sure either would work. I baited them pretty successfully using Ol Roy dry dogfood. They seem to eat most anything in the table scrap variety as well.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 09/19/11 07:31 AM

The blind is complete, all the windows are in and the steps are done, carpeting layed, and heat installed. First test comes on the 24th, bear season, hoping my cousin has luck, I won't hunt it until bear season is over or a bear is shot out of it.


Posted by: carsonwild

Re: Baiting - 09/22/11 12:38 PM

Woow nice stand bannyk.
Love the rough cut log siding.
Way to go.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 09/22/11 05:35 PM

Well the flies are fading fast due to the recent frost so its time to fire up the bait pile. So last week I got a road kill deer and put it out,bang,one night gone. I think it was a bear as we are loaded up with them this year,but I also put out a barrel of parts from a butcher and within three days that was also gone. I start my bait pile 200 yds back from my home in a small feild that I cannot see then as the coyotes work it I move it closer to the shooting lane which has my wireless beeper.We cannot hunt coyotes at night in Maine until after deer seasion so they get some free meals on me for the time being. I will be going moose hunting sept 30th so hopfuly I will restock the pile.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 09/30/11 12:11 AM

Thats a nice blind you got there and the bear is a good size. Good luck with it Danny.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 10/06/11 06:10 AM

Weather is to warm, the feeding frenzy we had for a little while is over with the warm up we have experienced. The bear has really cut down on the portion of food it has been consuming every night, or it has left the area and the raccoons and skunks are working the pile over. Even the bird life has left with plenty of road kill deer still on the pile.
Posted by: BlueDuck

Re: Baiting - 10/16/11 09:25 AM

Very nice set up Dannyk. I have a similar blind, but your steps are way higher tech.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 10/22/11 10:22 PM

Just wanted to let you guys know that I'm still getting good results with dry dog food and whatever table scraps and pieces of fruit that we have added in.


Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 10/26/11 10:55 PM

what have you guys found to be the best driveway sensors and where to buy
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 10/27/11 07:13 AM

I am using one that I got from Amazon called a "Driveway Patrol Sensor and Receiver Kit" for $16.59. It is 90 yds from my house. It took some work to find the place where the receiver needed to be located to go off when a coyote approached the bait, but it works good now. This cat came in Friday morning early and was back just at dark last night. Big SNAFU on him, no shot.


I also put my sensor in a plastic container to protect it from the weather and placed a piece of aluminum foil in a semi-circle on the backside between the sensor and container to act as sort of dish or reflector to amplify the signal going toward the house. It helped right much. This coyote came in last night at just after 11 and alarm went off, but he was gone too quickly.
Posted by: BrownBear1998

Re: Baiting - 10/31/11 10:06 PM

Question for all of you..........I started baiting a few years ago, last year I went to a driveway sensor etc.........now this year I got the bait going again and they picked up right were they left off.......every night buzzer going off sometimes you open the window and they are there, lots of other times they are not.......I want to take it a step further this year and add a security camera to the set up. I would like to be able to see what is there, and what they are doing before I commit to opening that window or getting out of bed for that matter!!! I have big visions of sitting in my shop looking at my bait on a tv screen! Is that wrong? I think it would be pretty cool!! I think more than anything I could learn alot about what baits they like how they approach them etc. Question is does anyone do this, if so what camera setup do you have any suggestions???
Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 11/02/11 02:53 AM

now that sounds like a good idea keep me posted on your info. i am waiting on loggers to finish so can get mine set up here at the house
Posted by: NDAR15MAN

Re: Baiting - 11/02/11 05:18 PM

would it be possible for the moderator to put a long term posting up on the forum on how to make and install a feeder motion censor light ? maybe one of the advertizer could even put one up. i think alot of guys would like to buy one for xmas this year. thanks. marty
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/02/11 10:39 PM

I tried two different sensors and neither worked well. Then I decided to spend a bit more money in hopes of finding one that works, one designed for hunters. Will keep you informed.

UPDATE: I regret to say after quite a bit of testing, that the SpyPoint has been disappointing. Too many animals - coyotes, skunks and possums, have all passed in front of it without it alerting me. I contacted Tech Support in an effort to find a solution. They suggested placing the SpyPoint lower to the ground than the recommended height of 3 feet. The recommended height, they say, was intended for deer.

I then placed the unit lower to the ground and still had animals all around it and no alert was sent. I installed fresh batteries but nothing worked. I have played around with setting it at different heights above the ground and still it's not good.

Tech Support informed me that the SpyPoint scans from side to side at about a 30 degree coverage, it does not scan up and down. They also suggested that I purchase a 9-volt wiring and connector from Radio Shack, something I have not done yet, and hook a 12-volt battery to the receiver. Seems to me that the unit should work as it is, especially considering cost.

At this point, I cannot recommend the SpyPoint and give it a thumbs down. I will however, continue to experiment even more with it in hopes of finding a solution.



Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/04/11 02:06 PM

6mm06, what is the effective range from sensor to receiver that you are getting with the spypoint?
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/04/11 07:26 PM

DoubleUP,

I can't really say just yet, but I've tried it at 25 yards and it works fine. It will need to work at 60 yards for me, so very soon it will be put to the test. It's rated for a much further distance (I don't recall exactly what) and that's what led me to get it, plus good reviews.

I tried other sensors and had problems with both. One kept going off every few seconds, and the other one wasn't reliable. I had gray fox all over the bait last season and the sensor wouldn't alarm me, then it would go off with nothing there. Hopefully this Spypoint will serve the purpose.

I'll keep you posted.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/04/11 08:02 PM

6mm06, I hope it will work out good for you. The range is supposed to be 1,000 ft, so it should be okay.

Please report back after you get chance to test it some more.

So far my cheap one is working perfectly, but I'm always looking for a better mousetrap.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/05/11 04:11 PM

In the bait right at first light. Not as much fun as calling, but I'll take her anyway. Alarm worked perfectly.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/05/11 08:28 PM


Nice going DoubleUP. I'm like you, I would rather call them but I'll take them over bait too.

Calling here in my neck of the woods works, sometimes, but I sure do put in a lot of time and effort calling to get one or two. It's not as easy here as in the western states, but it's a lot of fun trying.

Here is a link to the hunt I just finished that demonstrates hunting out west.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...199#Post2036199

It seems that coyotes just kept coming to the call, but here it just doesn't happen that way. That's why I have turned to baiting, but I won't give up calling either. Baiting just adds one more demension to my hunting efforts. I'm reallly going to give night vision a good try this winter. Will keep you posted.



Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/05/11 08:54 PM

6mm06, I had been keeping up with your adventures on the big western hunt. It sounds like a great time with great friends. Congrats to all of you.

Looking forward to hearing how your new alarm works out.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/12/11 08:31 AM

Howdy all! Just wanted to jump back on and say "'Tis the season again". I have 2 bait piles up and running with a new addition for me this year- a sensor. Things in my neck of the woods have been unbelievably slow. Have yet to see a grey. I had this vixen show up on the game cam a few times, even took a shot at her and missed --not the case last night. Feels good to finally have one under the belt.
Hope all of you are well and have a successful season.

Posted by: Outwest1

Re: Baiting - 11/17/11 08:09 PM

no doubt about it Connie, you are one foxy killing lady
Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 11/18/11 07:14 PM

have any of you fellas used fish remains as bait, reason i asked is i have been crappie fising alot lately and dumping remains in our field and been able to shoot several coyotes off it didnt know if you guys have tried or had similar success also going to try a fishbait pop cycle this winter too
Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 11/18/11 07:15 PM

6mm06 where did you find that spy point came and what model havent been able to locate that particular model
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/18/11 09:39 PM

kyflshooter, don't know where 6mm06 found his, but the following website has them.

http://www.extremeoutdoorventures.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=9779

Coyotes will eat about anything which doesn't eat them first, including each other.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/18/11 09:55 PM

Kyflshooter,

I think I got it at Sportsman's Guide, but I can't find the invoice, but I'm pretty sure that's where I got it. The price in the link above is much cheaper than I paid for mine.

I think there may be a newer model out now. Did you try SpyPoint website?

David
Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 11/18/11 10:00 PM

thanks for the info
Posted by: kyflshooter

Re: Baiting - 11/18/11 10:06 PM

has anyone done the wireless video yet i am curious to see whats working
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/19/11 04:08 PM

Thanks Nick. It's been really a slow start here. I was going to ask how things were on the Eastern Shore, but I see Wyoming is now your location. Any luck with dogs out there?
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/19/11 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: kyflshooter
have any of you fellas used fish remains as bait, reason i asked is i have been crappie fising alot lately and dumping remains in our field and been able to shoot several coyotes off it didnt know if you guys have tried or had similar success also going to try a fishbait pop cycle this winter too

I have been putting out whole Carp for the last 2 years. Nothing will touch them not even the buzzards. (Can't say I blame 'em!) Perhaps Crappie will work as a better bait....just try it an see! unsure
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/19/11 05:17 PM

gobblergetter, maybe you need to find some Oriental coyotes for those carp. thumbup1
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/19/11 06:27 PM

This female was sneaking around the bait pile at the back of my pond about 11:30 last night. Shot her at 147 yards with the 204 using a 32 v-max and she was another bang flop. I was using the EWT-red 250 Kill Light. Many thanks to Jeremiah at Boondock Outdoors. This makes 11 that I've taken with the EWT-250 since Aug.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/19/11 07:57 PM

Hi DU. Ya know I think those carp are going in the bone pile along with all the other picked over carcasses. lol
That is one furred up female, very nice size too. I too use the 250 Kill Light on my gun and it can really reach out there and light things up. I was using a LightForce 170 light before which can also reach out there with some light. The disadvantage is that the LightForce is quite big and cumbersome with an external battery pack. The advantage with that light is that it has a reostat (sp?) control where I am able to down size the light beam in close hunting quarters. If only EWT could come up with such a thing for their Kill Light, it would be the perfect light for me.
Keep those dead coyote pictures coming. thumbup1
Posted by: Outwest1

Re: Baiting - 11/19/11 09:13 PM

yeah been killing a few but with deer+pheasant season in they're getting skittish
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/20/11 09:40 AM

SWEEET! thumbup
Posted by: dft88

Re: Baiting - 11/20/11 03:01 PM

kyflshooter

I used fish scraps some last winter. Had a resident bear and some coons on it but no coyote.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/20/11 08:28 PM

Does anyone know where to get an adjustable mount for the 250 Kill light, one similar to what is used on the ND3. I have a 250 light, but it needs some adjusting to be centered with the aiming point. I see that the ND3 adjustable mount is available for $50, but will it fit the 250? Is there a cheaper substitute?

David
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/20/11 09:49 PM

6mm06, you will probably get the correct answer on the Night Calling forum or just contact Jeremiah at Boondock Outdoors.

I reckon I was just lucky but my 250 lines up very well with the crosshairs using the including scope mount.
Posted by: justin10mm

Re: Baiting - 11/22/11 11:27 AM

Finally got my first one off the bait pile this season. Have had a big hog out for a couple weeks with no takers during the day time until this morning. I limbered up the .22-250rem. and put a 55gr. Ballistic Tip through her hart at 290 yards while she tried to drag the carcass away.

Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/22/11 11:32 AM


Wow, that Ballistic Tip is not fur friendly, but put her down quickly I'm sure. Congratulations.
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 11/22/11 05:54 PM

Hi David..I'm Glad to see you well and Hunting. The season is here again.
Hi GG..Same goes for you nice Lady.
I have been busy with work and grown kids. I Thank the Lord for All that...

Cheers to both of you for another Great Season of Predator Control. The Deer will Thank you for the effort.

I have a Large pile of bait this year. Been Duck and Goose Hunting alot, and have 80 of them right where they need to be.Also 3 deer have fallen to our Bows and Shotguns. We,(my son who just got back from the Army and I),have been busy Harvesting Game for the freezer. It's so full, I have Duct tape ready to tape it shut..Lol.

Here is a short Vid of a Bow coyote Kill. I missed the kill with the camera, but got the results on vid. This is 2 'yotes. First 1 I nail at 12 yards(not shown) and the 2nd I take the hair of it...

http://youtu.be/V6Q8cc2sZjY
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/22/11 09:13 PM


Nice job weaponx. Bowhunting coyotes ranks right up there. Looking forward to more of your posts and exchanges this season.

David
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/24/11 12:54 PM

weaponx and justin10mm- nice going on both of those yotes. Congratulations. thumbup1
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 11/24/11 01:03 PM


This red is starting to show up at the bait on a fairly regular basis. Now, if there can only be a night without wind (errr...!), maybe I will have a chance at it.

And, Happy Turkey Day to everyone!


Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 11/27/11 06:35 PM

WTG guys on the coyotes.
I put out 3 barrels of bait I got from a butcher shop 1 month ago but I have not had much hitting it at all. I have been out scouting deer and bear hunting the area sence sept but I havent seen much sign at all. I shot 11 coyotes on my bait pile last winter. I did get 2 knocked up females but I thought there would be more move in by now. I may need to set up another location.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 11/27/11 09:35 PM

My trail camera is getting some coyotes occasionally. They don't come to the bait every night, but just enough to know they are there. Problem is the timing. Seems they don't come at any particular time of night, making it difficult to know when to hunt.

Skunks and possums are coming to the bait quite often, and gray fox sometimes too. A few nights ago a bobcat also visited.

Here are a few photos taken recently. Hopefully I have some success before too long. If not, I'll have a darn good time trying.

I have two cameras mounted on a post. One is set for flash and the other is infrared only at night. What one doesn't get, the other does usually.





















Posted by: sharkathmi

Re: Baiting - 11/27/11 10:12 PM

I just found this thread a couple days ago...
It took a two days to read it from start to finish. (Time restraints...not a slow reader! laugh )
Very nice thread and you will see me posting here from time to time.
6mm06 - cool photos.
I wish you well in getting a couple of these critters!
Good hunting!
Posted by: 6724

Re: Baiting - 11/29/11 09:09 PM

2 years ago i had bait out near the house and i killed 9 coyotes off of it, mostly during daylight hours. one day i shot the left front leg off of a dog, no kidding it was laying on the ground when i went out to collect him. after that the coyotes have not been on my bait much. last winter i put out roadkill deer regularly but only got 1 all season. i put up a trail camera to see if they were there at night and it proved that they were not touching the bait. then i set up a wireless motion detector, i had a couple fox come by late in the season, but there were only 2 or 3 instances where a coyote hit the bait. this season i put out a roadkill and that very night i got one. have not seen one, got a picture of one, or had the motion sensor set off since. there are occasionally tracks about 15 yards from the bait but they will not go up to it.

i put a roadkill at the neighbors place and got one off it the first night i stayed at her place, put another one out yesterday but missed one at 5:AM. at her place i dont have a motion sensor so it is hit or miss getting up during the night, the bait is also at maximum range for my light so it is really hard to see a good sight picture.

the bait at my house is 2 roadkill deer, and the trimmings from my elk. right now there are not even birds on it. i do not go near the bait for a week at a time, how do i get them to come back?
Posted by: BlueDuck

Re: Baiting - 11/30/11 08:46 PM

I have been following this thread from the start. I like it. I have baited bears for years and started baiting coyotes last winter. There is more then one way to skin a cat, and Im learning some of them on this thread.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 11/30/11 10:12 PM

6724, I'm not sure I can adequately answer your question, but others will probably be adding their input.

I've killed 13 over my baitpile this fall, but haven't had one in for about 2 weeks. Like you did with 9, I think taking out 13 in one area in 3 months has greatly diminished the numbers available right now.

Secondly they get wise, and if you miss or cripple, it seems the others get onto you pretty quickly. I've tried to only shoot when just one is on the bait pile, but there isn't any way to tell how many are watching just out of sight in the darkness.

I think we may have to quit shooting (hard to do) and just let them feed unmolested. That way one will bring another one and so forth. Right now if we kill everyone as soon as we get them on the bait, it will diminish attracting others I believe. My problem is I want to kill everyone I see as soon as I get chance, and that may be counterproductive.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/01/11 03:10 PM


I only wish I had as many to shoot at as you guys do. I've had two come to the bait that I am aware of.

I guess it's bitter-sweet in either having too many coyotes or not enough. Too many is not good for the wildlife populations, yet too few is not good for the hunter, me.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 12/01/11 06:02 PM

6mm06, you might be like the old guy told me about 40 yrs ago while we were duck hunting. He said, "Be right down boys, be right down, they're a comin' but they're a long ways off." About 5 seconds later he jumps up with his Browning and it is bam, bam, bam.

You'll get 'em that's for sure.
Posted by: Jackindistress

Re: Baiting - 12/01/11 08:28 PM

6724,
You said you have seen tracks coming up close to the bait but not feeding on it. Sometimes it takes them awhile to be confident enough to come and actually eat off of a whole carcass. Sometimes even the placement of the bait makes a lot of difference. I have had bait placed maybe 150 yards in a field before and one they were eating on and not touching the other one.

When they got one cleaned up I figured they would move over to the other carcass, but like you....they just made tracks close to it. I ended up tying it onto the tractor and pulling it down to where the other bait was and they then started eating on it.

Never did figure out what difference it made because they were both about the same distance from tall CRP grass and the timber edge.

One thing that will help (or does for me anyhow) is to scatter a lot of small pieces around a pretty wide area close to the main bait. I get scraps from the deer processor and I use a cordless reciprocating saw to cut the leg bones and rig cages up into smaller pieces.

You will miss getting a few shots when they come in at night for awhile because they will run in and grab a small piece and go off a ways to eat it. But, they will soon return for another piece. You will get them on the return trip.......or eventually they get the small pieces carried off and feel safe enough to stay and eat on the main bait.

This actually helps a lot if you are hunting during daylight because after a few weeks they have small bones scattered all over a pretty good sized area. I have a 10 acre CRP field next to a woods that I place my bait in. After a month of baiting they have small bones and pieces of hide scattered all over that field.

When a coyote enters the field he will get the scent of those small bones and usually spends quite a bit of time checking out several of them before he gets to the main bait.

Sometimes after I kill 5 or 6 off a bait, all activity is over for awhile. Seems like you eventually kill all of the ones that are brave enough to feed there and you have to wait for more coyotes to move into the area.

Usually for the area that I hunt anyway, once the activity at the bait slacks off, it takes a major storm or good cold front to shake things up and get more coyotes in the area.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/02/11 11:33 AM

Rifle deer season is over, smoke pole season has begun, I'll be making my first attempt at coyotes from the new blind today.
Posted by: wookalark

Re: Baiting - 12/02/11 01:15 PM

Just curious.....deer ever come into the bait pile..
Posted by: 6724

Re: Baiting - 12/02/11 09:11 PM

some good ideas, i was thinking about letting them free feed for a while, but right now i have 2 deer carcasses stacked up and they have been there for 2 weeks. i might try moving the bait farther from the house. i have an xlr250 now and can reach out a little further.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/04/11 03:32 PM

The deer are always wandering around the bait pile.
Posted by: carsonwild

Re: Baiting - 12/04/11 08:33 PM

This is a cool topic all in need is a place to set up and I can try out all the cool tactics.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/05/11 10:24 PM

Well, I am finally getting around to posting my project that I have been working on all summer. In theory at least, it should work. In practice it remains to be seen. Here are the details.

This summer I purchased an Amish-built storage building, an 8x12 to act as both a hunting blind and a small cabin. A buddy and I constructed a 12x12 foot platform for the building to sit on. When delivered, the building was slid off onto the platform, squared up on the ends and back, thus giving me a 4 foot porch. The window I ordered specifically for shooting. It's 3 feet square and slides from side to side rather than up and down.


UPDATE: YouTube link to the night vision / infrared light setup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzfRFiTeLQY&feature=youtu.be











Once the building was in place, I began assembling a bait site specifically designed for night vision use. Earlier in the year I purchased an ATN Spartan 410 night vision scope and put it on my Dtech 6x45 AR. I replaced the illuminator with a Luna laser illuminator that made it a much better outfit.




Then I found some hog hunting lights on HuntSports.com and got some ideas. On E-Bay I found some neat little infrared lights that have 48 LEDs and each has it's own photo cell.




I arranged 5 of these lights on a small plywood platform to use in a tree at the bait site. The infrared lights are not visible to the eye, but the night vision scope and a Sony camera with the night shot feature sees very well. The main reason for the lights was for video purposes since I don't need them when using the laser illuminator. However, the lights allow me to see much better than with the illuminator alone, and actually the illuminator is not needed if using the light system described.




The problem I encountered with the lights was that of battery drain. A small Cabela's gel cell battery would only power the lights for a few hours, three or less before being drained. As a result I began to search for a remote control DC switch (suggested on HuntSports.com) that would allow me to turn the lights on and off only as needed, thus saving battery power. I found one on Ebay. It's a neat little switch and works great. I wired it into the infrared lights, then ran the positive and negative leads down the tree to the base where I attached the gel cell battery. From the cabin I can remotely turn the lights on and off as needed.







Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/05/11 10:24 PM

Next I have a SpyPoint detection sensor system to alert me that something is on the bait. That way I can then turn the lights on when needed. Currently I'm having some issues with the SpyPoint so the verdict is out right now with that one. Hopefully I'll be able to find the right combination of distance and height that will be just right for notifying me of critters on the bait.

UPDATE: The SpyPoint sensor has been a big disappointment and has not worked well. I learned through communication with tech support that it scans from side to side and not up and down. Seems to me a scanner should scan in both directions. Too many animals have passed in front of the SpyPoint without it notifying me. I have since switched to another sensor and am in the process of trying it.




My current bait site is only 60 yards from the cabin, too close probably.




I am now exploring reestablishing the bait site to 135 yards.




The problem I see with my new set up at 135 yards is that of the low 5x magnification of the Spartan scope. I wish it had more, at least 8 or 10x, but to my knowledge, even with Gen 3 scopes, 6x is as high as available. Still, with the infrared light system I think a good shot can be made.

I have had two coyotes coming to the bait, and I actually saw one about two weeks ago while sitting in the cabin, but could not get a shot before it was gone.









Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/05/11 10:25 PM


The main reason I use the infrared lights is for video purposes. The Sony camera needs the infrared to see. I can shoot without the lights since I have an illuminator on my scope, but also the lights greatly increase my viewing ability with the scope, so they are a real asset.


UPDATE: YouTube link to the night vision / infrared light setup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzfRFiTeLQY&feature=youtu.be






Here are some photos extracted from video files recently. I have experimented with the lights at various distances and locations.

30 yards





40 yards





60 yard Possum





60 yard Skunk




Keep in mind that the illumination cannot be seen with the eye, only with the night vision scope or the camera.
The eye sees nothing but darkness. Amazing technology.

These photos are not as clear since they are extracted from video files. Seen through the scope and camera, the scene is very bright.

The system, in theory as I mentioned, has potential to be a good setup for shooting at night. Time will tell if the coyotes cooperate. I'll keep you posted as to the results, if any.


Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 12/05/11 11:13 PM

Excellent post, setup, pics, and thorough explanation. Now we just need some dead coyotes as payoff on all that labor.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/05/11 11:49 PM

Thanks DoubleUp. I've often said that half the fun is in the process. I've had a great time "thinking and planning" this project, so it's all been worth it already. Getting a coyote on video, while using night vision and the light system is my desire. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen. It's much easier without having to man the camera.

It's been a lot of enjoyment just to stay at the cabin. One night I had a gray fox out in the front yard scolding me around midnight, then awoke me again later up in the early morning hours with it doing the same. I've seen deer while there, and have just had some nice solitude and quiet times.

The cabin has been a work in progress that I have been doing since summer. After trying a pop-up blind last winter and having the wind and snow constantly wreck it, I decided to get something more permanent.

I have begun to insulate the building. Most of it is completed, except for the back wall. I still need to put OSB over the insulation in some places.

I installed a 10,000 BTU propane heater that is connected to a 20# tank that sits underneat the cabin platform.




I added a bunk of course, and also a cabinet for items such as propane cooking stove, can of coffee, paper plates etc.




For the ceiling I had to use foam board insulation due to the construction of the building. While it doesn't have the
highest R value, it will still keep a lot of heat in the cabin that would otherwise go up and out through the vents.
I have a small attic with vents and plan to put a ridge vent next summer.

I use DC lights for illumination in the building. I have two bulbs that are 2 watts each. They offer a lot of illumination
for an 8x12 foot building.




For power I use a battery power pack I purchased from Sportsman's Guide. This little unit works fantastic and
powers all the lights I need for several evenings before needing a recharge.





I wired in one of the remote control switches to the cabin lights. One touch of a button and on they come, same for turning them off. Those remote switches are the cat's meow.




You know what they say about hind-sight. If I had it all to do over again, I would have purchased a larger building.



Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 12/06/11 02:12 AM

WOW!!!!!! What a great setup. Good luck with it.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/06/11 06:56 AM

Nice set up, I'm sure the 60yd distance will pay off as the coyotes get to relying on the bait pile. We havent had anything coming to the bait lately other than the deer roaming around. It is just nice to be able to sit for hours in comfort and watch the wildlife.
Posted by: BlueDuck

Re: Baiting - 12/06/11 10:34 AM

Very interesting setup. Your sure into it. Good luck and keep us posted.
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 12/06/11 10:57 AM

Man David, you've been busy on that bait site. After seeing the night footage from New Mexico, I can't wait to see how this works out with the LED lights. It would be fun to shoot skunks, possums, and coyotes with that setup. Now you need to get a muffler for that AR to round out the package thumbup.
Posted by: Gary Denbo

Re: Baiting - 12/06/11 01:31 PM

I agree with GG ,new to the post an having a blast. I agree that baiting in PM shold have its own site.Ben huntin coyotes all my life and am 60 now.I have an oldar pair I can't get to come to the call,and won't stick around when
the white lite hits 'em so will try to bait them. I can't get around very good from having a broken back 4 years ago but am up for awhile. will quit BS ing an get back to readin. Am learning a lot and enjoy the pictures and suggestions Get 'er Done
Posted by: carsonwild

Re: Baiting - 12/07/11 02:42 PM

Welcome to Predator Master Gary Denbo.
Posted by: 2 Card

Re: Baiting - 12/09/11 01:50 PM


Hey Dannyk you posted about your 17HMR earlier. It sure does the job on Coons but I've yet to get a Coyote with mine yet. I have the same Savage 17HMR and its a little tack driver but does it do a good job on Coyotes?
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/10/11 06:34 AM

Haven't had a chance at a coyote yet, wish we could use the center fire at night instead but thats all we have.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/10/11 06:12 PM

Nothing been hitting the bait as of late, weve been down around zero for the last several nights but no takers. No vocals at all no matter who I talk to in the area. Took the atv and rode the roads in the area, no sign at all. Hope they show soon, even the ravens aren't visiting the pile.
Posted by: 2 Card

Re: Baiting - 12/11/11 01:43 AM


We were talking of the same lack of activity and we came up with the notion that over that past several weeks they've eaten real well at all the deer hunter gut piles and found a few wounded ones too. So maybe it'll take a couple of weeks for them to get hungry. I'm going to put out a few baitsicles as a Christmas presant.
Posted by: Redfox Adventures

Re: Baiting - 12/11/11 02:31 PM

Great job folks, and some realy nice pictures. Just came in from hanging cameras and motion senors getting ready for the 16th. I put out some finger food the other day and no hits yet saved the bigger stuff for next Friday night.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/11/11 05:14 PM


Two nights ago one of the coyotes returned to the bait, but was very skiddish and kept looking at the cabin. I put out more bait yesterday evening and nothing hit it last night, not even the possum that was a nightly visitor. I guess there are just times when they don't respond, regardless. Maybe as 2 Card said, it may take a couple of weeks for them to get hungry, and maybe a bit of cold weather for a while too.

These photos are from two nights ago, a dark-colored coyote, looks pretty good to me. I'm just waiting and hoping for the opportunity.





Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 12/11/11 07:37 PM

Might wait for that moon to darken a little. I called off a good chance to go last night because it is so bright. It may be better in the next week or so. I love the dark colors in that coyote David.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 12/12/11 02:38 AM

That dark colored one sure looks nice. Good luck with getting that one.
Posted by: Redfox Adventures

Re: Baiting - 12/12/11 02:52 PM

The dark one is a beaut. Went down back today more sign than up around the house they will be up as soon as it darkens up a little.
Posted by: Apke hunter

Re: Baiting - 12/14/11 12:35 AM

Anyone got some tips for a noob. I got bait and a bait light but it's some homemade thing that my uncle made for something else. I was wondering if I need another light to shoot. Also do you leave the bait light on all the time even when your not hunting or turn it on only when your hunting. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/15/11 12:32 AM

Apke Hunter,

Check out HuntSports.com online. He talks about lights for hunting at night and of animals getting used to them. The problem I see with that, however, is that of battery drain. A few lights that illuminate well enough to see will drain a battery pretty quickly, so a large amp battery is needed and a source to recharge it if the lights will burn every night, all night, such as a solar panel.

A lot of guys use red lens lights to illuminate the area when an animal is present, and they have good results with that. For me, I keep thinking I want to be less intimidating to the coyotes and not put lights on them and perhaps have them get away or maybe wound one.

My outfit for now at least is night vision. I have a light setup but turn it on and off as needed. The light is not visible to the eye. A small gel cell battery will power the lights very well before needing a recharge since I only use them when needed. Time will tell if it will work well.

I like the idea of having lights come on at night via photo cell and remain on all night, and charge by day with a solar panel. The only problem with that is cost. A solar panel powerful enough to make that happen is not cheap, and a large amp battery would be needed, again not cheap. However, given those two items combined with good lights, it should produce good light necessary for making good shots.

I heard recently of one guy who baits underneath a street light and he has taken several coyotes. So, I guess animals do get used to the lights over time and don't pay much attention to them. Where I hunt on the family farm, there is no electricity, so everything has to be powered by battery.
Posted by: Apke hunter

Re: Baiting - 12/15/11 12:41 AM

Thanks 6mm06

My light is red and runs off a 12v battery. Got a couple laying around the farm so shouldn't be bad. I just want to be able to see something coming without having to scan and I will just be sitting 75yds away.

Nightvison is out of the question. Im in high school and don't have a lot of money any way. Deal Extreme seem to have some good lights for my gun any idea on which one i should get?
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/15/11 03:11 PM

A lot of guys are using the XLR 250 Kill Light for spotting. I have one to mounted on an AR, but consider it more for calling and closer ranges. Maybe some others will chime in with some advice on that for you.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/19/11 12:15 AM

Awesome thread! I am just now getting into varmint hunting and was looking for this kind of information. Having read this thread for 53 pages I feel like I know you guys already! Haha. Good luck out there!


6mm06,
If you need some help in that awesome blind of yours, give me a call smile Judging by the landscape in your pics you aren't too far from me!
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/19/11 07:17 PM

Still quiet in the north woods, a few tracks over the last couple of days, but no vocals at all.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/19/11 08:47 PM

I've got yotes howling all night long. Once I get my stand complete and my new varmint rifle put together I'll be stackin' 'em! laugh
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 12/19/11 09:49 PM

Aacider85, I made a mistake in shooting too many coyotes at my baitsite. It has been a good while since I've had one on the bait now (3 weeks). I have a couple of trail cameras on the baitsite, and I believe it would really work best not to shoot again until I have pictures of at least a pair at the bait. That way if I leave one, it will be more likely to attract another.

I have pictures of as many as 5 at one time on the bait site. I shot 13 this fall on the site. I wish I hadn't got so carried away. Now I'm having to wait for others to expand into the area and find the bait. Right now it is a slow process.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/19/11 10:14 PM

I hope I will be able to contain myself if there are that many yotes running around at once! Fortunately, it is year round open season here so I won't be too rushed to get all my hunting in before season ends. I even have a couple of the local farmers talking about paying me on a per coyote basis. Gotta keep them cows alive.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 12/19/11 11:51 PM

That's great! Hope it all works out well for you. Keep us posted, and remember we like pictures.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/20/11 07:17 PM


Aacider85, actually I live in the Southwestern part of the state, quite a distance from you. But, Virginia is Virginia. Would gladly share the hunting seat in my blind.

DoubleUp, I'm still trying to get #1, but having a lot of fun in the process of it. Thirteen coyotes is a bunch to say the least. I know of only three that have visited my site.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 12/20/11 10:01 PM

6mm06, yes it is. Sure worked beyond my wildest imagination, but I didn't get the one that counted. I would trade all 13 for #14 as you well know.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/20/11 11:34 PM

6mm06, I'm surprised you aren't over run with them! The reports we get in central VA is that Southwest VA is swarmed with yotes. Are there any livestock near you?

When I get my place all situated you can come share my blind too. I might have more coyotes running around than you do?? It sure sounds like I've got a bunch out there talking to each other every night.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/21/11 09:47 PM

Aacider, Yes, we do have cattle present at various times, but none right now. Two winters ago I took a coyote that was feeding on a dead calf. Don't know if the calf was still born or if the coyotes got it. The guy who runs cattle on our place came to see me one moring saying there were two dead calves and two coyotes on them. I got my stuff together and went to the farm, set up overlooking the kill, and within 45 minutes killed one coyote. I never did see the other one.







DoubleUP, Yes I know about #14 and I feel your pain. I would feel the same way.

Well, we do have coyotes here, maybe more than I know. I hear from people all the time who are hearing or seeing them. As to our farm, I have taken a few there over the last few years.

Last winter I had trail camera photos of just one coyote regularly coming to the bait. That surprised me since I figured over the course of the winter that there would be more than one. I could tell by the markings on his back so knew him with each photo.

This year I have had three visit, two of which I have posted photos of just recently. They look very similar in appearance. Last week a new one arrived on the scene.

This is the latest coyote.







The problem I have is they are here today and gone tomorrow. There is no set pattern to when they come to the bait, regardless of the bait or amount of bait present. Until some sort of patterned schedule exists, I could wait forever for a one-chance opportunity that may or may not come. Eventually, hopefully it will all come together.

My desire is to get one with the night vision outfit and get it on video. That's what I'm working toward.

Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/22/11 12:25 AM

I would love to see that video! Maybe there is a whole pack of those suckers running around your place and something is spooking them? Who knows... they are skittish dogs for sure.

Does any of the "baiting" regulars ever try and call them in? My understanding is that they tend to skate the edge of their territory to keep other packs away. Maybe (6mm06) your place is in the middle of their territory. Also, I could be totally wrong lol.
Posted by: dwilson

Re: Baiting - 12/22/11 02:00 AM

Something I always did when I used to hunt over bait was take a whole deer or calf...or maybe 2 or 3 beaver carcasses (open them up so you get an optimal scent dispersal)and drag them behind my 4 wheeler. I made the drag around the property in a wide pattern ending at the bait pile. I did this once a week to freshen it up. It's kind of like trolling for fish. It does help draw in new game that may be just passing through the area and perhaps miss the bait pile....this is a heck op a post by the way...some good reading.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/22/11 11:45 AM

Aacider85, If I am fortunate enough to get a coyote on video, I will post it on YouTube with a link here. Wish me luck. I have called a few coyotes on the farm and in the local area. I've tried calling the farm and haven't taken any coyotes there within the last two or three years, yet I know they are around.

I was told that some of the local coon hunters carry a predator call at night when they are chasing raccoons, and blow on it for coyotes. I think some of the coyotes here are educated, but I'm sure not all are. Still it's tough going with calling them here locally. That's why I got more into baiting.

This past October I traveled to New Mexico and Arizona for some coyote hunting. I was amazed first at the sheer number of coyotes out there vs. here, and I was equally amazed that coyotes came to the call as often as they did. It just doesn't happen that way here. I wish it did, but it's just a different ballgame between east and west, and for various reasons.

Dwilson, that's a good idea you have there. Maybe I need to give that a try.

Here's a bit of an update to my hunting shack. I put a blanket over the window (a good suggestion by DoubleUp) that really helps keep the heat in and also cuts down on a coyote seeing movement within the cabin. I cut out a small hole for the rifle and scope to go through, offering enough visibility and also for the illuminator sitting on top of the scope to have clearance. While the cut isn't contoured to be pleasing to the eye, it is functional. I have since cut out a very small opening for the video camera lens to look out. I used a folding table and Caldwell shooting bag to rest the rifle, so the rifle is always in the "ready" position.

A few nights ago I spent the entire night at the cabin. Temps were in the mid 30's, and I stayed very warm even with the window open all night. The heater is a 10,000 BTU propane heater with thermostat and it heats the 8x12 building quite well.











The cabin is still a work in progress. I have the back wall still to insulate, and also need to put OSB over the front half of the wall that is insulated. The side walls are already completed as is the ceiling. I also hope to extend my porch a bit, something that isn't necessary for shooting coyotes, but will give me a larger area to lay back and be a true hillbilly in the summer months. I also hope to put a roof over the porch at some point in time. Man, this coyote hunting is getting expensive.
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 12/22/11 12:43 PM

Talk about "Casa de Vance". If you make it much nicer the family is going to think you're leaving them. This summer I can see a cooler and a grill on that porch. Project "pimp my bait station" is coming along very nicely, I'm jealous thumbup1.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/22/11 01:37 PM


Yea, I call it my "pouting house." Problem is, everyone wants to pout with me.

A cooler has already visited, and a grill will once the porch is extended. I did build up a fire down the hill in the "yard" back in the summer. Wife and son joined me for a hot dog roast.
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 12/22/11 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Yea, I call it my "pouting house." Problem is, everyone wants to pout with me.


Can you blame them? That is one cool man cave. My man cave is too close to the wife and I can't shoot out of the windows without going to jail shocked.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 12:58 AM

One [beeep] of a set up you have there 6mm06!

I lived in Phoenix for a brief period of time and have traveled all over the western part of the country. The number of coyotes out there is staggering. I would see them in the parks in downtown Phoenix some times. They are as common road kill over there as deer are here.

I live on 175 acres but unfortunately only about 50 of it is clear. The nice thing is that in the middle of the fields is a pretty good hill. I am going to build a "tree stand" about 25 feet tall with 360 degree view. I have the potential to have several different bait piles in some deep hollows where the wind doesn't get to very often. There will be no way for me to run power to it but I should be able to get a gas heater in there.

Spending thousands of dollars on my tree stand (wood is ex-pen-sive) may be putting the carriage before the horse considering that my varmint rifle is in pieces right now and needs to be built! laugh A gunsmith buddy of mine built a 22-250 off of a Mauser action for his girlfriend but she never shot it so he sold it to me for a steal. The problem is, she likes shiny guns so he polished that thing to a mirror shine. I have to take it to get Duracoated (I'm thinking Coyote Brown, no irony intended) and restock it. I've already got optics for it and a nice bipod. I've been thinking about a kill light for it but some of the shots I would be taking are 250 yards or more and I don't think a gun mounted light will illuminate that far.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: ARCOREY
Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Yea, I call it my "pouting house." Problem is, everyone wants to pout with me.


Can you blame them? That is one cool man cave. My man cave is too close to the wife and I can't shoot out of the windows without going to jail shocked.


I just looked at your website Corey. What rifle is that barrel in your for sale section for? Also, if you need help knocking out those Shenandoah Groundhogs give me a shout. I seem to have over killed them here and now the little buggers are gone for good.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 05:27 AM

David, this is my shooting window heat saver, foam 1" thick with a star burst cut into it, rifle set on sand bags pushed through the spider web mostly seals up the hole, one thing that I did was make a long sun shade so less of the gun and scope are protruding out of the window
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Aacider85
I just looked at your website Corey. What rifle is that barrel in your for sale section for? Also, if you need help knocking out those Shenandoah Groundhogs give me a shout. I seem to have over killed them here and now the little buggers are gone for good.


I put the barrel pictures on there to use my site instead of photobucket to host pictures. The bucket has been quirky lately. It's my Fox Ridge outfitters custom 223rem T/C Contender carbine barrel 23" matte finish. I use to use it all the time for fox and coyotes in my thumbhole carbine setup, but I bought a Baikal combo gun that shoots 12ga. and 223rem and is just about as accurate as the T/C. I'm debating whether or not to sell it to fund a 17 caliber project.

The groundhog hunting oasis I've enjoyed over the last 5 years is a bitter sweet find. I can shoot all the groundhogs, fox, and coyotes I want there on this huge farm that I have exclusive permission to. The catch is I can't take guests or hunt anything else. The landowner is very particular about his place and I've managed to stay on his good side and keep access to it in the non-deer season part of the year. I was lucky enough to convince him to let David come and video me for the Shenandoah Groundhogs video, but that was as far as he let me take it, and my access to that farm was back on probation during that time period. I'd love to find a couple more farms that size with that many targets with lesser restrictions because I have a bunch of people I'd love to take groundhog hunting. I've never even told my own brother the location of this place and he's been after me for a while now crazy It's a shame land is so hard to get.

Back to the baiting. I've got some busted deer shoulders and fat trimmings from deer season in my freezer to make me a baitcicle. I'm going to put them in a 5 gallon bucket of hot water and let the blood disperse then freeze it and dump it on a nearby farm. Hopefully I can get them on a pattern and keep them chewing on it for a while. I can't wait to put the XLR250 on the AR and sit over it.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Apke hunter
Anyone got some tips for a noob. I got bait and a bait light but it's some homemade thing that my uncle made for something else. I was wondering if I need another light to shoot. Also do you leave the bait light on all the time even when your not hunting or turn it on only when your hunting. Thanks in advance.

There are a few guys in this area that have bait piles set up behind their home with a light that comes on at night. I have a bait pile behind my home as well,71 yds from my back door. I have a Chamberlyn wireless alarm and a 250 kill light. I shot 11 coyotes last winter and did not see any evidence where the light spooked any of them at all. Good luck.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 02:14 PM

A good freind of mine just called to say he has shot 3 coyotes on his bait sence the 16th. The one he got last week tipped the scales at 48 lbs. He has a light that lights his bait all night. I had the same set up but I thought I might do better with the kill light.
Tuesday morning at 3 am my alarm went off. I did not atempt to shoot the coyote because at this time I dont have my kill light. Its still in Texas,I was there hog hunting and left it and my luggage to be sent by mail so I could bring meat back on the plane. Sence the coyote got a free meal of 3 beaver and 2 rats,I am hoping he will return and bring some freinds
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 09:35 PM


DannyK, that is one neat looking setup. You have one heck of a good idea there with that foam. Not sure if it will work with my outfit or not, since I have the night vision scope with the illuminator on top, but it might. Problem is that the scope and illuminator sets back into the cabin quite a bit and not near the window, so I would need some type of extension for them in order to make it work. I had considered earlier of some type of "sock" or something to wrap around the scope and illuminator and to keep everything in the cabin totally vision-free of any possible coyote at the bait, as well as to keep the cabin warmer. As you can see in the photo, the scope is a distance from the window. Do you have suggestions of what type of material to make a possible extension from?

I really like your idea. It's great to see what others are doing. This is indeed a fantastic post.

What type of foam did you use and where did you get it?






Aacider85,

I'm like you, I don't think the kill light will provide enough illumination for a long shot. I tried mine at 60 yards the other night to get an idea of what it is capable of. It worked ok at 60 yards, but at greater distances I don't feel confident enough to make a clean shot. Maybe it's just me and my particular light. Mine, at least in my opinion, is a darn good light for calling and shooting within reasonable ranges of less than 100 yards. It's not good for extended ranges and precise shooting.

Also, as to not having power to your tree stand, you might consider the battery pack like I use, the yellow one. Depending on what your needs are, the battery pack will power all the DC lights you would ever need, as well as pumping up an air bed and such. The one I got from Sportsman's Guide is one of the best purchases I have made in a long time. I had considered using a solar panel to power DC lights, but after getting this battery pack, I don't need a solar panel.

A propane heater is one good investment for comfort. Get one that has a thermostat and you're good to go. If your blind is not insulated, maybe get a larger heater with greater BTU. Mine is 10,000 BTU but I have considered using a higher one, maybe a 20,000 or even greater. As long as it has a thermostat, it wouldn't consume a great deal of propane. If I had it to do over, I would have got a larger unit - and may yet, depending on what type of weather comes my way. Snow and cold temps may require a more powerful heater, but being comfortable is what it's all about. I'm still in trial and error stage, and learning as I go.



Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 12/23/11 11:22 PM

6mm06,
I am a licensed electrician and I didn't even think about DC lights! Doh! I am so used to everything being AC haha.

I had thought about solar panels but their cost/power output ratio isn't good enough for me to consider them.

I was considering some motion sensor LED lights with small solar panels for the bait piles but I don't know if having the light come on every time they get near will spook the critters or not. Maybe with a red lens they would be more comfortable. As long as I have light where I am shooting I am in ok shape.

ARCOREY,
[beeep], that is a shame. But I don't blame the land owner at all. I don't let people come hunt my land ever unless I am with them. The real shame is that people are generally so untrustworthy that we can't allow some people to come utilize our land.

A buddy of mine made the mistake of letting one of his friends bring somebody on to his land and he ended up having to pick up a 6 pack of empty cans under the tree stand and now has a leaky trash can because the guy took a shot without knowing his backdrop.

I wonder if there is a way to reintroduce ground hogs to my place purely so that I can hunt them laugh hahaha
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/24/11 07:38 AM

David, I have a couple of differnt types of foam, polar foam comes to mind, its like 3 small layers sandwiched together. With the large window you are using it gets difficult, this is what I did when I was shooting out of the house with the same type of window. Take a piece of the OSB board, make it roughly the size of the open window and seal it all around with some of the weather stripping foam. Then you can put it in place and bump the sliding window up against it to hold it in place. Figure out how much of an actual opening you need for the equipment and cut your hole, I used the chunk of board that I cut out, added a couple of hinges and remounted it so it was like a small door, quiet and sealed up the hole, but I wasn't using a camera etc. so that worked for me. I hinged it on the outside so I just had to push it open when there were critters in the pile. Hope it gives you some ideas that may work for you. I made extensions for my kill light out of some old perscription bottles or out of some pvc pipe, same for my scope.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 12/24/11 03:20 PM

At 2:30 am I had a visitor at my bait. I just received my 2ed kill light from Boondocks today so we will see what happens tonight.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 12/24/11 07:37 PM

Don't shoot the reindeer! smile Merry Christmas to all!
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/24/11 08:36 PM

David here is another picture of a second shooting window out of the shack with my AR set up on sand bags.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/24/11 10:38 PM

That is really neat, DannyK. My mind has been racing lately with trying to picture what might work for my setup. The scope and illuminator pose a bit of a problem, but surely there is something that would be rigid enough to fit over them and allow for a setup like yours. That foam is great and offers a very good seal to keep heat in.

My window is 3 feet x 3 feet, but naturally only about half of it would be open. If I can come up with something to extend from the scope and illuminator through the foam, then the rest of the window would not be a problem.

Right now, as I have my setup, it's not too bad. The opening is small and even though it is open to the outside air, the heater kept things pretty comfortable. Of course, the temp was in the mid to upper 30's, so it might make a difference when the temps get down to the 20's. Sooner or later hopefully an idea will emerge.

For your rifle and scope, you have a great setup. I really appreciate you sharing that idea.

Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/25/11 10:01 PM

Merry Christmas to all my fellow "baiting buddies"! And may all your bait piles produce many furs in 2012! wink
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 12/26/11 08:04 AM

gobblergetter

I was told that Maryland DNR released some coyotes a few years ago. Is that true? I was in the Chestertown area 4-5 years and guys told me there were none there.
Posted by: iLOVEthehunt

Re: Baiting - 12/28/11 09:34 PM

Just hung my first bait station this weekend. Used a wire cage wrapped around a tree trunk with some deer meat and then smothered some of that Predator Pile stuff on it. Stunk to high heaven, but I'm looking forward to hunting over it. I can't wait until it gets cold enough here in Ohio to make a batisicle.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 12/29/11 10:49 AM

Scalloper- I heard that rumor too, but I'm not sure it is true. I wouldn't doubt it that they have tried to ( in ways) decrease the deer population across the state.
Posted by: Brian W

Re: Baiting - 12/30/11 08:16 PM

It is funny, I started reading this topic this afternoon and have continued for most of the day. What started out a topic that no one would have any interest in has lasted over a years time with many good tips and awesome information. This is what the hunting "community" is all about no matter what sex, race or age everyone here is helping each other and doing so in a friendly manner. To bad everyday life wasnt like this. Thank you !! OH yeah, headin to the local meat market for some scraps on my next day off.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/31/11 05:26 AM

Well after two evenings of sitting in the shack with fresh snowfall and tracks all around the two track roads, nothing has showed up at the bait pile. Finally sometime thursday the ravens decended on the bait pile, I watched at least 20 ravens picking their way through the bait. I have coyote pictures on the game camera close to the bait but no hits. We have a storm coming in Sunday into monday with high winds and up to 8 inches of snow or so the weather guessers say, tonight may be the night.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 12/31/11 03:26 PM


My site has been pretty dry too, DannyK. Coyotes have been hitting the bait, but with no certain pattern or time.

Shortly after midnight early morning of the 28th, the "new" coyote showed up and ate some of the bait. It hadn't been to the bait since the 24th, then suddenly showed up on the 28th. It didn't return the following night, 29th, but early morning on the 30th, near the same time, something hit the bait, but the trail cameras (neither of them) didn't get photos. The flash camera got totally black photos indicating it had been tripped and the time. The camera with infrared didn't get anything, but the batteries are weak in that one. The bait is gone, including the larger piece I had wired down, so something got it but I don't know what. The bait was still there the morning of the 29th since a hawk was captured feeding.

My trail cameras have been somewhat disappointing while at the same time a lot of joy. Sometimes they take fantastic photos, and other times they either miss the game totally or take black or pink photos. I have since placed two trail cameras on the post in order to hopefully get some idea of what is going on, but neither got the bait-stealing event. So many times it happens that one camera has captured an event when the other one didn't respond, and vice versa.

If someone would invent a trail camera that worked, 100% of the time, or even near it, for an affordable cost, they could make a fortune once reviews got out. Does anyone have a trail camera that seems to work near all the time?

Here is an example of a great photo. The camera is set for flash and does a great job - WHEN it takes photos. The black photo is from the same camera two nights later. Batteries are good - I have a large external battery pack hooked to it and it shows 100% full charge.










Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 12/31/11 05:32 PM

Well got my first today for the season but he had the mange
These eastern yotes are smart fellas he came out on the power line and the minute he hit my two day old track he ran like someone stuck a needle in his eye back in the woods.
But he made the mistake and crossed the powerline another 75yds farther away where I had not walked and left a trail.
I have seen them do this many times before when we have snow to see tracks.
They sure have a good nose.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 12/31/11 05:40 PM

Have any of u guys found a way to keep the ravens off the bait pile but not make it spookie for the coyotes.
Most of the time all my bait get devoured by the ravens before the coyotes return on their circuit which in my area can be three weeks.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 12/31/11 06:34 PM

Sat last night until 7 pm and this morning I was in the blind at 6 am, sat until 8:30, nothing but ravens. The blind was warm inside with a temp of 15 outside and the sunrise was nice.

Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 12/31/11 08:03 PM

very nice. I have head a bait out for a couple of weeks now. The coyotes are starting to hit it now and the other night i had 3 hit it at the same time. Here are acouple pics. I have had crows at my bait to and with the meatcycle the crows will pic at it but have nothing to carry off. In the pic with the three coyotes one is at the bait and the other to are back in the woods you can see where ones looking over the others back.

Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 10:11 AM


Looks pretty thick at your bait site, Predhunter, but you certainly have the yotes about. Where is your shooting position and how far? Just curious and like to see what others are doing.
Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 05:02 PM

My shooting position is to the right of the pic up a skider trail and the bait is 60 yards away. here is a pic looking down the skider trail didnt have the bait out in the pic yet.
Posted by: timmer

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 06:20 PM

Hi
This picture got e-mail to my phone about 3or 4 minutes after the picture was taken. I don't think they like to share. The bait is about a mile form my house. I will get them at some point.
great thread.


Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Scalloper- I heard that rumor too, but I'm not sure it is true. I wouldn't doubt it that they have tried to ( in ways) decrease the deer population across the state.

I will be in your neck of the woods(Chestertown) on thursday to help decrease the deer numbers too thumbup
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 07:32 PM

I have had coyotes at my bait behind my home 4 nights last week. I have been trapping and have beaver,muskrat and otter for bait. With the warm temps the coyotes run in and set off my alarm but drag off the bait before I can get them in my scope. Friday night they were in 4 different times. I have 3 more beaver to put out,this time I am staking them down. But its going to be another free meal as I will be away until sunday.
I did not have this trouble last year at all as the bait froze in a pile. But at least they are coming back.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: timmer
Hi
This picture got e-mail to my phone about 3or 4 minutes after the picture was taken. I don't think they like to share. The bait is about a mile form my house. I will get them at some point.
great thread.



Nice pictures. That must be a decent game camera as some dont work well in colder temps.
Posted by: GrizleyHunter

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 07:40 PM

Have any of u guys found a way to keep the ravens off the bait pile but not make it spookie for the coyotes.
Most of the time all my bait gets devoured by the ravens before the coyotes return on their circuit which in my area can be three weeks.


This is a repost of a question I posted a few days ago and still wondering if anyone else has this problem.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 08:40 PM

I use my WT E-caller Raven in distress. Man they dont like that. It will keep them away for almost a week. But its easy for me with my bait behind my home.The ravins around here are very skiddish and I dont know why because they are not hunted.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 08:43 PM


GrizleyHunter,

Last year I had a terrible problem with Ravens, Crows, Hawks and especially Buzzards. This year I am doing things a bit different and haven't had much of a problem at all.

I'm putting out smaller portions of bait, and putting it out in late evening. The chunks of bait I use are mainly around 2" or less, and I generally put out anywhere from 6-10 pieces at a time. I sometimes put out a larger piece such as part of a deer backbone (which still has meat on it), or half a rib cage etc.

Not sure if that has lessened the birds from coming or not, but I suspect it has because we have an abundance of all the birds mentioned.

Here's something else we have an abundance of. I can't take him legally over bait, but if I catch him out on the farm, such as when he is turning over cow patties and away from the bait, he is fair game.



Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 01/02/12 09:00 PM

The best coyote bait on 4 legs. Whack him away from the bait and haul him back to your site. Black and white Coyote dessert. Skunk must be good eating because coyotes and fox lap them up off my trap line. They never last more than a day or two smirk.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/12 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Originally Posted By: gobblergetter
Scalloper- I heard that rumor too, but I'm not sure it is true. I wouldn't doubt it that they have tried to ( in ways) decrease the deer population across the state.

I will be in your neck of the woods(Chestertown) on thursday to help decrease the deer numbers too thumbup

Hey, that sounds good. You must be catching that late shotgun season? I'm guessing white-tails, 'cause I don't recall the Sika deer being that far north on the eastern shore. I'm about 90 miles = 1.5 hrs. from Chestertown. If you see any yotes . . . .bust 'em and keep them off my shore. smile
Good Luck on the deer hunt!
Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/12 09:14 PM

wen't out last night at 530 to sit at my bait. At 555 a bunch of cons showed up and i watched them for awhile. there was a ton of them suckers they cleaned all the bait out must of been 5+.Well at 740 i catch a set of eyes move around real quick so i get ready then a few minutes later a coyote walks out broad side so i took the shot. he ran a little ways but i found him. good thing i took the shot soon there was no bait at all after them coons got done. dont no how long the coyote would of stayed around. He weighed 35lbs.

this is of the coons that were there well i was in the stand

Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/03/12 09:59 PM


Hey, nice going on the coyote. Did you use a red-lens light?

We have the same problem here with raccoons. Seems their numbers are really spreading. You may have to thin the population a bit.
Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/03/12 11:32 PM

i used a night owl night vision monocular and the red xlr 100 and 250 kill light before the coyote came in the battery died on the night vision so i had the 100 on and then went to the 250 mounted on my gun for the shot. i would take some coons out but the season ended at the end of december.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/04/12 03:13 AM

Very nice thumbup I cant get over the coons out this time of year blink. Hopfuly the warm weather will help the deer
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/04/12 08:18 AM

Excellent work there preddhunter. Since you can't shoot the coons, you may have to live trap them and move them on out of the area.
Posted by: gobblergetter

Re: Baiting - 01/04/12 12:36 PM

Nice going on that yote! thumbup1 Too bad your coon season is out thumbdown
Posted by: 6724

Re: Baiting - 01/06/12 06:40 PM

no action on the bait at my house in almost 2 weeks, that night i killed a 34# male. i put a fresh roadkill out at my friends place on wednesday about 6:PM, it was untouched at 9:am thursday, thursday at 10:pm it was almost GONE. i was there with her watching TV from 7:pm to 10:pm when i shined the light on it. so the coyotes (i assume) completely devoured a whole mule deer between 9 in the morning and probably 7 in the evening! this morning i went out and looked at it, all that was left was stomach contents, rear leg bones, rib cage, and some hide. today at 3:pm i took her a load of sawdust and what little was left this morning was completely gone!
they are not coming around at night, but going crazy during the daylight! going to put another one out tonight, maybe i can catch them tonight.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/06/12 07:49 PM

6724, you need an alarm at her house to alert you. Didn't you say you had one on the baitpile at your home? Sure seems like you have pleny of coyotes at her house.
Posted by: 6724

Re: Baiting - 01/07/12 05:05 PM

i have an alarm at my house. i moved it and the bait out another 20 yards yesterday, no activity there. stayed at her house again last night, no activity on a new roadkill until just before 5:am. with the moon i saw movement and got the light on it, the coyote was "hiding" in some brush about 150 yards out, i could see him perfectly. i squeezed the trigger and CLICK! at first i thought i had a dud round. while still watching the dog through the scope in the red light, i opened the bolt, and pushed a round home. right as i got the bolt closed, he took off. i had forgotten to put a round in the gun, i think it is my year for stupid mistakes. he was still hanging around half hour later, but he was now about 200 yards out and all i could see was his eyes with the heavy snow coming down. never saw another dog all night.
he will be back tonight, a whole adult deer for bait, fresh 2 inches of snow, no moon if the clouds stay, how could they resist?
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 01/13/12 03:52 PM

I am new to this forum and new to predator hunting. I am looking forward to doing some coyote hunting soon. Just wanted to let you guys know I have really enjoyed reading this thread.(all 56 pages). I feel I know more about baiting than I do about coyote hunting. Looks like there are a lot of really nice and knowledgable guys and gals here! Hopefully I will be able to contribute something to the forum.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/13/12 05:58 PM


Welcome Whitebeard. Glad you have joined in. Everyone has something to contribute with a variety of experiences. Looking forward to your posts as well.
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 01/13/12 06:35 PM

Thanks 6mm06! I have really enjoyed reading your post!
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/13/12 10:27 PM

Welcome Whitebeard. It truly is a learning experience for all of us. Best wishes to you.
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 01/14/12 06:43 PM

Thanks DoubleUp, I look forward to the experience!
Posted by: weaponx

Re: Baiting - 01/15/12 12:16 AM

Not much moving 'round here. Just Fox and Kittycats.Things may be looking up, with the Cold weather and Snow...waiting...


Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/15/12 06:09 AM

Been awful slow here also, storm over the last few days added some much needed snow and now the cold, put out a fresh baitsicle yesterday, will see what happens over the next few days.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/15/12 12:13 PM


I've had a coyote hitting the bait for some time now, but it doesn't come every night. Sometimes it goes two or three days, sometimes longer and then suddenly it's back. Very difficult to hunt that way. I can't sit at the cabin all the time and have to choose my days when I'm available and when the weather cooperates, which makes it even more difficult. The stinker keeps coming also, but is more regular.



Posted by: dwilson

Re: Baiting - 01/16/12 01:26 AM

If you take your 4 wheeler and drag a deer carcass around your land/acerage (make a wide loop)really really helps. It will catch the attention of any predator even if they are simply just passing through. It really works for me. I make a mile loop around my property...they usually hit my path and follow it to the pile...they might not eat on it the first time but it catches their attention and they will remember the food stash is there for the future.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 01/16/12 09:52 PM

If you were to shoot the stinker 6mm06 will he stink the whole area up? I've never shot a skunk so I'm not sure what they do.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/16/12 10:14 PM


Aacider85 - most definitely! I've never shot one that didn't. I've heard that a neck, ie spine shot will keep them from releasing the spray, not sure if that's true or not, but definitely would require some precise shooting.

As for my way of thinking, taking out skunks aids turkeys as well as other wildlife. I have also read that skunks are now the #1 carrier of rabies, surpassing the raccoon. Again, not sure that information is correct, but I did read it in a publication online.

I would like to see Virginia reclassify the skunk to a nuisance species and not a furbearer of which it is currently listed. That would allow it to be baited. I'm sure there aren't so many skunk hunters out there as to decimate the population, but would allow those of us who would like to hunt them a bit more, an opportunity to help control their numbers.
Posted by: dwilson

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 01:41 AM

Skunk essence is an attractent to predators and is used in many call lures for trapping. If a fox or coyote sees a skunk in the meadow alive...they will be all over them. They do eat them and also love to roll around iin them...much likes dogs like to roll in other smelly stuff sometimes. Shoot em and leave them if its by your bait pile. It will only help.
Posted by: ARCOREY

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 07:22 AM

I just saw two red fox harassing a small stinker last Thursday. I tried to get a shot on the reds, but between the watering eyes from the 35mph winds and 20 ambient temps, I couldn't make a good shot. I did chase down and dispatch the skunk. I rarely have any skunks left alone when I remove them from my traps. I usually find them chewed out or completely carried off by fox and coyotes. It's like candy to them for some reason. Many of the fox and coyotes I've been around here even have a sweet, musky, skunky smell. You need to catch him away from the pile and snipe him. They love the pre-dawn times here from about 4am to just before daylight. Tie a rope around his leg and drag him with your ATV back to the bait set. He won't last long there with Wiley. Have any of you guys tried trapping urines or gland at your sets? It might help if they think there is competition.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 07:45 AM

Very good info. Thanks Corey, dwilson, and 6mm.
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 02:02 PM

I have heard Beaver carcesses make extremely good coyote bait. What can you guys tell me about this? I have a friend who is having lots of Beaver problems on his farm. Thinking maybe I can help him out as well as myself! Thanks in advance for your help.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 03:19 PM


I've heard that too. Wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
Posted by: perch161

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 08:14 PM

I trapped fourteen beavers this year and they are better than a deer. At one point I had three different bait piles that I couldn't keep filled and it was all beaver and muskrat carcasses. I finally caught my first coyote in a trap on the same property as I have been baiting them. It was in a different area because you can't place a trap within 30 feet of exposed bait. Beaver is by far the best predator bait no matter what the predator a lot of guys use it for cat trapping as well.
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 01/17/12 11:48 PM

Thanks for the information Perch161.
Posted by: NCMTNBOY

Re: Baiting - 01/18/12 05:57 PM

Great thread, took 2 days to read. Coyotes are thin here in the mountains, so bait is something to look into. Thanks for the info.
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/19/12 05:52 PM

I broke down and put out some dead calves lash weekend, no visitors yet. I was going to make this a calling only year, but I love smacking them coyotes any way I can.
Posted by: dwilson

Re: Baiting - 01/20/12 02:49 AM

Beaver is a really good bait also. Canines are attracted to castor and I use it in alot of my call lures. Works good on cats and all other predators.
Posted by: greenmountainboy

Re: Baiting - 01/20/12 08:29 AM

I was wondering if anybody does a scent post to bait coyotes? If so, could you share your technique?
Posted by: bmdakk

Re: Baiting - 01/20/12 03:10 PM

about 5 years ago, the farm i hunt had a baby goat die. I took it and placed it in the woods on a 4 wheeler trail along with a camera and got these.




Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 01/21/12 12:45 AM

With that high end AR you got you should be able to take out a skunk spine 6mm06! laugh I have also heard that the skunks are huge carriers of rabies. I imagine that they will change their classification eventually. They are everywhere and starting to eat my neighbor's eggs/chicks. Once they become a big enough pain in the butt they will change it, I'm sure.

I wish I had know about this beaver bait. I have a pond that was getting destroyed by beavers and we took about 20-25 over a couple of years (Game Warden approved, with Damage Permit of course). They haven't been back in years now.

ARCOREY, 35 mph wind and 20 degree temps are no excuse! Toughen up soldier wink
Posted by: brannon74

Re: Baiting - 01/21/12 11:01 AM

I am using dog food.



Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/22/12 02:20 PM

Well after i shot the my first coyote off the bait they had not been back but we got some snow and it has been in the teens and singles and now they are back.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/22/12 03:02 PM

Yes, they do like dogfood. I thought you might like this 30 sec. video clip from back in October before I shot all my coyotes down too low. As you can see, they'll eat right out of a food bucket and aren't afraid of the flashes from an old game camera taking pictures.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/22/12 08:10 PM

I've never tried dogfood DoubleUp but have to give that a go once my meat supply dries up.

Good photo there Predhunter.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/22/12 09:18 PM

6mm06, yea I got them started on dogfood back in August when they were eating the pears right off my pear tree. Man, I had all kinds of coyotes for about 3 months. Seemed like I killed 2 or 3 a week during Oct and Nov once I got my alarm set up and working correctly.

But as you know, I got greedy and killed them all. Now I'm suffering withdrawal from no coyote shooting. Bad mistake!
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 07:01 AM

This guy was at my bait sat. morning at 4am laying down munching. didnt weigh him but could tell he was in the 40+ range easillyPhotobucket
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 07:04 AM

sorry. had some issues posting.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 07:19 AM

He was very wolfy.Photobucket
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 10:53 AM

Very nice indeed. I think many of the large coyotes up that way have some grey wolf mixed in according to some of the DNA research on them.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 12:47 PM

Double up, thats what ive heard also. they say that these dogs have come south from Canada with those genetics. Some do get quite sizable.
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 01:12 PM

Sure looks "wolfy". I read an article in National Geographic Newsletter a while back that stated evidence of "hybrid" coyotes has been found as far South as northern Virginia through use of DNA. I live about 25 miles Northeast of Raleigh, N.C. and have seen several killed in the 45 - 50 lb. range in the last 6 months. Congrats on your kill and thanks for the pics.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/23/12 03:26 PM

You bet , thanks for chiming in Whitebeard. Did'nt know they got as big that far south. Not your average run of the mill coyotes when they get this size, its easy to see why the deer pop. can take a beating.
Posted by: dwilson

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 01:14 AM

I have gotten them 70lbs and higher up home (Bombay NY). They definetly carry wolf traits...elongated snout, ect...
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 07:21 AM

I've heard of a 70lb'er winning a contest in ny somewhere but have never seen one myself. It would have to be shaped like a pig.lol
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 12:05 PM

That is one heck of a coyote, JKRuger.

If that trend continues, especially since they have been noted in northern Virginia, then it's just a matter of time until they show up here.

Coyotes that size will really put a hurting on the deer population.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 01:46 PM

I've seen evidence in the snow , on many occasions, where coyotes have chased deer through woods and field towards busy roads behind my place. I cant prove it , but i think its a purposfull effort to get them hit by a vehicle. Last winter I watched three coyotes one morning doing this.
Posted by: brannon74

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 07:03 PM

One big yote . congrats
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 09:11 PM

I have shot 4 coyotes in the last 8 days on my bait at my home. I am having trouble posting pics sence I went from dial up to high speed. I have some settings wrong.
I had foxes at the bait last winter and I see them in my yard this year but I have not had one visit the bait for some reasion.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/24/12 09:43 PM

Scalloper, sure sounds like you've got them going good. Foxes are probably afraid to show their faces around the baitpile with all those coyotes. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: TrailsEndTom

Re: Baiting - 01/25/12 01:08 AM

Jkruger Contrats on the nice yote. Thats a big boy.
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/25/12 06:50 AM

Thanks Tom.
scalloper, 4 in 8 days thats fantastic! You really have a hot spot.
I agree , fox would be afraid of that much yote activity.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/26/12 12:55 PM


Nice going Scalloper, that's a lot of coyotes in a short time. You must have a really good setup. If you don't mind, tell us how you are going about it, the equipment you are using, distance, coyote reaction to lights if any etc.

DannyK, here is the latest with regards to getting the rifle / scope out the window with using foam similar to yours. I cut out an opening after measuring for close tolerances, and still need just a bit less diameter.

I used 4" PVC pipe and a connector of PVC 3" to 4", fit like it was made to order. It worked great, now I just need to camo it, will do that next summer. I can't use the illuminator with this outfit, but the infrared lights provide all the illumination I need. As well, I plan to make a sort of shutter out of OSB that will hinge on the inside of the window, have a cut out for the foam to mount to, and that will make the seal even more air tight. For now I'm using a blanket. The shutter will allow me to open for window view when I need it, or close it for use with the foam.

The cabin is now basically sealed from the outside and vice versa. This setup not only helps keep heat in the building better and scent control too, it also cuts down on visibility that a coyote might see coming from within the building. Once completed with OSB and a better seal, I should be able to use low-level red lights maybe at floor level so I can see to get about the cabin, and not be visible to a coyote.











Man, am I a redneck or what!!??


I've often said that half the fun is in the process. Of course that hasn't helped me shoot any coyotes yet, and they seem to be as wild as a marsh hare so to speak.

The other night the alarm went off around midnight and then again shortly after 3:00 AM. I saw nothing, but it took me several seconds to get in position and turn the scope on. The alarm was very quiet so that didn't spook a coyote I don't think. I have a volume control on a headset that regulates the amount of volume emitted.

Trail cameras didn't catch any critters either, but somehow I have a feeling that a coyote passed near the bait site and set off the alarm, yet was out of trigger range of the cameras. I had a coyote do that once before, just go across the upper end of the bait and kept going without even touching the bait. It just more or less passed through.

It's anybody's guess as to what happened, or if it was a coyote at all. Any of you guys have thoughts about this or have coyotes act in similar fashion? One consideration is if the yote could smell the battery (deep cycle) operating the infrared lights, or the lights themselves. I can see the infrared, but just barely and the lights are about 15 feet up in the tree.


UPDATE: YouTube clip of night vision / infrared light setup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzfRFiTeLQY&feature=youtu.be



Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/26/12 06:34 PM

David, looks good, We have a predator challenge hunt coming up first weekend of Feb. will be out in the shack. finally had hits on the bait after a foot of new snow and two days of below zero weather, can't wait.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/26/12 07:19 PM


I wish you well DannyK. Keep us posted.
Posted by: Wallbass45

Re: Baiting - 01/26/12 08:10 PM

David your starting to Scare Me!!!!!! LOL smile
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 12:17 AM

Lol your set up just gets better and better 6mm06.

Nice wolfy coyote to the other guy! (whose name I have forgotten frown )
Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 08:45 AM

6mm that is a great set up.
thanks Aacider85
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: jkruger
Thanks Tom.
scalloper, 4 in 8 days thats fantastic! You really have a hot spot.
I agree , fox would be afraid of that much yote activity.

The fox were comming steady last Feb-Apr. I only shot 1 fox then just watched the others.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 10:14 AM

6mm-06
I cut a shooting lane threw the woods behind my home at 71 yds

Then I dumped 1 55gal barrel of animal parts from a butcher shop in the opening.

I set up a Chamberlyn wireless alarm to inform me when there is a animal at the bait


I have a XLR 250 Kill light that I bought from Boondocks and I have that mounted to my AR-5.56
The coyotes and Foxes never seem to get spooked from the light at all.
Here are some unlucky criters from last winter






[img]http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/scalloper/P2220116.jpg[/img] I shot these two 2 min apart. I saw two coyotes in the scope so I shot what I thought was the female first and droped it,then sat and waited. 2 min later the male came right in sniffing the female. I laied him to rest beside her.
[img]http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/scalloper/P4140027.jpg[/img]
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I hope this helps. Good luck.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 05:16 PM

Sat this afternoon for a while, sun was out and 40 degrees outside, counted 25 ravens on the bait pile, will have to refresh the bait tomorrow, they are pigs when it comes to free food. nice job scalloper
Posted by: songdog34

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 09:04 PM

That's a huge coyote! No wonder they call them "super coyotes" back east. Nice!
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/27/12 11:33 PM


Hey Jeff, don't be scared. We rednecks are really harmless. However, I do recognize that my PVC pipe, ie sewer pipe, does somewhat resemble a gernade launcher.

Scalloper, great photos and setup. Even though the distance is relatively close to your home, it seems to pay off rather well. My site is 60 yards from the cabin, but seems the coyotes are very nervous, and they don't always come to the bait every night, making it really hard to be there at the right time.

DannyK, you have a really good looking place to hunt. It looks pretty remote there. Do you have a finished photo of your shooting cabin? I know you posted one earlier but just curious if you have a new one, especially in the snow. I'd like to see it again just to keep things up-to-date.

You know, when this thread first got started, some elites probably thought there was very little interest in baiting, and probably looked down on those of us who hunt that way. Maybe this forum has helped some get down off their high horse and recognize that one size doesn't fit all. In the East we may have to do things a bit different in order to be successful. Even baiting is not as easy as it seems. I haven't taken a single coyote from my bait site though I have devoted a lot of effort to it.

My trip out West this past October had me shaking my head in disbelief at the sheer amount of coyotes, and the ones that seemed to come to the call so easy as if lambs to slaughter. Those of us who live and hunt in the East recognize that things here are just different. I wish I could hunt coyotes as easy as in the West, but that's just dreaming.

I am really enjoying this thread, meeting you guys and seeing how you do things. I've borrowed a lot of techniques and ideas from you guys too, even if you did turn me into a blazing redneck. It's been a lot of fun.

Here are photos of one of the elusives, doing what he does best - working the bait over and avoiding me. In the one photo he is growling at something, not sure what. I first thought he may have been chewing on some bait, but when viewing the full-size photo it is clear he is growling.








Posted by: jkruger

Re: Baiting - 01/28/12 06:45 AM

very nice pics 6mm , thanks for sharing your expiriences with us. Calling is different, and difficult here in the east for many reasons, which has steered me toward alternative methods.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/28/12 06:46 AM

David, a couple of pictures of the blind, one right after a storm, the other one was taken yesterday.


Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/28/12 01:25 PM


That is sweet, DannyK. Great blind, good visibility and just down-right comfortable looking. I love that woodsey look. Nice photo too, blue sky and all. Just curious, what are the dimensions of it?

You certainly have some snow up your way. This is one of the mildest winters I can recall here. We have had so much rain and wind that it's been difficult to find a good time to hunt, as well as the coyotes not hitting the bait when I do have an opportunity.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/28/12 03:19 PM

David, the blind is 8 X 8 and 7' high tapering to 6'6". Were at least 24 inches below the long term average for snowfall so far this winter.
Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/28/12 04:30 PM

I wish we had a little more snow up here we only have like 3in and last year at this time we had around 2 feet.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 09:52 AM

Taken this morning, good sign for the hunt when it starts, the atv trail is used like a hiway by the yotes.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 03:32 PM


Great photos DannyK. Beautiful country too.

Looks like you have a wood burner in your cabin. Any photos of it? Did you run the pipe through the top or out the side wall? I see the pipe sticking up from it in the photo.

I have considered putting a small stove in mine. My building is an 8x12 and it wouldn't take much of a heater. Anxious to see how you did yours.

What kind of red lights do you have?

How high up is the floor from ground level?

I'm full of questions, but just goes to show that I love your hunting cabin.

David
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 04:42 PM

David, the pipe goes straight up from the stove through the roof, there is no insulation in the shack but the floor is carpeted for noise, at some time we may insulate, but the stove keeps the place comfortable, takes about 45 minutes to get it into the mid 60's from around zero. The lights are primos scope mount lights that use the small 6 volt belt pack, the kill light I have on my 17 is much better at the distance to the bait pile. Wish we could use center fire for night time but we are limited to rimfire or shotguns with no buckshot or slugs. The floor is about eight to ten feet from the ground
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 05:49 PM


That is a neat stove. Is that a home-made one?

Too bad about not being able to use centerfires after dark.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 07:14 PM

David, yes the stove is home made, The son in law of the owner has made a few of them for differnt blinds.
Posted by: rt2bowhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 08:39 PM

Very interesting tread guys. I thought i would give it a try. I froze some deer meat mixed with a little dog food in a 5gal bucket.Then put it out Friday. I also put a black flash camera watching it. The first night something fox or yote not sure which came by. So i put a black flash extender on the camera. If it comes back it should light it up better. I placed my bait 150yds from my box blind. I have time after work to hunt it just before dark. I called before i put out the bait had them howling but a no show. I have seen them deer hunting and hear them from time to time. So there around some where. I only have 60 acres behind the house. So they wont stand much calling.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 09:07 PM


Rt2bowhunter,

You may find that they hit the bait at night and thereby make it more difficult to hunt, especially if you have to work the next day.

Post some photos of your box blind and area if you like. We all enjoy photos.

Good luck with your setup. Keep us posted.
Posted by: rt2bowhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 10:04 PM

Thanks 6mm06, I don't have any pics of my blind its not much.But it keeps me dry and warm. Next time i check my camera i will take a photo. Here is my yote getter. Its a 204AI with a Lilja barrel.I had the light on for a Ohio hunt.
Posted by: dubllung4

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 10:49 PM

Does anyone have experience using one of the red XLR lights over bait? The yotes have been hitting my bait steadily in the middle of the night but wont show during the day. Some nights visibility is too low to make a good shot. I was wondering how spooky the yotes get when the light hits them? My blind is just 40 yards from the bait pile because we are limited to shotguns or rimfire after dark. I have gotten lots of trail cam pics and vids and would love to put a few down.
Posted by: preddhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/29/12 11:06 PM

I have my bait set up 60 yards in front of my stand and when i shot my first coyote from it the light did not bother it at all. I was using a xlr 250 red.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 01/30/12 08:47 AM

I have watched many fox and coyotes with my red XLR 250 kill light and I have not seen any evidence where it spooked them at all. Maybe the XLR 100 would be a better option for you as your not far from your bait. Good luck.
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 01/30/12 08:58 AM

dubllung4, I've had a few get spooky when the kill light hit them. My close bait pile is 90 yds away from my house. For the most part they either stay still long enough for a shot or settle back down after a few seconds. Usually before that few seconds they are already dead anyway. I have however missed a couple of opportunities because they spooked, and I never got another opportunity on them.

Really it comes down to {do I hit them with the xlr with the crosshairs right on them and take the shot instantly}, or {do I hit them with the lower edge of the halo and then bring it down slowly on them to the brightest beam}. Mostly I've used the put the light right on them when I turn it on and be ready to shoot. One time I forgot to click the safety off and the coyote spooked off but came back and I just kept following him with the light until he moved back where I could shoot. I have killed a couple as far as 150yds with the xlr 250. I do run a flood/spotlight on my baitpile that allows me to see them with binoculars. Of course I have the advanatage of having household current to power it. If you have AC current they are also available in red and amber, but I never saw that it kept the coyotes from coming to the bait so I never tried the red or amber spot/flood. The light is about 30 yds from the close baitpile and 80 yds from the long pile. I hope this will help you a little on getting set up. I do have alarms on both baitpiles that let me know when something is there as well as trailcams on each pile.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 01/30/12 10:07 AM


Rt2bowhunter, nice looking rifle. We all wish you well with putting it to good use at the bait site. Looking forward to hearing about your results.

David
Posted by: dubllung4

Re: Baiting - 01/30/12 03:54 PM

Wow thanks for the quick feedback. I will try to post a few videos.
Posted by: Aacider85

Re: Baiting - 01/30/12 11:55 PM

Good looking rifle bud. Mine looked kind of like that but I got it Duracoated. We want to see pics of your dead yotes soon wink
Posted by: rt2bowhunter

Re: Baiting - 01/31/12 10:23 AM

Thanks,I checked my camera today. Coons and a opossum. At least something is hitting it. The coons are coming in just before dark. And off and on the rest of the night. Up until day break. Its coon season too wink
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/01/12 10:51 PM

Last night around 7pm, my son missed a coyote at the bait,then at 5:30am the beeper went off and when he lit it up there were 3 there but they would not offer a shot. At 3pm today he shot a bobcat on the bait,when he went to get it there was another there but it ran off. Thats a quite afew critters in 24 hrs.
Two days ago I sat up two bait stations on the lake my camp is on.A 55 gal drum of beef parts at each site. I rode my snowmobile down at daylight this morning and one of the bait sites had a ton of tracks on it and about 1/3 of the bait was gone. The baits are about 1 mile apart and I have a icefishing shack 50-70 yds from each bait. I will hunt there in the next few days. I will try to get my settings on this computer fixed so I can post some pics.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/02/12 03:05 AM

Bang flop...The 53gr .223 Superformance met its mark again on yet another coyote. Thats 5 coyotes and 1 cat, thumbup so far we have seen at this bait in 24 hrs.
The beeper went off at 2:10am my wife woke me. Then the coyote triped the beeper 6 more times but would not offer me with a good shot. cursing Then at 2:55 the big male stood 2 sec to long lol
Posted by: DoubleUp

Re: Baiting - 02/02/12 08:23 AM

Good going Scalloper. Man, get that computer right, we need pics, lots of pics. You sure have them in the groove up there now. That's the way I had it last fall. Unfortunately I killed them all. smile
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/02/12 09:38 AM

I have pics. I need a computer guru to help me get my settings right. I had outlook express that I used with dial-up and now that I have high speed and yahoo e-mail. So when I try to send the photos to Photo bucket it tries to send them threw outlook express???
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/02/12 01:54 PM


No wonder I can't kill any coyotes - you and DoubleUp have lured them all to your sites.

That's great stuff there Scalloper. Hope you get things straightened out so we can see some good photos.
Posted by: Scalloper

Re: Baiting - 02/03/12 01:18 PM

I was at camp yesterday at 3pm and I looked at one of my baits with binos and watched a coyote feed. This morning I went to the ice shack overlooking the bait at 6:30am. At 8:30 a coyote came out of the woods and ran to the bait then kept right going. I tried to stop it but it kept running right away.I let it get about 220 yds and fired,bang-flop,in the back of the head and exit above the eye. Another 30+ lb female.
Posted by: 6mm06

Re: Baiting - 02/03/12 02:01 PM


Nice going on the coyote and good shot.

Earlier this season a coyote passed through the bait area and kept on going, didn't stop even though there was meat scraps.

Stayed at the cabin all night last night, only a possum visited.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/03/12 07:52 PM

I spent most of the evening yesterday, and again this morning in the blind, nothing coming to the bait, waited until 8 this morning and used the foxpro with a female invitation, coyotes on both sides of the blind were going crazy, but none offered a shot. Went calling this afternoon, wet sticky snow on the backwaters where we were snowshoeing and lots of water on top of the ice, I'm pooped, back is sore, (ice pack now)hips and knees feel it also. This coyote game is tough. Called one in the backwaters but no shot for my partner, coyote was like a ghost in the balsam trees on the bank.
Posted by: dannyk

Re: Baiting - 02/05/12 04:30 PM

The weekend local predator hunt, found things a little slow due in most part to the weather. Talking to some of the people that participated Thursday night and Friday produced the best results. After that the coyotes just shut down. I saw that myself as I spent fifteen hours in the blind on
Friday night into Saturday and saw only ravens, one rabbit, and a few red squirrels. This is from the first few contestants, first two person team brought in six coyotes I couldn't stay for the final tally due to a back problem from snowshoeing the other day, back was giving me fits so I had to return home to ice it up again.
Posted by: junglekat

Re: Baiting - 02/05/12 10:14 PM

Great pics and stories guys
Posted by: Whitebeard

Re: Baiting - 02/06/12 10:26 AM

Looks like a really good time, wish I could have been there! Whats all that white stuff on the ground? lol Would be interesting to know what the final tally was. Thanks for posting. thumbup
Posted by: Sami

Re: Baiting - 02/06/12 12:29 PM

I am picking up another bucket of brisket fat from one my wife's employers BBQ restaurants. I freeze it before placing on the baited area like I think most baiters do. Still won't last long, especially now that the Texas weather is getting warmer and it melts fast.

I'm no masterbaiter but I personally find it more effective than calling. Also during the day it is effective way to shoot crows and hawks. For Hawks I only use a camera... laugh
Posted by: dwilson

Re: Baiting - 02/08/12 02:15 AM

Sami......good to know your not a masterbaiter lol.